We cannot take the credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone. We have been helped." When asked by whom, he replied, �The people of other worlds." -Herman Oberth german rocket scientist

It woldn't surprise me. When you look at how the industrial revolution took off and what has happened with the human race in the last 125-150 years, it is really quite amazing.

agreed

I don't know what he meant...but the explosion of technology follows a very traceable path....and that path doesn't lead to Alien Intervention....rather it accentuates the brilliance of mankind and the application of knowledge upon knowledge.

I agree. The UAP activity seems fairly consistent over time for hundreds of years while technological "progress" of the 'species' Homo Sapien Sapien has advaced exponetially over time.

so when he quoted that what was he talking about? was he a loon in your opinion?

"I was there at [Project] Bluebook and I know the job they had. They were told not to excite the public, not to rock the boat... Whenever a case happened that they coud explain--which was quite a few--they made a point of that, and let that out to the media. . .Cases that were very difficult to explain, they would jump handsprings to keep the media away from them. They had a job to do, rightfully or wrongfully, to keep the public from getting excited-J ALLEN HYNEK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhUmCthFK0k&NR=1

I believe alot of technology we currently have could be alien inspired...

Lol come on folks give the human race some credit.

I'm wondering exactly what Mr. Oberth was implying..."the people of other worlds" could mean the great minds of past civilizations. Sort of like Newton's statement, "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants". This comment may not have been literal, see what I mean?

I don't think any german rocket scientist would refer to aliens. I rather believe he's talking about other cultures, or other countries. Nevertheless I have to admit it's a strange way to say it.

the germans were working with the aliens ..so the US had to as well...thats my take on it..

Speculating on the meaning of what someone said 65 years ago is silly IMO. Don't you find it interesting that in the scenario of 'alien beings on earth', that; only the 'governments' have access to them. It's preposterous.

no. not in a country that has giant bunkers running under 5 states..no i dont find it silly at all...

I can't lol human races intelligence are detoriating in every new generation XD

I want to give my opinion on this.

When people with advance mind was thinking of something, they never stop thinking

till they get the answer. In some cases, they discovered the answer by accident.

Now, they have two things in their mind. The answer and how did they get it?

When the coincidence was too much, they started thinking someone is behind this.

They know someone was helping them secretly.

Lol thanks for quoting me i noticed the spelling mistake i made and have now corrected it....................I guess it's true we are degenerating....im proof lol.



I just find it amusing that people are so fast to jump to the conclusion that aliens must have helped us with our technology or for the pyramids or other stuff like that or even God has to have the credit also. Why cant we accept that the human race is pretty darn good at stuff and at other times pretty darn..........rubbish.

Well, i'm dumb actually.
But i invented something that even Albert can't think about.

LoL, you people dont get it He was just joking...

Or in second thought, maybe not when i read little more about him

He also said:

It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system.There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system.

http://netscientia.com/ufo_quotes.html

There are a bunch of other interesting quotes as well in the link above. Enjoy!

I'm supposed to judge whether or not we came up with microchips and supersonic planes by ourselves? How the hell would I know? I don't even know how my toaster works. I'm guessing that most of us are in no position to make sweeping generalizations about what humans could and couldn't have invented.

thanks for the links!...I get the feeling the truths coming?..

This is an excellent point. I find it curiously funny that a lot of people will go out of their way to think man is basically "blind and stupid" - when we have very credible records that man actually does have a brain. Does that mean smart people do not make stupid mistakes also? No - they do .... all one has to do is look clearly at the historical records and documents. An idea starts as a 'seed' - is planted in the minds of man and it blossoms into fruitition....

The False Doctrine: "Mankind is to stupid..." is just that a False Doctrine that some needed to plant to 'feed their alien belief'. Sad but true - it only takes a simple research to prove it is just that - a False Doctrine.

I cannot find that particular quote attributed to Hermann Oberth and would appreciate if the OP could link to where it was sourced.

However...



source

I am not nor probably ever will be as genius as some of these people, however i have had my share of (BRAINS) very smart friend's, and i can tell you from experience that they all share one common dinominater, Most are Affected with a touch of madness or some sort of insane way of thinking that is above or beyond most average people like myself...

Lilly: I'm wondering exactly what Mr. Oberth was implying..."the people of other worlds" could mean the great minds of past civilizations. Sort of like Newton's statement, "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants". This comment may not have been literal, see what I mean?

soel: I don't think any german rocket scientist would refer to aliens. I rather believe he's talking about other cultures, or other countries. Nevertheless I have to admit it's a strange way to say it.


As others on this thread have pointed out Oberth did in fact talk about the UFO Phenomena quite openly. Many of these quotes were published. To think he must have meant something else in this case doesn't make sense, some of his other quotes certainly are not open to re-interptation.

I also found this interesting. A collegue of Dr. Martin Schilling related this story.

A staff member was passing judgment against the brilliant rocket
pioneer, Professor Hermann Oberth (1894-1989) mocking him as
being "nuts" for his belief that craft from other worlds
existed. The exchange occurred after Oberth had stated in the
press that UFOs in his opinion were bona fide.[4]

Martin is said to have slowly turned and glared at the chap, and
from the friends account, in a clear and direct retort, was
heard to have said:

"Oberth, mad! You don't know what he knows or
what we know, he is not mistaken! Oberth never
said anything that was irrational and theoretically
wrong, why don't you listen".

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/update...y/m11-005.shtml

Absolutely, ioc.
For example, look at the man credited with creating the world' first successful revolver: Samuel Colt.
He took what was known of metallurgy, chemistry, physics, marketing, organized manufacturing and interchanging of mass-produced parts and applied those to manufacturing his revolver.
Then, either by doing it himself or hiring those who were brilliant, he improved upon each of the above, especially metallurgy and manufacturing. The result was better steel, more durable tools, quicker manufacturing, wider distribution of goods and even better treatment of the workers.
Sam Colt treated his workers very well for the times, creating good housing for them near the factory and ensuring their families were well cared for. He knew that a happy worker was a productive worker.
Colt died in 1862 at the age of 47.
When he was born in 1815, rifles and pistols could only be fired once then had to be reloaded from the front, by a tedious, slow process.
Had he lived into his 80s, he would have seen the birth of the semi-automatic pistol and rifle, capable of firing one shot with each pull of the trigger.
His manufacturing methods and refinements made possible the fine machining required to build the internal combustion engine, typewriter, bicycle and countless other machines.
Like others, he started with current knowledge and improved it.
When we give credit to aliens for technological advances, we discount the advances of those upon whose shoulders we stand.

hmmm....cant seem to find where people said man was blind and stupid and had no brain...but i see what you mean. but its not like we havent accomplished anything in the past, or had the brain power to do it. its just people think we may have had a little push into the right direction. like an intervention giving us the skills/knowledge/tools to put what we know to use. like how exactly build a pyramid.

Wait, wait, wait...he actually said this, then why was he messing around with solid and liquid-fuel rockets and multi-stage rockets for space-travel instead of that wonderful alien technology?

umm...because he didnt have any of it
he was just stating his theory, that we have been helped over the years

If we have, then why continue to send space-shuttles up with on rockets? Where are the great advances?

the rockets are for public consumption, the real ships are used daily like popping down to the supermarket

i assume theyre saying the advances are some of the great technological machines weve made, or great buildings that weve constructed over time. weve been given a little help in making these or coming up with them...i dunno. i didnt make up this theory.
and why do we still have rockets? could be because we havent been 'helped' with coming up with a newer form of space travel. who knows. maybe thats what is actually going on at area 51

Well, the fact is we don't have any other intelligent species around to compare our progress with, so it's difficult to say "our progress was normal here, here and here, but it was accelerated artificially here."
As far as we know, human progression has been completely normal for humans.

--Jaylemurph

The reason we still use the old fashion rockets is so we dont show our hand to the enemies of which this nation, I am referring to America has many. We dont even need our super advanced vehicles to woop up on the rest of the world right now so why let them know this technology is possible if we dont have too. Now if the Iraqis start using flying saucers to invade us then we will show our hand but not until we have too. Now I am not saying we have these types of vehicles, but if we do then I think this is why we wouldnt reveal it. Keep them thinking it is little green men they are seeing what a cover.

why does everyone thinks that "We cannot take the credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone." means rockets, space, so what that he was rocket scianict, he might be talking about other scientific fields, there are a lot of them. he doesn,t have to be in them, but just know enough about them to say that. otoh i can,t think of one invention, that alien helped us with. can anyone??

This quote rings much more true for me:

"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
--Sir Isaac Newton, in a letter he wrote to fellow English scientist Robert Hooke that was dated 2/5/1675 .

It seems to me that when you look at the records of human insight, there is a logical connection between each time period and the next. I've never heard of any breaks where I need to think, "Wow, where the hell did that come from? Must have been a non-human influence."

When you look at our intellectual history, or cultural history, or artistic history, do you see any glaring disconnects (as in, there's no way this insight could have evolved out of it's intellectual past)?

Sometimes it seems like people think, "EITHER extra-terrestrial life exists OR aliens contributed to human culture". I believe that extra-terrestrial life exists AND the human race has total credit for developing what we call civilization. I suspect that extra-terrestrial life is way more alien then we can even imagine. If you believe in evolution (I do), all earthly species are our cousins. We can't even relate to our cousin-species on earth. It's hard to believe that a totally unrelated lifeform from another world could be so much more similar to us than our cousin-species that we could instantly extract segments of their culture and imbed it in our's.

Yeah, the explosion had a fuse and it was lit long before it exploded. But the fire that lit the fuse is what is of interest here, not the explosion. Was the first invention of the explosion an event that was copied by many or was the first invention just a large event that covered many people? The invention of fire was a big event. Did that start it? Or was it the invention of the wheel? I think mankind lost his mind and had to 'ape' his ancestors. But, they ran out of the natural and supply and demand took over.

Except for conspiracy theorists - the Pyramids have all but been proven they could be built by man back then, by a number of different and available 'technologies'. This is only "strange" now to those who do NOT wish to believe man was capable. So anyone now that uses the Egyptian Pryamids as 'proof of aliens' - is showing just that. They didn't bother to do any actual research that show clearly not only were they capable - but that without 'alien' helps (except maybe 'aliens' from other countries) were very capable of doing this.

Man did not invent fire. I have no clue what the last sentence even means....

The history of invention has ebbed and waned....one highpoint of mans technological advances were the pyramids...that technology waned....then there were the Romans...their technology also waned....

...I imagine after OUR technology wanes...those that come after will no doubt say that all of our technology was supported by aliens.

It's just silly.

the dude might be just an attention seeker.

The Japanese could not re-create the lifting of an obelisk 1/4 the size of a normal egyptian obelisk, EVEN withh modern technology, wtf?

Oh, well, if the Japanese couldn't do it..so much for my JaPanese Are Aliens theory.

I'm sorry - this means what?

I know a lot of people that believe 'aliens did this' - and set out to 'prove' that man couldn't. Some of the rational and logic is actually rather silly too.

If you want to "prove" we can't - you'll find the "proof".

When you are ready to accept the fact we can - there is proof there too.
It all depends on what you are wanting to see and looking for to prove.

"Lol come on folks give the human race some credit. "



When you think that the human race has gone from horse drawn cart to lunar module in less than a hundred years ,the idea does not sound too outlandish.
I find its getting more and more presumptive to ignore UFO quotes such as these from prominent scientists/academics etc..
Heres s'more:
http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/QuotesPage.html

Not really, it has been near 300 years scince the first Industrial Revolution.
Click for The Industrial Revolution Each invention has flowed from the previous, there has been no unearthly jump.

Those quotes are quite a large number, thanks for the link, there seems to be a great deal of influential people on there, is there a way to verify this page? I don't mean to be rude, but that seems that enough peole are interested in the phenomena and have had to resources to pursue it? I think the underground bases theories, grey theories and the like are too far fetched and hurt the whole field, so when one see's a large collection of quotes from reputable people, one must re-evaluate the depth of ones skeptism. I think something is up there, but no idea if that be LGM's meteors or some natural phenomena we have not worked out as yet or military exersise. Like anyone, I'd like to be totally wrong, but the evidence does not seem to point in that direction.

I'm quite sure he either meant 'other worlds' figuratively or he was some what deluded.

i never said man wasnt capable. i just said theres no documentation of the building of it. which makes no sense what so ever seeing as they basically documented their whole lives, except for the pyramid. now why is that? because they didnt build it alone? so they didnt understand all the concepts and werent able to put it on the walls properly? who knows. none of us were there, so none of us can say, except give opinions. i just find it hard in some ways to believe back then they just suddenly came up with the idea to bury a body in such a massive structure, instead of a smaller tomb like with others. its somewhat, odd, i guess. and i was always curious as to where all the tools came from, the knowledge and math and the man power (and i know there were alot of people there). people have tried to do this today and they find it like impossible.
do i think its impossible for them to build? hmmm, probably not, i guess.
do ithink someone else could have? or helped? kind of

If Egyptians had help from extraterrestrials then they probably would be proud to have documentation of it. I think there is a reason why there's no documentaions. Because they didnt want other cultures to be able to build big constructions like their's. The pyramid resembles great power and wealth, it only makes sense that they were unwilling to share the technics which they were proud of. I think they liked the mystery behind it also and made other cultures to think godly of them. And it works great even nowdays

What I wanna know is how do I refer to you in these forums ??

Are you . ?? Full stop ?? Dot ?? What/who are ya ???

Thats a mystery

I love getting my teeth into a good mystery......