my friend Abhorsen and i have been reading about the philadelphia experiment and we were wondering if anyone had any more information or beleifs about it?
do you thnk it is just a conspiracy story or do you think it really happened?
please reply!
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For all Urban Legends, there is a kernal of truth. I don't know that I buy the whole story but, I'm sure that there were at least some experiments into rendering a ship invisible at one time or another. Maybe somebody over heard part of a conversation about making a ship invisible to radar and added their own two cents to it. Then when the next person told the story he/she included that fact that soandso worked at the naval base and that's where he/she heard the story so it must be true.
In all truth, it was probably a failed experiment into electronic stealth. When word of a failed "invisibility cloak" leaked, the story took on a new life and all kinds of details fell into place. Personally, I'd lie to believe that it all really happened just like in the story but, I have to ask myself, if it did, where are the stealth ships of today? If we really did try to do that why are we not still trying to do it?
In all truth, it was probably a failed experiment into electronic stealth. When word of a failed "invisibility cloak" leaked, the story took on a new life and all kinds of details fell into place. Personally, I'd lie to believe that it all really happened just like in the story but, I have to ask myself, if it did, where are the stealth ships of today? If we really did try to do that why are we not still trying to do it?
Whether or not the ship disappeared, I can't say, but I believe they definitely tried the experiment. If I remember correctly, wasn't Albert Einstein involved with it on some level?
I actually read a lot about this a few years ago, but don't remember many of the details. I read enough to believe that an attempt was made to somehow make a ship appear invisible, but everything else tied into it is likely false.
Suppossedly the ship disappeared and what not, and then when it reappeared they were saying the men on board were all distorted and/or ill and such. I read about how they became part of the structure of the ship, as in you'd see the upper half of their body sticking up through the floor, but the lower half wasn't there.
I would think there is some truth's to the story, but I'm sure much has also been exagerated and/or fabricated.
I actually read a lot about this a few years ago, but don't remember many of the details. I read enough to believe that an attempt was made to somehow make a ship appear invisible, but everything else tied into it is likely false.
Suppossedly the ship disappeared and what not, and then when it reappeared they were saying the men on board were all distorted and/or ill and such. I read about how they became part of the structure of the ship, as in you'd see the upper half of their body sticking up through the floor, but the lower half wasn't there.
I would think there is some truth's to the story, but I'm sure much has also been exagerated and/or fabricated.
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Whether or not the ship disappeared, I can't say, but I believe they definitely tried the experiment. If I remember correctly, wasn't Albert Einstein involved with it on some level?
I actually read a lot about this a few years ago, but don't remember many of the details. I read enough to believe that an attempt was made to somehow make a ship appear invisible, but everything else tied into it is likely false.
Suppossedly the ship disappeared and what not, and then when it reappeared they were saying the men on board were all distorted and/or ill and such. I read about how they became part of the structure of the ship, as in you'd see the upper half of their body sticking up through the floor, but the lower half wasn't there.
I would think there is some truth's to the story, but I'm sure much has also been exagerated and/or fabricated.
I actually read a lot about this a few years ago, but don't remember many of the details. I read enough to believe that an attempt was made to somehow make a ship appear invisible, but everything else tied into it is likely false.
Suppossedly the ship disappeared and what not, and then when it reappeared they were saying the men on board were all distorted and/or ill and such. I read about how they became part of the structure of the ship, as in you'd see the upper half of their body sticking up through the floor, but the lower half wasn't there.
I would think there is some truth's to the story, but I'm sure much has also been exagerated and/or fabricated.
i totally agree with left field they probably would of tried to make ships invisible not only to radar but to the naked eye.
however i dont actually think they succeeded and as for the whole crew men being part of the ship and getting screwed up i think that was all just made up.
QUOTE(Left Field @ Jun 13 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]1721866[/snapback]
If I remember correctly, wasn't Albert Einstein involved with it on some level?
thats funny... because i thought( well actualy i read it on a site when i was looking it up)
anyway i thought it was at the same time the roswel crash happened....
As for beliving if it hppend
i do to some degree though i mean apparently all of the crew died from self cobustion after being in the ship and all had this thing were they might be talking and all of a sudden they would stop..like all their vitals like heart beat pulse ect had stoped
so i dont belive that that happend but i do belive they were sucseesful in mking the ship invisible
i do to some degree though i mean apparently all of the crew died from self cobustion after being in the ship and all had this thing were they might be talking and all of a sudden they would stop..like all their vitals like heart beat pulse ect had stoped
so i dont belive that that happend but i do belive they were sucseesful in mking the ship invisible
The central claim of the Philadelphia experiment may have a basis in fact, however. Edward Dudgeon describes the event.
I was in [a] bar that evening, we had two or three beers, and I was one of the two sailors who are said to have disappeared mysteriously...The fight started when some of the sailors bragged about the secret equipment [radar, sonar, special screws, a new compass, etc.] and were told to keep their mouths shut. Two of us were minors....The waitresses scooted us out the back door as soon as trouble began and later denied knowing anything about us. We were leaving at two in the morning. The Eldridge had already left at 11 p.m. Someone looking at the harbor that night might have noticed that the Eldridge wasn't there any more and it did appear in Norfolk. It was back in Philadelphia harbor the next morning, which seems like an impossible feat: if you look at the map you'll see that merchant ships would have taken two days to make the trip. They would have required pilots to go around the submarine nets, the mines and so on at the harbor entrances to the Atlantic. But the Navy used a special inland channel, the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal, that bypassed all that. We made the trip in about six hours" (Vallee).
Such is the mundane stuff that urban legends are made of.
I was in [a] bar that evening, we had two or three beers, and I was one of the two sailors who are said to have disappeared mysteriously...The fight started when some of the sailors bragged about the secret equipment [radar, sonar, special screws, a new compass, etc.] and were told to keep their mouths shut. Two of us were minors....The waitresses scooted us out the back door as soon as trouble began and later denied knowing anything about us. We were leaving at two in the morning. The Eldridge had already left at 11 p.m. Someone looking at the harbor that night might have noticed that the Eldridge wasn't there any more and it did appear in Norfolk. It was back in Philadelphia harbor the next morning, which seems like an impossible feat: if you look at the map you'll see that merchant ships would have taken two days to make the trip. They would have required pilots to go around the submarine nets, the mines and so on at the harbor entrances to the Atlantic. But the Navy used a special inland channel, the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal, that bypassed all that. We made the trip in about six hours" (Vallee).
Such is the mundane stuff that urban legends are made of.
i think some is true, as for sailors fall thru floors..ect, not too unrealistic, j. hachiston, did brake up malecular bond of steel usinf strong magnetic field, and mettal became soft as jello, philadelfia experenent was using strong magnetic field, so if that steel became soft, why couldn,t ppl fall thru the steel floor, or lean against steel wall that wasn,t strong as steel any longer. imagine a wall or a floor made of soft wet clay, it would be very similar to what happend there.
Well for one, if the steel became soft the ship would sink.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOg9g0m1jA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAG35ZPeLgk
I'm at work and can't hear what is being said, sorry if these are really corny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAG35ZPeLgk
I'm at work and can't hear what is being said, sorry if these are really corny
My understanding of the Rainbow Project is that the primary function was to make the Eldridge less subject to magnetic mines and make it more silent running.
The Eldridge supposedly had high energy magnetic fields projected throughout the hull for the purpose of defeating the mines. What effect these very intense fields had on the ship with respect to light invisibility, warping of spacial effects, time, and so forth is left to the legend; it does appear that Nikola Tesla's technology was somehow used in the Eldridge. It's quite common knowledge that Tesla had a greater practical knowledge of electric and magnetic fields than anyone of that time, and perhaps today. My research indicates that the initial part of the Rainbow Project was not the last: that the Eldridge did actually continue with the experiments after refitting, to further the project about 6 months later, farther into the Atlantic. The veracity of this is unknown, but it does appear in several documents (by supposed witnesses). It seems that the documentation of the single eyewitness has been called into question; however, that could be disinformation.
The silent running part would likely have been modification of the screws. Pumps of most types cause cavitation due to the lower pressure of the trailing edge of the screw. That cavitation is easily discernible to a sonar operator (I have some experience at this in the Navy, in airborne sonar). Any properly trained sonarman on a sub would easily hear the screws of a destroyer. To make the screws silent requires a technology that, at the time, would have been in its infancy, but it is likely that anything offering an advantage would have been tried.
For those interested in the science, the lower pressure at the trailing edge of the screw causes a near vacuum, and dissolved air and the lower pressure cause the water to vaporize near the screw. This vacuum is intense enough, when it is turning fast, to cause bits of the screw to come off the blades. A modern high speed turbine pump requires the replacement of the turbine blade after a long usage because of this; the impeller becomes very pitted, not due to wear as some think, but due to the removal of the impeller particles at the trailing edge.
So it would have been beneficial to any ship to use a screw that diminished the turbulence, not only to save wear and tear, but to make the screw less susceptible to the interpretation of sonar operators.
The Eldridge supposedly had high energy magnetic fields projected throughout the hull for the purpose of defeating the mines. What effect these very intense fields had on the ship with respect to light invisibility, warping of spacial effects, time, and so forth is left to the legend; it does appear that Nikola Tesla's technology was somehow used in the Eldridge. It's quite common knowledge that Tesla had a greater practical knowledge of electric and magnetic fields than anyone of that time, and perhaps today. My research indicates that the initial part of the Rainbow Project was not the last: that the Eldridge did actually continue with the experiments after refitting, to further the project about 6 months later, farther into the Atlantic. The veracity of this is unknown, but it does appear in several documents (by supposed witnesses). It seems that the documentation of the single eyewitness has been called into question; however, that could be disinformation.
The silent running part would likely have been modification of the screws. Pumps of most types cause cavitation due to the lower pressure of the trailing edge of the screw. That cavitation is easily discernible to a sonar operator (I have some experience at this in the Navy, in airborne sonar). Any properly trained sonarman on a sub would easily hear the screws of a destroyer. To make the screws silent requires a technology that, at the time, would have been in its infancy, but it is likely that anything offering an advantage would have been tried.
For those interested in the science, the lower pressure at the trailing edge of the screw causes a near vacuum, and dissolved air and the lower pressure cause the water to vaporize near the screw. This vacuum is intense enough, when it is turning fast, to cause bits of the screw to come off the blades. A modern high speed turbine pump requires the replacement of the turbine blade after a long usage because of this; the impeller becomes very pitted, not due to wear as some think, but due to the removal of the impeller particles at the trailing edge.
So it would have been beneficial to any ship to use a screw that diminished the turbulence, not only to save wear and tear, but to make the screw less susceptible to the interpretation of sonar operators.
Basically, they were looking for a way to make the Liberty ships invisable to radar and magnetic fields so that they wouldn't get sunk by the U-boats.
As for Einstein, I think that he was supposed to have written a paper stating thta it could be done but, I don't think thta he actually had a hand in it.
It was supposed to have happened during the early years of WWII. Roswell happened in 1947.
As for Einstein, I think that he was supposed to have written a paper stating thta it could be done but, I don't think thta he actually had a hand in it.
It was supposed to have happened during the early years of WWII. Roswell happened in 1947.
i read an article saying that the govnment had to leave tge ste before the launch becauce of roswel... but than again u cant belive everything u read on the net:lol:
The Philadelphia Experiment, i believe to be plausible. What was involved to make the ship disappear and go through dimensions before coming back was Tesla's electrically charged magnetic coils that create a field or gravitational disruption around and object...by doing this...it is also possible to bend light around the ship rendering it invisible to the naked eye. What supposedly happened was that there were 2 brother sailors (Ed Cameron and Duncan Cameron) that jumped off ship as it became unstable from molecular diffusion and radiation.
the wierd thing is that when they jumped off they fell into an abyss and didnt hit water but were supposedly in the future -2137- ...more on this if you dont think its too outlandish. After that Ed Cameron seperated from his recovering brother at hospital they were staying in and was escorted by unknown personel to a different timeperiod of -2749 (i believe it was) and the way mr.Cameron described the future ...by 3000 there would be no living organism on the planet due to polarization of consciousness and loss of sex drives... more on this if you want to hear it.
Anyyyyway... Ed once again was contacted by the 'MIB' and poofed back to 1984...forget what happens there...then back to 1942 after the Eldridge incident and was deemed to have known wayy too much... sooo to make this story even more twisted .. he had a mental block put on him by the gov. through frequency manipulations and regressed back in time into a new body where he was known as Al Bielek, given a new life and identity... he lived a somewhat normal life until 83' when his memories of his past life came flooding in... he tells his story on a couple audio books and websites which ive listened to with much interest.
This is the craziest thing ive ever read but due to doing much research on other related subjects i cannot disprove of what went on with the Philadelphia experiment. You all should check out his audio recordings.. its like 15 hrs... he talks bout the futures hes been in and its mind boggling cookoo stuff that is just crazy enough to believe.
the wierd thing is that when they jumped off they fell into an abyss and didnt hit water but were supposedly in the future -2137- ...more on this if you dont think its too outlandish. After that Ed Cameron seperated from his recovering brother at hospital they were staying in and was escorted by unknown personel to a different timeperiod of -2749 (i believe it was) and the way mr.Cameron described the future ...by 3000 there would be no living organism on the planet due to polarization of consciousness and loss of sex drives... more on this if you want to hear it.
Anyyyyway... Ed once again was contacted by the 'MIB' and poofed back to 1984...forget what happens there...then back to 1942 after the Eldridge incident and was deemed to have known wayy too much... sooo to make this story even more twisted .. he had a mental block put on him by the gov. through frequency manipulations and regressed back in time into a new body where he was known as Al Bielek, given a new life and identity... he lived a somewhat normal life until 83' when his memories of his past life came flooding in... he tells his story on a couple audio books and websites which ive listened to with much interest.
This is the craziest thing ive ever read but due to doing much research on other related subjects i cannot disprove of what went on with the Philadelphia experiment. You all should check out his audio recordings.. its like 15 hrs... he talks bout the futures hes been in and its mind boggling cookoo stuff that is just crazy enough to believe.
sounds great ill check it out 
ummm... do you have a link to the recording?
ummm... do you have a link to the recording?
Here is the link to Al Bielek's and involved personnel's timelines and audio recordings:
http://www.bielek.com/ab_albielek.htm
http://www.bielek.com/ab_albielek.htm
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