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however this topic is huge, i would like to talk about creation and why it is wonderful to be created as humanbeings.


it was said that humanbeings is the best art of Allah and -all- the universe and everything in it was created for humanbeings. entire world and every creature living on it and all the angels were created for us.
so what really makes humanbeings that special? if we were that important why there's a place called hell?

animals were given insticts and ego. they always do their best to stay alive. they have to feed themselves whenever they are hungry. they are smart enough for themselves but they are not given intellect.

angels do not have ego. except a few Archangels, they do not have freewill. they are all given intellect.

humanbeings are special. because we are given intellect and ego together. if a person becomes a slave of his ego, he was considered lower than animals. if he choses his intellect and follow the orders of the Creator he would purify his ego in time. there are 28 steps in that path. it contains 4 surrenders. whoever complete all those steps purifies his ego and at the end he surrenders his free will to Allah. that means he would be under the command of divine will. he would not do anything according to himself or for himself. those people who surredered to Allah become One with the Creator cos they would be slaves of divine will.

it was said they are above angels.

the reason why we were given free will is we were given ego and intellect together. so we can choose inbetween. weither we become better or worst.

no third option is there.






thank you for your time

Why do you say animals have no intellect?

Interesting perspective Lava. Can you elaborate a little more on that thought?

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they've got what they need to stay alive. some smarter then others like otters.
they are programmed to do what they do which means while one otter building a dam the other one wouldnot be building a ship. they would be all doing the same thing.
they can not grow technology like people do.

they are not intellectual, therefor they arenot responsible for their actions. no heaven or hell made for them.

If tool use isn't technology, what is?

So animals have not fallen from the grace of the Creator?

I don't know about all of that. Otters build dams because they live in them not for the purpose to detour water or stop it entirely. Some monkeys use tools to get termites out of termite mounds. Dogs won't take a peepee around a water source because they believe it will affect there water supply. All these things seem to me like they invented these ideals themselves for the purpose of there survival.

otters do not live in dams. after they cut the flowing water with dam they build a house with a small hole under the water. builds dam cos they need calmer water. when water becomes calmer the nature in it changes and it effects many creatures. otters do not plan it.

i've seen very smart animals. like oneday someone knocked my garden door -well, in the middle of the night. i was surprised when i saw a cat in front of the door. i feed animals so there were no food left. she was asking for it.

a rocket to the moon?

or
finding cures for diseases
clonning creatures
transporting organs


well, basicly going further and further

no, that's not what i meant. on the contrary, they are innocent creatures. if an animal kills, it would not be considered as murderer. it wouldnot be judged for the things it's done after life.

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Talk about human intel.. ... *sighs* nevermind..

Otters don't build dams or live in built huts... beavers do this. Otters use tools like rocks and such to open clams and other shellfish...

And the beaver damns are actually benificial to the habbitats... it creats new sources of food and new places for wetland animals to live...


Though, the irony of this post is astounding now.

what thought do you mean?

hehe
i ate irony at dawn only

i checked dictionary for the name of that animal. i thought it was called beaver (thanks to cartoon/angry beavers) but dictionary says 'otter'
now i do wonder what a otter is.

Here is a link to an otter site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otter

Here is a site about beavers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver

don't tell my cat this. she'll rip you to shreds.

In my belief we are not that different from animals. Each creature has it own way to live and survive. We are cleaver with our hands and create a complex culture. Whales live in the sea don't do much work, just swim around, sing, have a complex culture, and eat tasty seafood. Not a bad life if you ask me. Seems like a better way to live, than monkeying around with all this technology. I think whales are more advanced than we are. We might have the upper hand with technology but what good will it do us if we make the Earth unlivable with it.

Animals are just on a different step of the journey the realms of spirit and the realms of matter. They have souls just as we do and they advance on the path to the realm of Gods as we do. We are on the same path right behind the whales cause we are animals too. I think in my next life I would really like to be a whale.

What you call angels I call the kindred, they are the fae, dwarfs, and other spirits and beings in the realm of magic. They have free will as we do. Some are friendly and helpful, some aren't and some like to play tricks.

We all have different beliefs and none are more right that the others.

lol

tell your cat i am not alone and i have many buddies.
nearly a dozen of cats and a hedgehog visit me everyday.

yes, it is like we have the same colours but we make different pictures. i find if charming, that is just my nature.

chameleon (i took the name from dictionary btw) is an amazing creature. salamander as well. what they physically do is really fascinating. some people could put a meaning on the animal.
if i am not mistaken salamander was taken as a symbol of eternity.

to me, they are creation of Allah. when i look at them i see the work, the science of Allah. every animal, every plant and flower stand there to show what Allah created for us to see. all of beauty, dozens of tones of green in the woods, smells of roses....it is just like a great gesture, an amazing gift that i can't ignore.

well, that's how i feel.