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It's a great story (i see movie potential), but there are a few questions that arise after reading the link:
1. How did the Prefessor translate the stones? It took the Rossetta Stone to help crack it in Egypt. So what did he use as a basis for cracking this code?
2. Were these stones produced on Earth? It would seem strange for an advanced race of beings from another planet, who flew here in a Spaceship, to be working with stone, unless they were working with the only materials to hand on Earth.
3. How come no other artifacts were found - tools, weapons....a Spaceship?
Still my imagination has been fired up though!!
1. How did the Prefessor translate the stones? It took the Rossetta Stone to help crack it in Egypt. So what did he use as a basis for cracking this code?
2. Were these stones produced on Earth? It would seem strange for an advanced race of beings from another planet, who flew here in a Spaceship, to be working with stone, unless they were working with the only materials to hand on Earth.
3. How come no other artifacts were found - tools, weapons....a Spaceship?
Still my imagination has been fired up though!!
Unfortunately, the story was fabricated by Erik Von Daniken, you can read all the details about it in THIS thread.
HERE'S a link to the website which debunks the myth and exposes Von Daniken's duplicity in creating nothing out of whole cloth. Just another example of just how devious and deceitful Von Daniken could be.
Magikman
HERE'S a link to the website which debunks the myth and exposes Von Daniken's duplicity in creating nothing out of whole cloth. Just another example of just how devious and deceitful Von Daniken could be.
Magikman
I have looked high and low for images of the Dropa but only found one. How in the world could there be only one picture of these people? Does anyone know of any links featuring images of the people?
Thanks
Thanks
This is the only pic I could find:
Here are a handfull of links on the subject as well... As easy as a google search can be
The Dropas
Dropas Crash: 10,000 BC.
More Dropas
People actually believe them to be aliens or descendants of aliens... Now I don't disagree that governments have a bad habit of concealing information, but this is a hard pill to swallow!
Here are a handfull of links on the subject as well... As easy as a google search can be
The Dropas
Dropas Crash: 10,000 BC.
More Dropas
People actually believe them to be aliens or descendants of aliens... Now I don't disagree that governments have a bad habit of concealing information, but this is a hard pill to swallow!
Thanks magikman for clearing it up for me . When I was reading it I ws wondering why i had not heard of something like this before ... 
I`m wondering if anybody else out there is interested in this topic as I am.
It`s as if Scientist and archaeologist want to forget about the 716 Stone disks
and the skeletons found in caves.
If this is all new to you, let me explain it for you.
In 1938 off the mountains of BayanKara-Ula,which is on the borders of China and Tibet. Archaeologist were out there surveying interlocked caves. When they
discovered neatly arranged graves. At first they thought it was Apes, but what
kind of Ape buries there own kind. It was when they dicovered the skeletons
inside the graves, that they knew they were human.The skeletons had small bodies and large heads. And it was in these caves that the 716 Stone Disks were
found.
The unique things about the Stones was that they had a hole in the center
and a fine spiral groove of closely written Characters(Hieroglyphs). It took 20
years till the stones could be read, and the true secrets that lie in them could be
reveiled.
This where the story takes a twist, and Rises questions that Archaeologist have a hard time answering.
Dr. Tsum Un Nui was the one who broke the code and said it told the story of a
Space Probe.The Academy of Pre-History thought it was so rediculace, that they forbaded him to publish his findings. That space probe the disks were talking about, were beings from another planet who called them selfs the Dropas.They happen to crash land on the mountain of Baya-Kara-Ula.
And were hunted and killed by the Han Tribe, who settled in nearby caves. The legend of that area also speaks of Small yellowish
faced men who desended from the clouds a long time ago.They were said to be
ugly with big heads and small bodies. This description is similar to the skeletons
found in the caves. Also found on the cave wall were pictures of the rising sun,
moon, unidentifiable stars and the Earth. All joined together by lines of small
pea size dotes.These pictures date back to about 12,000 years ago. Even till this
very day the people there call them selfs the Dropas and the Han Tribe. Antropologist can`t classify them as Chinese nor Tibetan. Because they have a
figure and appearance of there own. The average hieght of the Dropas is about 4
feet tall, I believe there is about 120 of them left today.
Could it be that easy to get the true answer of other life out there?
Is it that easy to find on our planet, what we have been looking for so far away?
And why does it seem as research on these findings, just stopped?
Were the Stone Disks translated the wrong way, or is that just the true meaning?
It`s as if Scientist and archaeologist want to forget about the 716 Stone disks
and the skeletons found in caves.
If this is all new to you, let me explain it for you.
In 1938 off the mountains of BayanKara-Ula,which is on the borders of China and Tibet. Archaeologist were out there surveying interlocked caves. When they
discovered neatly arranged graves. At first they thought it was Apes, but what
kind of Ape buries there own kind. It was when they dicovered the skeletons
inside the graves, that they knew they were human.The skeletons had small bodies and large heads. And it was in these caves that the 716 Stone Disks were
found.
The unique things about the Stones was that they had a hole in the center
and a fine spiral groove of closely written Characters(Hieroglyphs). It took 20
years till the stones could be read, and the true secrets that lie in them could be
reveiled.
This where the story takes a twist, and Rises questions that Archaeologist have a hard time answering.
Dr. Tsum Un Nui was the one who broke the code and said it told the story of a
Space Probe.The Academy of Pre-History thought it was so rediculace, that they forbaded him to publish his findings. That space probe the disks were talking about, were beings from another planet who called them selfs the Dropas.They happen to crash land on the mountain of Baya-Kara-Ula.
And were hunted and killed by the Han Tribe, who settled in nearby caves. The legend of that area also speaks of Small yellowish
faced men who desended from the clouds a long time ago.They were said to be
ugly with big heads and small bodies. This description is similar to the skeletons
found in the caves. Also found on the cave wall were pictures of the rising sun,
moon, unidentifiable stars and the Earth. All joined together by lines of small
pea size dotes.These pictures date back to about 12,000 years ago. Even till this
very day the people there call them selfs the Dropas and the Han Tribe. Antropologist can`t classify them as Chinese nor Tibetan. Because they have a
figure and appearance of there own. The average hieght of the Dropas is about 4
feet tall, I believe there is about 120 of them left today.
Could it be that easy to get the true answer of other life out there?
Is it that easy to find on our planet, what we have been looking for so far away?
And why does it seem as research on these findings, just stopped?
Were the Stone Disks translated the wrong way, or is that just the true meaning?
QUOTE
Believe it or not the findings of 716 Stone Disks are true, the caves are real and the skeletons were found. The pictures in the cave are there and have been dated,
Including the writting on the stones.
Including the writting on the stones.
i was just reading about this a few weeks ago, it is very interesting. Does anyone know anymore about this topic b/c i really dont
AWESOME 
yes...more information would be nice. pictures too if thats not to much to ask
yes...more information would be nice. pictures too if thats not to much to ask
Hey Guys, Yeah im pretty fimiliar with the Dropa Stones, My messanger information if listed if u guys wanna PM me, i can tell u more about them... lol Blueprints haha... u took that info off the website on yahoo on dropa stones lol.. that looked fimiliar haha.. just mark it as a source next time.. or mark ur source.. but yeah its way interesting.. and here are some pictures for u guys... got them from yahoo images
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i found some more info on the dropa stones link
Have you even noticed that one these really extreme claims there is never anyway to check them out? All we get is "Well, the Chinese won't let this information be published", or the Russian say such and such. Never any factual info and never a word from the regular scientists....if the man has published and they didn't agree, surely someone would publish a rebuttal! I'll reserve any opinions or speculation until then. Incidentally, the hieroglyphics weren't Chinese (they were unknown and the scientists were Chinese), how did the guy break the code, they have been working Linear A and Basque for a long time and never broke them. 
That sounds like an awesome story but I wouldn't know what to believe. How much proof is there of this story? Where did the stone go after? And was it man made - made from earth? Fill me in...(if anyone has any other accesory information)
Dr. Tsum Um Nui felt the smooth face of the disk with the palm of his hand. "What could this disk possibly be?" he wondered. He knew of its recent history; how it was discovered in 1938 by a Chinese archaeologist in a cave high in the Himalayans, along with 715 similar disks; how buried nearby were skeletons of a strange tribe of people averaging only a little over four feet high; how it was found that each disk was inscribed with a tiny groove that spiraled around its face, and that the groove turned out to be an unknown hieroglyphic. He also knew how the disks, as remarkable as they were, had been simply labeled along with other finds of the expedition and stored away at Beijing University for 20 years. During that time, others had attempted to decipher the strange inscriptions, but without success. Perhaps now, in 1962, he could.
The professor painstakingly transcribed the characters from the disk to paper. The writing was so small he had to use a magnifying glass to see it clearly. But the stones were old - perhaps 12,000 years old, it was estimated - and much of the hieroglyphics were difficult to make out or had been worn away by time and the elements. As he worked, many questions nagged the professor. How did these primitive people fashion these precise stones? How did they manage the almost microscopic writing? Who were they and what was the purpose of these hundreds of stones? Once the characters were transcribed, Dr. Tsum Um Nui began the arduous task of trying to decode its message. Eventually, he began to make progress. A word emerged. Then another. A phrase became understandable, then an entire sentence. He had broken the code. He discerned that the messages on the stones were written by a people who called themselves the Dropa. But what they were saying to him 12,000 years later made no sense. What the Dropa had written must have been one of their cultural myths, or was part of some prehistoric religious ceremony.
Or was it? When he had completed the translation as much as he could, the professor sat back in his chair in disbelief. The story the Dropa related was nothing short of astounding. How would his colleagues react? How might the world react if this story was true? The professor wrote up a paper on his findings and presented it to the university for publication. Their reaction was swift and emphatic: the paper would not be published. The Academy of Prehistory expressly forbade him to publish or even speak of his findings. The world, the academy decided, should not know about the Dropa and their fateful journey to Earth.
Dr. Tsum Um Nui's findings were eventually published, however. Just two years later, he published the paper entitled, "The Grooved Script Concerning Spaceships Which, as Recorded on the Discs, Landed on Earth 12,000 Years Ago." By some accounts, the academy relented and gave permission to the professor to publish the paper, and by other accounts he published it despite the official ban. In either case, his translation and his theory were met with ridicule by the archaeology establishment. The translation was just too shattering to be taken at face value or as an historical account. It just could not be true. It would change everything we know about our history and humankind's place in the universe.
What the Stones Reveal
The Dropa disks tell the story of a space probe from a distant planet that crash-landed in the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of the Himalayas. The occupants of the spacecraft - the Dropa - found refuge in the caves of the mountains. Despite their peaceful intentions, the Dropa were misunderstood by members of the Ham tribe who were occupying neighboring caves and who hunted down the aliens and even killed some of them. A translation of one of the passages says: "The Dropa came down from the clouds in their aircraft. Our men, women, and children hid in the caves ten times before sunrise. When at last they understood the sign language of the Dropa, they realized that the newcomers had peaceful intentions...."
The stones go on to say how the Dropa were unable to repair their disabled spacecraft and could not return to their home planet, and so were stranded on Earth. If that's true, have their descendents survived?
Today, the isolated area is inhabited by two tribes of people who, in fact, call themselves the Dropa and the Han. Anthropologists have been unable to categorize either tribe into any other known race; they are neither Chinese nor Tibetan. Both tribes are of pygmy stature, adults measuring between 3-foot-6 and 4-foot-7 with an average height of 4-foot-2, and body weights of 38 to 52 pounds. They are yellow-skinned with thin bodies and disproportionately large heads, corresponding to the skeletal remains found in the caves in 1938. They have sparse hair on their bodies and have large eyes that are not Asian in aspect, but have pale blue irises.
Supposedly, there also is an ancient Chinese tale that might bear-out the Dropa's claims. The tale relates the story of a small, slender, yellow-skinned people who descended to the Earth from the clouds, and who were shunned by everyone because of their ugliness.
Strange Properties
In 1968, the Dropa stones came to the attention of W. Saitsew, a Russian scientist who re-published the findings of Tsum Um Nui and conducted tests on the disks that revealed some very peculiar properties. Physically, the granite stones contained high concentrations of cobalt and other metals - a very hard stone indeed that would have made it difficult for the primitive people to carve the lettering, especially with such minute characters. When testing a disk with an oscillograph, a surprising oscillation rhythm was recorded as if, the scientists said, they had once been electrically charged or had functioned as electrical conductors.
Whatever their true nature, origin, or meaning, the Dropa stones present an intriguing puzzle for archaeologists and anthropologists. Were the Dropa truly visitors from some distant planet, or is their story merely a creation myth imagined by a primitive culture? If the latter is true, it adds one more such "myth" to the large number of stories from ancient cultures that claim their descendents came to Earth from the heavens. And if the former is true, the Dropa stones could represent the first recorded visit of an alien civilization to our planet. For now, the Dropa stones remain unexplained
so, do you have your own theories about the Dropa stones or, better yet, do you have any further information or details about them? post ur comments here.
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa060898.htm
The professor painstakingly transcribed the characters from the disk to paper. The writing was so small he had to use a magnifying glass to see it clearly. But the stones were old - perhaps 12,000 years old, it was estimated - and much of the hieroglyphics were difficult to make out or had been worn away by time and the elements. As he worked, many questions nagged the professor. How did these primitive people fashion these precise stones? How did they manage the almost microscopic writing? Who were they and what was the purpose of these hundreds of stones? Once the characters were transcribed, Dr. Tsum Um Nui began the arduous task of trying to decode its message. Eventually, he began to make progress. A word emerged. Then another. A phrase became understandable, then an entire sentence. He had broken the code. He discerned that the messages on the stones were written by a people who called themselves the Dropa. But what they were saying to him 12,000 years later made no sense. What the Dropa had written must have been one of their cultural myths, or was part of some prehistoric religious ceremony.
Or was it? When he had completed the translation as much as he could, the professor sat back in his chair in disbelief. The story the Dropa related was nothing short of astounding. How would his colleagues react? How might the world react if this story was true? The professor wrote up a paper on his findings and presented it to the university for publication. Their reaction was swift and emphatic: the paper would not be published. The Academy of Prehistory expressly forbade him to publish or even speak of his findings. The world, the academy decided, should not know about the Dropa and their fateful journey to Earth.
Dr. Tsum Um Nui's findings were eventually published, however. Just two years later, he published the paper entitled, "The Grooved Script Concerning Spaceships Which, as Recorded on the Discs, Landed on Earth 12,000 Years Ago." By some accounts, the academy relented and gave permission to the professor to publish the paper, and by other accounts he published it despite the official ban. In either case, his translation and his theory were met with ridicule by the archaeology establishment. The translation was just too shattering to be taken at face value or as an historical account. It just could not be true. It would change everything we know about our history and humankind's place in the universe.
What the Stones Reveal
The Dropa disks tell the story of a space probe from a distant planet that crash-landed in the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of the Himalayas. The occupants of the spacecraft - the Dropa - found refuge in the caves of the mountains. Despite their peaceful intentions, the Dropa were misunderstood by members of the Ham tribe who were occupying neighboring caves and who hunted down the aliens and even killed some of them. A translation of one of the passages says: "The Dropa came down from the clouds in their aircraft. Our men, women, and children hid in the caves ten times before sunrise. When at last they understood the sign language of the Dropa, they realized that the newcomers had peaceful intentions...."
The stones go on to say how the Dropa were unable to repair their disabled spacecraft and could not return to their home planet, and so were stranded on Earth. If that's true, have their descendents survived?
Today, the isolated area is inhabited by two tribes of people who, in fact, call themselves the Dropa and the Han. Anthropologists have been unable to categorize either tribe into any other known race; they are neither Chinese nor Tibetan. Both tribes are of pygmy stature, adults measuring between 3-foot-6 and 4-foot-7 with an average height of 4-foot-2, and body weights of 38 to 52 pounds. They are yellow-skinned with thin bodies and disproportionately large heads, corresponding to the skeletal remains found in the caves in 1938. They have sparse hair on their bodies and have large eyes that are not Asian in aspect, but have pale blue irises.
Supposedly, there also is an ancient Chinese tale that might bear-out the Dropa's claims. The tale relates the story of a small, slender, yellow-skinned people who descended to the Earth from the clouds, and who were shunned by everyone because of their ugliness.
Strange Properties
In 1968, the Dropa stones came to the attention of W. Saitsew, a Russian scientist who re-published the findings of Tsum Um Nui and conducted tests on the disks that revealed some very peculiar properties. Physically, the granite stones contained high concentrations of cobalt and other metals - a very hard stone indeed that would have made it difficult for the primitive people to carve the lettering, especially with such minute characters. When testing a disk with an oscillograph, a surprising oscillation rhythm was recorded as if, the scientists said, they had once been electrically charged or had functioned as electrical conductors.
Whatever their true nature, origin, or meaning, the Dropa stones present an intriguing puzzle for archaeologists and anthropologists. Were the Dropa truly visitors from some distant planet, or is their story merely a creation myth imagined by a primitive culture? If the latter is true, it adds one more such "myth" to the large number of stories from ancient cultures that claim their descendents came to Earth from the heavens. And if the former is true, the Dropa stones could represent the first recorded visit of an alien civilization to our planet. For now, the Dropa stones remain unexplained
so, do you have your own theories about the Dropa stones or, better yet, do you have any further information or details about them? post ur comments here.
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa060898.htm
Wow! Thats all true? Where was the story published? Sorry if im a bit skeptical.. i would just like to read over the pronted story myself.
Awesome reading though. thanks.
It would be a truly amazing discovery if its all authentic and the translations are correct.
Awesome reading though. thanks.
It would be a truly amazing discovery if its all authentic and the translations are correct.
maybe take one thier DNA to see if thier human? have they tried that yet or what lol
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ Apr 25 2005, 11:41 AM)
maybe take one thier DNA to see if thier human? have they tried that yet or what lol
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Oh! good idea!
Read the whole thread, guys. This story has been debunked. Eric Von Daniken made the whole thing up.
QUOTE(Elfstone810 @ Apr 25 2005, 07:46 PM)
Read the whole thread, guys. This story has been debunked. Eric Von Daniken made the whole thing up.
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Boy, if y'all hadn't posted the liks to the debunking(?) story, I'd be scared stiff...Aliens amoung us, etc.
*turns to see E.T. on the T.V.*
*pause*
*Twilight Zone Theme Plays*
Saddest story I ever heard 
Drosnin's bible codes book has a bit about a space ship that was forced down and is supposedly at the bottom of the Dead Sea. It's nice to go travelling but it's much nicer to come home!!!
Drosnin's bible codes book has a bit about a space ship that was forced down and is supposedly at the bottom of the Dead Sea. It's nice to go travelling but it's much nicer to come home!!!
QUOTE(jjtss @ Apr 26 2005, 04:46 AM)
Saddest story I ever heard Drosnin's bible codes book has a bit about a space ship that was forced down and is supposedly at the bottom of the Dead Sea. It's nice to go travelling but it's much nicer to come home!!!
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hehehe
finally
Something else to consider, 20th century technologycan produce plastics and artificial materials that will last for thousands of years. Dropa people travelling from planet to planet are obviously more advanced than us. So it stands to reason that the tools they used to make the stones and their spaceship ect should still be around. Any material that withstands the depths of space and crash lands on earth leaving survivors should be able to survive 12000 years buried in the earth, but no one has found it. Why not? Most likely because it doesn't exist.
QUOTE(Rye Guy @ Apr 27 2005, 06:29 AM)
Something else to consider, 20th century technologycan produce plastics and artificial materials that will last for thousands of years. Dropa people travelling from planet to planet are obviously more advanced than us. So it stands to reason that the tools they used to make the stones and their spaceship ect should still be around. Any material that withstands the depths of space and crash lands on earth leaving survivors should be able to survive 12000 years buried in the earth, but no one has found it. Why not? Most likely because it doesn't exist.
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just for a minute there i thought you were going to say it did exist
phew
Hi All,
Been reading this thread with some interest for a while now and there are a few things which don't seem to fit on either side of the debate (skeptic of believer).
I have read the material which reportedly "debunks" the Dropa stones and I have to say its less than convincing in any academically rigorous way. The absence of proof is not proof of absence. The About.com article only seems to establish that the origins of the story are based on a discontinuous record of interviews, possible fiction, hearsay and conjecture. I don't disagree with the author - whilst this may call into question the validity of the author and means of transmission it does not automatically dismiss the story. What I see there is a cognitive bias to remove or explain away information that does not seem to fit a neat pattern. Lots of material is like that - truths get distorted in the telling but that does not mean there is not some validity to the original tale.
Von Daniken probably was a glory hound and his involvement in the dropa story is regrettable since it just seems to predispose people to thinking it was all just a fabrication (probably to aid the selling of books etc).
I could use the same logic on the "enlightening" violations website which the about.com article cites - the link no longer works - therefore it must have been made up! Of course this logic is irrational.
If the original story was released in China and such a story would certainly disturb Beijing then you can count on the fact that the story would have been suppressed or ridiculed. It happens to even the most benign of articles today. And little wonder that the stones just vanished! Less trouble for the university from its political masters if such things were simply forgotten.
How did the chinese academic translate the stones - one plausible explanation is that the Dropa and Han intermingled and so to did their languages. So the academic had some language basis (proto-chinese) to decipher the code. Unlike Linear A which has no inter-mingled languages to help aid its translation.
So does all this mean I belive the Dropa story - its compelling and I do so want to believe - but yet I can not find enough evidence to fully support the Dropa claims.
Firstly it does not surprise me that there a few pictures of the inhabitants of that part of the world (and only one of the Dropas) since the Chinese were very sensitive about that region - Tibet to this day is a near no-go zone for many foreigners. But the picture itself - which the about.com article insists is genuine - does not show anything unusual - they look Tibetan there are no disproportionatly large heads - no real features which suggest alien origin. The look like footage I have seen of Tibetan mountain tribes ie small - pale but rugged. So I am inclined to dismiss the photo as one of a Dropa hybrid.
Secondly the stones themselves are of interest - there are many similar stones floating around China (my wife is a chinese scholar just in case you were wondering how I know all this) and they are indeed throughout to represent some form of serpent worship. Are these the same as the Dropa stones - no idea. For all I know there were substituted ages ago - which may explain why there is a size discrepancy in some the accounts against the pictures. Then again where would 700+ disks go - surely some of them must be around. If they exist (or even the paper transcription) then it should be found and made available for examination.
What of the myth of the strange sky people - it may interest you all to know that there quite a number of stories like that from around the same region. Sickly coloured creatures who came from the sky and were reviled and killed by locals. Is there any truth - well maybe - perhaps some other incident is the real Dropa story just twisted with time. Seems hardly likely that any human would mate with such odd creatures they did not like. Seems far more reasonable that like many humans the locals just hunted down and destroyed that which they didn't like.
These myths I believe will reveal more than the Dropa story as it currently stands - which I think has been tainted in the telling and probably twisted to suit the interests of people like Von Daniken.
I note also that there is still the issue of the skeletons in the caves -which I assume are still there (if true) - surely that would be a good basis with which to do some serious biological investigation of the claims - again though access is going to be a problem.
And one last point - to the poster who suggested that modern materials should survive the passage of time - seen the effects of the tsunami lately - traces of humanity given time can be destroyed even pesky plastics can burn and distinigrate. It just takes time. So little wonder that we only find scattered evidence of our forebears.
I live in hope that some of these OOPARTS will shed light on our orgins as a species and as a civilization.
See ya
Been reading this thread with some interest for a while now and there are a few things which don't seem to fit on either side of the debate (skeptic of believer).
I have read the material which reportedly "debunks" the Dropa stones and I have to say its less than convincing in any academically rigorous way. The absence of proof is not proof of absence. The About.com article only seems to establish that the origins of the story are based on a discontinuous record of interviews, possible fiction, hearsay and conjecture. I don't disagree with the author - whilst this may call into question the validity of the author and means of transmission it does not automatically dismiss the story. What I see there is a cognitive bias to remove or explain away information that does not seem to fit a neat pattern. Lots of material is like that - truths get distorted in the telling but that does not mean there is not some validity to the original tale.
Von Daniken probably was a glory hound and his involvement in the dropa story is regrettable since it just seems to predispose people to thinking it was all just a fabrication (probably to aid the selling of books etc).
I could use the same logic on the "enlightening" violations website which the about.com article cites - the link no longer works - therefore it must have been made up! Of course this logic is irrational.
If the original story was released in China and such a story would certainly disturb Beijing then you can count on the fact that the story would have been suppressed or ridiculed. It happens to even the most benign of articles today. And little wonder that the stones just vanished! Less trouble for the university from its political masters if such things were simply forgotten.
How did the chinese academic translate the stones - one plausible explanation is that the Dropa and Han intermingled and so to did their languages. So the academic had some language basis (proto-chinese) to decipher the code. Unlike Linear A which has no inter-mingled languages to help aid its translation.
So does all this mean I belive the Dropa story - its compelling and I do so want to believe - but yet I can not find enough evidence to fully support the Dropa claims.
Firstly it does not surprise me that there a few pictures of the inhabitants of that part of the world (and only one of the Dropas) since the Chinese were very sensitive about that region - Tibet to this day is a near no-go zone for many foreigners. But the picture itself - which the about.com article insists is genuine - does not show anything unusual - they look Tibetan there are no disproportionatly large heads - no real features which suggest alien origin. The look like footage I have seen of Tibetan mountain tribes ie small - pale but rugged. So I am inclined to dismiss the photo as one of a Dropa hybrid.
Secondly the stones themselves are of interest - there are many similar stones floating around China (my wife is a chinese scholar just in case you were wondering how I know all this) and they are indeed throughout to represent some form of serpent worship. Are these the same as the Dropa stones - no idea. For all I know there were substituted ages ago - which may explain why there is a size discrepancy in some the accounts against the pictures. Then again where would 700+ disks go - surely some of them must be around. If they exist (or even the paper transcription) then it should be found and made available for examination.
What of the myth of the strange sky people - it may interest you all to know that there quite a number of stories like that from around the same region. Sickly coloured creatures who came from the sky and were reviled and killed by locals. Is there any truth - well maybe - perhaps some other incident is the real Dropa story just twisted with time. Seems hardly likely that any human would mate with such odd creatures they did not like. Seems far more reasonable that like many humans the locals just hunted down and destroyed that which they didn't like.
These myths I believe will reveal more than the Dropa story as it currently stands - which I think has been tainted in the telling and probably twisted to suit the interests of people like Von Daniken.
I note also that there is still the issue of the skeletons in the caves -which I assume are still there (if true) - surely that would be a good basis with which to do some serious biological investigation of the claims - again though access is going to be a problem.
And one last point - to the poster who suggested that modern materials should survive the passage of time - seen the effects of the tsunami lately - traces of humanity given time can be destroyed even pesky plastics can burn and distinigrate. It just takes time. So little wonder that we only find scattered evidence of our forebears.
I live in hope that some of these OOPARTS will shed light on our orgins as a species and as a civilization.
See ya
I suggest we 'Dropa' the subject.
(To the sound of Queen's, 'another one bites the dust')
Da da da.. another myth's been debunked!
(To the sound of Queen's, 'another one bites the dust')
Da da da.. another myth's been debunked!
was'nt there some small country in the far east in which used round boulders identical to one another were found?
u mean the costa rica balls 
QUOTE(BellaLuna @ Dec 10 2003, 03:18 PM)
I have looked high and low for images of the Dropa but only found one. How in the world could there be only one picture of these people? Does anyone know of any links featuring images of the people?
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Just my $.02 I just learned about the stones last week & have been going crazy looking for more info on them. anyway I too looked for photos of the Dropa people and could find only 2 but as it so happens my girlfriend is from Tibet and I could not help but ask her if she knew anything about the Dropas and as it turned out she did not mainly because she grew up in Switzerland but i also asked her to ask her mother & she told us that her father via arranged marriage is a Dropa! *I'm like oh sh**!* Anyway I do have pics of the father but they look nothing like how the Dropas were described. hes just an ordinary looking Tibetan IMO but she did go on to say that she has seen the little people that have been described and that they are very ugly with big heads & lite green eyes. I did not even mention a description to her other than saying very short people & that's the first thing she said. so I am now 100% sure that they are there.
Something else id like to point out about Tibetans is that they have arranged marriages witch in itself is not uncommon but traditionally its common for the husband of a Tibetan daughter to sleep with his wife's mother. that on the other hand strikes me as a bit weird. Then again, when you think about it, if you were from an alien race trying to integrate with humans and it were as ugly as the Dropas would you not try anything you could get away with?
& for the record everybody. I have read Magikmans post as well and all the links & info but it does not explain what i have learned so we seem to be in disagreement on the facts. personaly i don't care if any of you believe me or not. I know what i know and i now know somebody is full of poopy
on another note....
Again For the record as far as i know I'm one of the few people that can say "Hey i slept with a possible half alien
" so for now on just call me Captan kirk 
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Something else to consider, 20th century technologycan produce plastics and artificial materials that will last for thousands of years. Dropa people travelling from planet to planet are obviously more advanced than us. So it stands to reason that the tools they used to make the stones and their spaceship ect should still be around. Any material that withstands the depths of space and crash lands on earth leaving survivors should be able to survive 12000 years buried in the earth, but no one has found it. Why not? Most likely because it doesn't exist.
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just for a minute there i thought you were going to say it did exist
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or maybe it does and somebody does not want us to know about it.. duh?
funny how the americans ar not the only ones producing computers & other crap last i checked the Chinese seem to be rather advanced too. maybe you should read this http://www.20kweb.com/weird_stuff/dropas.html
and btw you are asuming that it can last 12,000 years. i dont know about you but we cant even make cars that last much more than 15 years let alone 12,000. 12,000 years is a really long time. to be honest with you id like to see one thing we made that last 12,000 years. prove it to me.
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Wow! Thats all true? Where was the story published? Sorry if im a bit skeptical.. i would just like to read over the pronted story myself.
Awesome reading though. thanks.
It would be a truly amazing discovery if its all authentic and the translations are correct.
It would be amazing...Saw it on Discovery this weekend... I have been looking ever since... But the lack of empirical evidence is quite disturbing, photos of the tibes... and where are the papers written by Nui.. or anyone else... where is the cave , pictures... I have seen three total pics... I would love it to be real... but all the apiori conjecture is hurting my head...
But undefined it would truly be amazing!
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I am a University engineering studnet. After I read all the articles being posted on the web we only know that they have such a stone from the DROPA but what I found in the page is that they do found some skeleton of dropa . So why not just get a skeleton and make a DNA test see whether they match to our human ancestor ? then this mystery will be solve if their DNA is really different from the human race this means that they are the entirely new species on earth which we had never encounter before but at least it give us a better knowledge about them rather then always talk about the stone .
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I am a University engineering studnet. After I read all the articles being posted on the web we only know that they have such a stone from the DROPA but what I found in the page is that they do found some skeleton of dropa . So why not just get a skeleton and make a DNA test see whether they match to our human ancestor ? then this mystery will be solve if their DNA is really different from the human race this means that they are the entirely new species on earth which we had never encounter before but at least it give us a better knowledge about them rather then always talk about the stone .
There are no skeletons, there never was. This whole thing was admitted to be made up. VD said he heard it from some German guy, that guy said he heard it from VD. You want some dropka DNA (proper spelling) ask her:
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There are no skeletons, there never was. This whole thing was admitted to be made up. VD said he heard it from some German guy, that guy said he heard it from VD. You want some dropka DNA (proper spelling) ask her:
Hmm... no skeletons?
Another link:
http://www.rense.com/general54/more.htm
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