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gigantickitten
Well, I seemed to get mostly positive and at least responses that were attempting to be helpful in my last post ( To which I am very grateful, so I figured that I would post this ) - This is something I've posted before on a couple of sites. Something that I've been bothered by ever since I had the dream. So, I'm going to type it out here, post, and hope for some good responses ( Dream interpretors, people with opinions, whatever. Feel free to comment as long as it's constructive. ) - Now.

The dream happened, I should say. Around when I was ten or so, I remember the dream so vividly because it was something that felt real, and.. Heres the kicker. I wasn't what I was then in the dream. In the dream I amazingly pictured myself exactly as I am today. Or close.. 17, 18, 19, 20 years old. Something like that. (I'm twenty now), this is me back then - linked-image ( I was a scrawny kid when I was younger. Thirteen up to almost fifteen, I was smaller than most girls. Then suddenly, I hit my growth spurt. By sixteen I was bigger than the typical guy and much stronger ) - This is me now - linked-image - linked-image ( And now I'm twenty years old, 6'2, and 205 LBS - A practitioner of the Martial Arts and Shaolin Kung Fu to be precise. So I'm fit. )

The dream starts strangely enough. I was walking through the streets one night, just quietly strolling, calm night, nothing special, I'm not quite sure why I was out so late, but I know that it was late enough that no one was around. It was just me randomly strolling, when I got the sudden and eerie sensation that I was being followed. At first, it didn't seem too bad. I sped up a bit, I couldn't tell what was following me at first. Then I looked back and I saw three girls were following me. A red head, brunette, and a blond at the front (Seemingly the 'leader'), when I turned back to face forward I was going at a brisk jog and the surroundings had changed. Suddenly I was in an old style town. Cobblestone walkways and streets, old style shoppes, even a fountain in the center. I noticed that none of the girls, although they were considerably smaller than I were really having any trouble keeping up, which didn't make much sense. So, suddenly. I burst into a full blown run/sprint. - Again. No change.. Something about these girls felt very disturbing. I couldn't see their faces, as I said, it was a redhead, a brunette, and a blond who seemed to be the leader, porcelain colored skin, and they seemed not to have the slightest bit of trouble following me even in full speed.

I looked back again now after running for what seemed like a few seconds, they were still behind me, but they had finally fallen behind a bit. When I turned forward, the surroundings changed again. Suddenly I was running through my neighborhood and I was sprinting towards the door. I shot through the door as fast as I could, in a panic, slammed it, and locked the door behind me. Now I slumped a bit against the door, taking a moment. I was out of breath, I was hot, sweaty, and I felt like I'd ran a marathon ( All of this was very real feeling. As if I were awake ) - I finally felt safe, I was inside my house, they were outside, and I was out of what seemed like danger. Laughing a bit to myself, I turned, and suddenly my blood felt like it froze in my veins.

Standing in front of me somehow through inexplicable means were the three girls. ( Now I could see them more clearly. ) Each girl was at least seventeen. Very pretty, their skin was doll like, their bodies were slim, but still curved enough to be clearly feminine, and each were staring at me with these piercing shadowey eyes. I couldn't move, it felt like my legs were locked up. And I tried to yell, but my throat was too dry. The blond one started to step up to me and I felt my body try to fight against itself to move, yell, anything, but nothing came. She calmly reached out, embraced me with her hands under my arms, leaned against me, and on her tip toes came to my ears and whispered something to me. I wasn't able to hear it, at the moment all I could hear were my thoughts and my own heartbeat racing. I could feel her lips touch my neck and then suddenly, poof. I screamed.

I woke up in my bed with a cold sweat pouring down my body and swatted at the air, just hitting wildly. I didn't even need the time to wake up, my eyes were so wide that my vision wasn't fuzzy at all ( As it typically is. ) - I ran to my parents room, woke my mother up, and she spent the rest of the night with me. Awake because I was absolutely horrified by how real the dream was, though.. All I told her is that it was a "bad dream". Some how I knew that the man in the dream was going to be me, which.. Didn't make much sense and makes even less sense now that I've actually grown into that man - Just take a look at the picture of me when I was younger and then me now. There aren't a lot of similarities. My growth spurt not only changed my body, but my face as well. Everything about me.

From time to time ( And I know I'm awake ) I will often at night get the feeling that I am being followed or watched and sometimes, I have seen those girls out of the corner of my eye or in crowds. Whether this is my mind playing tricks on me or not, I don't know. But I've often actually gone in pursuit of them, to no avail. Once outside the mall, walking outside at night, I saw them out of the corner of my eye and ran after them. At full speed, I bounded through the parking lot, and followed halfway around the outside to one of the 18 wheeler docking bays. ( A dead end, basically. ) I looked high and low ( Literally. I even climbed up to the roof to make sure they hadn't some how gotten above ) and was not able to find any trace of them.

Like I said, I'm not sure what any of this means. But I'd appreciate some insight, opinions, anything. Just, all I ask. Is please remain civil with your responses.
myotishia
This is sertainly very interesting .

This dream could be an effect of an overactive subconcious , but after personal experiences with dreams such as this I've found that looking into these things can be very rewarding. I suggest you continue to attempt to persue these women but be causious. It could be that they are harmless but imposing , or that they are dangerous but if you follow with care you should be fine.
If you can pinpoint some more similarities between the places that you feel they are there (or something is there) it may help.

It is slightly worrieing that the leader is pail with blond hair as these are the characteristics of many of the "darker" entities in mytholegy. If she has very light blue eyes it would fit the profile. Now this may not be true (I don't like scaremongering) but as I said , it's always good to be causious in any situation.

I hope you find the answers you want soon . I hope this has been of a little help .
The best of wishes to you.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(myotishia @ Jun 11 2007, 09:00 PM) [snapback]1719246[/snapback]
This is sertainly very interesting .

This dream could be an effect of an overactive subconcious , but after personal experiences with dreams such as this I've found that looking into these things can be very rewarding. I suggest you continue to attempt to persue these women but be causious. It could be that they are harmless but imposing , or that they are dangerous but if you follow with care you should be fine.
If you can pinpoint some more similarities between the places that you feel they are there (or something is there) it may help.

It is slightly worrieing that the leader is pail with blond hair as these are the characteristics of many of the "darker" entities in mytholegy. If she has very light blue eyes it would fit the profile. Now this may not be true (I don't like scaremongering) but as I said , it's always good to be causious in any situation.

I hope you find the answers you want soon . I hope this has been of a little help .
The best of wishes to you.


Well, you've never met me. So you probably don't know how I go about things, but... Cautious is the last word you'd use. If you're referring to the times outside my dreams then when I thought I've seen them? Then I've bounded after them with neigh worry for my safety. As far as I'm concerned, if something or someone is stalking me, well. I'd rather know what it is than go about tiptoeing around it.

Thanks for the response, though. Looking forward to others.
LittleIrishVampiress
vell...they sound like vampires i must say!!! w00t.gif really do...the pale skin, their beauty, the fact they could effortlessly keep up to you...


not that i' saying vampires are real! oh no, i wouldn't say that......hmm.. wink2.gif
rosenrot
I know someone suggested that these girls could be vampires, but is there any possibility they could be guardian spirits. Or possibily spirits of dead family members that have attached themselves to you. Do you remember what type of clothing they were wearing? And that town you described sounded like an old European town.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 12 2007, 03:00 AM) [snapback]1719804[/snapback]
I know someone suggested that these girls could be vampires, but is there any possibility they could be guardian spirits. Or possibily spirits of dead family members that have attached themselves to you. Do you remember what type of clothing they were wearing? And that town you described sounded like an old European town.


What they were wearing? Well, I'm not really sure how to explain it, so I'll try to give you a detail from memory ( In other words, I have no freaking idea what type of dresses they were wearing or if they have special names )

Ultimately it was a full bodied dress, I mean. Very long, one piece it looked like, fringey rose designs kind of opaqueish in the arms going down to their hands where they were tied off with a single loop around the middle finger, the top of the dress was relatively simple, that fringey stuff was at the very top making kind of a U shape down, showing a bit of cleavage underneathe, and the rest of the upper half of the dress was a black silk.. Going down to the skirt it was not tight to their legs, it was hanging and kind of around, but not 'poofy' if you know what I mean - Black silk again, sort of a pleated type skirt, you know what I mean?

I've always been relatively sensitive to 'things'. I can call a lot of things before they happen based off the feeling I get, if I meet a person, I can tell you right off the bat exactly what type of person they are, what they're capable of, how they act, and what they will do given the chance ( And I've never been wrong before ) just by looking into their eyes. - I've been told I have a particularly strong aura like my body was a conduit for energy, but. Then that may have something to do with all the training I've been through in my life. ( I'm a Martial Artist )

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I don't know, though. The town I was in, I've seen things like that. And you're right, typically. European, Scottish, Irish, something like that. Old time type of places what with horse and buggies, I'm not sure what the dream means - And once more things about that dream continue to boggle me, especially today. Like.. When I was that young, how could I possibly see in a dream exactly how I was going to be when I was older? Why did it feel so real? I could feel the wind, every step in running I took sending jolts up my body, my breath heightening, my heart beating, everything. I mean, dreams aren't supposed to feel that real. Why do I continue to think I see them? And then.. No matter what I do if I -know- I've seen them, even, I can't catch them. And as you can see, I can move around quite agile - In the time it took me to chase through that mall parking lot into the dead end and then to jump and climb my way to the roof, theres NO POSSIBLE WAY that anything could of gotten away.

I'm open to suggestions, anything. One of the things about me, though. Is one of the first comments in this thread suggested I be cautious, well.. Let me put it this way. I'm a person that reacts very differently to different feelings. Fear is something that I don't react regularly to. What would normally scare the ever loving bejesus out of someone, makes me want to go after it. If I feel fear from something, I won't run away, I'll run AT it and charge it head on. I don't know why I'm this way, I just am.
rosenrot
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 12 2007, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1719975[/snapback]
What they were wearing? Well, I'm not really sure how to explain it, so I'll try to give you a detail from memory ( In other words, I have no freaking idea what type of dresses they were wearing or if they have special names )

Ultimately it was a full bodied dress, I mean. Very long, one piece it looked like, fringey rose designs kind of opaqueish in the arms going down to their hands where they were tied off with a single loop around the middle finger, the top of the dress was relatively simple, that fringey stuff was at the very top making kind of a U shape down, showing a bit of cleavage underneathe, and the rest of the upper half of the dress was a black silk.. Going down to the skirt it was not tight to their legs, it was hanging and kind of around, but not 'poofy' if you know what I mean - Black silk again, sort of a pleated type skirt, you know what I mean?

Hmm, from your descriptions I'm thinking it was an older type of clothing. With your sensability, there is a good chance that those women were spirits from another time that just attached themselves to you. But you're right. There are some weird things about your dream, especially the fact that you remember it so clearly so long after it happened. The only way I remember dreams is to write them down.

I reread your descriptions of the dresses. They sound medieval. Did you visit anywhere like the place in your dream prior to it?

ps. I don't mean to sound like I'm interrogating you. I'm just trying to help.
rassy
I wonder if you might, instead of trying to chase these ladies, just casually watch them out of the corner of your eye and see what they do. If you keep seeing them from time to time, they're probably watching you, so by you chasing them, they disappear. Maybe you might learn more if you try watching them discreetly whilst not acting like you notice them at all.

Also, with your dream, did you ever think that maybe it could have been like a warning of some sort? Maybe you're not to chase those ladies - if they figure you're on to them, maybe they're going to chase you to try to silence you. Or maybe you end up cornering them one day, who knows? Perhaps they're not supposed to be seen. In which case, if you didn't have the dream, then you wouldn't notice them today. It's a paradox if you think of it that way LOL Maybe you have to break the pattern.

Anyhow, those are the two thoughts I came up with while reading your post. Good luck with that and keep us posted original.gif

gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 12 2007, 05:35 AM) [snapback]1719989[/snapback]
Hmm, from your descriptions I'm thinking it was an older type of clothing. With your sensability, there is a good chance that those women were spirits from another time that just attached themselves to you. But you're right. There are some weird things about your dream, especially the fact that you remember it so clearly so long after it happened. The only way I remember dreams is to write them down.

I reread your descriptions of the dresses. They sound medieval. Did you visit anywhere like the place in your dream prior to it?

ps. I don't mean to sound like I'm interrogating you. I'm just trying to help.


No, no where that I can recall. You're fine asking questions, this is something I'm asking for input and comments on, so of course. I've got to expect it and welcome it. I've no problem with it.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rassy @ Jun 12 2007, 09:14 AM) [snapback]1720126[/snapback]
I wonder if you might, instead of trying to chase these ladies, just casually watch them out of the corner of your eye and see what they do. If you keep seeing them from time to time, they're probably watching you, so by you chasing them, they disappear. Maybe you might learn more if you try watching them discreetly whilst not acting like you notice them at all.

Also, with your dream, did you ever think that maybe it could have been like a warning of some sort? Maybe you're not to chase those ladies - if they figure you're on to them, maybe they're going to chase you to try to silence you. Or maybe you end up cornering them one day, who knows? Perhaps they're not supposed to be seen. In which case, if you didn't have the dream, then you wouldn't notice them today. It's a paradox if you think of it that way LOL Maybe you have to break the pattern.

Anyhow, those are the two thoughts I came up with while reading your post. Good luck with that and keep us posted original.gif


The thing that separates me from your normal person is the fact that I just really don't care. It frustrates me to no end that something I don't understand seems to be around me and seems to have been with me over this many years. - The fact that I see them in the real world makes me want to confront it all the more. I'm not the type of person to worry "what if", and I don't go around unarmed. I carry knives called "Kunai" that are tools of Ninjutsu. Not many people have really heard of them. They're throwing knives that can also be used for hand-to-hand, so.. I don't go in entirely unarmed. Be them what they may, I'm not frightened. I just want to know why. - I hate not having the answers to things.

( For those unawares as I try to provide as much detail as I can in my posts, not that it matters - But these are Kunai )

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Banana Man
I don't know anything about martial arts except some of the weapons. On the dream, I suspect them to be either A. Relatives of your family or B. Spirits possibly angels or demons? I can't say for sure.
rosenrot
QUOTE(rassy @ Jun 12 2007, 05:14 AM) [snapback]1720126[/snapback]
I wonder if you might, instead of trying to chase these ladies, just casually watch them out of the corner of your eye and see what they do.

I agree with rassy. Try a different approach. You have told us that being cautious is not in your nature. But I think this might allow to learn more about these ladies.

QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 12 2007, 05:32 AM) [snapback]1720138[/snapback]
It frustrates me to no end that something I don't understand seems to be around me and seems to have been with me over this many years.

I understand. I get upset when I start out to do something and someone or something else pulls me away from it. It's human nature to want to discover the unknow. (Or at least that's my nature).

ps. I have just wanted to say that you look like a gigantic kitten =^.^= And this was probably the wrong time to say that seeing as you have just shown us your knives... that you carry around... all the time. Don't kill me, please.
Ann
Was that the only scary dream you ever had? Do you still suffer from bad dreams?

I can't tell if your dream was some mystical event where you were visited by three spirits, a time loop, a witch's warning, a nightmare brought on by some horror movie and your own fascination with certain things. No matter, since you are still bothered by it enough even today, and so maybe you feel that it is time to ask yourself a few important questions, with the hope that the answers can free you from this.

Anger is an emotion that can help and drive you forward, but it can also eat you from the inside, and might cause you to harm not just yourself but someone else as well.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 12 2007, 09:19 PM) [snapback]1721161[/snapback]
I agree with rassy. Try a different approach. You have told us that being cautious is not in your nature. But I think this might allow to learn more about these ladies.
I understand. I get upset when I start out to do something and someone or something else pulls me away from it. It's human nature to want to discover the unknow. (Or at least that's my nature).

ps. I have just wanted to say that you look like a gigantic kitten =^.^= And this was probably the wrong time to say that seeing as you have just shown us your knives... that you carry around... all the time. Don't kill me, please.


LOL. No, you're good. I'm not a violent guy, really. I try to live by Buddhist ideals. - "Om Tare Tam Soha." for the good of all sentient beings.

Seriously, I'm harmless unless I'm provoked beyond all reason. ( This is one of the things that surpasses reason or logic, therefore it's one of the things that gets me fired up ) - I believe in spirits and I believe in more than we can just see, I've seen too much. Karma for one? Is a very real thing. Those who preform wicked deeds will gather bad energy and eventually it -will- get them. I also believe in the ability to purify and to use spiritual energy, because. In my practices I have learned to do abnormal things. Without sleeves, one does not put a flame out with their bare hands with -just- physical strength. - The higher truths of the world is that all of this training is not so I can aggress another, it's so that I can defend. I may chase these girls, but I have no intention of harming them unless they show the intent to harm me. I wouldn't harm anyone unless there were no other choice and even when someone attacks you, there is often an alternative to harming them. All I was saying is that I make sure to remain armed and aware when I do chase them, because if they're something paranormal. Well, frankly. I'd rather have a chance against them. ( I also stay armed because I live in Memphis, TN and to anyone that is aware of this city, they know of the crime. At least two murders a night, so.. Being armed is often required for the sake of being able to defend yourself. Since I don't have a concealed weapons permit and detest guns, I use my knives. And, yes. Memphis Law says that the blade 6" or over is illegal, the blades of my Kunai are exactly 5 1/2" )

Anyway, like I was saying. I'm relatively harmless, so, yeah. I'm a big kitten. ( My Chinese Zodiac is the Tiger, my animal spirit to be exact is the White Tiger. )

As for other bad dreams? Not often, no. I have odd dreams, but I never have -bad- dreams. Not like this.
rosenrot
Hmm. I'm going to stand by my theory that these women are spirits that have somehow attached themselves to you. From what you have told us, you sound like someone who spirits would want to attach to. Kind, open, possessing abnormal spiritual strength. I don't know if they would be considered guardian spirits beacuse I think you can take care of yourself with those 5 1/2 knives.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 13 2007, 03:20 AM) [snapback]1721632[/snapback]
Hmm. I'm going to stand by my theory that these women are spirits that have somehow attached themselves to you. From what you have told us, you sound like someone who spirits would want to attach to. Kind, open, possessing abnormal spiritual strength. I don't know if they would be considered guardian spirits beacuse I think you can take care of yourself with those 5 1/2 knives.


But if they were spirits, well. I guess.. They do say you're more connected to the realm of spirits when you're asleep, I suppose. But why would they be chasing me? And why would they give me such an eerie feeling? And why do I continue to see them even today?

Again.. If they were guardian spirits, why would they give me the heebeejeebes?

By the way, don't feel bad. I know, I look threatening from first glance. I've been told I have too much intensity about me, it's not really something I intentionally do.
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 12 2007, 04:48 PM) [snapback]1721335[/snapback]
And, yes. Memphis Law says that the blade 6" or over is illegal, the blades of my Kunai are exactly 5 1/2" )

Anyway, like I was saying. I'm relatively harmless, so, yeah. I'm a big kitten. ( My Chinese Zodiac is the Tiger, my animal spirit to be exact is the White Tiger. )

As for other bad dreams? Not often, no. I have odd dreams, but I never have -bad- dreams. Not like this.
I have a Katana with a 2 1/2 foot blade...
gigantickitten
QUOTE(sadistic jellyfish of doom @ Jun 13 2007, 04:43 AM) [snapback]1721801[/snapback]
I have a Katana with a 2 1/2 foot blade...


I own many swords and various weapons as well, but they're all quite illegal to carry in public. I'd rather not incur the wrath of the MPD. They're big enough jerks as is. - Do you have any photographs of yours? Is it high quality or machine made?
rosenrot
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 13 2007, 12:36 AM) [snapback]1721788[/snapback]
But if they were spirits, well. I guess.. They do say you're more connected to the realm of spirits when you're asleep, I suppose. But why would they be chasing me? And why would they give me such an eerie feeling? And why do I continue to see them even today?

Again.. If they were guardian spirits, why would they give me the heebeejeebes?

By the way, don't feel bad. I know, I look threatening from first glance. I've been told I have too much intensity about me, it's not really something I intentionally do.

Ya, that hebejebe feeling you describe kinda leads me away from the idea that they are guardians.

And I don't think you look threatening. You have a kindness about you, even in pictures.

What you said about the sleeping and being in touch with the spirit world... Okay, here's my thoery on this. When we dream, not only does it open up portals to our minds and the spirit world, but it also allows us to communicate with our other selves in the numerous different dimensions (according to membrane thoery). What might have happened with you and these women is in that one dream you were able to communcate with another you in another dimension. When you see these women, there is a slip in the membranes between dimensions. Maybe in another dimension they are friends of yours. I'm just spouting off ideas.... crazy ones, but ideas nonetheless.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 13 2007, 05:16 AM) [snapback]1721850[/snapback]
Ya, that hebejebe feeling you describe kinda leads me away from the idea that they are guardians.

And I don't think you look threatening. You have a kindness about you, even in pictures.

What you said about the sleeping and being in touch with the spirit world... Okay, here's my thoery on this. When we dream, not only does it open up portals to our minds and the spirit world, but it also allows us to communicate with our other selves in the numerous different dimensions (according to membrane thoery). What might have happened with you and these women is in that one dream you were able to communcate with another you in another dimension. When you see these women, there is a slip in the membranes between dimensions. Maybe in another dimension they are friends of yours. I'm just spouting off ideas.... crazy ones, but ideas nonetheless.


Still, the questions remain and more crop up on that logic. Why chase me? Why are they so inhuman? Why do they seem so abnormally powerful? Why the embrace? Why and what did she whisper in my ear? Why ( Well, I'm assuming ) the kiss on the neck?

As for kindness, I try. I don't like people very much in real life, in fact. It's very unlikely that I ever speak a word or change expression less I were spoken to. I don't really trust others that much, from personal experience, people can be -very- cruel. I was always that kid in school that didn't even fit in with the nerds, so.. I'm a bit wary, but. Nonetheless, theres barely any person in this world that I could wish ill-will upon and even then.. For the one person in this world I do, I have great and many reasons for that. Straying from the path of Buddha a bit into the realms of anger. ( It's my birth father who I have nearly killed before - Sufficed to say, he's done so much that I can't forgive him. ) - Regardless of the way I feel about others, I am not above helping them, spreading friendliness, doing random and varied good deeds. Even if I do scare the buggers out of the occasional old-lady. I do my best, but. I'm not a person entirely without his dark side.
rosenrot
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 13 2007, 01:22 AM) [snapback]1721861[/snapback]
Still, the questions remain and more crop up on that logic. Why chase me? Why are they so inhuman? Why do they seem so abnormally powerful? Why the embrace? Why and what did she whisper in my ear? Why ( Well, I'm assuming ) the kiss on the neck?

As for kindness, I try. I don't like people very much in real life, in fact. It's very unlikely that I ever speak a word or change expression less I were spoken to. I don't really trust others that much, from personal experience, people can be -very- cruel. I was always that kid in school that didn't even fit in with the nerds, so.. I'm a bit wary, but. Nonetheless, theres barely any person in this world that I could wish ill-will upon and even then.. For the one person in this world I do, I have great and many reasons for that. Straying from the path of Buddha a bit into the realms of anger. ( It's my birth father who I have nearly killed before - Sufficed to say, he's done so much that I can't forgive him. ) - Regardless of the way I feel about others, I am not above helping them, spreading friendliness, doing random and varied good deeds. Even if I do scare the buggers out of the occasional old-lady. I do my best, but. I'm not a person entirely without his dark side.

Maybe some things aren't meant to be solved....

And I understand your not trusting people. (Maybe understand isn't the right word. More like I know that feeling. For a writer, I stink at putting words to my own thoughts.) I've had some betrayals in my life that left me very wary of people.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 13 2007, 05:43 AM) [snapback]1721893[/snapback]
Maybe some things aren't meant to be solved....

And I understand your not trusting people. (Maybe understand isn't the right word. More like I know that feeling. For a writer, I stink at putting words to my own thoughts.) I've had some betrayals in my life that left me very wary of people.


Maybe not, but it doesn't mean I can't push and try to solve it in any way I possibly can. - And if it's not meant to be solved, why do I keep seeing them?
Ann
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 13 2007, 07:47 AM) [snapback]1722016[/snapback]
Maybe not, but it doesn't mean I can't push and try to solve it in any way I possibly can. - And if it's not meant to be solved, why do I keep seeing them?


If only these kind of questions were easy to answer!

Were you always so bothered by this dream or has it gotten worse lately?

I appreciate your openness in this thread, so I hope you won't mind if I delve into something a bit else.

You are 20, which, trust me, is very young. You practice spirituality through your martial art and maybe in other ways as well. However, life has much more to offer you right now. You didn't mention if you go to school or have a job. I realize your life has not been easy, but it doesn't mean it has to always be like this.

Those three women are a disturbing presence in your life and I can fully understand why something like that would bother you so much. I can't say why you are hunted by them, but I can offer some advice on how to stay strong in the face of things we don't understand – to stay optimistic and to keep on building your life.

Don't let this thinking about those women distract you from your life. Knives may protect you from humans, but it's your inner strength that will protect you from other things. You're obviously talented and capable of mastering an art – use what your potential can give you and strive to achieve what you want. The answer to those three women might come to you only when you're ready. And in any case, your inner strength from living fully will help you face whatever it might be.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(Ann @ Jun 13 2007, 09:24 PM) [snapback]1723057[/snapback]
If only these kind of questions were easy to answer!

Were you always so bothered by this dream or has it gotten worse lately?

I appreciate your openness in this thread, so I hope you won't mind if I delve into something a bit else.

You are 20, which, trust me, is very young. You practice spirituality through your martial art and maybe in other ways as well. However, life has much more to offer you right now. You didn't mention if you go to school or have a job. I realize your life has not been easy, but it doesn't mean it has to always be like this.

Those three women are a disturbing presence in your life and I can fully understand why something like that would bother you so much. I can't say why you are hunted by them, but I can offer some advice on how to stay strong in the face of things we don't understand – to stay optimistic and to keep on building your life.

Don't let this thinking about those women distract you from your life. Knives may protect you from humans, but it's your inner strength that will protect you from other things. You're obviously talented and capable of mastering an art – use what your potential can give you and strive to achieve what you want. The answer to those three women might come to you only when you're ready. And in any case, your inner strength from living fully will help you face whatever it might be.


It's gotten worse lately. Over the past three years or so it's really come back with a vengeance haunting me and bothering me - I'm currently unemployed, but there are reasons behind that. Right now I'm keeping busy with primarily spending every day honing my art and training. ( Although I do have one application out for the local Zoo )

To tell the truth? I've never really been a 'normal' kid, if anything ( Not meaning to sound egotistical ) I've always been ahead of my times with views on things, opinions, thoughts, and generally the way I went around things. I never had or have had any friends in my life and, well. Thats actually just fine with me because I've never been tempted to stray down any path that I myself did not choose. Which means that I didn't ever have to deal with peer pressure or anything like that. Worrying about it taking me to a place I didn't want to be. ( And if you're wondering, yes. That means I am a virgin. And while some may mock me, I'm quite proud of it. I hold my status as an individual in high regards and believe that I should not degrade myself or something special like that by just being careless with it. If I ever were to do anything, it would be with someone -very- special. Which I don't see happening, because.. At twenty, I've never been in a relationship, and.. Well.. I'm not in a hurry, I don't really care. Come what will, I'm not going to expend energy trying to lock myself into a relationship. )

I'm not letting them distract me, I'm just constantly brought back to the thought and frustrated at having no answer. Anything in my life I've always achieved through iron will and persistence. If there was a technique, form, style, or move that I could not pull off right away, I would put myself through Hell to figure out how to do it. ( Perfect example is one of the more difficult kicks. )

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This kick was a difficult one for me to learn. Took me quite a few days of doing it non stop and screwing up. Basically either ending up smashing into the dirt on my face or bashing my body so hard against the ground that I bounced. It wasn't pleasant, but It'll give you an idea of how I am. I don't stop because 'it hurts', thats an excuse for those who don't have the will or the warriors heart to achieve something like this. Pain is just a part of it. If you can't endure pain you put upon yourself, how will you ever achieve anything in this field? -

The kick starts from a corkscrew in the air. As soon as you land, on one leg you bring your body up and use your hands to suddenly propel yourself into the air. Your leg off the ground is used to whip around to create momentum and you jump into the air. Immediately in the air you whip your leg in a kick and thrust both hands so that in the spin your entire body is guarded. Defensively and offensively. - And it's a very difficult move to master. Particularly landing.. And, believe me. I've had my share of painful landings. -

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You bone up a spin and hit the ground on your side, it hurts. Horrible hurt. Like every bone in your body smashing together hurt.

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And if you'll notice, I've also gone the extra length to wearing weighted clothing. Those things on my ankles? They were ten LBS - I've gone up to twenty now. Thats ten for each ankle at current. It's the way I am, I won't be limited by what normal people can do. I want to exceed and break through and be more than just another person. - I'm driven to succeed and I'm driven to perfect and understand far more than your normal person..

Because of this.. My focus on this subject has been very intense. I can't stand not knowing what they are or why. And I can't stand the idea of just accepting it. I want to know, I just don't know how. I come here looking for opinions, because.. Of course. People have said some interesting things that make me ponder new idea's that I did not before. Which helps.. Anyway.. I hope this helps with the subject a bit.

Feel free to prod me for more answers or to make more comments. I await further responses.
rosenrot
You are a very interesting person. This makes me think that something has attached itself to you. You are abnormal. Maybe you have something they want. Because these feelings have increased, maybe it means that they are getting ready to take it.

What other abnormal or supernatural things have you encountered over the years?

And is it possible that these three women are simply one entity that expresses itself as a trio?
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 14 2007, 02:48 AM) [snapback]1723586[/snapback]
You are a very interesting person. This makes me think that something has attached itself to you. You are abnormal. Maybe you have something they want. Because these feelings have increased, maybe it means that they are getting ready to take it.

What other abnormal or supernatural things have you encountered over the years?

And is it possible that these three women are simply one entity that expresses itself as a trio?


What would attach itself to me? And why? What do they want and by "take it" you mean by force? - To tell the truth, I'm not all that keen about that. I don't like the way that sounds and I think it's something that could turn to happen, but if I can, I will defend myself. Well, I shouldn't say if I can I should more say that I will do everything I can. Still, what would they want from me that they could take?

Abnormal and supernatural experiences? In the years I've trained, I've worked on raising my power spiritually. Allowing my Chakra to flow freely, if you would. Focusing it and learning to control that energy that is in each human being. One of the things I have focused on greatly has been my Ajna Chakra which is the Third Eye. ( Direct perception, intuition, visualization, concentration, Self-mastery, and Extra Sensory Perception. ) something that during my training has revealed things to me that others cannot see or sense. For instance, the hospital. I spent a lot of time in the hospital during my fathers last years. - In that time a good majority was spent in the ICU and it was non too enjoyable. I could not only feel the line between life and death in the area, but I could see others that were not there or that were there and could not be seen by others. Most people do not believe me when I tell them something like this, which is why I keep it to myself. I try not to stare at these things that I can see, but often and a few times it happens.. My eyes would follow them without my really realizing it.

To explain it a little more, at all times that I am aware.. Or want to be. I have what can be explained as a 360 degree sight. So to speak that regardless of not having eyes in the back of my head, the third eye can see everything. I can sense, hear, and feel everything around and behind me. Allowing me to make a mental video in the back of my mind.. Not just normal things I notice either.

Of course although this is the one I focus on most because I feel it aids me best, on some days between I will take the time to train my other -

Sahasrara ( Union,Bliss , Sense of empathy ), Viśuddha ( Creativity, communication, expression, eloquence, Intuition, synthesis, hearing ), Anāhata ( Love, wisdom, stability, perseverance, mental patience and equilibrium, or pleasure, Compassion, Touch ), Maṇipūra ( Will, determination, assertion, personal power, laughter, joy, anger, sight ) - ( This is another one of the Chakra that I focus more than the others. Although I may feel good will towards most, my life has left me with a boiling rage that can only be explained as a horrifyingly ruthless feeling. As I said, towards the one man who I could kill with my bare hands and feel no remorse, my 'birth father' - There have only been a handful of times when even a quarter of this has escaped me and it has been maddening. A feeling of utter insanity and god-like strength. You see, I am adopted. My parents, Father, and my Mother are my grandparents. Those are the two that raised me, they are who I consider my true parents. Not my 'birth parents', they are nothing. I was abandoned with I was young, both of my 'birth parents' were druggies. Neither thought anything of spawning me into a world that didn't want me and a world where I should not have been. My 'birth mother' vanished and my 'birth father' remained, causing me endless pain. You see.. Through life, I have given him chance after chance to change his ways. When I was younger, he would say that he was coming to get me. I would wait outside for hours for him to come pick me up so that I could spend time with him, like any child. I was stupid and fond of him. Each time the same excuse came. "I was busy", (Off doing drugs) - When finally I got tired. The first time I cut contact for several weeks until he begged forgiveness. Of course, being a child.. I also had no concept of the way the world worked, so.. I stupidly accepted and brought more pain. Each time he would screw up, he would claim change, and then he would do something else. Once, I even was left with the decision of whether I wanted him to be allowed to live in our house ( He was homeless at the time ) or to turn him away. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and allowed him to move in. ( My choice entirely as a child. ) and.. In response to that, one night. He got drunk, let his friends break into the garage, and stole many priceless things of my parents including one of my fathers fathers pearl handled pistols. (I don't care for guns, but this was a piece that meant a lot to my father, of course.) - They tried to keep what happened from me and lied to me telling me they didn't know who did it, but the day it happened, I of course figured it out. - More pain has come from him than any other source in my life. Finally over the past few years, I decided that I would give him a final chance. I moved in with him in Florida to give him another chance. It was utter Hell. He became worse than he had ever been. He beat me, demoralized me, told me that I was worthless, and exploded on me over the smallest things that had nothing to do with me. In that time I became suicidal and self destructive. - When I finally moved back in with my parents after I got away from him, I began to snap out of it. I began to realize more and more the way the world worked.. It is not a pretty place, life is not what you make of it, and more bad will come than good.. But.. One thing always echoed through my mind. "The strong survive while the weak will die out", as rough as it sounds, it's a very true statement. The weak of the world will be engulfed by these feelings and become useless and mundane, the strong will rise above it, use it to their advantage, and become powerful and truly special. The time that I realized these things was the time that my rage and hatred began to manifest itself in disturbing ways. I became a darker person and began to hate everything, I was losing a fight.. Then, one day. When he was egging me on, trying to act tough, and calling me out. Saying.. "Lets go outside", I finally responded, and I said "LETS. I'm done allowing you to push me around." - Outside he began to taunt me, push me, and tried to get me to attack him. Not wanting to take a violent approach, but wanting to make a point, I jumped at him in a bluff-shot. He jumped back and seemed to freak out, I stood straight, smirked, and simply said "As I had surmised." - When I turned to walk away from him and to go back inside, intending to leave it behind me, he suddenly began to hit me from behind. Punching me over and over in the back and the back of the head. At that moment, I felt something bubbling up inside me. So I calmly huddled against the door, covered my head, and continued to take his blows. Suddenly, I snapped. I felt something in my head just go "CRACK!" - I felt as if demons were stirring inside of me, as if evil incarnate had taken over my body. I yelled in rage, turned, and with one punch, I sent him flying through the garage door, breaking the lock from the hinges, busting the door open, and knocking him onto the floor. Instantly, I calmed myself and turned away to retreat inside, of course.. Disturbed by the feeling. I had never been a violent person, it was the first time I had ever struck anyone. - That was the end of that altercation, but one more came before he stopped all together. One night he came in, and ahead of time we had established that he was not so much as to speak to me, let alone address me. I had cut off all ties with him and was done. I wanted nothing more to do with him, the hate was too strong to allow him to cause me any more pain. I felt that it had reached the point that I very well may lose my mind if it continued. He demanded the phone from me, in a bad mood, and began to get in my face. Threatening me and all that, so.. I just smirked and tossed the phone down, deciding to leave it at that. Stood again, started to walk out of the room, and he grabbed me by my hair. He pushed me against the table in between my mother and fathers chairs and began to bludgeon me in the back of the head with the phone. I calmly stepped back on his foot, threw my fist backwards, hit him in the face, and when he let loose, grabbed him by the arms and swung him down to the ground. The scary part was. The rage was there, but.. It had manifested itself so fully that it wasn't me controlling my body, my body moved off it's own will. It was ruthless and it was too wrong feeling. In an instant I had my hand around his throat, holding him on all fours, with my fingers dug into the side. I held him down and began to speak.. In what sounded like two voices to me. I seemed to be watching myself from the outside looking in. One growling overlaying my own voice. "If you EVER ****ing touch me again, I WILL RIP YOUR THROAT OUT WITH MY BARE HANDS!" - I spat in his face, and catching control of myself, pulled my hands away and walked off. The final time that he ever approached me again. So far, at least. - That would be just two times that this rage has gotten out even a quarter of the way, the most recent time was in July of 06 when my father past away, at his viewing.. For some reason, for the longest time. I was blocked up. Nothing would flow, I was like a rag doll, I wouldn't accept or admit that he was gone. And when I saw his body, everything suddenly started flowing again. I lost control and ran out of the room and into the street. I put a twelve inch hole in the ground, screaming, and crying as I punched the ground. Totally unable to stop myself.. It's a horrible feeling having that much pain and hatred.. Seventeen years of anger, hatred, pain, sorrow, everything bad building up and forcing it down inside me to my deepest darkest regions.. Then to have it exploded out like that. It felt like my mind slipped, like I nearly went insane.. And I fear the next time worst of all. When my mother passes, I actually question if there will be anything of me left. - This is one of my darkest secrets that I will openly share with anyone here that cares, to help you understand me better. ), Svādhiṣṭhāna ( Creativity, sexual energy (for women), desire, pleasure, Stability, self confidence, well-being, taste ), Mūlādhāra ( Survival, grounding, sexuality (for men), stability, smell )

To elaborate on the reason why I am not working right now, these are some of the reasons. I am still dealing with myself, I am not a perfect person, I wouldn't claim to be. My training is how I express myself, the Martial Arts are my passion, and I am balancing myself out - For the normal person, this is not going to make any sense. But I'm not like everyone else, I don't know what to call myself.

As for the women? I have no idea. They defy all my reason and attempts to make reason of them - Thats why I'm here asking others for help in unraveling this.
Ann
I have to go to work, but I wanted to check on you before I leave the house. So this is going to be short, I'm sorry.

I wasn't passing judgment on you for not working, I completely understand. And feeling all that anger and hate for the people that hurt you is completely human.

From what I understand, you are more sensitive to things than most, and that makes everything a lot harder. However, you need to talk so someone and get those things out. This has two sides to it – your abilities and your mental state. And they feed on each other. An internet forum has its limitations and delving into thinking about an entity you are not sure about and so are inviting it back into your life, while not being completely stable emotionally is not a good idea .

Maybe you can take a few minutes of peace and quiet, and try to imagine what you want – a full picture of a positive, happy you. What are you doing? Where are you living? What are you wearing? What are you feeling? Let your imagination go, you are the only one that will know what's in it. Now, think of what you need to do in order to get to that state. All big things start with little steps, as you already know.

And don't take this the wrong way – but you should talk to someone who can listen and help you "clean" your emotional house, so to speak. That's why those people are there for.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(Ann @ Jun 14 2007, 09:49 AM) [snapback]1723916[/snapback]
I have to go to work, but I wanted to check on you before I leave the house. So this is going to be short, I'm sorry.

I wasn't passing judgment on you for not working, I completely understand. And feeling all that anger and hate for the people that hurt you is completely human.

From what I understand, you are more sensitive to things than most, and that makes everything a lot harder. However, you need to talk so someone and get those things out. This has two sides to it – your abilities and your mental state. And they feed on each other. An internet forum has its limitations and delving into thinking about an entity you are not sure about and so are inviting it back into your life, while not being completely stable emotionally is not a good idea .

Maybe you can take a few minutes of peace and quiet, and try to imagine what you want – a full picture of a positive, happy you. What are you doing? Where are you living? What are you wearing? What are you feeling? Let your imagination go, you are the only one that will know what's in it. Now, think of what you need to do in order to get to that state. All big things start with little steps, as you already know.

And don't take this the wrong way – but you should talk to someone who can listen and help you "clean" your emotional house, so to speak. That's why those people are there for.


I think you're underestimating my capacity quite a bit. - I'm fine the way I am, I don't need anyone else to help me with my mental baggage, and in fact.. There really is no one that can. I very seriously doubt that there is anyone in this world that fully understands me and if there by some freak chance were, they are probably too few and far between for me to ever meet. Life is something you have to deal with on your own. I don't need the crutch of psychiatry to help me through my problems and I'm not really looking for anyones opinions or input on my personal life, I'm just making it known so everyone can get to know me better. The only thing I'm seeking assistance on are the odd happenings that this thread is specifically designed to address.

As for what I want? Nothing is that easy. The world isn't black and white.
Mabon
Gigantic Kitten,

I've read your thread from the beginning and have to wonder if you really need help/advice from someone else? Don't take that wrong it sounds like you've had a hard time growing up but have grown up well through it. Sounds like others might need to seek advice from you about trying to maintain their calm when faced with adversity. original.gif

You already understand what is (IMHO) one of the hardest lessons to learn the world is neither good nor evil, it's what you make of it. You have already looked inside yourself and understand the duality which is human nature (aka darker side). As I'm sure you already figured out, it isn't necessarily evil but is the primal aspect, the side of us that reacts to situations. Through your martial arts training you've already been learning all about training the mind and the body to act as one not to react but allowing the higher-self to channel those impulses toward a better result.

I do understand the other poster saying that you might want to talk with someone your experiences/traumas of childhood. Not everyone can recover on their own but some can. You may indeed be one of those but only you know for sure. Depending on the situation and the person, a therapist of one type or another is only going to confirm whether or not you've handled it well yourself.

But to your original post...
Years ago I too had a dream that involved these women. (or women of striking similarity).

My dream was of someone I didn't know personally but was a famous musician. At the time he was very ill and on the verge of dying I didn't know it then (my husband and I were living abroad and I was sort of cut off from American culture and gossip of the stars etc. No entertainment tonight.) This man and his music had and still continues to be a source of inspiration and comfort to me so I guess this is what made the dream connection possible.

In my dream I could see the man and could tell that he was very distressed. He seemed to be in the void (the place of nothing, no stars only blackness) and these women had surrounded him, each had a hold of one of his arms or legs. For in my dream there were four a blond (very pale skin with a blue cast to it and bright yellow, flaxen hair, the color of corn silk) a redhead (also white skin with a coral cast to it, her hair was very bright the color was almost orange-ish) a brunette (her skin was a little darker she seemed to be brown all over but the color of her skin had a whiteness to it. Hard to describe.) and a woman with black hair (her hair was true black or blue black. and her skin also had a black cast to it but looked powered) Egads! I hope those descriptions made sense. The four women were wearing the same type dress, a gauzy material that resembled silk. Only in my dream it was cream colored and more like a Roman toga.

I seemed to get closer to him in the void and could sense his fear and distress. He couldn't see me or understand that I was there, I am not even sure if he was aware of their presence either, considering that he was so terrified. They were aware of my presence but didn't think me a threat.
Somehow I managed to get into the body(?) of the redhead. (I guess that you could say that I took possession of her body, so to speak) And the fear of this man which before was bad but coming in contact with him was staggering.
It was then I could fully understand his thoughts and he was terrified of dying. He knew he was dying and just couldn't shake the fear of it. The fear of the void the fear of the unknown was a large and looming reality for him and one he didn't know if he had the courage to face it. I told him as gently as I could not to be afraid, that everything would be all right. He had nothing to fear from death. This got the womens attention and the next thing I knew I was sitting up in bed.

There was no gentle waking up or switch to another dream but boom! wide awake. This was the only time I've ever had a dream involving the women but I didn't care for them. I don't think that they meant any good for him and didn't take kindly to my interference in what they were doing.
The man in question died within days of me dreaming this. Even though his illness hadn't made it to where we were his death did. I have to admit my husband thought that it was strange when we heard about his death because I had told him of my dream. At the time he was inclined to write it off as 'just a dream' after neither of us were so sure.

What are the women??? I personally, don't think that they are harbingers of death, I think that they were exploiting his fear for their gain. I'm sure that there is a Jungian archetype to cover this I'm just not sure what it is. LOL!
Most likely the devouring Mother aspect or something. Thinking something that is supposed to nurture you is consuming you or another? I don't know. I didn't like their presence..... didn't trust it..... still don't.
I can't tell you what they are but what they acted like (in my dream) is a psychic vampire feeding off the fear of a victim.

The only thing that I can suggest that you do is to keep a dream journal if you don't already. A dream journal is a very useful tool. Write down your dreams as soon as you wake up in as much detail as you can. Include color, smell, time of year basically everything that you can about your dream. With a dream journal you'll be able to go back and see if there are repeating dreams, waking/lucid dreams, precognitive dreams and the cycles of your dreams.There are several books and sites on the net to help you understand them.... But I don't think they covered this one or I'd be able to give you and myself an answer to this one. I have just as many questions as you do. It was rather strange to read someone else encountering the same or similar women(?).

Regards,
Mabon.
Mme Mel
@Gigantic Kitten
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Still, the questions remain and more crop up on that logic. Why chase me? Why are they so inhuman? Why do they seem so abnormally powerful? Why the embrace? Why and what did she whisper in my ear? Why ( Well, I'm assuming ) the kiss on the neck?


There are scattered reports of encounters similar to yours, one came from a Robert Monroe, who became slightly famous for his Astral Journeys. In this archetype of experience, there are two or three entities who can appear to be someone you know, or not. They generally appear to be of the opposite sex. Robert Monroe had two daughters, they took that form for him.

But whatever they look like to you, there are common factors. They always go for the neck and shoulders. And they seem illogically powerful; that may be because in this other world they are stronger spiritually than the average human, or maybe because they are robbing you of your energies.

I'm not sure if anyone has ever figured out what they are. But they seem similar to a part of buddhist allegory, where things personified as "monkeys" also attack from behind, at the neck and shoulders.

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WhatTha?
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 14 2007, 06:14 AM) [snapback]1723790[/snapback]
What would attach itself to me? And why? What do they want and by "take it" you mean by force? - To tell the truth, I'm not all that keen about that. I don't like the way that sounds and I think it's something that could turn to happen, but if I can, I will defend myself. Well, I shouldn't say if I can I should more say that I will do everything I can. Still, what would they want from me that they could take?

Abnormal and supernatural experiences? In the years I've trained, I've worked on raising my power spiritually. Allowing my Chakra to flow freely, if you would. Focusing it and learning to control that energy that is in each human being. One of the things I have focused on greatly has been my Ajna Chakra which is the Third Eye. ( Direct perception, intuition, visualization, concentration, Self-mastery, and Extra Sensory Perception. ) something that during my training has revealed things to me that others cannot see or sense. For instance, the hospital. I spent a lot of time in the hospital during my fathers last years. - In that time a good majority was spent in the ICU and it was non too enjoyable. I could not only feel the line between life and death in the area, but I could see others that were not there or that were there and could not be seen by others. Most people do not believe me when I tell them something like this, which is why I keep it to myself. I try not to stare at these things that I can see, but often and a few times it happens.. My eyes would follow them without my really realizing it.

To explain it a little more, at all times that I am aware.. Or want to be. I have what can be explained as a 360 degree sight. So to speak that regardless of not having eyes in the back of my head, the third eye can see everything. I can sense, hear, and feel everything around and behind me. Allowing me to make a mental video in the back of my mind.. Not just normal things I notice either.

Of course although this is the one I focus on most because I feel it aids me best, on some days between I will take the time to train my other -

Sahasrara ( Union,Bliss , Sense of empathy ), ViÅ›uddha ( Creativity, communication, expression, eloquence, Intuition, synthesis, hearing ), AnÄhata ( Love, wisdom, stability, perseverance, mental patience and equilibrium, or pleasure, Compassion, Touch ), MaṇipÅ«ra ( Will, determination, assertion, personal power, laughter, joy, anger, sight ) - ( This is another one of the Chakra that I focus more than the others. Although I may feel good will towards most, my life has left me with a boiling rage that can only be explained as a horrifyingly ruthless feeling. As I said, towards the one man who I could kill with my bare hands and feel no remorse, my 'birth father' - There have only been a handful of times when even a quarter of this has escaped me and it has been maddening. A feeling of utter insanity and god-like strength. You see, I am adopted. My parents, Father, and my Mother are my grandparents. Those are the two that raised me, they are who I consider my true parents. Not my 'birth parents', they are nothing. I was abandoned with I was young, both of my 'birth parents' were druggies. Neither thought anything of spawning me into a world that didn't want me and a world where I should not have been. My 'birth mother' vanished and my 'birth father' remained, causing me endless pain. You see.. Through life, I have given him chance after chance to change his ways. When I was younger, he would say that he was coming to get me. I would wait outside for hours for him to come pick me up so that I could spend time with him, like any child. I was stupid and fond of him. Each time the same excuse came. "I was busy", (Off doing drugs) - When finally I got tired. The first time I cut contact for several weeks until he begged forgiveness. Of course, being a child.. I also had no concept of the way the world worked, so.. I stupidly accepted and brought more pain. Each time he would screw up, he would claim change, and then he would do something else. Once, I even was left with the decision of whether I wanted him to be allowed to live in our house ( He was homeless at the time ) or to turn him away. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and allowed him to move in. ( My choice entirely as a child. ) and.. In response to that, one night. He got drunk, let his friends break into the garage, and stole many priceless things of my parents including one of my fathers fathers pearl handled pistols. (I don't care for guns, but this was a piece that meant a lot to my father, of course.) - They tried to keep what happened from me and lied to me telling me they didn't know who did it, but the day it happened, I of course figured it out. - More pain has come from him than any other source in my life. Finally over the past few years, I decided that I would give him a final chance. I moved in with him in Florida to give him another chance. It was utter Hell. He became worse than he had ever been. He beat me, demoralized me, told me that I was worthless, and exploded on me over the smallest things that had nothing to do with me. In that time I became suicidal and self destructive. - When I finally moved back in with my parents after I got away from him, I began to snap out of it. I began to realize more and more the way the world worked.. It is not a pretty place, life is not what you make of it, and more bad will come than good.. But.. One thing always echoed through my mind. "The strong survive while the weak will die out", as rough as it sounds, it's a very true statement. The weak of the world will be engulfed by these feelings and become useless and mundane, the strong will rise above it, use it to their advantage, and become powerful and truly special. The time that I realized these things was the time that my rage and hatred began to manifest itself in disturbing ways. I became a darker person and began to hate everything, I was losing a fight.. Then, one day. When he was egging me on, trying to act tough, and calling me out. Saying.. "Lets go outside", I finally responded, and I said "LETS. I'm done allowing you to push me around." - Outside he began to taunt me, push me, and tried to get me to attack him. Not wanting to take a violent approach, but wanting to make a point, I jumped at him in a bluff-shot. He jumped back and seemed to freak out, I stood straight, smirked, and simply said "As I had surmised." - When I turned to walk away from him and to go back inside, intending to leave it behind me, he suddenly began to hit me from behind. Punching me over and over in the back and the back of the head. At that moment, I felt something bubbling up inside me. So I calmly huddled against the door, covered my head, and continued to take his blows. Suddenly, I snapped. I felt something in my head just go "CRACK!" - I felt as if demons were stirring inside of me, as if evil incarnate had taken over my body. I yelled in rage, turned, and with one punch, I sent him flying through the garage door, breaking the lock from the hinges, busting the door open, and knocking him onto the floor. Instantly, I calmed myself and turned away to retreat inside, of course.. Disturbed by the feeling. I had never been a violent person, it was the first time I had ever struck anyone. - That was the end of that altercation, but one more came before he stopped all together. One night he came in, and ahead of time we had established that he was not so much as to speak to me, let alone address me. I had cut off all ties with him and was done. I wanted nothing more to do with him, the hate was too strong to allow him to cause me any more pain. I felt that it had reached the point that I very well may lose my mind if it continued. He demanded the phone from me, in a bad mood, and began to get in my face. Threatening me and all that, so.. I just smirked and tossed the phone down, deciding to leave it at that. Stood again, started to walk out of the room, and he grabbed me by my hair. He pushed me against the table in between my mother and fathers chairs and began to bludgeon me in the back of the head with the phone. I calmly stepped back on his foot, threw my fist backwards, hit him in the face, and when he let loose, grabbed him by the arms and swung him down to the ground. The scary part was. The rage was there, but.. It had manifested itself so fully that it wasn't me controlling my body, my body moved off it's own will. It was ruthless and it was too wrong feeling. In an instant I had my hand around his throat, holding him on all fours, with my fingers dug into the side. I held him down and began to speak.. In what sounded like two voices to me. I seemed to be watching myself from the outside looking in. One growling overlaying my own voice. "If you EVER ****ing touch me again, I WILL RIP YOUR THROAT OUT WITH MY BARE HANDS!" - I spat in his face, and catching control of myself, pulled my hands away and walked off. The final time that he ever approached me again. So far, at least. - That would be just two times that this rage has gotten out even a quarter of the way, the most recent time was in July of 06 when my father past away, at his viewing.. For some reason, for the longest time. I was blocked up. Nothing would flow, I was like a rag doll, I wouldn't accept or admit that he was gone. And when I saw his body, everything suddenly started flowing again. I lost control and ran out of the room and into the street. I put a twelve inch hole in the ground, screaming, and crying as I punched the ground. Totally unable to stop myself.. It's a horrible feeling having that much pain and hatred.. Seventeen years of anger, hatred, pain, sorrow, everything bad building up and forcing it down inside me to my deepest darkest regions.. Then to have it exploded out like that. It felt like my mind slipped, like I nearly went insane.. And I fear the next time worst of all. When my mother passes, I actually question if there will be anything of me left. - This is one of my darkest secrets that I will openly share with anyone here that cares, to help you understand me better. ), SvÄdhiṣṭhÄna ( Creativity, sexual energy (for women), desire, pleasure, Stability, self confidence, well-being, taste ), MÅ«lÄdhÄra ( Survival, grounding, sexuality (for men), stability, smell )

To elaborate on the reason why I am not working right now, these are some of the reasons. I am still dealing with myself, I am not a perfect person, I wouldn't claim to be. My training is how I express myself, the Martial Arts are my passion, and I am balancing myself out - For the normal person, this is not going to make any sense. But I'm not like everyone else, I don't know what to call myself.

As for the women? I have no idea. They defy all my reason and attempts to make reason of them - Thats why I'm here asking others for help in unraveling this.


Gigantickitten, as a rule, I bypass long posts. However, I keep returning to this thread, because your words hold me spellbound (and even breathless) as I read them. I am in awe. I am truly touched and inspired. Your strength comes through in your words. You are indeed a very unique young man.

You are right, laying on a therapist's couch would be a waste of your time (unless you would offer help to the therapist).

It appears to me that your only dilemma is solving the mystery of the recurring dream. What is the purpose of the dreams, and what message are you supposed to be getting... Your frustration at having no answers is understandable. Like trying to solve a Rubik's cube. No matter how you twist it and turn it, it just doesn't make sense.

The word "reincarnation" keeps coming to mind.
rosenrot
On the part about the going to a therapist, I agree with WhatTha. Therapists can only help you if you want them to. I know from experience. I am like you and would rather solve my problems on my own and through my own means. You are definatly strong enough to do this.

And this adds to the intregue, knowing that other people have had similar dreams. Maybe, as someone suggested, these women are psychic vampire. Maybe they have singled you out because of your strong energy.

Once again, good luck. And thanks for sharing.
gigantickitten
I really appreciate all the responses and while I know the responses suggesting something like outside help for my personal problems are suggested with good will in mind, I really have to say, no. That won't do anything for me. Now.. Let me try to answer the questions and respond as I can..

1. I already know what therapists basically are. People with fancy degree's that say they're smart when, really. They're not. They don't understand me, they can't understand me. I have a different type of spirit from these people living in the modern world. I've never lived the same way, I mean. That much is evident in my training - Because they can't understand me, they couldn't help me even if I wanted them to. Try as they might, they can't figure out how my mind works. Believe me.

2. Well, if they are any type of 'psychic vampires' or entities that mean me harm, I will switch myself from defense to a more offensive approach. If I can, I will defeat them. But not before I make sure and certain that they mean me harm, I'm not sure how I would go about doing that, but I'm sure the answer will arise somewhere along the line. - My body is my body, I worked hard to condition myself to the point that I am, my energy is not for them if that is indeed what they are doing. I will not allow them to take it if that is what they are trying to do.. And if thats true, then I just need to figure out a way to fight back.

3. Dream entities, yes. But.. Still, the question arises. Why do I see them in real life as well? As real as any other person, but they seem to be impossibly fast. I can't catch them no matter what. I've chased after them up buildings before and never been able to catch them.

4. Even a Buddhist has his limits. Rubiks cubes are where I draw the line and pull out the great sledgehammer of truth. Yeah, stand up to that. Annoying colorful cube.
WhatTha?
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 14 2007, 09:21 PM) [snapback]1724834[/snapback]
1. I already know what therapists basically are. People with fancy degree's that say they're smart when, really. They're not. They don't understand me, they can't understand me. I have a different type of spirit from these people living in the modern world. I've never lived the same way, I mean. That much is evident in my training - Because they can't understand me, they couldn't help me even if I wanted them to. Try as they might, they can't figure out how my mind works. Believe me.


Right on!

QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 14 2007, 09:21 PM) [snapback]1724834[/snapback]
4. Even a Buddhist has his limits. Rubiks cubes are where I draw the line and pull out the great sledgehammer of truth. Yeah, stand up to that. Annoying colorful cube.


Oh... my... God... I am so in awe!
Ann
I'm sorry I couldn't offer you any help. But please remember – you have a responsibility here. You learn martial art, you have unsolved anger issues, you are hunted by something you can not understand and you carry a knife. You might not mean to hurt someone else or yourself, but you just might.

I don't underestimate you, but I don't underestimate the situation either. I didn't use the word therapist, just suggested that you share this with someone. If you have a martial art instructor, a fellow martial art buddy, some spiritual guide that you trust, an uncle. You need an outlet other than physical pain or high.

Even if all this thread is one big joke – there is always a grain of truth somewhere. Please, just consider it.
rosenrot
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 14 2007, 05:21 PM) [snapback]1724834[/snapback]
4. Even a Buddhist has his limits. Rubiks cubes are where I draw the line and pull out the great sledgehammer of truth. Yeah, stand up to that. Annoying colorful cube.

I'm with you on that one. But I perfer to use an axe.

But back to our questions. These women (or just a single entity manfesting three forms) being psychic vampires could explain why you are never able to catch them. Vampire are supposed to have superhuman abilities. But I am curious to hear if any other people have bad similar experiences...

Oh and have you seen Rubiks cubes like the last two on the right?
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WhatTha?
QUOTE(Ann @ Jun 14 2007, 10:31 PM) [snapback]1724958[/snapback]
I'm sorry I couldn't offer you any help. But please remember – you have a responsibility here. You learn martial art, you have unsolved anger issues, you are hunted by something you can not understand and you carry a knife. You might not mean to hurt someone else or yourself, but you just might.

I don't underestimate you, but I don't underestimate the situation either. I didn't use the word therapist, just suggested that you share this with someone. If you have a martial art instructor, a fellow martial art buddy, some spiritual guide that you trust, an uncle. You need an outlet other than physical pain or high.

Even if all this thread is one big joke – there is always a grain of truth somewhere. Please, just consider it.


Hi Ann. No disrespect intended, but I have VERY GOOD insight and instincts, and they tell me gigantickitten has a VERY firm grip on his anger, thanks to his wisdom beyond his years, along with his training, and his extreme mastery of self-control. I feel CERTAIN there's NO WAY gigantickitten would EVER hurt anyone else (or himself).

As a matter of fact, gigantickitten actually IS sharing this with someone else. "US."

Oh my.... There's just no way this thread is a joke.......

That's my take on it.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(WhatTha? @ Jun 14 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]1724981[/snapback]
Hi Ann. No disrespect intended, but I have VERY GOOD insight and instincts, and they tell me gigantickitten has a VERY firm grip on his anger, thanks to his wisdom beyond his years, along with his training, and his extreme mastery of self-control. I feel CERTAIN there's NO WAY gigantickitten would EVER hurt anyone else (or himself).

As a matter of fact, gigantickitten actually IS sharing this with someone else. "US."

Oh my.... There's just no way this thread is a joke.......

That's my take on it.


Yeah, it's not, and I do. I wouldn't hurt a fly unless I were really left no other choice. As I've said, the only person I could harm is my birth father and he's done enough to deserve it. Although, Ann. While I hope you don't mean it the way you're coming off, you're seeming a little insulting. But, still. To each their own. If you feel that way, thats your right as a human being. I won't stop you or hold it against you.

On the subject of "Psychic Vampires", I'm not entirely versed in this category, but I was to assume that Psychic Vampires were just regular people that had the ability or learned how to leach from another persons aura? Where these girls seem to vanish into thin air, which makes little sense. - Super natural abilities or not, I move faster than what most people consider possible and I sprint like an Olympic Athlete to put it quite simply. Those weights on my body are there for a reason and when I take them off, you'd see exactly why. - When I've pursued them each time, I've dropped my weights on the ground. All of them. And I've gone after them at full speed. The only way they could of gotten away is if they went faster than a car could go. I mean to just vanish around a corner like that completely baffles me.

There were some suggestions I suppose that were aiming at "Why not just leave it be and let them do what they want?" or something like that? Well, I'm not entirely comfortable with that idea. Thats like letting your guard down around Hannibal Lecter with BBQ sauce on your throat. - Just NOT the greatest idea in the world. If these entities, girls, Vampires, whatever they are mean me harm - Well, I'm really not all too keen about the whole "let them sneak up behind you" approach.

Onto the Rubiks Cube? Yes, I've seen those. Those are the most retarded things ever made. Who possibly has the time to do those or would even want to? - I should rephrase my answer earlier. If someone gave me a Rubiks Cube like that, yes. I could probably harm them. :-P
Mme Mel
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 15 2007, 01:44 AM) [snapback]1725261[/snapback]
On the subject of "Psychic Vampires", I'm not entirely versed in this category, but I was to assume that Psychic Vampires were just regular people that had the ability or learned how to leach from another persons aura? Where these girls seem to vanish into thin air, which makes little sense. - Super natural abilities or not, I move faster than what most people consider possible and I sprint like an Olympic Athlete to put it quite simply. Those weights on my body are there for a reason and when I take them off, you'd see exactly why. - When I've pursued them each time, I've dropped my weights on the ground. All of them. And I've gone after them at full speed. The only way they could of gotten away is if they went faster than a car could go. I mean to just vanish around a corner like that completely baffles me.


Hello Giant Kitten,

I know someone who became pretty upset and kind of obsessed after his father died, and he really saw his father everywhere, faces in the crowd became his father's etc etc. You don't have to be seeing something that a camera could photograph for you to see it like it was real.

The way people have reported these *things*, they aren't in the physical world they're in the otherworld, you see them because they've connected themselves to you, the senses aren't distinguishing what's there from what you see here. And descriptions often say they've never been human, just soft squishy blobs that you see as something familiar.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(Mme Mel @ Jun 15 2007, 02:07 AM) [snapback]1725282[/snapback]
Hello Giant Kitten,

I know someone who became pretty upset and kind of obsessed after his father died, and he really saw his father everywhere, faces in the crowd became his father's etc etc. You don't have to be seeing something that a camera could photograph for you to see it like it was real.

The way people have reported these *things*, they aren't in the physical world they're in the otherworld, you see them because they've connected themselves to you, the senses aren't distinguishing what's there from what you see here. And descriptions often say they've never been human, just soft squishy blobs that you see as something familiar.


I don't know what you're saying here, but I don't know who they are, and I certainly don't think of them as familiar. - This has nothing to do with my fathers death, it's something else entirely. People are taking too much from that when I just told everyone here about it so that maybe they would understand me better. They're also not 'soft squishy blobs', in the dream, I remember that they felt very real. The blond that touched me, anyway. I could feel her hands, her arms, her breasts, her shoulders, her stomach, her lips, even the feel of her breath when she spoke into my ear, everything that was touching me was as if the dream were taking place in the real world.

The thing I'm trying to portray is that when I pursue them in real life, it's as if they're able to just disappear to get away from me. Which makes no sense. It's as if they are there, I see them, and then I feel them again, and I go after them. But by time I should be catching up with them and at least see them before they get away, they're already gone.
WhatTha?
I don't buy the psychic vampire theory. Actually I don't know what I buy. So I guess I don't buy anything, haha. But I do have a nagging thought about this.

At first I kept thinking "reincarnation" -- and I wondered if perhaps the three females were from a past life. I probably thought this due to the old-style town in your original dream, the cobblestone streets, and the old-fashioned dresses the females were wearing. It seems like another era, so reincarnation seemed to fit.

But now, more and more, another thought keeps nagging at me. I'm sure it's even more preposterous than psychic vampires and reincarnation, so bear with me...

I'm thinking "alien abduction"...... Wait! Don't laugh.

I've read some pretty facinating and convincing accounts of alien abduction. Foremost is renowned Harvard Psychiatrist John E. Mack, M.D.'s "Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens." (It'll make a believer out of you.)

I believe it's possible that aliens can abduct people, then hypnotize them into not only forgetting the abduction, but having "false memories."

Okay, shoot me down and call me silly, hah-hah.

But think about it for just a moment. People who are abducted by aliens claim to be revisited throughout their lives. And if you were hypnotized into having a false memory.....

Okay, I'll stop. Just another suggestion.

But here's one last thought. I think it's important to know what the blond whispered in your ear. Knowing what she whispered could be the "key"... Ever try self-hypnosis? It's easy. Just talk to your subconscious. As you're falling asleep, tell yourself when you awaken you will remember what the blond whispered to you. It's worth a try.

This is starting to drive even ME crazy, heh-heh.

(Edited to correct spelling)
gigantickitten
QUOTE(WhatTha? @ Jun 15 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]1725348[/snapback]
I don't buy the psychic vampire theory. Actually I don't know what I buy. So I guess I don't buy anything, haha. But I do have a nagging thought about this.

At first I kept thinking "reincarnation" -- and I wondered if perhaps the three females were from a past life. I probably thought this due to the old-style town in your original dream, the cobblestone streets, and the old-fashioned dresses the females were wearing. It seems like another era, so reincarnation seemed to fit.

But now, more and more, another thought keeps nagging at me. I'm sure it's even more preposterous than psychic vampires and reincarnation, so bear with me...

I'm thinking "alien abduction"...... Wait! Don't laugh.

I've read some pretty facinating and convincing accounts of alien abduction. Foremost is renowned Harvard Psychiatrist John E. Mack, M.D.'s "Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens." (It'll make a believer out of you.)

I believe it's possible that aliens can abduct people, then hypnotize them into not only forgetting the abduction, but having "false memories."

Okay, shoot me down and call me silly, hah-hah.

But think about it for just a moment. People who are abducted by aliens claim to be revisited throughout their lives. And if you were hypnotized into having a false memory.....

Okay, I'll stop. Just another suggestion.

But here's one last thought. I think it's important to know what the blond whispered in your ear. Knowing what she whispered could be the "key"... Ever try self-hypnosis? It's easy. Just talk to your subconscious. As you're falling asleep, tell yourself when you awaken you will remember what the blond whispered to you. It's worth a try.

This is starting to drive even ME crazy, heh-heh.

(Edited to correct spelling)


I'm open to a lot of things, but I really doubt 'alien abduction' - First of all, what would they need me for? What would aliens want to do with me? And don't people usually end up with weird implants, scars, or otherwise? All my scars I can remember where they came from. So, you know. I really and seriously doubt it.

Reincarnation? If these were past lives of mine, then why would there be three of them? Shouldn't it just be a single?

Again, why am I seeing them in the real world if this is the fact?
WhatTha?
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 15 2007, 03:18 AM) [snapback]1725367[/snapback]
I'm open to a lot of things, but I really doubt 'alien abduction' - First of all, what would they need me for? What would aliens want to do with me? And don't people usually end up with weird implants, scars, or otherwise? All my scars I can remember where they came from. So, you know. I really and seriously doubt it.

Reincarnation? If these were past lives of mine, then why would there be three of them? Shouldn't it just be a single?

Again, why am I seeing them in the real world if this is the fact?

Yeah, the alien thing was crap. Sorry.

About reincarnation. I didn't mean they were YOUR past lives. I meant that you knew them in a past life. That you are reincarnated, but in your past life, you knew these three females.

Actually none of my theories fits. I'm just tossing out crap. Sorry. I'm no help. I'm still trying to figure out what made the tracks in the snow, LOL!
Mme Mel
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 15 2007, 02:18 AM) [snapback]1725292[/snapback]
I don't know what you're saying here, but I don't know who they are, and I certainly don't think of them as familiar. - This has nothing to do with my fathers death, it's something else entirely. People are taking too much from that when I just told everyone here about it so that maybe they would understand me better. They're also not 'soft squishy blobs', in the dream, I remember that they felt very real. The blond that touched me, anyway. I could feel her hands, her arms, her breasts, her shoulders, her stomach, her lips, even the feel of her breath when she spoke into my ear, everything that was touching me was as if the dream were taking place in the real world.


I'm sorry. I was just using that person and his father as a real example. I just meant to say that when someone really gets under your skin, it can be possible.

Ever see movie "Galaxyguest"? One of the actors was attracted to one of the aliens and she seemed (to him) so very real and desirable. Except we the audience knew she looked like a hideous squid. One thing all the astral travellers say is that, there, things aren't always as they seem. These entities, whatever they are, can wrap themselves in images from your own mind, of them being women that you might desire. It can seem real, and they'll hide behind your illusions.

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The thing I'm trying to portray is that when I pursue them in real life, it's as if they're able to just disappear to get away from me. Which makes no sense. It's as if they are there, I see them, and then I feel them again, and I go after them. But by time I should be catching up with them and at least see them before they get away, they're already gone.


Shouldn't that show they aren't quite physically there?
gigantickitten
QUOTE(Mme Mel @ Jun 15 2007, 03:26 AM) [snapback]1725378[/snapback]
I'm sorry. I was just using that person and his father as a real example. I just meant to say that when someone really gets under your skin, it can be possible.

Ever see movie "Galaxyguest"? One of the actors was attracted to one of the aliens and she seemed (to him) so very real and desirable. Except we the audience knew she looked like a hideous squid. One thing all the astral travellers say is that, there, things aren't always as they seem. These entities, whatever they are, can wrap themselves in images from your own mind, of them being women that you might desire. It can seem real, and they'll hide behind your illusions.
Shouldn't that show they aren't quite physically there?


Never seen that movie, no. Theres a problem with your 'being woman that I might desire' theory and that is, that I really am not very sexually driven at all. Not in the way that most guys are, at least. I had a job previously at a local store and one of the things I noticed was all the guys were constantly looking at women and making comments on them while I was completely immersed in my work and didn't really listen to what they said. A couple of times they would comment and get my attention and go "Hey, dude. Isn't she a hottie?" and I'd basically go "Uh.. Yeah, whatever. I'm busy right now.. You know.. Doing my job, so. If you don't mind. I'd rather be left to my work, thanks." - I don't really look at people that way, the way others do. Seeing someone 'hot' or 'desirable' really doesn't happen to me.

I don't know how to explain it. I don't think I have fully explained it, just look at it this way. Any woman could come up to me, maybe she might be the most desired super model in all the world, and she could not seduce me. Simply off the fact that I don't find that kind of thing all that important. I say she was beautiful, because she was. But thats simply a statement, nothing more. No woman could do what they could do with the typical male to me just because it wouldn't work. The outside appearance means nothing to me. Literally. A woman can be beautiful, yes. And if I'm badgered enough, I'll say it, or some times I'll just give a compliment. But I function differently from others as I've said. Taking on such a form would be no different to me if these entities were to take on the form of another male if that were in fact what they were doing. But I don't believe that they aren't physically there in the real world and I don't think that it's just coincidence that they have resurfaced and been bothering me so badly lately.

I want to know what they want from me.

( By the way, no. I am neither gay nor really bi-sexual, I could love any person. I don't base my feelings towards an individual from gender, appearance, or anything other than what type of person they are. I think the spirit is or can be a far more attractive thing than anything on the outside could be. )
rosenrot
Ya, WhatTha. The alien abduction does sound a little out there. I'm still going to stick by my thoery that these women are spirits (possibly some form of really powerful psychic vampires) that have attached themselves to you. They could want something from you (what that is I don't know), and you have told us that you get an uneasy feeling when they appear. Hmm, that's just my two-cents. And I'd really like to hear if anyone else has had experiences like gigantickitten and Mabon.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 15 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]1725467[/snapback]
Ya, WhatTha. The alien abduction does sound a little out there. I'm still going to stick by my thoery that these women are spirits (possibly some form of really powerful psychic vampires) that have attached themselves to you. They could want something from you (what that is I don't know), and you have told us that you get an uneasy feeling when they appear. Hmm, that's just my two-cents. And I'd really like to hear if anyone else has had experiences like gigantickitten and Mabon.


I just wish I knew what they wanted if anything. Why they keep appearing? Why did I have that dream in the first place? What are they? They're clearly a little bit more than just dreams - I mean. You don't see things from dreams in the real world. And, yes. Like you said.. They feel particularly off and uneasy, as if it would be an exceedingly foolish idea to let my guard down.

I would also like to hear if anyone else has had the same experiences. Until I figure this out, it's going to bother me.
gigantickitten
QUOTE(rosenrot @ Jun 15 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]1725467[/snapback]
Ya, WhatTha. The alien abduction does sound a little out there. I'm still going to stick by my thoery that these women are spirits (possibly some form of really powerful psychic vampires) that have attached themselves to you. They could want something from you (what that is I don't know), and you have told us that you get an uneasy feeling when they appear. Hmm, that's just my two-cents. And I'd really like to hear if anyone else has had experiences like gigantickitten and Mabon.


I again.. Was under the assumption that Psychic Vampires were just normal people who had the ability or learned how to leach off other peoples auras?
Mme Mel
QUOTE(gigantickitten @ Jun 15 2007, 11:36 AM) [snapback]1725909[/snapback]
I just wish I knew what they wanted if anything. Why they keep appearing? Why did I have that dream in the first place? What are they? They're clearly a little bit more than just dreams - I mean. You don't see things from dreams in the real world. And, yes. Like you said.. They feel particularly off and uneasy, as if it would be an exceedingly foolish idea to let my guard down.

I would also like to hear if anyone else has had the same experiences. Until I figure this out, it's going to bother me.


Has anyone else seen the women you chased after?

While normally it's not considered a good idea to try summoning spirits, maybe since you've already got spirits you'd have nothing to lose by summoning them and getting them to stand still long enough for a chat? A witness (experienced) would be a good idea though.

Usually they're after essence of soul, which isn't the same as physical energy.
Mabon
Psychic vampires can be people or entities that sap your energy.

Still working on this and trying to figure it out.
GK do you keep a dream journal? I'm not asking you to divulge your dreams (I even deliberated about sharing mine before I finally did post) but does this follow a pattern with your dreams? I know that you are starting or rather have been experiencing this outside of dreams but your dreams may be giving you clues as to what they are, what they want and how best for you to deal with them.

Regards,
Mabon.

Edited to clean up a sentence.
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