Hello, im a new user on this website, and ive always had my theories, on certain unexplained places and happenings.

What i want to know, are versions of your theoires, becuase you cant just trust other sources like documentries and scientists. In fact scientists dont do there job very well, and even if they do find a breakthrough, they are paid to shut up or they are silenced. For example, scientists dont even know what gravity is, i mean duh everyone knows what gravity is, but do we? But lets stop talking about these things, lets focus on Atlantis and Agharta.

So please, plz reply back with a few paragraphs or sentances, which ever suits you best. and tell me what you think the connection is all your theory.

thx

Um Atlantis didn't existing, it is base in pure mythology. (its been covered here before)

And with regard to your statement:- 'For example, scientists dont even know what gravity is' are you joking?

Atlantis:-

Mythical (until proven otherwise) prehistoric city destroyed in a cataclysm. Original reference by Plato, it is not proven either way if Plato was writing fact or fiction at the time.

Agharta (According to Wiki):-

Agharta (アガルタ, Agaruta?) is a manga by mangaka Matsumoto Takaharu serialized in Young Jump. So far 9 collected volumes have been published in Japan by Shūeisha.

Summary
After the earth becomes an immense desert following a cataclysm and life has become a struggle of the survival of the fittest. The story centers around Juju, a teenage boy who belongs to the one of the gangs which prevail on behalf of the new organizations, and Rael, a girl who will be able to perhaps save humanity.

Unless you are referring to another usage of the word "Agharta" then the only connections i an see are that they both involve cataclysms, and at least one is fictional, and both may be.

The world record in ignorance has been broken. You may now collect your prize.

lol, first of all, there is a lot of evidense that atlantis existed, and second of all, scientists dont know anything about gravity. all they know is that it a force that pulls towards earth. thats all they know, all the rest are theories, and im talkign about the Hollow earth Agharta.

But still thx 4 commenting.

Did Atlantis Exist ??? YESSSSSSSS
Was It A Great Civilization ??? YESSSSS
Were They Defeated by NOMAD Greeks ??? YESSSS
Did The City Sink ???? YESSSSS

Where did all this happen ??? IN PLATO'S MIND.... (ITS JUST A STORY)


As For EVIDENCE of Atlantis Existence.... here is the thing other than PLATO there is NONE !!!


Now let me answer the question asked at the start of this topic....
from what i gather you are trying to get the connection between ATLANTIS and some Nation/city thats Inside the Earth ???
here is my answer

Only Connection between these two is
1. Only "Kids" believe that either exists
2. No Evidence Supporting Existence of Either
3. Santa Doesn't Visit On Christmas

and finally
4. They Are Both Made Up...



well from the way you said that it seems like you do .... ??? enlighten us please ???

American classical scholar Daniel Dombrowski:

'Atlantis was only a powerful literary device invented by Plato, which was to act as a means of highlighting the fate of the ideal state created in Plato's mind's eye. The only place in which Atlantis can be found, in addition to the writings of Plato, is in the minds of those with an imagination as vivid as that of Plato.'

lol, your american and your from texas, that explains all, and everything ive said are known by many people, people that are different from you kinds of people, thats why so many things are kept from the public.

<<< not Amarican (my name should give that away)
and what does that have to do with anything ... ???
US government is hiding stuff from people ??? and Australian isnt ??? okkkkk... even if that was true i have this thing called INTERNET it provides me with all kinds of information ...

i suggest you take some time.. read into "Helike" .... "Earthquake war" and "Peloponnesian Wars" you might learn something....

P.S. UM is full of members that have been here for ages... read every topic and heard 95% of theories... dont feel bad if your "Dreams" are brought down by "Facts" just realize that its much better to look at all the FACTS before making/creating a theory



TYPO

ok ok you win

so what do you study about, and do you believe in any myths or stories and if so, what is the evidense?

Plato

Plato (Greek: Πλάτων, Plátōn, "wide, broad-shouldered") (428/427 BC[a] – 348/347 BC), whose original name was Aristocles, was an ancient Greek philosopher, the second of the great trio of ancient Greeks –succeeding Socrates and preceding Aristotle

Daniel Dombrowski

Daniel A. Dombrowski (born 1953) is an American philosopher. He is currently professor at Seattle University in the United States. He works in ethics, theology, classics, and literature.

As Mr Dombrowski appears to have been born some 2000 odd years after Plato i suggest we could conclude that Mr Dombrowski is stating his opinion on what Plato was writing about rather than stating fact.

I am sure those UM members who have "been here for years" would understand the difference between theories and fact.



To the OP:-

Do you have any more info in "Agharta"?

i study history and art ...
and i believe in FACTS ....
Myths are Great... but truth is much better
if you believe in atlantis i suggest u start researching the TIME of PLATO...
beeing that he is the one that came up with the story you look into the things happening around him during his lifetime... pretty soon you realize that everything that is writen in "Atlantis story" happened to Greeks in/around Mediterranean area...
Island did sink (Atalante)
Athens did go to war with their Allie (Sparta)
City did get destroy in one night (Helike)


if you read into Helike you realize how similar it is to atlantis... it was the capital of the Achaean League meaning it had a strong Political Power...It was a place where people came to worship Poseidon (same as Atlantis) ... in one night it was hit by earthquakes and Tsunamis... and next day it was gone... all the people Dead... City Completely Destroyed....

Once again i suggest you look into the writings of Greeks Historians... Might learn Something

P.S. Its Not about wining ... i am just trying to share some informations with you lol

Now you see, that proves Atlantis did not exist, because no great civlisation coud be defeated by a bunch of wandering geeks. maybe they could do thier homework for them but not defeat them. lol.

I dont Understand Your Post One Bit lol....

I happen to Agree with Mr.Dombrowski's Quote... and thats only reason i posted it...
if Plato was posting Facts... how is it that none Of the Historians of His time Happen To Mention Anything about Atlantis ?


also please do NOTE what I have quoted in BOLD letters it might be an Eye opener
Greek philosopher not Greek HISTORIAN i take it you know the difference between two

yeah lol i love that part...
atlantis is often portrayed as a city with flying machines and laser weapons and so on ..... yet they were Defeated by ATHENS ??? who has none of these Great Things lol ???

Spartans On The Other Hand were forced to FLEE HOME during Peloponnesian War due to a great number of earthquakes (400+bc i think)
making them the army in the myth lol

DP

The only one spouting "FACTS" was yourself, it is actually irrelevant if you agree with Dombowski or not, it does not make his THEORY any more FACTUAL.

As for Greek historians not mentioning Atlantis, i have no idea, as i was not there at the time. There could be many reasons, lost documentation etc. It COULD also be that Plato was writing fiction at the time AS I STATED ON MY FIRST POST.

By the way, putting smilies on your posts in no way makes it any less sarcastic.

exactly, thx duality, i mean you should never rely or believe in secondary sources of information(infromation collected by someone else). If you know the truth or if you have evidense that you have discovered, present it to us or keep your opoinions to yourself.

Well, i don't agree with one element of your post Adama, i am more than happy to read othe peoples opinions on things, thats why i read (and occasionally post) on this forum.

What i find tiring is people spouting theories as if they were fact.

Anyway still waiting on this Agharta info if you have any more?

first of all this is DISCUSSION BOARD meaning my opinions are worth just as much as yours
second of all Are you asking me to get you some first hand facts for something that happened 2000+ years ago ? what are you on i want some !

I was Born In The Area.. I Have been all Over Greece Countless times... so from where i stand i have Better understanding of the region and its history than you do ...

looking at this topic i have actually supplied you with information... i have given you reasons why your theory is invalid... reasons with Facts backing it up... only thing you have contributed to the discussion is your theory and lack of acknowledging the difference between FACT and OPINION...

come back when you have done some research...

lol theres too much info about agharta for me to type on here and some are too like classified for the public, but i will be happy to send personal messages to ya. but not of eveything, and for you basonchero, your just another one of em online bullies.

hahah
i have been called much worse
but what can i say i like to share my knowledge with people ... if thats bulling than i am sorry you feel that way
P.S. if you think i am bully way till later when USA wakes up ....

Names such as Newton, Hawking and others have enabled science to understand many of physics' biggest mysteries by discovering many aspects of gravity. The applications of their works are numerous in the fields of astronomy, space flights (one of the greatest achievements of the human race), molecular and quantum physics. I find it outrageous that you speak of some of the greatest thinkers and scientists of all human history like if they didn't know anything.



Gravity can by no means be reduced to "a force that pull towards earth". It explains with astonishing accuracy the formation of the stars, the galaxies, and the nature of black holes. Gravity is a form of acceleration, by the second principle of Newton, which establishes a connection between mass, acceleration (gravity), and force. It is also a fundamental element of relativity, which itself explains many things. None of these are only theories, as they have practical applications. By the way, let me ask you how you came to think that scientists know nothing about gravity. How many books have you read on the subject?

lol, funny, well you really dont know your scientists, becuase they actually admit that they dont know hardly anything about gravity and many other things, everything is thoeries, and if you can find proof that im wrong, plz do, becuase im not. but its good to see other peoples opinions.

soel dont get yourself worked up ... this individual seems to think that he knows everything (just cant share it with us haahah)

Absolutely right.



You haven't answered any of the questions I asked you.

oh sorry i didnt see the question. ummmmm well for the how do i know that the scientists dont know anything, is becuase they admited it, and im only talking about gravity at this point. and for the how many books i read, i dont study secondary sources of information.

Anything else, im happy to reply

everything you say on here is SECONDARY SOURCE OF INFORMATION to me so why should i listen to you ?

your 100% correct

so what exactly are you doing here than ???
i mean if you don't listen to anything we say because we are "SECONDARY SOURCES OF INFORMATION" what do you want on discussion board ??? you do realize people other than you talk here ???

not trying to stir the argument lol
but i think stephen hawking did recently admit many of his theories involving gravity and black holes were wrong

well, i listen to there story what they claim to be factual or what they think might be, and then i study that and see if its fact or fiction or if there is even a little bit of truth, or if it connects to someother mystery or truth that i understand. Yea thats pretty much it.

AND THANK YOU THROUGH THE FIRE, theres some more proof for ya bosencharo and that soel dude.

So that's how you came to deny the whole gravitation theory.

And I don't think Hawking ever denied his gravitational theories. Let me ask you a question, Adama. What do you consider as your primary sorces? Is it the internet you trust so much? I wouldn't be too proud of myself if reading books was only my secondary source of knowledge. You know, being ignorant is in no way an advantage.

yes i wont deny using the internet, but i collect information and then put them all to the test, to see if they are all theories or actual proof, that is hidden from the public. its quite interesting.

I don't know enough about Agharta to make any comparisons.

Science doesn't even fully understand electricity.

So.... let me be sure that I have understood you.... books are secondary sources of information? You dont study seconadary sources of information? Can anybody else see where this train of thought is leading???

Sorry Adama, yet another completely pointless thread that you are creating. I refer you to "Monty Pythons Argument Sketch", I think you will learn a lot

That's exactly what I was trying to tell him.

So I guess us Texans are guilty of using logic. Sorry that you don't.

This is an open forum. The point is to put our opinions out there. It might help if you learn to spell.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
myth [mith] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event,
with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation,
esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

in two threads i believe he has insulted at least billion people lol ...
Texan's beeing on the top of the list lol


P.S so can someone please explain to me where does he see connection between Atlantis and some Unknown city underground ?

There is no historical bases for Atlantis, the first and only reference in ancient history to Atlantis was made by Plato, who wasn't a historian. And the stories of Agharta/Agartta/Agharti/Agarttha/Aryavartha/Belovodye/Hsi Tien/Janaidar/Shamballa/Shambalah or whatever you want to call it, have as much substance as stories of Hades/Hell/Guinee/Pulotu/Metnal/Yomi or any of the other fabled underworld's... IMO

Yet again we have the "my pet theory" v/s actual scientific methodology.

--Jaylemurph

I have this to say to those who say there is no evidence for Atlantis: Plato was not the original author he heard the story from the Egyptians, Plato I agree might have put in refrences of the Greeks in the same way hollywood would put Aliens coming to DC to meet the Human leader. Plato might have exagaratted the size of the Continent and added some political ideas for the Greeks but the essence of the story should not be written of. The story concides with the ending of the last Ice age, their is also proof of international cross ocean trade, their is also the sudden apearance of the Sumers could they have been the ramnants of Atlantis in reinaccanse? Why couldnt Atlantis have Logically existed? Plato never mentioned Lasers and flying vechicles. Atlantis would also explain similarities between the Americas and Egypt.

first of all the little STORY that says that Plato's father(Ariston) got the story(atlantis) from an Egyptian Priest is complete bogus ....
i mean ATHENS was attacked.. only reference to the city is in fact from a GREEK.... where is ANY evidence that Egyptians had anything to do with Atlantis ???
from what i remember Egyptians were GREAT at recording History... and i believe that such a great civilization like atlanteans would have a place in at least on of the historic texts written by Egyptians .... but once again we have NOTHING

"their is also proof of international cross ocean trade" where ??? please provide us with some reliable links ???

"Atlantis would also explain similarities between the Americas and Egypt." what similarities are you talking about ???
If you consider a PYRAMIDS to be SIMILAR to TEMPLES in S.America than you are mixing apples and oranges...

Once Again please do look into the Greece Region at the time of Plato's life... look at natural disasters and destruction of Helike might be an eye opener

read into geographers, historians, writers who wrote about Helike:" Herakleides, Eratosthenes, Diodorus, Strabo, Ovid, Pausanias, Aelian" and i am 10000% sure that while reading about its destruction you will think about atlantis

How do you know the story of Platos father is made up?
Just some of many
Cross Atlantic trade: http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/Entomology/c...2000/wells.html

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Cu...%20Mummies.html

Similarities between America and Egypt: Pyramids are different yes Idea same. For example a P-51 Mustang is different from a F-15 Eagle but both share a common ancestor.

Yes the story of Atlantis could be about the destruction of a local greek city but wouldnt the greek readers know about them as well. Why would he get the story in Egypt? If he didnt get in Egypt why make it up? Again he used Athens to bring the story closer to Greek hearts. Answer me this why couldnt Atlantis exist as Plato said explain in Logical terms this impossibility.

That's right... every time somebody says "A friend of a friend told me..." it's always 100%, absolutely true...

--Jaylemurph

PS: Excuse me, I need to get my ex-kidney hole treated...

easy there tiger....
why couldnt it exist... easy enough
BECAUSE THERE IS NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF IT EVER EXISTING.... ONLY THING WE HAVE TO GO ON IS A STORY BY PHILOSOPHER


Philosophy is the discipline concerned with the questions of how one should live (ethics); what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures (metaphysics); what counts as genuine knowledge (epistemology); and what are the correct principles of reasoning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher




A historian is an individual who studies history and who writes on history.[1] The person may be an authority (or expert) over history,[1] but this is not a requirement. Most generally, historians are the writers, compilers and narrators of history.[2] Historians are concerned with the continuous, systematic narrative and research of past events as relating to the human race; as well as the study of all events in time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historian

and a great Disney cartoon.




What makes you so special that you're privy to this info?
OMG you should talk.

and Amen to that one to Eric.