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user posted image rDeclared dead by doctors, then rescued from the mortuary, Freddie Maguire has made such a strong recovery that he has been nicknamed Jesus Christ. Mr Maguire, 47, from Dublin’s north inner city, was pronounced dead by doctors at the Mater Hospital after they fought for 30 minutes to save his life on Easter Day. Mr Maguire, who has learning difficulties, was being treated for a separate condition when he suffered a heart attack. He was moved to the intensive care unit and treated by a team of medical staff, who pronounced him dead. Mr Maguire’s relatives were coming to terms with their loss when they were informed that he was, in fact, alive. A member of staff saw his hand move as he was about to be put into a mortuary refrigerator. Frances Maguire, his aunt, said: “He’s all right now and he’s back the way he was before this terrible thing took place. “

His recovery was very slow at first and he’s still on medication, but he’s back home living with his uncle and he visits me every night. “The doctors all pronounced him dead. It’s disgraceful and very upsetting. I don’t think they should get away with it.” Friends and neighbours have dubbed Mr Maguire Jesus Christ because of his seemingly miraculous resurrection at Easter. Mrs Maguire was in the Mater Hospital herself receiving medical attention when the incident occurred.

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Uchideshi
Crazy! That would be a mind job and a half! wake up in a morgue or in a box!
Nightmare's anyone....
ToxicLogic
It makes you wonder, how many people are still alive and just aren't seen moving? Disturbing to say the least.
Pandora7321
Holy Krikey!!! That would be sooooo terrifying. If that one nurse had not seen his hand move........ crying.gif
Lt_Ripley
that 's why they used to make coffins with bells attached. in case you were buried alive .

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joc
QUOTE(Lt_Ripley @ Jun 12 2007, 03:07 AM) [snapback]1719812[/snapback]
that 's why they used to make coffins with bells attached. in case you were buried alive .

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Really! Interesting.

And back then they didn't even have Socialized HealthCare. Good thing the poor SOB wasn't an organ donor! ohmy.gif
sbradj
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Good thing the poor SOB wasn't an organ donor! ohmy.gif

no.gif couldnt imagine..whatta nightmare..
texasgirlheather
QUOTE(SaRuMaN @ Jun 11 2007, 08:52 AM) [snapback]1718358[/snapback]
linked-image[b]“The doctors all pronounced him dead. It’s disgraceful and very upsetting. I don’t think they should get away with it.”
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What is it about the medical staff doing their seeming (from the little bit of info given here) best, with the training and information that they have to work with, that's disgraceful and upsetting? If they worked on him for half an hour as stated, what is there that they shouldn't get away with? Going on what's presented here, it seems as if the caregivers were doing their utmost. Are they supposed to be miracle workers? IOW, as far as current knowledge goes now, they seem to have been using their best efforts, so.... why is this person so quick to blame them and try to make them look incompetent? The person quoted seems to expect the medical staff to transcend the limited earthly medical understanding of death.

There is no guarantee that humanity has reached full and complete understanding of the death process; we are going on observation and study, yes, but it is certainly possible that we have missed something, and it is possible that people continue being conscious, or alive, unconscious and unresponsive with no vital signs, without our knowing about it. If it is possible that death can take place with complete, irreversible finality, later than we currently think it does; and this case represents one of those rare cases where this can be showcased to us; then how is a staff made up of people who have been educated in schools teaching the current medical knowledge, supposed to "know," based on their current educational input, something they couldn't know? They only know what they've been taught in school, which is a considerable amount, of course, a whole lot by anyone's standards. Can they be held responsible for not having access to knowledge that science can not even prove?

IOW if science believes that after a certain amount of time, death is certain and irreversible, and that is what they have been taught; isn't it fair to say that they did the best that they knew how to do? The person quoted is assuming (it seems) that they missed some kind of obvious sign, or made some kind of gross error; this person speaking doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that it is possible that what we think we "know" about death might be incorrect, and that given this case (and a few scattered others similar to it, that I have seen) it might be a case of incomplete understanding of the process, rather than negligence on the part of the medical staff. But.... I'm sure they will sue... rolleyes.gif Of course it is hard to tell based on the little info presented here, but this is MO.
HowdyDoo
QUOTE(texasgirlheather @ Jun 12 2007, 06:59 AM) [snapback]1720049[/snapback]
What is it about the medical staff doing their seeming (from the little bit of info given here) best, with the training and information that they have to work with, that's disgraceful and upsetting? If they worked on him for half an hour as stated, what is there that they shouldn't get away with? Going on what's presented here, it seems as if the caregivers were doing their utmost. Are they supposed to be miracle workers? IOW, as far as current knowledge goes now, they seem to have been using their best efforts, so.... why is this person so quick to blame them and try to make them look incompetent? The person quoted seems to expect the medical staff to transcend the limited earthly medical understanding of death.

There is no guarantee that humanity has reached full and complete understanding of the death process; we are going on observation and study, yes, but it is certainly possible that we have missed something, and it is possible that people continue being conscious, or alive, unconscious and unresponsive with no vital signs, without our knowing about it. If it is possible that death can take place with complete, irreversible finality, later than we currently think it does; and this case represents one of those rare cases where this can be showcased to us; then how is a staff made up of people who have been educated in schools teaching the current medical knowledge, supposed to "know," based on their current educational input, something they couldn't know? They only know what they've been taught in school, which is a considerable amount, of course, a whole lot by anyone's standards. Can they be held responsible for not having access to knowledge that science can not even prove?

IOW if science believes that after a certain amount of time, death is certain and irreversible, and that is what they have been taught; isn't it fair to say that they did the best that they knew how to do? The person quoted is assuming (it seems) that they missed some kind of obvious sign, or made some kind of gross error; this person speaking doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that it is possible that what we think we "know" about death might be incorrect, and that given this case (and a few scattered others similar to it, that I have seen) it might be a case of incomplete understanding of the process, rather than negligence on the part of the medical staff. But.... I'm sure they will sue... rolleyes.gif Of course it is hard to tell based on the little info presented here, but this is MO.


Texas makes a good point. My family just went through a trying time in the ICU with my mother--we almost lost her twice. We found that nothing is as black and white as it seems. There are so many shades of gray.
QuickSilver2005
As far as the bells go, I believe I remember reading somewhere or being told by one of my teachers a few years ago that a common prank in that time was to remove the... I guess I'll call it a "ringer", from the bell. That would be my luck, pull the string and... "Oh good, I see the neighborhood kids haven't changed. mellow.gif " On a personal note, I've had at least one family member who has been pronounced dead several times in his life (victim of many heart attacks) only to be revived by the hospital equipment or after the equipment failed, on his own (more related to the article).
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