I thought that this was a perfect topic after the "Dino Pic" topic I know that most if not all of you have heard the theory that Nessy is a Plesiaosaur but how many of you have heard of Mokele-Mbembe? I think that it is very likely that bot of these exsist but there is a better chance of Mokele-Mbembe exsisting here is a link to Wikipedia's description. Tell me what you think PLEASE!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokele-mbembe

I love the story of Mokele-M'bembe! It fits all three of my qualifications: has been in the local legends for years; thought to exist in remote locations; and some physical proof exists (even if it is sketchy). Here is a page with some more good information on our beloved sauropod.

EDIT: Mokele-Mbembe is not the only dinosaur thought to still exist. Here is another one called the Madidi Monster; it is thought to exist in the Amazon. And Here is another sauropod-like creature thought to exist. It's called the Re'em.

My oldest son has loved the story of Mokele Mbembe since he was just a little boy.

I noticed in another thread you were dissapointed as the number of people responding to this title. It has been discussed many times here, it never seems to be a "hot topic".

It also happens to be one of my favourite cryptid stories. I love the abiguous twists the tale takes all the time. The missionaries are the biggest eniga to me, they should have the knowledge to know what a Rhino looks like, yet many have reported Mokele_Mbembe and described it as a unique creature. Also there is the riddle of it's apparantely preferred food, not exculsive Rhino takeout.

Still, the naitives saw a picture of a Rhino and said that's it. They also said the same when they saw the picture of a Sauropod.
The reality is that it is most likely a Rhino, it fits the descrition, size, the habitat and displays the bad temper reportedly a part of the creature's nature. The other local inhabitants are another enigma, Emele Notuku, Kongamato, there seems to be qute some dinosaurs in Africa, bit strange nobody can prove it. As such, (unfortunately) the likelyhood of Mokele Mbembe being anything other that a Rhino remains obsucre.

Here is a real good question, there was supposed to be an extensive search for the creature in January, The Marcy Milt expedition. There was a fizzer of a mission on January 2006 that was brushed of (that is, the ineffectiveness of the mission) as a prelim mission for this years extensive effort. Is anyone here a member of Loren's forum? Does anyone here talk to him? He promoted the expeditions, perhaps he has some knowledge on this? I would love to know what happened. It seems strange how quiet it has all gone, did they find someting in 2006, and was it a simple old Rhino? Are Cryptozoologists hiding a truth to keep themselves in a job?

I've known of Mokele-Mbembe for a while, more likely he/she exists sense he/she lives in the jungle.

Yo, being in a jungle doesn't always mean that it is likely exist.
Think about a real, I mean a REAL Bananaman...did it exist? Coz I think that banana grows in jungle too, my friend!

I think Mokele Mbembe is a great story, and I'd love for it to exist for real.
I was watching a show the other day about the Congo, and it looked amazing!
There are huge parts of it that hasn't been accessed yet. There is apparantly a perfectly round lake in the middle of the forest, and some clearings in the forest where the animals feed and relax were not even discovered until 1992! Just imagine what else could be discovered...

I don't.

Mokele Membe seems like the product of people looking for something sensationalist to sell their books, I'm sure we would be capable of finding a creature of such proportions, or at least have some form evidence that is at least worth discussing. Also if I remember correctly, the tribe that apparently had some form of contact with Mokele Membe identified an elephant, or maybe it was a hippopotamus from a book as Mokele Membe.

As for the Loch Ness monster, I believe some form of credible evidence would have definitely turned up by now if Nessie existed or was a dinosaur, particularly with the amount of attention it gets in the world of cryptids.

Most of the reports are from missionaries? About 200 reports have been filed? I do not think anyone is making money of the story, not enough to live on anyways. The naitives reported a Rhino by the way White missionaries say they are not sure what the heck it is, but they have seen the creature and it is big.

It is probably a Rhino, superstition has made us hope it is more, and I for one do hope it is more, but the reality is that it is more likely a Rhino.

Loch ness, no way It is only tourism that keeps Nessie alive.

Nobody goes to Lorens forum, or contacts him? He has some answers for us !

Well that's a good point, clearly monetary gain could not have been a factor in all of these claims, as the average person could only benefit so much from these claims in a financial sense, without a book or similar to contribute the information too. Although, I still wouldn't put it past people to make these claims for their 15 minutes of fame.

when i was younger i used to dream of being the one to find something like this...i think that there will be somthing like this out there...somewhere

thats funny because there would probably be alot of poeple out there who make a living on storys like this.

like those people who purposefully hurt themselves so that they can sew the companyand get rich.

Professional para-normal con-men.

Exactly what im talking about.

Anyone heard of any?

It wouldn't surprise me actually, when you consider it as a possibility it doesn't seem so far fetched.

yer you might be on to something lirael

But Lirael, what about the natives and their stories?
I understand that there are a lot of them claiming to have seen this creature?

The show I was watching about the Congo a couple of days ago, there was a tribe of pygmees living in the middle of Congo and their accounts of it was quite fascinating, even though to me it didnt sound like it was a giant rhino or a dinosaur?

MM is simply another one of the same supernatural "dragons" believed in by every human culture for thousands of years. But people are embarrassed to use the "d" word anymore, so now the dragons are called Plesiosaurs in some places, giant seals in another, and sauropod dinosaurs in the congo. People will continue to catch glimpses, and bad, distant photographs, but they will never catch them becasue they are obviously not mere animals, but belong to a supernatural realm as 5000 years of human beliefs have stated.

Has anyone stumbled across any Mokele Mbembe documentaries online?

I'd be really interested to see some native accounts.

im not saying that its a fake story all im saying is that there are some people out there who make up these stories for personal gain i mean with all the supposed ufo takings and all the different stories there would have to be some people out there like that proffessionally.

but about this story it may very well be true.

Gotcha, see your point

A great deal of the reports (if not all) come from locals and missionaries? The locals gain? and missionaries get their reward from above so monetary gain is not a motivational factor here.
More likely the locals like the excited reaction they get when they point at a picture of a dinosaur.
I cannot understand what happened to the 07 January expedition, did someone discover it is a typical african Rhino and are keeping it quiet so that funding will continue for the mythical beast?
In that we have a motive.

This other show on Discovery had a group of people go talk to the natives in the Brazilian swamp there,and were talking to them about the Mokele-Mbembe,and they said thats not the only thing living there,theres snakes,crocs,and 7 foot tall monkeys,when they asked them to line up shoulder to shoulder of how big the croc they saw was,it added up to 55 feet,when the translator asked him if he was joking,the native replied that he should see the Adult ones,the snake came out to 65 feet,i forget how big the swamp was,anyone have any info on this show? i wanna watch it again.This Photo was taken from a plane flying over the congo,Time: Unknown,but its said to be the congo snake the natives were talking about.

^ Hold on Drathian, swamp? in Amazon? are you sure? I know there's a giant anaconda called the Sucuriju Gigante in Amazon, but I'm not sure about Mokele Mbembe there...in fact, I don't believe at all! And you said crocs that big? Yeah right, Crocs that big would be a feast to the anacondas!
And about the picture, I've seen it million times, some say it's in Amazon, others say it's in Congo (the most) and other say it's in Australia. I myself think that it's a real picture, regardless it's a giant snake or just a normal snake photographed in a strea in such fashion that made it look gigantic...

Anyway, do you know where Amazon is?

Yea it was a swamp,ill look for a link,im ALMOST sure they said Brazil,ill look hold on.

What I'm trying to say, that Mokele Mbembe is the name of the creature in native language of the Likuoala Swamp in Congo... How can a Brazilian Native Americans (who I suspeted are mostly speak Tupi dialects or languages) know what a Mokele Mbembe is? Or did the researcher showed them the picture of a sauropod or else? Enlighten me on this...

sometime in this life of mine I would like to go looking for it.

Capo, Drathian, might this be the beastie for which you are searching? "Sauropod-like creature seen in the Amazon Basin"

The translator showed him a photo of the mokele mbembe,brachiosaur,some marine reptile( Ill get the pic ) and he stopped him in the middle of the page turning of dinos and pointed out the Kentrosaurus,wich really i thought was weird that he knew that one right away,im still looking,im gonna look where the swamp was right now.And again i found nothing,it was on CNN,i searched there and i got Swamp Ringtones.....great search engine.Ok i got the pic of the swimming one the guy saw,its the top one.Well cant use that type of file,but it looks like a Basolosaur i think....

^ You sure? Coz you seems so confused there?

Confused?ummm ok.......?

i work with a couple of people from the congo republic,and i mentioned Mokele-Mbembe,and they burst out laughing saying that they never have heard of the 'creature'

Some have,some havent,there is always a possibilty tho.

^Rrrright...what makes it funny is that when I did the same to the natives of Mt. Salak, heck, I was there at the mountain itself! All over the net, esp in Cryptozoology pages, it was mentioned that a certain giant flying reptile (pterosaur like) live there. I asked alot of people from young to old, everyone claimed that they never see or hear such thing! They even made fun of me as a stupid 'city boy' or so they call me...

I have done some research on the Mokel-Mbembe. But it seems to be an older tale, and not to many locals belive it, but some do swear it exist. I personaly do think it exists. But I wouldnt go to locals and ask them about the creature if they would just laugh..... (I dont like to be laughed at)

Well, you can't get any truth if you just sittin' in your chair typing posts! You just gotta go to the spot and prove it for yourself! As for me, I really think that Mokele Mbembe exist...but not a sauropod or dinos of any kind! IMHO it's a rhino, or hippos or some unknown species of the two!

IN 1891, the UK magazine "Land and Water" printed S Lovell's report of the Pacific Ocean moha-moha.
She was a naturalist, who had 2 plants named after her.
The Australian Aboriginals knew it well, where it was witnessed by 2 lighthouse-keepers, 2 other men Lovell and 3 others who signed a statement. It is "moa-moa" in the Pacific Islands. The beast has a fishtail 12 ft. long, a central turtle-shell and long neck. When it lay on the beach of Fraser Island, Queensland, the shell was 5 ft.high. One had invaded an Aboriginal camp 8 years previously and put its legs on the shoulders of a man and knocked him down. In the same article, Lovell described a "womang", unknown then, but now seen as the manta ray.

{I really think that Mokele Mbembe exist...but not a sauropod or dinos of any kind! IMHO it's a rhino, or hippos or some unknown species of the two!}


And you know this for certain how???

I said, IMHO = In My Humble Opinion!

Now I'm a ask you the same question: Do you know CERTAINLY that it exist?

Theres more evidence leading that it does more than it doesnt. So my vote yes it does,and it most likely is a prehistoric survivor.....IMHO.

Good! You have evidence! Now let me hear it!

Oh, one more thing, by evidence, I mean a physical evidence, and if possible, the documentation of the creature, preferably, alive. You do know that reports and sightings doesn't count as evidence, right? We classify them as a report much lower than a testimony; a very subjective point of view.

There is some evidence to suggest that a large creature exists in the Congo basin.
That's it.
The large number of reports (around 200) do not even include a sighting, just sounds or wakes
It coud be a hippo, a Rhino, or an unknown species. Point in no one knows and we have nowhere near enough information to draw any realistic conclusion. The facts point toward the creature being a Rhino, untill somoene can afford to go have a proper look,we can only speculate.
I take it nobody in here is a member of Loren's site, or we have nobody who knows him? It would clear up a great deal if we could find out what happened to the awaited 2007 January expedition to find the creature with the Marcy-Milt team after the 2006 fizzer, "prelim" mission that for some reason never happened.
Did they find out that Mokele Mbembe is in fact a Rhino after 2006? Is this fact being hidden to continue funding? Outrageus possibilities perhaps, but what other conclusion would one draw after the silence surrounding the vaunted return mission?

Argument againts a living sauropod dinosaur include that Mokele Mbembe suppposedly inhabits the swampy regions or even spends the bulk of their lives in water. These traits are both now regarded as mistakenly attributed to sauropods by early paleontologists. Another good point is that any creature the size of a sauropod would arguably have severe trouble walking through the swampy regions where it is supposed to live, as its bulky size would leave it tangled in vines and trees, and as its weight would cause it to sink into the mud.
The feet of elephants display metacarpal spread, in which the digits radiate outward from the wrist or ankle bone, allowing the animal to distribute its weight more broadly and therefore avoid sinking in wet earth. The feet of all known sauropods, however, had vertically arranged digits, which distribute weight through the leg column, not unlike the body of a horse, therefore making it difficult to walk in sinking terrain.
Another popular claim is that the area is thick untamed rainforest which has remained unchanged for millions of years, however, the thickness of a rainforest has no bearing on that rainforest's ability to withstand climate changes. Rainforests are very delicate ecosystems that alter dramatically in response to even slight changes, as is apparent in the case of contemporary rainforests. A rainforest, in fact, is arguably the least likely environment to withstand extreme ecological changes, a desert or ocean would arguably be much better locations for animals to exist continuously for 65 million years.
In addition to the above, the idea that the Congo rainforest is unmapped is used to support the myth of Mokele-mbembe. Fact is that Pygmy and Bantu humans have been living in the rainforest for thousands of years. Europeans explored the rainforest extensively in search of valuable exportable resources during the late 1800s and early 1900s, and modern scientists have been closely studying the rainforest for decades. While it is not as comprehensively mapped as some areas, the Congo Basin is no less well-mapped than any other dense forest.
All of the above dictates that the evidence is very poor in support of a surviving dinosaur, much to my disappointment.

mokele mbembe is one of my most favored legends of the entire subject of cryptozooology.
i believe its entirely true, though it is probably dead from wat the heck we're doin to the rain forest.

Why do you think it is entirely true in light of the facts I posted above? Do you believe any of them to be in error, or do you have some information I am not privy to?

^I believed you oughta read the post twice, Psyche. It's because Mokele Mbembe is his FAVORITE! That's why he believed it! Just like I believe that Jim Morrison is alive and hiding in Amazon...

Of course I exsist!!!

In the jungles of central Africa countries of Congo, Cameroon, and Gabon are reports of animal an animal with a long neck, a long tail, and rounded shape tracks with three claws. The closest known animal that has these characteristics is a sauropod dinosaur.

When some of the local people of the Likouala region would draw in the dirt or sand a representation of Mokele-mbembe they drew the shape of a sauropod dinosaur. Then when they were shown a picture of a sauropod dinosaur they said that picture is Mokele-mbembe.

Mokele-mbembe means "One that stops the flow of rivers." French priest in the region called it "monstrous animal."

So there you go

How can anyone say that all dinopsaurs are dead though? they found that Celeocanth in japan,than another one like 2 weeks ago,that lived around the same time.......and than ppl say that no Dinosaurs ( not crocs,alligators,or sharks )....still roam its impossible that they dont.if sharks and alligators and crocs can survive why not dinos?

The main reason people believe what you stated above is because these animals are aquatic or semiaquatic.

You got it all wrong. The Coelacanth was never found alive in Japan, it was in African Comoros and in Indonesia! And you got confused about the crocs and sharks surviving the prehistoric era. I remind you, even crocodiles EVOLVE! Learn something first, find literature and then, post your idea. This way you'll never be underestimated ever again.