An interesting article....actually it relates to Buzz Aldrin

Paris Hilton Reveals NASA UFO Secrets (Sort Of)

Written by Bill Knell
Thursday, 14 June 2007

Buzz Aldrin was scheduled for a phone interview on the Friday, June 8, 2007, edition of Your World with Neil Cavuto on the Fox News cable channel. Originally booked to talk about the latest space shuttle launch, he suddenly found himself being asked about Paris Hilton and had some very interesting things to say.

Friday, June 8, 2007, should have been a big news day. A former Preacher's Wife was sentenced to three years in prison for shooting her husband in the back while he slept. A Tax Protestor couple in New Hampshire discovered what happens when you challenge the authority of people you elect to office: You get state police and an army of federal troops with tanks and federal agents with submachine guns at your door. The space shuttle took off on a mission to support the International Space Station. It was announced that the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was stepping down. East Coast air travel was practically brought to a stand still by a computer glitch.

None of those news pieces ended up being the biggest story of the day. Instead it was Paris (Hilton, not France). Yes, it apparently took Fox and other news gathering and reporting organizations eight hours to tell the tale of Naughty Paris and the Nasty Judge. It didn't seem to bother the news pundits that Paris was ordered back to jail to serve a forty-five day sentence for a probation violation, when other celebs have spent as little as five hours in jail for the same thing. I mean, give a gal a break! Don't billion dollar babies get an automatic pass? Regardless of how you feel about the Paris Affair, it may have paid off in an unusual way for UFO Researchers.

Buzz Aldrin was supposed to be talking about the latest Space Shuttle Mission. Imagine his surprise when the famous astronaut's guest spot was jammed into the middle of the never-ending discussion about Paris. An experienced media guest, Buzz is never at a loss for prefabricated words. Years ago I appeared on the Sally Jesse Raphael Show with him and a few other UFO Researchers. As long as you didn't ask him anything out of the ordinary, he had some terrific prepared responses. If you did, he stammered and stumbled. That's what happened on Your World with Neil Cavuto today around 1:30pm Arizona Time.

Asked to comment on how he felt about living in a world where Paris dominates the news for hours on end, he began by stammering on about some science fiction book he once wrote. The story was about a civilization that was going to be destroyed in exactly 140 years by a terrible calamity. He point was that everyone knew about it and did nothing until the very last minute. Huh? Like I said, not good without the prefab responses.

Read MUCH MORE on this interesting article HERE


Does anyone know if there is a way to listen or read transcripts of this particular show Aldrin was heard on?? Personally I RARELY ever watch / or listen to Fox News Tabloid crap - but I would've enjoyed listening to Buzz..

Not everyone interviews well (everyone ask themself how they'd do in a similar situation...I'd probably suck at it!). The guy was an astronaut, not someone who needed to be media saavy.



Now this actually makes sense to me, I mean here we are with all sorts of real issues (energy issues, nuclear proliferation, terrorism etc.) and what do we focus on...a vapid, spoiled, little rich girl! This sounds quite like the stupid society in Buzz's book to me.

Good article Cinders. The debunkers on here have always said it was the booster rocket Aldrin was talking about ....In this article he comes right out and says it was a UFO
Interesting reading about Armstrong also .....I'd sure like to hear what he's got say about it.

Yea, Bogeyman- that article is quite interesting, amusing and sad in a way.. how unimportant things are given such huge attention etc.

Hey, I did find a "small snippet" of Aldrin heard on Fox from June 8 2007 - unfortunately it's not ALL of the interview with him:

Buzz Aldrin Talks About UFO On Fox News

It definately goes in line with what he said on this film (uploaded Dec 15th 2006):

Buzz Aldrin Talks About UFO during Apollo 11

You know - I find it continuingly funny at the logic that people use - especially when they do not use just a little common sense. Imagine going for an interivew. You are given a set of questions that will likely be asked. You rehearse so you 'know your stuff'. I've done for local interviews I've had. Then they throw something totally outside what you were given as expected questions. Does this catch you off guard - hell yes! That would be very easily done. It would be human to stammer and look

In one interview recently, I was in a dialog on the radio w/another local known person. I went to this guys meeting the night before to get a 'feel' of who he was and where he was coming from. The night before he was talking about money he was trying to raise for a specific project. It was all about the $$$ one person the audiance even asked specifically how much was he trying to raise. $10,000.00.

The day of the interview I asked him, during the dialog about the $$$ and he looked at me and said, "I'm not trying to raise any money! I am trying to get some clout in the UofW to see if I can talk about....." Now the MC and I just looked at each other, Because he also was at the night before meeting. Even the MC was "lost" for a few seconds. During the prior evening meeting NOTHING was said about, "trying to get some clout in the U of W. In fact nothing was even mentioned about the U of W!" But he continued to talk to us about this like we knew what he was talking about..... The MC recovered, but the rest of the interview was strained, because the other guest went out into a dialog that had nothing to do w/the prior night meeting. Which by the way, was supposed to have been the topic.

So ya - I can see Buzz stammering. These programs are set up in advanced so when it suddenly changes in the middle of the actual interview - it can be stammering!

No cover-up, nothing more than just a sudden obvious stray from the pre-arranged topic that was agreed up and set up to be on.

well, there can be cover-ups sometimes. in a book i have, someone was doing an interview on national television, when he started talking about ufos and their existance. when they cut the live feed off. then claimed they were having 'technical difficulties'.
was there one here? im not sure, doesnt sound like it, seeing as they just decided to bring up paris hilton..........skank

U know - it could also be nothing more than "staged" - to 'bring attention'. Think about it. You want to create some 'attention' some viewer ratings. What better way than to plan something that 'believers' especially would be watching for! A cut out of the program! Wham - "cover up". Staged though to create exactly the emotional condition to "bring them back". Please do not think that this would/could not be done on purpose. Ratings are very important and they will do w/in reason anything for ratings. Staging a 'power out' during an interview - not at all impossible. Not at all.....

ahh yes, the answer of a sceptic. although i dont think it was just about ratings here. he got in trouble after because he wasnt supposed to just go and talk about it willy nilly on national television.
but sure people would stay tuned, but alot would just say 'pfft, f this. i think friends is on now. maybe we'll go back to it later'
so who knows

Well, I don't think the guards in that prison will be too worried about Paris being held captive. They'd most likely think of it as a real "pleasure"...

I'd suggest maybe reading Neil's biography, where the issue is discussed at length (a great deal being Buzz's impressions...which is not unusual).

A UFO is an unidentified flying object. By the early to mid 1960s, the term had started to become erroneously associated with alien beings and their spaceships. This was not the original intent of the term, and pilots used it all the time to describe exactly what they were seeing....something air (or space) borne which was unidentified.


It had no association or relation to alien spaceships.

Indeed, Buzz's statement reflected the prevalent paradigm of the day, when the term "UFO" (pronounced yoo-foe) was generally avoided when describing something seen so as not to cause the "alien nuts" (Buzz's words) to cause a furor.

Apollo 11 did see a UFO at the time. It is well documented, and in fact it was not a UFO once the trajectory guys figured out that the crew's hypothesis about the object they were seeing was in fact true. They never used the word UFO for discreet reasons which are completely understandable.


Therefore, it WAS A UFO...in July of 1969.
By August of that year, it no longer was. The "debunkers" have never said it was "the booster rocket". The "debunkers" have said precisely what it was:


It was one of the Saturn 4-B stage's SLA panels (one of 4 that covered the LM during the launch and TLI phases of the mission), spinning in space just about exactly where it should've been at that time. It was merely unusual to have seen one of these things out the window, miles off, reflecting sunlight off of its surfaces in rhythmic fashion.

Neil says (characteristically) alot less than Buzz does about it. It was a non event. No one was overtly concerned about it (they had much more pressing matters on their minds, as you might imagine).


p.s.
I think Buzz Aldrin would certainly stammer when a question was posed to him about someone like Paris Hilton. I probably would too---since she has nothing to do whatsoever with anything that Buzz has ever been involved in, and is someone diametrically opposite to anything he stands for:

Someone who made vast contributions to the effort of human spaceflight in several areas, a D.Sci. who has been an active space scientist for decades, who essentially developed the techniques of orbital redezvous and perfected the techniques of EVA....oh, and happened to be on the first crew to walk on the Moon.

Yea, someone like that might stammer when being asked about someone who has contributed nothing...to anything (if he even knows who she is...!).

Comon MID!

We all know it was an alien spacecraft following them along, so the aliens aboard could warn them to get lost!

Haz,
I know this...you know this....but :

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times...

You've got to stop revealing this stuff!
I spend alot of time trying to carefully cover up the greatest hoax of the twentieth century here!

You are making it very difficult!!!

p.s...

I just realized (must be a lack of sleep in recent days) that I actually responded to a thread that includes the names of Buzz Aldrin and Paris Hilton in the same posting...

I must be insane.

There has to be a first for everything.

Seriously MID, I have a question for you, of topic I guess, but here goes...

I remember that there was some talk of "alien" bacteria on the Surveior(?) hardweare that the Apollo crew brought back to Earth from the moon.

True?

Haz:
That's a good question. But it's not true, in respect to "alien" bacteria. However (and almost equally astonishing):

Apollo 12's crew brought back the camera that was mounted on the Surveyor III spacecraft that they had landed near. In that camera was found a small colony of streptococcus bacteria, which had been deposited there during assembly of the spacecraft years earlier.

The astonoshing thing about this was that the bacteria were still viable when they returned to Earth, after nearly three years of extreme temperatures and vacuum exposure. This is merely one of many examples of bacterial life surviving in extreme environments.

However, these bacteria were not alien. They were actually earth organisms.

Where is this supposed trajectory for the Panels?

Has that ever even been published?

If so why was it claimed for years by Jim Oberg and others, when talking of this event, that the object was the SIVB itself and not a Panel?

No.. you're not insane.. lol And far be it from me to even post an article about poor dear dame in distress - Paris.. but I did.

I do find it rather insane though-- how the MEDIA go all over with the Paris BS as if that is the most important matter on this God forsaken planet, when other important things were going on. And to top it off that THEY (Fox) EVEN broached the question to Aldrin about Paris. Ticks me off!

If you read the entire article I posted about it really is sad but true - how our focus and priorities are so messed up. I found it amusing how the guy who wrote it, closes his article -- so yea, I guess I give thanks to Paris (in a way) on how Aldrin's phone interview turned out on Tabloid Fox News as well.

I still can not find the entire interview.. for ONCE I'd wished I had recorded that crap channel. Apparently there were other vids posted on Youtube of this interview, but as fast as you can blink your eyes, they were pulled for what ever reason- the only one I found was the one I posted earlier in this thread.

Sucks all this.. If this were on say, CNN, we could at LEAST read the transcripts.. but unfortunately Fox Crap News Channel does not have this sort of thing that I am aware of.

I don't know what Armstrong, Aldrin, and Cooper really saw that historical year of 1969, when all of America (and the world) watched with every chance they could (my family included ). Another that I'd like to hear MORE from is Edgar Mitchell...

Whether any of these great men saw anything or not... personally I DON'T THINK they CAN EVER say truthfully what they may have seen without getting in trouble and crucified for saying it.

As for Atlantis and the ISS this week- .. I've been watching it all quite closely.. I sure hope things turn out well. Dang they've busted butt up there big time this past week.. I really hope all goes safe, well and successfully for all.

Y'all, what does UFO mean? It does not mean little green men in a spaceship, c'mon y'all! There is a belt of about 150,000 IFOs outside of the orbit of Mars; they have been identified. There is about 3 or 4 pockets of 10,000 IFOs in the orbit around Jupiter. What are they? Frozen particles pulled away from the sun. Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, and that other one are fragments that have been pulled away from the sun about 900,000,000,000 years ago by a black hole travelling through space.
Oh, if you are stopped by the police once for driving without a license, you will be given a ticket and a summons. Do it again and the same thing will happen. Do it a third time, and you WILL go to jail; no questions asked. It does not matter who you are. MAMA, MAMA! cried Paris.

You sure black holes travel? I thought everything else travels around them.

Q&A: Black Holes



Q:
I have always wondered if a black hole can move through space? And, if they trap everything around them how can we be sure they don't move, if we can't see it?

A:
Black holes can indeed move through space. The really massive black holes at the centers of galaxies will stay there unless something catastrophic happens, like a direct collision between two galaxies.

The much smaller black holes formed from the explosions of stars can move fairly quickly because they receive a kick from the explosion. See, for example:

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/...s/2002/30/text/ Astronomers know about the rapid motion of this black hole because it has a nearby companion star that's slowly being pulled apart by the gravity of the black hole. Rapidly moving black holes that are flying solo will be essentially impossible to detect, since space is very big and they will encounter other objects only very rarely. Only the most massive stars produce black holes, and such stars are rare, so there's no need to worry about a rogue black hole heading towards the solar system.

***

The black hole has already passed by.

The runaway black hole has a companion star and that companion star may be our sun or was our sun.

Well if galaxies move and blackholes are at the center of them it only makes sense that the blackholes move with them. I'm just wondering where he got his dates from. 900 billion years ago? the universe is only estimated to be around 12 billion years old

You need to read more than some little Q&A about Black Holes.

Our Solar Systems formation had nothing to do what so ever with any passing Black Hole.

Edited.

So, as I'm understanding it, this means we're sending Paris Hilton to the moon, to meet with the UFO's sent from the traveling black hole? As an ambassador for humanity?

Gah!

OHHH!!

This comment made me laugh!! a much needed a laugh! .. Thanks for your comment!! cracks me up...

Paris Hilton can go diaf.

That would be, because Jim Oberg, and "others" (who?) were wrong...if indeed "they" actually say this (which I doubt, since it was known where the S4B actually was).
The very night they saw their UFO (God, how I hate using that term), Neil asked for the position of the S4B, thinking that what they were seeing might be it.

They were told within minutes that the S4B was 6000 miles behind them (that was trackable). Thus, on 7-18-69, it was known that what they were seeing was not the S4B.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Cinders!

Yea, it is something that'll piss one off, no?



That's Collins, Cinders (Cooper was a mercury astronaut who wasn't flying in 1969) .
I bet you would get along grandly with Dr. Mitchell! He's quite a guy.

You can get a picture of some of his work here:

http://www.edmitchellapollo14.com



You...are...right!
A phenomenal job by everyone. Looks pretty good so far. It's a heck of alot of work, and these folks are the best of the best.

We all pray for safety and success, and there's a bunch of folks who thank you for your support and your good wishes.

Right, they knew that it was not possible to see the S-IVB from a distance of 6,000 nautical miles.

I can certainly appreciate that logic. Now if we knew where the SLA Panels where it would be easy for us to say the same about them. Note that an SLA Panel is much smaller than the S-IVB, spcifically an SLA Panel is 10 X 21 X 7 ft. That's only slightly larger than the size of a European Soccer Goal. Because we know the size of an SLA Panel we know the limits of the Human Eye ( ~ 21 arc seconds) we can calculate at what distance and SLA Panel would become invisible to the Human eye. That being the case an SLA Panel reaches 21 arc seconds in appearant diameter at only around 40 nautical miles!

That might not mean that you couldn't see an SLA Panel at 50 nautical miles in space, but that's going to be very hard to see if at all and that's much closer than any of the SLA Panels could have possibly been at the time this incident took place. Any futher distance than this and an SLA Panel is going to be smaller and fainter than the smallest faintest stars that you can see. At 2,000 nm an SLA Panel has the same angular diameter as the S-IVB at 6,000 nm and that's being generous with the calculations and considering an SLA Panel as a circle with a 21 ft diameter which it is not.

So you see an SLA Panel might not be 6,000 nm away like the S-IVB, but it's about as equally implausible as seeing the S-IVB.

Paris Hilton has revealed more than the title suggests

Hi lost_shaman,

Just wanted to point out there's a difference between being able to resolve an object and being able to see it. The star Vega has an angular diameter of only about 0.0033 arcseconds as seen from Earth. That's way, way below the resolving power of the human eye, yet Vega is the fifth brightest star in the sky. By the way, in the interest of objectivity, most of the sources I've come across in a quick web search list the actual resolving power of the human eye at about 60 arcseconds even though the theoretical limit is lower (example link).

So, it's entirely possible that both the S-IVB and the SLA panels would have been visible from the Apollo 11 spacecraft even if the crew couldn't resolve details with the naked eye.

EDITED TO ADD:
At a range of 6000 nautical miles, though, I'd agree with you that the S-IVB would likely not be very visible to the crew. It's a brightness issue, though, not a resolution issue. The SLA panels would have been much, much closer to the spacecraft.


Pericynthion

OHHH You're so right! It was COLLINS!! *ugh* sorry I had COOPER on the brain as I had recently watched him again on a film..

((hopefully Mr Collins does not read this thread.. I feel terrible))

Hey speaking of the ISS and Atlantis today... read the VIDEO information I uploaded here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bi1p_ob...ss-june-19-2007

You can ALSO DOWNLOAD the 17 meg file in AVI format from a link I posted there.. It looks much better if you download the file and watch it.

But WOW! That was some BIG HONKIN' Chunk of ICE... I swear I could hear it hit the ISS.. but what is really odd is the other 8 things I saw that flew by shortly after that "wormy looking thing" (ICE) hits the ISS.

Hopefully we'll see the Atlantis safe and sound back on planet earth Thursday.. right??

MID, thank you for correcting me on the name.. I really do feel terrible about saying the wrong name there.

Hey Pericynthion,

I don't disagree with that because Stars are really different than the average object I'm sure you'd agree. Stars are themselves sources of light, rather than reflecting light. That makes a difference. Specifically, an SLA Panel is painted white on it's outside face. That simply means the albeito is high on one side. When we talk about Stars, we don't talk about albeito, but rather luminousity.

An everyday example. Just in the same sense that you could signal your buddy from miles away using a small mirror and reflecting sunlight into his direction, but your buddy would never be able to see you holding a white peice of paper from the same distance and the same size as the small mirror.

You can see the same effect at play when you see an Iridium Flare, you never see the satelite that is reflecting sunlight when you see an Iridium Flare you see the mirror reflection of sunlight off the Solar Panels as the reflection makes a swathing path across the surface of the Earth.

So having a very high albeito and having a very high luminousity, or mirror reflection of such, are two different things altogether. What holds true for instances of high luminousity do not equally traslate as truths for instances of high albeito.







You are correct the Human Eye's ability to resolve two objects with 20/20 vision is around one arc minute, and the smaller limit is theoretical based on the spacing of rods and cones.

Now it's correct that we are not really talking about 'resolving' two objects, but rather the ability to see an object reflecting sunlight in space from inside a lighted CSM-LM.

Here on Spritzers site a very similar example to this is given.

" But, if you see a 747 (231 feet long, wingspan 211 feet -l_s) flying 35,000 feet up in the air, you wouldn't see much detail at all. If there were no atmosphere, clouds, or other obstructions (and enough light), the average human eye could see a 747 at a whopping 150 miles up. But, you'd see it as a tiny point, and that's it. You wouldn't even know it was an airplane."

http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/features/ar.../20040819.shtml

So the average Human Eye, according to this example, could under ideal conditions similar to being in space see a 747 at 150 miles given enough light as a tiny point of light. Now an SLA Panel is much, much smaller than a 747. We should logically consider that under ideal conditions and given enough light the average Human eye will fail to see a smaller SLA Panel before it fails to see a larger 747.

For example, we could put 11 SLA Panels together lengthwise and that would still just be about equal to the length of a 747! It would take another 10 SLA Panels just to equal the length of the wingspan of a 747! Even then the 747 would have much more surface area to reflect light than our hypothetical 21 SLA Panels!







I agree, brightness is an issue that enables greater viewing distances. It means literally there are more photons hitting your retina from a brighter object than a darker object of the same size and surface area. Here it is surface area and distance that determines brightness of different objects with the same albeito. As per the example I used above, the average Human eye has specific limits as to what can be seen even under ideal conditions even when we consider very high reflectivity of an object of a given surface area and distance.

That being said we are specifically talking about an SLA Panel that has one side painted White. It is specifically 10 X 21 X 7 ft , that presents 185 ft2 in surface area when directly facing an observer. When you think about it abstractly it seems like this really large thing out there with the CSM-LM, but actually it is very, very small when we start to talk about distances in hundreds of miles. Just as in the example used above, a 747 represents 1,000's of square feet (from any direction viewed), and yet here an SLA Panel is only a wimpy 185 ft2 in surface area directly facing an observer.

That isn't very large, another everyday example would be the average Gallon of Paint as a general rule of thumb covers about 350 square feet depending on the type of paint, that means a bit over half a Gallon of white paint would cover an SLA Panel that is 185 ft2. According to the Florida Home Builders Association the average living room is 195 ft2, 10 ft2 larger than an SLA Panel.

Yes, I looked at that. Looks more like a piece of some flexible fabric type of thing, actually. I know they had a mission management meeting last night to discuss that...among other things. I haven't heard what the discussion was at this point.





Welll, maybe Friday!
Ceilings are too low and there's rain showers in the vicinity and thundershowers forcast within 30 miles of KSC. That prohibits landings for today.




Oh, don't worry about that. Mr. Collins wouldn't be upset at all. I was just making sure you knew it was Collins and not Cooper!
I should've known that was just a slip of the keyboard!

Regards,
M~

... I wonder how much it costs for a weeks pass? One Night in Paris just doesn't seem like enough.