Tony Soprano… is dead.
Why? Because…
i) First episode of this season Bobby says you don’t hear it when you’re shot.
ii) Second to last episode of this season, Tony flashes to Bobby saying you don’t hear it when you’re shot.
iii) The entire story arc was about Tony - when Tony’s gone, the arc is done.
iv) In the diner, every time someone walked through the door, the perspective changed to Tony’s as he looked up
v) After the last bell jingle, just as the perspective changed to Tony’s everything went black and silent - as though the person whose perspective we were to shift to was no longer alive
vi) The cat was a reminder that Tony killed Chris, and had Adriana killed. The cat was a reminder that Tony’s a bad guy - who has it coming.
vii) There was so much symmetry between Phil’s execution in front of his family and Tony’s last moments
viii) We all know how much Godfather III ruined the Godfather movies. I think the focus on Meadow was a reference to the Godfather. David Chase didn’t end it the way Godfather III ended. This time the boss gets killed.
ix) Every other episode ended in music during the credits. This one had no music because Tony’s dead.
x) Episode titles have always meant something. This episode’s title referred to Bobby’s gift of the gun to Tony. When he gave it to him he made the comment about how everything would just go silent when you were shot.
xi) The ending was so incredibly brilliant. We all felt what it was like to be Tony in those final five minutes. We all felt nervous, anxious, just as he must have felt. After being absorbed into Tony’s experience, we were left with silence and blackness like death because…
Tony Soprano… is dead.
or maybe...
Meadow gets shot.
First, there is the conversation between Meadow and Tony being about this being their last dinner for a while.
Also, their last conversation was angry, Tony yelled at her and she called him “Fat Mouth”
At the diner, Meadows lack of parking skills made her late. (She is also “late” on her period, because she is pregnant. This is the characters explanation for being too nervous to park; when she calls the doctor to switch birth control, as Carmella explained, the doctor tells her, theres no reason, since she is pregnant. All the more reason for Tony to go supernova.)
Because she is late, she is rushing, running. As Meadow crosses the street a white Ford Expedition drives behind her. This is same SUV Phil was in before he was shot. It is the getaway car, for the shooter who was sitting at the counter wearing a *Members Only* jacket. (Note the irony of *Members Only*, as in Mafia members only, and yet this shooter does the exact opposite by killing a non-member.)
Tony is seated at the most vulnerable spot in the entire restaurant. AJ, Carmella, and Tony each eat one onion ring whole, not unlike a communion wafer at church. Meadow, late, does not partake.
Tony looks to the door for her, and the scene goes black before we see Meadow. Note that Tony has seen Carmella walk in, and then AJ walk in, but right before Meadow walks in, everything goes black.
As the scene will play out, she sees him, and she starts to rush to the table.
As this happens, the *Members Only* shooter from the counter, who went into the bathroom, comes out, gun drawn.
As he aims and pulls the trigger, Meadow comes into the scene and heads directly to the empty seat, which is not coincidentally directly between Tony and the killer.
He shoots and hits Meadow.
Tony, his crew, and AJ begin an all-out war of vengeance. (AJ was becoming the new Christopher by the end. Driving the new BMW fast up to the school, running and Tony starting singing Rocky, AJ was getting groomed to the Sopranos lifestyle, getting in shape to be part of it all).
In Mafia movies, the third act is always the gang-war.
The third act of The Sopranos is the movie.
We all know what Tony did when the guy insulted Meadow, (curb job) what do you think he’s going to do when they shoot her?
Sopranos, The Movie, coming in 2009.
Note this scene involves at least one homage to The Godfather movies.
In the first, everything is reversed: the killer going into the bathroom, then coming out to kill. In The Godfather, this was Michaels initiation into the family. In The Sopranos, this killing is AJ’s initiation into the family.
The second homage is also reverse: Meadow getting in the way of gunfire is the birth of the Sopranos movie and the war, while in Godfather 3, the accidental death of Michaels daughter is the climax, the end of violence.
In his statement about the final scene, David Chase responded “Anybody who wants to watch it, it’s all there,” as in there is ONE answer that can be gleaned by careful study of clues. The supporting facts of this scene, the character location, timing, motivation leads to that one answer, the conclusion David Chase wants you to figure out but did not want to show you; the shooting of the guilty fathers innocent daughter.
For those who think the end cut to black means Tony died, David Chase himself again corrects you: “people who watched the first episode will understand why this episode ended the way it did.” The cut to black did not imply Tony’s death, it was the simply the same abruptness with which we were introduced to Tony in the first place. Season 1 Episode 1, after the intro sequence, we start with a black screen then “Blink” we see Tony in Melfi’s office. The end scene was simply “blinking” out of Tony’s world in the same quick manner we “blinked” in.
Also, Tony was not killed since Chase has left open the chance for a movie, stating “I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, ‘Wow, that would make a great movie,’…If something appeared that really made a good ‘Sopranos’ movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it.”
Full Version: What Happened to Tony Soprano?
I would bet that in maybe a couple of years a movie may come out. It is all about the money. The series was huge and there is no doubt it will draw well at the box office. Hopefully it will be done right. Can you believe that there is already a script for Pirates 4. Just too much money to be made!
Now just think about what they may have accomplished if all those fans had spent all that time and energy on real world events instead of watching a silly television program.
That's the real conspiracy.
That's the real conspiracy.
...and why doesn't this belong in the TV, movie section? It isn't real...therefore there can be no conspiracy. It is people at a desk writing stories.
QUOTE(joc @ Jun 17 2007, 09:16 PM) [snapback]1729425[/snapback]
...and why doesn't this belong in the TV, movie section? It isn't real...therefore there can be no conspiracy. It is people at a desk writing stories.
Agreed.
QUOTE(SEI 312 @ Jun 17 2007, 10:54 AM) [snapback]1729208[/snapback]
Tony Soprano… is dead.
Why? Because…
i) First episode of this season Bobby says you don’t hear it when you’re shot.
ii) Second to last episode of this season, Tony flashes to Bobby saying you don’t hear it when you’re shot.
iii) The entire story arc was about Tony - when Tony’s gone, the arc is done.
iv) In the diner, every time someone walked through the door, the perspective changed to Tony’s as he looked up
v) After the last bell jingle, just as the perspective changed to Tony’s everything went black and silent - as though the person whose perspective we were to shift to was no longer alive
vi) The cat was a reminder that Tony killed Chris, and had Adriana killed. The cat was a reminder that Tony’s a bad guy - who has it coming.
vii) There was so much symmetry between Phil’s execution in front of his family and Tony’s last moments
viii) We all know how much Godfather III ruined the Godfather movies. I think the focus on Meadow was a reference to the Godfather. David Chase didn’t end it the way Godfather III ended. This time the boss gets killed.
ix) Every other episode ended in music during the credits. This one had no music because Tony’s dead.
x) Episode titles have always meant something. This episode’s title referred to Bobby’s gift of the gun to Tony. When he gave it to him he made the comment about how everything would just go silent when you were shot.
xi) The ending was so incredibly brilliant. We all felt what it was like to be Tony in those final five minutes. We all felt nervous, anxious, just as he must have felt. After being absorbed into Tony’s experience, we were left with silence and blackness like death because…
Tony Soprano… is dead.
or maybe...
Meadow gets shot.
First, there is the conversation between Meadow and Tony being about this being their last dinner for a while.
Also, their last conversation was angry, Tony yelled at her and she called him “Fat Mouth”
At the diner, Meadows lack of parking skills made her late. (She is also “late” on her period, because she is pregnant. This is the characters explanation for being too nervous to park; when she calls the doctor to switch birth control, as Carmella explained, the doctor tells her, theres no reason, since she is pregnant. All the more reason for Tony to go supernova.)
Because she is late, she is rushing, running. As Meadow crosses the street a white Ford Expedition drives behind her. This is same SUV Phil was in before he was shot. It is the getaway car, for the shooter who was sitting at the counter wearing a *Members Only* jacket. (Note the irony of *Members Only*, as in Mafia members only, and yet this shooter does the exact opposite by killing a non-member.)
Tony is seated at the most vulnerable spot in the entire restaurant. AJ, Carmella, and Tony each eat one onion ring whole, not unlike a communion wafer at church. Meadow, late, does not partake.
Tony looks to the door for her, and the scene goes black before we see Meadow. Note that Tony has seen Carmella walk in, and then AJ walk in, but right before Meadow walks in, everything goes black.
As the scene will play out, she sees him, and she starts to rush to the table.
As this happens, the *Members Only* shooter from the counter, who went into the bathroom, comes out, gun drawn.
As he aims and pulls the trigger, Meadow comes into the scene and heads directly to the empty seat, which is not coincidentally directly between Tony and the killer.
He shoots and hits Meadow.
Tony, his crew, and AJ begin an all-out war of vengeance. (AJ was becoming the new Christopher by the end. Driving the new BMW fast up to the school, running and Tony starting singing Rocky, AJ was getting groomed to the Sopranos lifestyle, getting in shape to be part of it all).
In Mafia movies, the third act is always the gang-war.
The third act of The Sopranos is the movie.
We all know what Tony did when the guy insulted Meadow, (curb job) what do you think he’s going to do when they shoot her?
Sopranos, The Movie, coming in 2009.
Note this scene involves at least one homage to The Godfather movies.
In the first, everything is reversed: the killer going into the bathroom, then coming out to kill. In The Godfather, this was Michaels initiation into the family. In The Sopranos, this killing is AJ’s initiation into the family.
The second homage is also reverse: Meadow getting in the way of gunfire is the birth of the Sopranos movie and the war, while in Godfather 3, the accidental death of Michaels daughter is the climax, the end of violence.
In his statement about the final scene, David Chase responded “Anybody who wants to watch it, it’s all there,” as in there is ONE answer that can be gleaned by careful study of clues. The supporting facts of this scene, the character location, timing, motivation leads to that one answer, the conclusion David Chase wants you to figure out but did not want to show you; the shooting of the guilty fathers innocent daughter.
For those who think the end cut to black means Tony died, David Chase himself again corrects you: “people who watched the first episode will understand why this episode ended the way it did.” The cut to black did not imply Tony’s death, it was the simply the same abruptness with which we were introduced to Tony in the first place. Season 1 Episode 1, after the intro sequence, we start with a black screen then “Blink” we see Tony in Melfi’s office. The end scene was simply “blinking” out of Tony’s world in the same quick manner we “blinked” in.
Also, Tony was not killed since Chase has left open the chance for a movie, stating “I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, ‘Wow, that would make a great movie,’…If something appeared that really made a good ‘Sopranos’ movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it.”
Why? Because…
i) First episode of this season Bobby says you don’t hear it when you’re shot.
ii) Second to last episode of this season, Tony flashes to Bobby saying you don’t hear it when you’re shot.
iii) The entire story arc was about Tony - when Tony’s gone, the arc is done.
iv) In the diner, every time someone walked through the door, the perspective changed to Tony’s as he looked up
v) After the last bell jingle, just as the perspective changed to Tony’s everything went black and silent - as though the person whose perspective we were to shift to was no longer alive
vi) The cat was a reminder that Tony killed Chris, and had Adriana killed. The cat was a reminder that Tony’s a bad guy - who has it coming.
vii) There was so much symmetry between Phil’s execution in front of his family and Tony’s last moments
viii) We all know how much Godfather III ruined the Godfather movies. I think the focus on Meadow was a reference to the Godfather. David Chase didn’t end it the way Godfather III ended. This time the boss gets killed.
ix) Every other episode ended in music during the credits. This one had no music because Tony’s dead.
x) Episode titles have always meant something. This episode’s title referred to Bobby’s gift of the gun to Tony. When he gave it to him he made the comment about how everything would just go silent when you were shot.
xi) The ending was so incredibly brilliant. We all felt what it was like to be Tony in those final five minutes. We all felt nervous, anxious, just as he must have felt. After being absorbed into Tony’s experience, we were left with silence and blackness like death because…
Tony Soprano… is dead.
or maybe...
Meadow gets shot.
First, there is the conversation between Meadow and Tony being about this being their last dinner for a while.
Also, their last conversation was angry, Tony yelled at her and she called him “Fat Mouth”
At the diner, Meadows lack of parking skills made her late. (She is also “late” on her period, because she is pregnant. This is the characters explanation for being too nervous to park; when she calls the doctor to switch birth control, as Carmella explained, the doctor tells her, theres no reason, since she is pregnant. All the more reason for Tony to go supernova.)
Because she is late, she is rushing, running. As Meadow crosses the street a white Ford Expedition drives behind her. This is same SUV Phil was in before he was shot. It is the getaway car, for the shooter who was sitting at the counter wearing a *Members Only* jacket. (Note the irony of *Members Only*, as in Mafia members only, and yet this shooter does the exact opposite by killing a non-member.)
Tony is seated at the most vulnerable spot in the entire restaurant. AJ, Carmella, and Tony each eat one onion ring whole, not unlike a communion wafer at church. Meadow, late, does not partake.
Tony looks to the door for her, and the scene goes black before we see Meadow. Note that Tony has seen Carmella walk in, and then AJ walk in, but right before Meadow walks in, everything goes black.
As the scene will play out, she sees him, and she starts to rush to the table.
As this happens, the *Members Only* shooter from the counter, who went into the bathroom, comes out, gun drawn.
As he aims and pulls the trigger, Meadow comes into the scene and heads directly to the empty seat, which is not coincidentally directly between Tony and the killer.
He shoots and hits Meadow.
Tony, his crew, and AJ begin an all-out war of vengeance. (AJ was becoming the new Christopher by the end. Driving the new BMW fast up to the school, running and Tony starting singing Rocky, AJ was getting groomed to the Sopranos lifestyle, getting in shape to be part of it all).
In Mafia movies, the third act is always the gang-war.
The third act of The Sopranos is the movie.
We all know what Tony did when the guy insulted Meadow, (curb job) what do you think he’s going to do when they shoot her?
Sopranos, The Movie, coming in 2009.
Note this scene involves at least one homage to The Godfather movies.
In the first, everything is reversed: the killer going into the bathroom, then coming out to kill. In The Godfather, this was Michaels initiation into the family. In The Sopranos, this killing is AJ’s initiation into the family.
The second homage is also reverse: Meadow getting in the way of gunfire is the birth of the Sopranos movie and the war, while in Godfather 3, the accidental death of Michaels daughter is the climax, the end of violence.
In his statement about the final scene, David Chase responded “Anybody who wants to watch it, it’s all there,” as in there is ONE answer that can be gleaned by careful study of clues. The supporting facts of this scene, the character location, timing, motivation leads to that one answer, the conclusion David Chase wants you to figure out but did not want to show you; the shooting of the guilty fathers innocent daughter.
For those who think the end cut to black means Tony died, David Chase himself again corrects you: “people who watched the first episode will understand why this episode ended the way it did.” The cut to black did not imply Tony’s death, it was the simply the same abruptness with which we were introduced to Tony in the first place. Season 1 Episode 1, after the intro sequence, we start with a black screen then “Blink” we see Tony in Melfi’s office. The end scene was simply “blinking” out of Tony’s world in the same quick manner we “blinked” in.
Also, Tony was not killed since Chase has left open the chance for a movie, stating “I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, ‘Wow, that would make a great movie,’…If something appeared that really made a good ‘Sopranos’ movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it.”
That was a spectacular post. I really do hope they do a movie. I really wish Chase would have sold the rights so somone else could have took it over and/or continued it or do spin off.
QUOTE(Episteme @ Jun 17 2007, 03:13 PM) [snapback]1729421[/snapback]
Now just think about what they may have accomplished if all those fans had spent all that time and energy on real world events instead of watching a silly television program.
That's the real conspiracy.
That's the real conspiracy.
Whatever. Part of being alive is to have fun and be entertained. So you can give up TV and go save the world. I will have fun instead.
QUOTE(Waspie_Dwarf @ Jun 17 2007, 03:23 PM) [snapback]1729435[/snapback]
Agreed.
WHAT!?!?!?!??!? It doesnt belong in the TV and movie section any more than "did we land on the moon" belong in the "entertainment" section...
I'm not really talking about the show, I'm talking about the clues left behind by the show...
Who better to analyze these subtle clues than the conspiracy theorist who have been breaking down the clues/hints of 9/11, moon landing, JFK....the list goes on and on....
I say let the conspiracy theorist have at it, treat it as if it's real, use the same meticulous detail on this final episode as you would in analyzing the plot for 9/11
see how good you really are in a few years, if a sopranos movie is never made, and you claim he was shot, then you were right....if he makes a come back, you were wrong....
What'ya say Waspie
QUOTE(SEI 312 @ Jun 17 2007, 11:14 PM) [snapback]1729603[/snapback]
WHAT!?!?!?!??!? It doesnt belong in the TV and movie section any more than "did we land on the moon" belong in the "entertainment" section...
We are going to have to disagree on that point.QUOTE(SEI 312 @ Jun 17 2007, 11:14 PM) [snapback]1729603[/snapback]
I'm not really talking about the show, I'm talking about the clues left behind by the show...
In what way is talking about clues about a fictional character in a fictional TV show NOT talking about the show?QUOTE(SEI 312 @ Jun 17 2007, 11:14 PM) [snapback]1729603[/snapback]
What'ya say Waspie
What I say is this:- I suspect that by trying to discuss a fictional TV show in the Conspiracies section this thread was a deliberate attempt to provoke a strong reaction from the conspiracy theorists that frequent this site and by definition that makes this thread an attempt at flame-baiting and trolling. The only other rational explanation is that the original poster is unable to distinguish a fictional show from reality.
- I've moved this thread to the correct section where it will remain.
- Finally I would like to remind you that if you have a problem with my decision the correct way to deal with it is as per the terms and conditions of this site:QUOTE5c. Appeal: If you disagree with action taken against your account by a member of staff you can appeal the decision by contacting either the member of staff who took said action or an administrator privately via e-mail or through our private message system. Do not start threads on the forum questioning or criticising moderator action.
How can the finale of a tv show be considered a conspiracy? IT'S A TV SHOW! It's not real, those characters are only on tv, they do not exsist beyond the screen. DUH!!!
This hails back to the idiocy of "Who Shot JR?" Who knows? Who cares? And will effect the world tomorrow? No. Now, ya know how I see things like "The Sopranos" ending.
This hails back to the idiocy of "Who Shot JR?" Who knows? Who cares? And will effect the world tomorrow? No. Now, ya know how I see things like "The Sopranos" ending.
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jun 17 2007, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1729471[/snapback]
So you can give up TV and go save the world. I will have fun instead.
I find the real world more interesting than spending 20+ hours a week glued to a television set, and from that you figure I don't know how to have fun? I think I'll keep doing it my way, thanks.
*Goes fishing*
do you guys think only tony was shot at the diner, or the entire family?
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do you guys think only tony was shot at the diner, or the entire family?
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Christmas re-union special in a couple of years to find out! On a side note, would you believe that I've never sat through an entire episode of the Sopranos? No lie. Not one.
QUOTE(Lord Umbarger @ Jun 20 2007, 11:42 PM) 
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Christmas re-union special in a couple of years to find out!
On a side note, would you believe that I've never sat through an entire episode of the Sopranos? No lie. Not one.
On a side note, would you believe that I've never sat through an entire episode of the Sopranos? No lie. Not one.
Me, either! I tried to a few times. It bored the heck out of me. Guess that's what I get for not growing up in a city or around thugs or something.
The only whacking that ever when on in my world was with mom's paddle! 
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