Dosnt Australia have dino's ? bloody hell, SA is boring as hell, o im sorry we have Yowwie (lol at the name and what it sounds like) Didnt we have a similar creature ?

I just realised your from down under..... im in SA btw

Aussie got the Megalania sighting!
And Ropen? Yeah right! I even went to the mountain where it says it lives, spending some of my bank savings (which I planned to use it to enhance my computer). And go home with the fact that even the local people never heard about the creature!




...Ropen my big brown back!

Ah, I've heard it. I've seen pictures of some supposed footprints, but none of the actual creature.

You haven't seen Jurassic Park?

It seems like we all have dinosaurs in our backyards, according to legend and sightings. Here in America we have the pteradons in the southwest. With such an abundant "population" of supposed big creatures, it makes me wonder why they are not confirmed...what could the reason be...

*disclaimer* I still like to hold on to a sliver of hope because it would be really cool to have some left, but a large sauropod seems the least possible of all of the highly very unlikely.

I think he endorses the whole range.

Last time I checked, he was expecting to find Rhamphorhynchoidea around Umboi Island, but he describes a Western Australian sighting as a Quetzalcoatlus. Pretty sure he reckons there are two types in PNG. Not sure on his take on Kongamato though.

Johnathan Whitcomb has put a great deal into this conviction, one has to admire he determination if nothing else, he is getting expeditions happening. I don't mind the fellow, he visits forums occasionally and is quite polite and tries to answer all questions.

All that said.

My take would be frigate birds? Youtube video I love the idea of a more benign prehistoric relic, but Mr Whitcomb sees more in the evidence than I can.

Wow, you do get around my friend I envy you!

Did you visit Opai Village on Umboi Island? That is where Mr Whitcomb gets his info. What a shame you had such a disappointing result.

The Ahool is more Java isn't it? I always thought that a more credible cryptid as the Bismark Flying Fox can reach 6 foot (wingspan). Megabats are an interesting read.

We had a similar experience with another member (liquidmetal) he was looking for the Ahool in Java. When he asked the locals they looked at him like he had an arm growing out of his head. With over 200 recorded ropen sightings, one would expect more from a visit. It woud seem sightings are not as common as the reports woud lead one to believe.

Ahh, Rex Gilroy and his monster Goanna !! Megalania only died out a thousand years ago, I can see why the cryptid status. I think it fascinating that the first aboriginal settlers of Australia would certainly have encountered living Megalania. A Goanna gets pretty darn big and scary, a desert mis-identification seems likely. This fellow also believes Thylacines may still be on the mainland though......I do not agree.

Im in QLD.

Capeo beat me to the Megalania, but we have had a ropen sighting in WA We also have the Mainland Thylacine as a cryptid too. The range is building up, as th population grows, not doubt more people will see more dino's, we have a big backyard here don't we

We got two Yowwies apprently in my area, have not heard or seen them as yet. I crack up at that name too.

Hey, has anyone ever heard of those reports of small bipedal lizrds in the south US? I don't mean they sprint on hind legs like Basilisk lizards, I mean walking and being able to stand like that.

You should demand your money back from it for wasting your time! Poor show, Ropen! Poor show!

Wow mainland Thylacine ? i never heard about one on the mainland !

I've heard of NAPES but never small bipedal lizards. Tell us more, please.

I've heard a few reports. One was, I don't exactly remember the guy's profesion, I think he was a schoolteacher, said he was driving home one day(During day hours) and that he stopped his car due to a small pack of what he described as almost exactly the same as Ceolophysis. This was in the late 70's I think, in Texas. I only heard it in a couple books though.

That sounds similar to the reports of bipedal frogs. I'm looking for them on cyrptomundo.com, but I'm not finding anything. I like the thought of little bipedal lizards, just as long as they're not the lizard-men of UFO enthusiasts.

Most of us at UM have the general concensus of Cryptomundo=Crap.
Damn, was it the schoolteacher who saw the pterosaur in Texas? Why do so damn many schoolteachers have to see extant animals?

I would like to hear of those bipedal frogs though.

My mom is a schoolteacher, maybe she will see something prehistoric or really interesting. But about the frogmen.

AmericanMonsters.com calls them the Loveland frogmen. They were seen in the vicinity of Loveland, Ohio in the 1950's. They were supposed to stand 3 to 4 feet tall. Here is the full article.

I wonder, since frogs and lizards have kinda similar body shapes, if these incidents aren't related.

Oh, the loveland frogs. An isolated incedent, I've heard about them. Nothing similar has ever been sighted in the area.
And what I'm talking about is this:

As opposed to this:

Ahh, okay. I see now. I have never heard of these. It would be cool if those were still around. The only one I wouldn't want alive is the veloceraptor. Mean little buggers.

I'm from South Texas and have heard stories of the Pterosaur/Thunderbirds since I was a little kid. I've never heard of the bipedal lizards though. If there's anyway you can post a link to that story please do.

They doggy-paddled from Tasmania.

Ha, yeah some believe they may be alive on the Mainland. I don't see how unless the cloning project takes off, but I have my doubts there nowadays too, several serious microbiologists have dismissed the project as a PR stunt and its chief proponent, Professor Mike Archer, received a 2002 nomination for the Australian Skeptics Bent Spoon Award for "the perpetrator of the most preposterous piece of paranormal or pseudo-scientific piffle". Unfortunately the DNA is too degraded to make this possible with current understanding and technology. Nice to see some are trying though, and with the inclusion of the Unis, maybe enough people and equipment to make the project viable? I dunno, I do wish them all the best of luck, but I wont hold my breath.

I've only heard it in a couple of books, not online.(And these were old books)
I think if the Mole-Mbembe is real, it'd be a sort of Camarosaur. Due to the fact it seems to have roughly the same length neck and tail. Dunno about the horn.

I didn't visit the Opai village, but I went to a village near it, those villages are kinda remote, if you're there, you'll know what I'm talking about, especially when I mentioned 'remote'. And for the result of Ahool, I went there on 2003, and experiencing the same result. However, I proposed a theory of an oversized flying fox for Ahool's explanation a while ago. And by the way, flying fox does actually make sound like "aaaah oooolllll !" sometimes. Plus, there're some howling monkeys on the area...

Actually someone posted a 1930's account from what I thought was the congo by a white hunter/explorer of a reddish color predatory reptile eating a Rhino. The Baryonyx, with its large fore arms, looks very much like a sauropod in profile, to support the native descriptions, but unlike Saurpods, definately IS a dinosaur that frenquents watery environments for even fish scales have been found in its stomach region. If any dinosaur survived the KT event, it might have been an aquatic one sharing the same niche as the crocodiles, who also survived the KT. So the best guess (other than a legendary dragon) is that MM is a spinosauride dino.

Interesting.

This is to point out that the Wikipedia link says the 15-second Japanese film was made in 1992, and rosenrot's "Here" link says it was filmed in 1987.

I really don't care what year it was filmed, I just want to SEE it!

(typo)

^Oh no, you DON'T wanna see the film...and I won't tell you why

Well, you see, a Baryonyx was most likely bipedal, and it's arms were much thinner than it's back legs. It also had a short nheck, and was overall only about 20 feet long.

Well, gee whiz... your post gave me a mental flash of what the Japanese film probably looks like...

What I saw in my mind's eye was the cheap leftover dragon prop for the Godzilla movie bobbing up and down in a river... then rolling over on its side, upending, and going straight down... with dramatic Japanese music blaring loudly in the background... (the shaky camera zooms in and focuses on the air bubbles...)



You're right... I didn't really wanna see it...

The neck is not as long as a Sauropod's, but it is longer than a typical theropod like Tyrannosaurs or Allosaurs. And they do have the largest and most powerful forearms, giving them a quadrepedal look. It is very possible they may have sometimes walked on the forelegs, and some scientists suggest this, becasue their hooked forarms seem to have been used for fishing, which kept them low to the ground and water. Only one Baryonyx has ever been found. For all we know, it could grow as big as its cousin the Spinosaurus.

Well, I still hold my opinioin it's a Sauropod.

Weeellll....the video itself wasn't THAT bad. But worse...you actually see a footage of...


(SPOILER AHEAD...please don't scroll down if you don't want to know)

















...a swimming elephant.

It's related to the Loch Ness monster, the Great Lakes Monster and a myriad of other lake monsters all over the world.

I agree, for 5,000 years of recorded history we called them "dragons" and they were acknowledged in virtually every human culture in every corner of the world. I guess "monster" is more scientific-sounding nowadays.

I have heard of it being referred to as "the god-beast, the elephant killer". I believe that this is the translation of Mokele-Mbembe.

I don't know weather this is a figment, prehistoric animal, or a dragon, but the argument that tales of lake monsters around the world have a common origin makes sense.

If dragons are hiding out in lakes, I wonder what they would make of humanity's current obsession with them. In some parts of the world, if either a dragon or prehistoric reptile were to appear, people would move to protect rather than destroy such a being. Think about it, a land which can boast about having one of the world's only living dinosaurs, or former mythological creatures of legend. A dinosaur would pose no significant threat with proper preperations today, and an intelligent dragon should be able to comprehend the situation it was in.

But the intelligent dragons may be under strict orders not to reveal themselves for the truths about spirituality and religion their existence might reveal.

How many bible belt mothers would drown their kids in bathtubs and similar bizarre acts to "protect them from demons" and such things. Who knows how many people would think this is a "sign" of the end of the world based on biblical allusions to dragons in the end times?

All they can do now is hide from us, but being intelligent, they are very good hiders.

Intelligent dragons might have a bigger impact on mankind's psyche than aliens landing on our planet making a formal contact with all of humanity.

An excellent point. When one considers how cultures have reacted to new and startling information that changed their world-view, caution seems wise.

I believe Emele N'Ktoua (I dunno the spelling, it's sommat like that, someone will know!) was the "Killer of Elephants". It was probably a rhino, although it could have been a labyrinthodont.

Mokle-Mbembe translates to something like "He who stops the flow of rivers". Emela-Notuka or whatever it's name is, means "Killer of Elephants".

That's interesting, as Yahweh the storm dragon also stops up the Jordan river with his massive body in the bible so the Isrealites can cross the river bed. Is there a connection?

Yeah, I'm the "He who stops the flow of juices".
I personally think that mokele mbembe might actually just a figure of storytelling.
Or perhaps they're so intelligent that they hid themselves on another dimension, thus we shouldn't continue talking about this, coz they'll just laugh at us and like "Hey, check out what these doofus humans talk about us on the net!"

Does anyone really think that something that can stop the flow of rivers can remain hidden? Please tell me no. For as many tribes that say it is something of a dinosaur, there are just as many that say it is only a rhino or elephant.

I have no evidence that any sort of gigantic reptile lives in the Congo. Nonetheless, it is fun to speculate. There may be something there, or not.

Methinks this Dino be a Rhino

Doofus humans LOL. You crack me up

Almost anything is possible.

Zoologists only recently identified and have begun studying a new great ape species, somethng about the size of a bonobo (pygmy chimp) or even a little larger that has a place in local (equatorial Africa) mythos, but was entirely unknown to Western science.

Tokie

Most likely. Just as Big Foot is most likely a bear or moose, the chuppacabra is a badly decayed peccari or some other quite mundane animal, etc.

But it is fun. It's sad to think there is no mystery left in the world...and really, there is. Just probably not these fantastic critters.

Tokie

Yeah, but not this BIG! That new ape can't surely block the river with it's size isn't it?

Yo Psyche (I like this 'yo psyche' thingy, just like way back in 80s when they spit it word up, 'know I'm sayin'?)
here's sumthing for you, in case you play guitar:

Em C G D
You crack me up, so I can stand on mountains;

Em C D
You crack me up, to walk on stormy seas;

Em C G
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;

G D G
You crack me up: To more than I can be.

credit goes to Josh G! He's the gospel with da G thang!

It dosen't literally block rivers...

so SJOD, how does it 'stops the flow of rivers"? Drinking it dry?

There is certanly an absence of any hard evidence, Token. Nonetheless, is is interesting to speculate. Newly discovered species still pop up.

BTW, welcome to UM Token