Reality is myth, math, and metaphor - with a sprinkle of magic. Sitchen's theories - as with all others - is filled with metaphoric content - from 3600 years to Sumerian Gods creating a Biogenetic Program. It's all part of the alchemy of time and consciousness through which we experience and evolve.

Biography

Zecharia Sitchin (born 1920?) is a best-selling author promoting the ancient astronaut theory of mankind's origins. He attributes the creation of the ancient Sumerian culture to the Nephilim from Nibiru.

He also argues that the asteroid belt was once a planet which the Sumerians called Tiamat.

Although his 'planetary collision' theory superficially resembles a theory which is seriously entertained by modern astronomers - the giant impact theory of the Moon's formation about 4.5 billion years ago by a body impacting with the newly-formed Earth - Sitchin's proposed series of rogue planetary collisions post-dating the early formation of the solar system finds little or no support within the scientific arena.

As with Immanuel Velikovsky's earlier Worlds in Collision trilogy, Sitchin finds evidence of ancient human knowledge of rogue celestial motions in a variety of mythological accounts. In Velilovsky's case, these interplanetary collisions were supposed to have taken place within the span of human existence, whereas for Sitchin these occurred much earlier, but entered the mythological account passed down via the purported alien survivors of these encounters. In neither case are their respective interpretations of mythology held to be reliable by the great majority of scholars in the field.

Zecharia Sitchin was born in Russia and raised in Palestine, where he acquired a knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and European languages, the Old Testament, and the history and archaeology of the Near East. Sitchin attended and graduated from the University of London, majoring in economic history.

A journalist and editor in Israel for many years, he now lives and writes in New York. His books have been widely translated, converted to Braille for the blind, and featured on radio and television.Sitchin claims that his research coincides with many biblical texts and that the biblical texts come originally from the Sumerian writings of their history.

Theories

Sitchin has recently put forth his own date for the next passage of Nibiru in the year 2085, but the date most talked about is 2012 which marks the end of the Maya calendar.

Nibiru (the planet associated with Marduk in Babylonian cosmology) is a central element of Sitchin's theory. He claims it was a tenth planet (twelfth to those who included the Sun and Moon) which followed a long, elliptical orbit, reaching the inner solar system every 3600 years.

According to his theories of Sumerian cosmology, Nibiru was the twelfth member in the solar system family of planets (which includes 10 planets, the Sun, and the Moon). Its catastrophic collision with Tiamat, a planet that was between Mars and Jupiter, would have formed the planet Earth and the asteroid belt and comets.

It was the home of a technologically advanced human-like alien race Anunnaki of Sumerian myth, who, Sitchin claims, survived and later came to Earth. According to Sitchin, they subsequently genetically engineered our species, originally as slave animals to work in their gold mines, by crossing their genes with those of Homo erectus.

Sitchin says some sources speak about the same planet, possibly being a brown dwarf star and still in a highly elliptic orbit around the Sun, with a perihelion passage some 3,600 years ago and assumed orbital period of about 3,600 to 3,760 years or 3,741 years.

However, scientists argue that a planet with such an orbit would eventually either develop a circular orbit or fly off into space and overwhelmingly consider Sitchin's claims to be pseudoscience. Sitchin attributes these figures to astronomers of the Maya civilization.

However, a brown dwarf with a period of 3,760 years would be clearly evident through infrared and gravitational observations.In a recently published book, titled 2012: Appointment With Marduk, Turkish writer/researcher Burak Eldem presents a new theory, suggesting a 3,661 years orbital period for the planet and claiming a "return date" in the year 2012 AD.

According to Eldem's theory, 3,661 is one-seventh of 25,627, which is the total time span of "5 World Ages" according to Mayan Long Count Calendar system. The last orbital passage of Marduk, he adds, was in 1649 BC and caused great catastrophes on earth, including the Thera eruption.

Annunaki

Sitchin claims that artifacts and documents from the great library of Ashurbanipal at Nineveh and other sources, show technology and advanced scientific knowledge out of place for their time period. This he claims as proof for the following theory.

According to Sitchin in his book The 12th Planet, the Annunaki were extraterrestrials related to the Biblical Nephilim. He claims that they first arrived on Earth probably 450,000 years ago, looking for minerals, especially gold, which they found and mined in Africa. According to Sitchin, the "gods" of the Anunnaki were the rank and file workers of the colonial expedition to earth from the 12th planet, also known later, through the Babylonians, as Marduk.

Sitchin claims that ancient records report that a human civilization in Sumer of Mesopotamia was set up under the tutelage of these "gods" and human kings were inaugurated as go-betweens, foremen of the human populations answering to the Annunaki. The Nephilim "gods" were the commanders of the operation. The Anunnaki performed the menial labor, mining ores and building bases, while the Nephilim issued the orders setting these tasks into motion. It was only due to an uprising by the Anunnaki against the Nephilim in protest of these conditions that the Anunnaki 'workers' revolted against their overseers. Because of this the Nephilim and Anunnaki came together in a project to blend the DNA of Homo erectus with that of their own, thus giving rise to the Homo sapiens. He proposes that fallout from the nuclear weapons used during this struggle was the "evil wind" that destroyed Ur c. 2000 BCE, as recorded in the Lament for Ur.

Sitchin's claims are strongly disputed by archeologists and astronomers. Nevertheless, they have proven popular reading if only as science fiction, and they are a novel way of handling the enduring legacy of Mesopotamian mythology and astrology. His series of books has led directly to other works of popular fiction, such as the successful Stargate movies and TV films that have adapted his fanciful (and perhaps fun) theory that the Mesopotamian gods were in fact strange, resource hungry mortals. If not credible to mainstream scholars, his theory is at least an intriguing interpretation of the related phenomena of religious belief in the divine.

ok so we've established that you are happy to use invalid websites like crystal links as a source with your first post
http://www.crystalinks.com/sitchen.html
what are you going to do as an encore ?

This is his encore, I'll give it to him. Niburu collided with another planet light years away from earth. Niburu may have been the sun's twin star.

If the universe is expanding, how close do you think all of the stars were before the big bang? Well, let's say the earth had people on it just after the big bang. The people on this earth may not had to have the oxygen-nitrogen mixture they breathe now or they might not have had to breathe at all. They sat on mountains and watched the spectacle of galaxies exploding and they thought, 'Wow, that is a war in heaven. I hope it doesn't come here.' Open up your minds and go back to moments after the big bang. I don't think that y'all can do that because y'all don't have the capacity in your mind for the whole picture. Now, Apollyon, you could learn a few things from the Chrystalink site.

Encore! Encore!

Thanks for opening post Lion of Judah.

Sirens are going....warning....incoming flock of sceptics....who will, for sure, use very disrespectful words

and present themselves as complete 'know-it-alls'!!

Please, please, /PLEASE/ not another Sitchin thread when there are already numerous ones of them, and they always devolve into his believers figuratively closing their eyes, covering their ears and shouting "I can't hear you" while skeptics shout back "gullible naif!" and throw the entirety of modern science at them.

Ahem: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=94879&hl=



--Jaylemurph

your lack of comprehension about astronomy is astounding
you're saying that there were people around watching the big bang happening 13.7 billion years ago
dude the earth has only been around for 4.4 billion years
so those people didn't exist
and those mountains you said they were sitting on didn't exist
the heaven they were thinking about is a human belief so that didnt exist
oxygen and nitrogen atmospheres didn't exist because the elements were formed in the big bang itself which according to your statement was still happening

care to try for double jeopardy where the points can really count ?

I think you could learn a few things from well anything basically, try reading something, anything
but crystal links will never teach you anything


I agree
close this already and in future use the search function

I dont much care about an opinion from a guy who uses Dude in inteligent conversations. As for Sitchin He has some interesting things to say and opens your mind to interesting possibilities but to much of his work is conjecture, he reads to much into things and expands on them. For example if the Nefilim were so advanced why the need for human slave labour they couldnt make machines and if they were advanced wouldnt they find it wrong to enslave sentient beings. Another point how is the 12th planet heated if its so far away from the Sun.

luckily no one cares what you think about me
to be able to understand a subject you need to study it and look at all the details presented as evidence in it
clearly with your talk of Nefilim you have done neither
Sitchin has answered all those questions you asked (hes wrong but thats beside the point)
but you'd know that right seeing as youre posting in a thread about him pretending to know stuff
dude

Time for another edit - Duuude!

Harte

I read Sitchins books many times and his explanations are ridiculous, as I said he has interesting ideas but thats all they are.

as far as his qualifications go I think he has become an amazing success at the subject that hes qualified to talk about

*shakes head*

Unbelievable.

Oh my goodness, yes, it is indeed unbelievable. However, I'm convinced that this demonstrates why Sitchin continues to be popular. If one knows nothing about astronomy (basic science for that matter) then some of the things Sitchin concludes might seem (on the surface) to be plausible. It's imperative to go and study some basic science before dealing with the wild speculations that abound.

-_-'

I've read some of the original post. And I don't know what to make of it.

I didnt know their was a Sitchin University, Ohh I am sorry Profesor of the Absurd sciences. you do have a PHD in that?

I'm taking one of Sitchin's books on a camping trip to a remote Scottish island this weekend - as well as providing minutes of mirth and mayhem it may come in handy to light a fire or if I run out of toilet paper

(Seriously - I enjoy reading that sort of rubbish. In the same way that other adults like reading Harry Potter books or Superman comics I guess)

He's qualified as an economic historian
those are the people who can look at a specific market (lets say authorship) and then flood it with cheap crap until people are drowning in it
i think hes doing rather well, way better than David Hatcher Childress who is also an economist
Or hancock who is a journalist
or Robert Bauval who is a tour guide
or Andrew Collins who is a qualified idiot
this list could quickly get extensive
ill end it here

Don't know if or how this might fit in with Sitchen's theories.....but we do appear to have

a 10th planet!

When I was reading about 'Eris' I couldn't help wondering!!!





(I high-lighted the words above)

More about Eris...http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=78578

'Eris' is said to have an orbit of 560 years...which of course is not the 3600 that Sitchin speculated. But.

Anyone, who takes Sitchin seriously got any thoughts on this.......

people who take Sitchin seriously don't have a thought in their head
he doesnt believe it himself so why should anyone else

As I said before....does anyone who takes Sitchin seriously have any thoughts on

the new '10th' planet 'Eris'......?


PS...Don't let the 'thought police' put you off expressing yourself!!!

Well, I for one enjoyed this post. I like Sitchin and his theories. I find them extremely interesting. Don't be discouraged from further postings!

lol i laughed when i read the post you quoted that guy in.

Even if Eris is larger than Pluto, it's still several orders of magnitude smaller then 'Nibiru' would be; this isn't any sort of proof for Planet X.

--Jaylemurph

I don't know how big 'Nibiru' is speculated to be.....but even though the orbit of Eris is around 560 years (?)

as opposed to the speculated orbit of 'Nibiru' as 3600....surely the fact that now there is scientific proof

of a 10th planet in our solar system.....is of great interest concerning the theories of Sitchin.

If he was, after all, correct in the matter of a 10th planet.....what else MIGHT he be right about?

As Eris was only formally accepted 2 years ago, we must have a lot more to learn about it.

he wasn't correct about a tenth planet
youre clearly heavily agendised in believing whatever rubbish you hear
are you a member of the sitchinista ?

his supposed aliens didnt bother to tell him that in reality Pluto isn't a planet in its own right as its not big enough
so apparently the aliens were only as advanced as we were about 30 years ago as they were also using N.A.S.A. command capsule technology retrievibf downed modules in the red sea
what is interesting is that he then refined that in the mid 80s and claimed that the aliens had a space shuttle which was landing in the sinai desert
where he gets his ideas from god only knows
right

fyi the term planet X was around for a long time before sitchin
he has made zero contribution to credibility for any real science
he doesnt defend his own arguments
because he can't
he knows that the only reason people buy his books is because theyre too stupid to see the truth
the truth of course being that as a trained economist he knows what rubbish people will buy
he has no historical or linguistic qualifications at all
and his theories rely heavily on the condition of him being an expert historian and linguist
which he isnt
don't you ever wonder why not one single qualified person has ever agreed with a single word he say
is ignorance bliss ?
lol

The evidence speaks for itself.



Well, from it's discovery in 1930 until very recently...it was regarded as a planet in it's own right.

And now, with Eris...it is still regarded as a 'dwarf planet'.




Indeed...and the same could be said for any philosopher or scientist that thinks 'outside the box'.




That is a very silly thing to say. Whether he is right or wrong in his speculations....he has made a very real

mark in the world....in the sphere of ancient history detective work...and the sphere of ideas.




you tell me.....is it?

Just... no.
No one who's seriously qualified to judge his work (in ancient history) thinks he's anything but a sub-par crank. It's all the people with no background in history or science who lionize him -- who mistake what they want to believe for facts.

--Jaylemurph

err no
he has made a contribution to the ignorance of certain members of the book buying public
clearly you either don't know what hes actually saying or you don't know anything about real history to have claimed that
maybe you should do some reading

I think many people just think he has some interesting ideas worthy of consideration.


.....the days have gone when only 'seriously qualified'

people are allowed to dictate what everyone else is 'allowed' to consider.

This is distressing for those, who believe that they hold all the cards....but this is how it is.

In this day and age....those thinking 'within the box' are kind of being left behind.....

Mixing in new, dynamic ideas with what is already known.....is the order of the day.

Granted, but that's no excuse to propagate foolishness.

--Jaylemurph

What is considered as 'foolishness' today.....maybe develope into the 'truth' for tomorrow.

I.e. We now have a 10th planet.

What next?

Maybe... but Flat Earthers will be as foolish in 200 years as they are now.

--Jaylemurph

err no we don't
see this is what I meant about gullible
to start with Pluto is no longer regarded as a planet
and secondly sitchins book was caled the twelth planet
not the tenth

Pluto, ....is now 'regarded' as a 'dwarf planet'....who knows what it will

be 'regarded' as tomorrow or the next day. It exists.....so does Eris...can't you even except

scientific proof that we now have 10 planets......just as Sitchin speculated?

Sitchin claimed that there were 12 planets not ten

see look heres the book cover
you'll notice how it doesn't mention a tenth planet at all
Sitchin claimed that the moon was a planet
he also claimed that the sun was a planet
the Sumerians themselves never knew of any more than 5 planets
this you would know if you had studied the subject
please answer the following questions
1.how many of his books have you actually read ?
2.how many years have you spent studying sumerology ?

Humans have been on this earth for about 1 million years. You wanna try for double jeopardy? How about triple stakes? The earth is 900,000,000,000 years old; not 4.4 billion, but 900 billion. Humans started out as pond scum. Pond scum turned into algae. Algae turned into sponge. Sponge tuned into fish. Fish turned into frogs. Frogs turned into land mammals. Land mammals turned into bipeds. Bipedal mammals were around for awhile and mutations occured. A family of these creatures gave birth to hairless twins and that started the race. All of these divisions were sudden; no explanations, but I figure that a species can only progress and adapt so much in the environment it is in and then it goes outside of the box. Zechariah Sitchin is wrong about this solar system. The sun was the only element of this system until a black hole traveling through space pulled the planets and the asteroids and comets from the sun. That is probably where Zechariah got his ideas about a twin star from. Sure, after the big bang, the atmosphere was mostly sulphur dioxide for hundreds of millions of years with all of the compression and shifting, but chemistry is an amazing thing. This earth was not an accident. This earth is but 1 of hundreds of thousands of earths in this system. In the middle of this system is a big ball of light. Hubble showed you that. Probably on the other end is a black hole that is pulling all of the galaxies and stars off of this big ball or it could be anti-gravity, I don't know. But, the formation of this solar system is one of the first that was formed in this universe and there are about 49 universes on this first level. We are but the first. There is 7 more inside this of 49 universes each. See, we have a long, long, long way to go and you go through every one of those universes. It is hard to imagine if you have never been there, but I have come from there and I want to thank somebody in this forum for giving me insight into who I am.
The information is found in The Urantia Book commissioned by the Superuniverse government and approved for release in 1934. It would do everybody very much benefit if they would read it and then they would figure out so much of what they don't know, so much of what cannot be told them.

the Urantia book (moronita as it is better known) is a pile of channeled crap
you can't substitute personal beliefs for facts
the genus Homo contains :-
Homo habilis
Homo rudolfensis and Homo georgicus
Homo ergaster and Homo erectus
Homo cepranensis and Homo antecessor
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo rhodesiensis, and the Gawis cranium
Homo sapiens
Homo floresiensis

well I expect that you havent heard of them because they don't appear in the Morontia book
H. sapiens idaltu , from Ethiopia, lived from about 160,000 years ago It is the oldest known anatomically modern human.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#Homo_sapiens

Modern geologists consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.567 billion years (4.567×109 years). This age represents a compromise between the interpretations of oldest-known terrestrial minerals – small crystals of zircon from the Jack Hills of Western Australia – and astronomers' and planetologists' determinations of the age of the solar system based in part on radiometric age dating of meteorite material and lunar samples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_earth

now we come to the Morontia book itself perhaps you can explain why it is in a book which claims to have been channeled to humans from an extra terrestrial source seems to only have an understanding of the world the same as we did back in the 1950s when it was written

please explain the following
The described formation of the solar system is consistent with the Chamberlin-Moulton planetesimal hypothesis [2]. Though popular in the early part of the 20th century, by the early 1940s it was discarded by Henry Russell's argument that it was incompatible with the angular momentum of planets such as Jupiter [3]. The currently accepted scientific explanation for the origin of the solar system is based on the nebular hypothesis.
The age of our universe is stated to be more than 1,000,000,000,000 years old and the universe is said to periodically expand and contract — respire — at 2-billion-year intervals. The big bang theory is not supported.
A fundamental particle called an "ultimaton" is proposed, with an electron being composed of 100 ultimatons. The particle is not known to be described anywhere else and the concept is not supported by modern particle physics.
Some species are said to have evolved suddenly from single mutations without transitional species. The theory originated with Dutch botanist Hugo De Vries but was short-lived and is not now supported.
According to The Urantia Book, multi-colored human races originated suddenly in one generation and in one family, producing brothers and sisters that variously turned blue, yellow, red, green, orange, and indigo when exposed to sunlight. Their offspring subsequently favored the parent color. Later, Adam and Eve produced a violet race. In the book's account, the blue, yellow, and red races were considered "primary," and the green, orange, and indigo "secondary." The green and orange races were driven to extinction, and the rest mixed over time. Modern evolutionary theory does not support the account.
The book repeats the idea prevalent at the time of its origin that one side of the planet Mercury always faces the sun due to tidal locking. In 1965, radio astronomers discovered that Mercury actually rotates fast enough for all sides to see exposure to the sun.
The book says that a solar eclipse was predicted in 1808 by the Native American prophet Tenskwatawa. The eclipse actually was predicted in late April of 1806 and occurred on June 16, 1806.

thats the big problem when posting on a known nut
it draws all the othe nuts out of the woodwork

A lot of people seem to be bagging and gagging this Sitchin bloke. I'm not saying either way that hes a fraud or not because put simply, i don't know enough about him apart from reading a couple of his books from the earth chronicles series, i also realize that some of his theories are a little out there so to speak.
But how many others here really know him well enough to judge him?
From the few articles i've read on him the man has been around walking the walk and talking the talk for over 40 yrs, surly he must be doing something right or people would have woke up to his so called bullsh*t ages ago...

*JMO



*

I agree.

I'm amazed at the lengths the anti-Sitchen crowd will go to, to mock and knock him.

It actually makes me want to look at his ideas more closely.

What is it that has got people so rattled?

The planet thing? The Anunnaki thing? The human-hybrid thing?

i think its more likely to be the balderdash thing. And the fact that people seem more interested in his daftness than legitimate research and conclusions. Admitedly these conclusions evolve as our legitimate research enlightens us further, but at least they start from a point of credibility.
To illustrate the point picture a bookshelf in an airport...
there are only 2 books (maybe a bit low on stock) one is a book by Sitchin, making sensational claims about the Sumerian culture, the other is an academic book on the subject....which book do most people pick up and buy? Its the same reason most folk join this site rather than academic ones...they like stories, a mixture of supernatural, fantasy, fantastical. People are drawn to apparent mysteries, they love fairy-tales, ghosts, gods, demons and dragons, giants, heros, monsters, aliens, psychic powers. This isnt wrong, its our nature.

The interest these type of books can stir is a good thing, i think; if you really are interested in Sitchin and his theories there are a number of areas of enquiry...read what he says about the planets and why, then look at astronomy and see how astronomers come to their conclusions. Read what he says and then look at the Sumerian evidence he uses, how he interprets it, if and how it differs from other interpretations...the reasons for their difference. At the very least youll come away knowing more about space and a very important ancient civilisation. so its a win-win for you. You may even be able to spot something that both those 'thinking inside the box' and sensationalist author missed or interpreted in a way you dont agree with.

Most of what we accept as 'history' relies on the interpretation of evidence, sometimes things arent as clear-cut as they are presented. It is in these grey areas that debate and research is most vibrant.

... now what's funny is that the anti-Sitchin people are the only ones who can apparently spell his name correctly.
Who knows -- maybe whoever Sitchen is has some rational, comprehensible astronomical/anthropological theories.

--Jaylemurph

That was a cheap shot, Jaylemurph....was it really necessary?

Sitchin is the cheap shot
he used the 2004 tsunami as part of his publicity

http://www.sitchin.com/media.htm
thats whats called a cheap shot
Jaylemurph is just showing he has a sense of humour
wheres yours ?

Did you ever think that Urantia is our twin planet, the planet described by Zech?
While I do not put any faith in the studies of man because every time he says that this or that is true, it becomes false. Now, which one of those classes of humans practised burning the dead, pyres? That's why we have no links between the early animals and man. The thinking of mankind grew from complete trust in the environment to fear of disease, so they started burning their refuse and when they conquered villages they burned every trace of existence of the former owners. Scientist have found some incomplete fosils of pre-humans that could be a link between them and animals.
OK, look at a person from China, the 'yellow' race. The eskimo is the remains of the 'blue' race, the Nordics. The black man is the indigos. The white man is the violet race. But, now there is no true race on earth anymore. The red man came from Asia to California and filled North America and was eliminated by the violet race from Europe, which is true.
The Mormon religion has a main character named Moroni, which I take to mean 'Morontia,' and it is the copies of several plates of whatever and I believe they are the copies of 'The Urantia Book' put together with the bible. The Urantia Book tells you that the descriptions of time are different. The Urantia Book is said to be the writings, 2500 pages, that describe the origins of earth by members of the Superuniverse Government. It follows the bible and , as I say, the Book of Mormon is a copy of that plus the bible. The Urantia Book was transmitted in 1934 from residents on this planet, it was not something transmitted from far away, a channeled book!
The Urantia book is the only book I have found of its kind in 29 years that does not describe any other planet than this earth and the life that is on it and the chemical makeup. No other instructor, scientist, or layman who describes the origin of this earth stays on this earth. Like Sitchen, they fly out there in universeland to tell you where we came from. What good does that do you? You did not pop up from some ghostly deity who inserted his being into you. You came up from the animals on this earth and when you were of a mind to advance beyond your capacity, you were Adjusted.
We are now Homo sapiens sapiens in the midst of Homo sapiens and Homo erectus.
If you look into the Celtic beliefs of Ireland, it describes the 'green' race, i.e. the Green Man. and the I haven't figure out the 'orange' race yet. But look at a rainbow. What colors are there?
In the bible, it says somewhere that Jehovah put a 'bow' in the sky to tell man that He would not destroy mankind again and in The Urantia Book, this 'bow' is said to be a memorial to man of the races that were destroyed.
I haven't come across anything about Mercury in The Urantia Book yet but what I thought about was the moon, the moon does not rotate.

Here's something from The Urantia Book:

I have been studying this book for awhile and I put together other things.

The Creator Sons in the Deity association of God the Sevenfold provide the mechanism whereby the mortal becomes immortal and the finite attains the embrace of the infinite. The Supreme Being provides the technique for the power-personality mobilization, the divine synthesis, of all these manifold transactions, thus enabling the finite to attain the absonite and, through other possible future actualizations, to attempt the attainment of the Ultimate. The Creator Sons and their associated Divine Ministers are participants in this supreme mobilization, but the Ancients of Days and the Seven Master Spirits are probably eternally fixed as permanent administrators in the grand universe.
8. The function of God the Sevenfold dates from the organization of the seven superuniverses, and it will probably expand in connection with the future evolution of the creations of outer space. The organization of these future universes of the primary, secondary, tertiary, and quartan space levels of progressive evolution will undoubtedly witness the inauguration of the transcendent and absonite approach to Deity.

*** In the ‘Tablets of Thoth,’ there are seven controllers of the matrix of the mind:
THREE is the binding power; the director of the negative.
FOUR is the looser of the power; the Lord of Life; the Light and Flame.
FIVE is the Lord of All Magic; Key to the vibration of the word.
SIX is the Lord of Light to the Pathway.
SEVEN is the Lord of the Omniverse; the Master of Space; Key of the Times.
EIGHT is the Lord of Progress; the Balancer of the Weight.
NINE is the Begetter of Forms.
*** In ‘Astral Dynamics: a new approach to OBE’ by Robert Bruce pg. 369, fig. 29, there is a figure of Seven Primary Astral Planes with esch level between the planes above and below are three sub-planes and within the sub-planes are sub-sub-planes.
*** In ‘Pistis Sophia’ by G.R.S. Mead, ch. 1, pg. 2, it speaks of the Regions of the Great Invisible, the Treasury of Light, and the Light-world. The Regions of the Great Invisible has three triple-powers and twenty four invisibles, many aeons and orders. The Treasury of Light contains seven regions. In the Light-world there are five Helpers. In one of the seven regions is the five Trees.
*** In the Tablets of Thoth there are names given to each protecter of the level:
1. Untanas
2. Quertus
3. Chietal
4. Goyana
5. Huertal
6. Semveta
7. Ardal
****
From The Urantia Book:

The actuality of the existence of God is demonstrated in human experience by the indwelling of the divine presence, the spirit MONITOR sent from Paradise to live in the mortal mind of man and there to assist in evolving the immortal soul of eternal survival.

*** ‘Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health,’ L. Ron Hubbard, pg. 59, ‘The Monitor can be called the center of awareness of the person. It, inexactly speaking, is the person.

This is what it says about humans:

From the year A.D. 1934 back to the birth of the first two human beings is just 993,419 years.

This is what it says about the age of the earth:

This is what you say: 'The age of our universe is stated to be more than 1,000,000,000,000 years old and the universe is said to periodically expand and contract — respire — at 2-billion-year intervals.'

From the book: '1,000,000 years ago Urantia was registered as an inhabited world. A mutation within the stock of the progressing Primates suddenly produced two primitive human beings, the actual ancestors of mankind.'
A few pages back: '1,000,000,000 years ago is the date of the actual beginning of Urantia history. The planet had attained approximately its present size. And about this time it was placed upon the physical registries of Nebadon and given its name, Urantia. '

So, The Urantia Book is not at odds with the present-day scientific thought. And here is what you say: 'The currently accepted scientific explanation for the origin of the solar system is based on the nebular hypothesis.'

This is from The Urantia Book: '4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull.'

That is your nebular hypothesis.

And here's some more:

As Angona more closely approached the sun, at moments of maximum expansion during solar pulsations, streams of gaseous material were shot out into space as gigantic solar tongues. At first these flaming gas tongues would invariably fall back into the sun, but as Angona drew nearer and nearer, the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tongues of gas would break off at certain points, the roots falling back into the sun while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter, solar meteorites, which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of their own.

I'm sorry Gregg but you have been indocrinated into a false belief system
Urantians generally don't know anything of the real facts behind the beliefs they claim to be true (you included obviously)
which is of course why they claim them
even the Xtians don't like it
they think its blasphemous

http://www.ubhoax.org/

...well, let's face it:

If you're willing to unquestioningly accept Sitchin's non-sense, logic suggests you'll likely believe anything else as far-fetched with as much faith.
Why not Urantia?

--Jaylemurph

Hoax? Is yours or my intellect false? Is it growing. I haven't seen any growth other than commercial buildings, physical layouts, and the addition to the amount of people driving down the road which has led the Pope to draw up 10 Commandments for driving; how ignorant of the effects of toxic fumes on the human. And the first commandment is, 'Thou shalt not kill.'

Did y'all pay any attention to the mattress warehouse fire in South Carolina?

It was 9/11 all over again in a small scale. About 20 or 30 firefighters stood outside while the warehouse burned and it was just an inferno. They reasoned among themselves that there was other people in there. So they went in. 1 or 2 of them wisely came back out after they stepped in there and noticed how much it was burning. 9 went in and the roof collapsed.

What that is is not heroism. It is a misguided belief that the Son of Man will be there to save you. Compare that action to Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego in Daniel about the fiery furnace. Now, there is a controlling belief that is present among all individuals.

What makes you think the UB is a hoax? Have you read it? It does take awhile and probably more attention than is presently available to the general public because of their 'Supersize me' attitude.

You know, those firefighters that went in that building are now where we are going to be and 'dead' is not the right word. They are very much alive. They just progressed faster.

Al Quaeda set fire to a mattress warehouse now
theyre despicable arent they

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEsa...SEsaros149.html

Catalog of Solar Eclipse Saros 149
TD of
Seq. Rel. Calendar Greatest Luna Ecl. Ecl. Sun Sun Path Central
Num. Num. Date Eclipse ΔT Num. Type Gamma Mag. Lat. Long. Alt Azm Width Dur.
s ° ° ° ° km

01 -37 1664 Aug 21 08:58:23 29 -4148 Pb 1.4870 0.0844 71.0N 173.8E 0 309
02 -36 1682 Sep 01 16:42:24 13 -3925 P 1.4279 0.1978 71.5N 44.3E 0 296
03 -35 1700 Sep 13 00:34:18 8 -3702 P 1.3749 0.2996 71.9N 87.6W 0 283
04 -34 1718 Sep 24 08:34:20 10 -3479 P 1.3282 0.3889 72.0N 138.3E 0 269
05 -33 1736 Oct 04 16:41:34 11 -3256 P 1.2874 0.4670 71.9N 2.4E 0 255
06 -32 1754 Oct 16 00:57:46 14 -3033 P 1.2535 0.5314 71.5N 135.5W 0 241
07 -31 1772 Oct 26 09:21:18 16 -2810 P 1.2255 0.5846 70.9N 85.1E 0 228
08 -30 1790 Nov 06 17:53:11 16 -2587 P 1.2044 0.6245 70.1N 55.8W 0 215
09 -29 1808 Nov 18 02:30:03 12 -2364 P 1.1874 0.6564 69.2N 162.6E 0 202 ****** November 18, 1808 ******
There was no eclipse in 1806.
10 -28 1826 Nov 29 11:14:08 9 -2141 P 1.1764 0.6770 68.2N 19.9E 0 191

Ever and anon, true prophets and teachers arose to denounce and expose shamanism. Even the vanishing red man had such a prophet within the past hundred years, the Shawnee Tenskwatawa, who predicted the eclipse of the sun in 1808 and denounced the vices of the white man. Many true teachers have appeared among the various tribes and races all through the long ages of evolutionary history. And they will ever continue to appear to challenge the shamans or priests of any age who oppose general education and attempt to thwart scientific progress.

You said:

the genus Homo contains :-
Homo habilis
Homo rudolfensis and Homo georgicus
Homo ergaster and Homo erectus
Homo cepranensis and Homo antecessor
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo rhodesiensis, and the Gawis cranium
Homo sapiens
Homo floresiensis

The facts are:

http://www.msu.edu/~heslipst/contents/ANP440/habilis.htm

Australopithecus gahri

Suspicions exist that the East African Australopithecus garhi may represent an evolutionary link between Australopithecus and Homo. The remains are from the time when there is very few fossils, between 2.0-3.0 million years ago. Tim White was the scientist to find the first of A. garhi's key fossils in 1996 near the village of Bouri, located in the Afar region of Ethiopia

Before that one:

Australopithecus bahrelghazali

The species designation of Australopithecus bahrelghazali is a new one, currently gaining more and more support among scientists. Arguments against the case for it being its own species are based upon its resemblances to Australopithecus afarensis. A. bahrelghazali was discovered by Michel Brunet in 1993, in the ancient riverbed of Bahr el Ghazal in Chad, located 2,500 kilometers west of the East African Rift Valley. This is currently the first and only australopithecine specimen to be found in North-Central Africa, and is also the furthest west of any specimen found to date. Australopithecus bahrelghazali dates to between 3.0 and 3.5 million years ago.

Sometime around that:

Australopithecus africanus

Australian anatomist at the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa, named Raymond Dart, discovered the first australopithecine in 1924. His particular find was that of an immature ape-like specimen, comign from the quarry at Taung, South Africa. In an artcile he wrote for the magazing "Nature", Dart made the highly controversial statement, in that claimed his find to have been a descendent of humanity. Upon being joined in his research by one, Robert Broom, the duo were to uncover further examples of this specimen that they were to name Australopithecus africanus.
A. africanus lived throughout Southern Africa from dates ranging between 2.3 to 3.3 million years.
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Perspectives:
A Description of Fossil Hominids and Their Origins

Craig Byron
Kent State University

When considering human origins it’s important to keep in mind the nature and structure of the primate evolutionary tree. Primates are the product of significant mammalian adaptive radiations which occurred throughout the early Tertiary, ~ 70-50 mya (millions of years ago). Within the development of extant (living) primates, there have also been several adaptive radiations (~ 50 mya-present). The emergence of hominids came from a common ancestor of extant apes and humans from approximately 6-7 mya. Modern apes, (chimpanzees), are not our immediate ancestors or progenitors but rather more appropriately, our siblings. We both exist in the temporal present and have only morphologically distinct parent taxa to serve as a common ancestor. According to this view, the australopithecines, like the ardipithecines, are hominid radiations. One species-level taxa from the ardipithecines gave rise to the australopithecine radiation. Likewise, from this radiation came one Australopithecus species that gave rise to the Homo lineage
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From your wiki site:

The evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back for some 85 million years, as one of the oldest of all surviving placental mammal groups.

From the UB:

2. THE DAWN MAMMALS
A little more than one million years ago the Mesopotamian dawn mammals, the direct descendants of the North American lemur type of placental mammal,
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suddenly appeared. They were active little creatures, almost three feet tall; and while they did not habitually walk on their hind legs, they could easily stand erect. They were hairy and agile and chattered in monkeylike fashion, but unlike the simian tribes, they were flesh eaters. They had a primitive opposable thumb as well as a highly useful grasping big toe. From this point onward the prehuman species successively developed the opposable thumb while they progressively lost the grasping power of the great toe. The later ape tribes retained the grasping big toe but never developed the human type of thumb

Makes you wonder, where did these people come up with their ideas? Did they disappear to the back room and copy The Urantia Book?