I just find it odd that the bulk of our tech jumped after 1950. it was steady progress before that then wow ! did aliens help ? I don't know and I don't think any of us do unless you have that sort of clearance to know. believer or skeptic. Did they get tech from craft found ? that's a possibility . Did they find craft ? again no one can state 100 % yes or no. , but the leap of tech , even so much as trying to build ' flying saucers' , countless military personnel reports , the government report that says they were dropping dummies in 1947 when really they didn't start until 1953 , seems more is going on than we know. where there is smoke ................................

Good point.

I read some place that it was simply being put down by evolutionists to be just part of mans evolutionary process or somewhere along those lines, to go from...
''Prehistoric age>>>>>>>>>>>>>stone age >>>>>>>>>industrial age>>>>>high tech digital age>>space age''???
In my opinion somehow it just dosn't add up or make any sense.
As you stated man has advanced more in the last 100 to 150yrs than he has previously ever before that.
Why suddenly around the turn of the last century have we advanced so rapidly???

*Suddenly Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey(1968)springs to mind*

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No, the industrial revolution has been chugging along for about 300 years.
It makes perfect sense, inventions and thoughts propogate more inventions and thought. Did you know that 100 years ago there was 1 billion people on the earth. China now exceeds that number alone. More people, more technology, more minds, more resources, more people to help clean, participate and fund all this also accelerates the speed of the progress. It has been a very eventual climb, on the scale of mankind it might seem quite a skip, but hey, it has taken homnids 4 million years to get here. Could you imagine what Lucy might do with a screwdriver? Even with a tutor teaching her the most intamate workings of the screwdriver?
We did it by learning of each other, as is human nature from birth. Shoulders of Giants and all that (Newton quote). Don't make us out to be less than we are.

I am sure we wil eventually figure out exactly how the pyramids were constructed. The latest I had heard waas it was shown the blocks were made from a limestone cement and poured pretty much in place.
Not sure if you have seen it, but Coral Castle is quite a feat and shows how such imense building materials can be manuvered, there is a nine-ton revolving door that is so well-balanced that a child could open it with the push of a single finger.
Man built the pyramids unaided, clever cookies we can be......

hmmm, kinda doubt it man. they egyptians basically documented their whole lives for everyone. so why not tell people about the greatest accomplishment youve ever done? dont think it was just because they were selfish and didnt want others building it. despite the fact others did anyways.
its not like they had tourist coming by all the time anyways just to see what theyve done and how they did it. not like todays world.

Well said.
And perfectly right, it would be far more prestigous to have a friend with a spaceship than a big house. If aliens hung out with them, there would be an extensive record. So right, not like todays world at all.

Maybe someone stole all the dokumentations then?

I heard about a theory that they were able to lift the heavy rocks with their mind power, dose that make any sense to you?

Actually quite interesting enough I have always felt that we have been helped in some sort of way ever since the invention of the television and car. I just think it was quite odd that a race of people still using horse and buggy could just wake up one morning and bam we know how to create cars and televisions. How could we even come up with this technology. Like the picture tube in a television. When that came out people were still using black and white film in their camera's.

Fair enough point psyche.

I've never really been a fan of Newton anyway, but as you state the industrial revolution has been chugging away for about 300 yrs and thats fine, lets even give it 500 or a thousand year for the sake of argument. But if we go by Newtons theory as an example...500 or even a thousand yrs is a just blink of an eye when talking in evolutionary terms... How do we explain the MASSIVE gap between the start of the industrial age and say the thousands if not tens of thousands of yrs prior to that.
I noticed you also stated man and his mind combined with population growth has helped create the technological advancement we see to date...then would'nt that come up under spiritual advancement in man if i could call it that(the human mind) or dare i even say it 'help from elsewhere'...Then would'nt that contradict Newton's Law of survival of the fittest...

Just 'thoughts' on it anyway... lol!

Later...

"... How do we explain the MASSIVE gap between the start of the industrial age and say the thousands if not tens of thousands of yrs prior to that? ..."
--- Rebel

How do we explain the beginning of the Industrial Age? It's obvious: machines. Machines did the work of ten, hundreds or thousands of men and women. The steam engine was used on scoop shovels, ships, locomotives, etc. Imagine trying to lift 20 tons with horses or manpower. Yes, it can be done but the steam engine allowed it to be done in a matter of minutes, not days or weeks.
The ability to do things faster --- whether it was lifting heavy objects, moving earth or transporting goods, resources and people --- allowed inventions, food, people and ideas to go from Point A to Point B faster.
One of the most influential inventions was the finely threaded bolt or screw. Think about it. With it, large machinery is possible. Also, if you can make its twist very accurate, you now have a means to make very fine measurements down to 1,000 or 10,000 of an inch.
Such tiny measurements are crucial for the creation of very precise machines that can do very precise things, such as a watch, measuring device, diameter of a piston and so on.
Without the ability to measure very closely, few machines are possible. Or if they are possible, they cannot be produced on a large scale, relatively inexpensively, and are only available to a select few. Thus, their effect upon society is negligible.
The age of massive production didn't begin until the late 1700s, aside from the textile mills of Belgium and England. Textile mills don't require machinery with extremely close tolerances. You don't need to make a rug exactly 1.268 inches thick. If it's 1 inch thick in one place, and 1.3 inches thick in another, no one will really notice when it's on the floor.

Now, where did the machines come from? Getting back to the basis of your question.
Europe had just come out of the dark ages and the Spanish Inquisition. Any invention at that time was seen as suspect, possibly the work of the Devil. Such a belief across society stymied progress for hundreds of years. There was also a great prejudice in Europe, believing that no civilization before it was as advanced.
How were the pyramids, Roman temples and Greek parthenon built, then? By godless heathens and you won't ask that question if you know what's good for you!
That was the attitude of the day. It stymied civilization.
A variety of social changes occurred in Europe that began to make people question their faith and their leaders.
The adoption of gunpowder brought about major social changes. Suddenly, a man didn't require years of practice with sword or bow to become a formidable opponent.
And leaders took note that as they improved their armies by adopting the musket, they realized they better treat those troops a whole lot better or they'd have an armed rebellion in their backyard.
Suddenly, there was an explosion in science. People began to wonder about disease, astronomy, food production, transportation and so on, and sought answers for their questions. Generally, religion lost its hold on people as far as demons and angels being responsible for everything.
The Age of Invention began, resulting in machines to do tasks that were previously impossible or took a great deal of labor.
Aliens didn't land and show us how to make sewing machines, steam engines, sawmills and so on. We did it ourselves --- with courage, foresight and the refusal to remain ignorant and beholding to a manipulative few.

Thanks for that, saved me a great deal of typing
And may I add, very well said
Good thoughts Rebel, although I believe you were refering to Herbert Spencer, who originally applied the phrase in in his Principles of Biology of published in 1864.

Thanks for the replies boys.

This whole Darwinism V Creationism or even Intelligent Designism lol! is all a bit much to take in.
I think i'l stick with the living Day by Dayism and try keep'n a bit of an Open Mindism along the way. lol!

I sometimes wonder though if the scientific community/establishment 'today' are in total agreement with each other on this whole topic?


''When Darwinists present reconstructions of so-called "pre-humans", invariably they look nothing like humans.''
HUMAN ORIGINS: CAN WE HANDLE THE TRUTH?


Later...

your entitled to your own opinion. "weve been helped"

Any proper examination of the facts implies that we've done most everything on our own.
The Stirling was invented in the 19th century, and Otto's patents are in the 1880s. Michael Faraday's discoveries were long, long ago.
As to the electronics, vacuum tubes were played with also in the 19th century. At the turn of the century, the basics of the CRT were known, cathode emissions were being experimented with, and the first known television predecessor was demonstrated at the World's Fair in Chicago in the 1930s. The first of the transistor technology was also demonstrated.
Tesla's radio control experiments were also shown around the turn of that century.
Quantum physics was under way by that time, being completed by 1935 in basis.
Vacuum tubes show the same development path as current transistor technology, progressing from huge power eating devices to peanut tubes, not much larger than early transistors. Transistors show the same progression.
Likewise, integrated circuits show logical progression, from large RTL and DTL to TTL, SOS, MOS, and COSMOS. Size was obviously a factor, as it was well known that with FET technology the majority of the power is used in switching, so it is natural to reduce the size, thus reducing capacitance, thus reducing power consumption as well as increasing speed.
The progression is not amazing, it is logical and reasonable. There is no external hand required, no inspiration from some other-worldly technology. We have dug our own grave, in essence.

And, as everyone knows, the Egyptian pyramids were constructed by the Goa'uld.