Why 65, there is a greater proportion between 18 and 50, the rest would get solved by itself. Any other brilliant idea?

Er.... I was being simplistic. What I was saying was that life, including human life, is going to be as different in 3 billion years time as it was 3 billion years ago, which is very different indeed. Other then that, I don't really get your point.

Unless mankind drives itself into extinction, we should eventually develop star-travel and join our humanoid brethren in Jumping Light-Years in an instant. Then the death of Sol and Earth will be no problem as we find a suitable Earth-like planet uninhabited by humanoids or primates.

Other problems that are nearer in time: in 1 billion years the Earth will become too hot for life, as the Sun gradually grows hotter. However, if our species has learned levitation, it will be easy to move the Earth a little further from the sun. We will have to continue doing this about once every 1 million years to maintain optimum conditions. In 3 billion years, our galaxy will collide with Andromeda and we shall become a gas free elliptical galaxy. I'm not sure if that will pose a problem unless that means the end of new star formation. Then we may have to migrate to a different galaxy.

Have a nice day! ~~~Cebrakon

Hey, pipsqueak, I am over 65, and I am not useless.

I have solved the ancient problems of philosophy, figured out what is wrong with physics (it is shot full of logical impossibilities), renovated the forbidden sciences (ufology, Psychical Research, Toynbeean history, The science of civilization, spirituality) and figured how UFOs travel (thus solving the problem of star-travel for ourselves as well, without breaking any laws of physics). The trick to not breaking any laws of physics is to use the powers of the mind (levitation and apports) rather than physics.

My only problem is that I can't get any traction on this problem of getting noticed. Anybody got any ideas about that?

For proof that I am not blowing smoke rings, go to My Website.
The elderly aren't always useless or braindead, though perhaps that is true of the majority.

~~~Cebrakon

Yeah, old people aren't automatically useless.

However, this gives me an idea...let's cull those who postulate silly useless ideas on internet forums!

This thread made me rofl. Like human kind will survive the next ten THOUSAND years, much less 5 BILLION.

I never use the word ''old'' Lilly(i have respect...we're all heading that way some day )i prefer the word ''elderly''.

Elders = Wisdom & Understanding NOT useless in my book.

Ya know, I'm beginning to like you! Probably has a lot to do with the fact that I'm fast approaching being one of those *elders* myself!

Hmmm ... and what would we 20 do that are left?

20? That's optimistic.

*gets off high horse*

Yeah, I think that we're likely all toast! I know I've posted my share of silly useless ideas.

Just trying to be nice ...

Ouch!

Useless ideas, Lil?

Like what? Perhaps, "The Moon Doesn't Exist?"????


If that's one, I'm gonna argue with you! That wasn't a useless idea. It was most useful, if you recall!!!

Unobtanium? Something tells me it's hard to come by...



No silly. Aleve. Cause that helps to reduce swelling.



So you've got a plan to keep the universe from ending? Awesome.



Sure, if you'll just fill out this form in triplicate and send each copy to the corresponding offices, we'll get back to you on your proposal and if it's approved, we can begin negotiations on budgeting...



I think you're being too generous. According to an MSN article I read yesterday, people over 40 are practically dead.

I can tell you right now that I'm not at all worried for my great-great-great-great etc etc grandchildren. Unless they spontaneously generate or something, I seriously doubt that their nonexistence will be threatened by the sun dying.

In the BOOK Logan's Run - they killed everyone at 21
In the movie, it was 30

I'm almost 46...I'm not old, I'm experienced

And I act 7....

Of course we could keep the sun alive by rubbing 2 sticks together the way we generated electricity back when I was a kid....

Ya know I looked at this thread and sorta laughed a bit. 5 billion years is a long time. And somehow I doubt we'll be around by then to deal with the problem. And if we are. Well odds are by then we'll have the capability to move out of the system to another. Or we could simply try to make a new sun. Just toss all the gas giants together, add some hear and pressure and wala. You've got yourself a star. Probably not one as big as our current one but a star none the less. Well there's my two cents.

The attachment proves just how insignificant we are in the grand design



And 5 billion years is a long ways away. Humans might be extinct or we would probably be in another Ice Age by that time.

Oh no, a heretic trying to tell us that we are not the center of the universe and creation. Someone call the inquisition please !!!

Oh sure, next you'll tell us you had to combine the hydrogen and oxygen yourselves to take a bath...

Ha keeping warm wont be a problem when the sun ingulfs the earth. When the sun goes red gaint it will completly swallow mercury, venus and most likley us. Everything on the planet and most likely the planet itself will be gone.

The beautiful "planetary nebulae" photographed by the Hubble telescope show the complex stages of dying for an ordinary star like ours. We will go out in a series of explosions over millions of years. The cat's eye nebulae shows about 5 explosions, each one lighting up the results of the previous ones.

The death of ordinary people is a complex thing as well, lasting hours or days. I refer only to the death of the physical body.

~~Cebrakon

LMFAO! Good one!

Or perhaps next you'll say that people actually had to stand on milkcrates on corners to predict the end of the world, and not post about it on some internet forumn!
(Not that there is any fault in that, at all)

If humanity still exists in 1,000 years then we have a chance of surviving 5 billion years.

Overpopulation and competition for resources will force the world, within the next several hundred years, into one of two paths:
1) global war that will wipe us all out
2) a global civilization that is population-growth neutral and with shared resources and peace

If we stabilize into outcome number 2 then all the resources now going into military spending can be used for pure science.

If we hit that point then we can solve all other problems (short of some crazy thing nobody has even thought of like a spontaneous black hole materializing in downtown Manhatten or a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy-esque alien encounter).


Several real problems will happen in less than 5 billion years and can be handled if humanity devotes itself to peace and science:

• Earth's core cools down - this will be very gradual and can be adjusted to with incremental technological advances.
• Earth's protective magnetic belt dissipating - new super-materials will be developed that can shield us from the radiation. Homes would be radiation proof, radiation-proof walkways and tunnels would replace sidewalks. Parks will be enclosed in gigantic invisible domes, etc.
• Asteroid/comet impacts - advanced trajectory plotting and a ring of defensive outposts around our solar system could deflect dangerous earth-trajectory objects

As for preventing the sun from going postal in 5 billion years - I doubt we could prevent it from happening. But we could extend its useful life by positioning tiny black holes within the sun's core. This would prevent the sun from rapidly expanding and incinerating earth. We could continuosly allow the sun to expand at just the right pace to get closer to us as it cooled down - extending its useful life by many millions of years.

It would also be possible to create a new sun to replace the old sun by concentrating the proper amounts of matter and setting the fusion chain-reaction off.

Humans could also live on earth without any energy from the sun whatsoever by using nuclear power and oxygen synthesis. We actually could do that now. Ask an astronaut.

And how would you go about transporting one?

Actually, we'll probably be well on the way to another ice age within the next couple thousand years....if the pattern which has repeated itself for millions of years already continues to repeat itself...

linky

as a matter of fact maybe we are nearing an ice age as we thought of.

I would imagine firing two pieces of matter at each other from opposite sides of the sun so that when they collided at the center of the sun they would form a black hole.

If that would work there would be a big black hole in Switzerland where the Cern accelerator used to be. Very big indeed. As far as we know matter that collides disintegrates.

its five billion years man! if we are still hear then we will have other planet colonies! come on the earth is ammazing but think of this we are more likey to either be hit by a black hole or a gama burst in the next 50 million years lets just populate the red of the solar system then human race well be very safe in our home solar system beside think of this

when it goes red giant jupiter well become a hot jupiter witch means possibly jupiter could fall into the sun meaning more fuel but could mean big boom that is unless you slowly fed are star gass form jupiters core iwth means atleast another billion year for the sun

I merely imagined a single scenario where a black hole could be created by mankind (the counter to that would be your saying that humanity will never be able to produce black hole).

It does not logically follow from that that every time mankind causes two particles to collide the result would be a black hole.


The year: 1940
The idea: If I throw two pieces of uranium at each other fast enough, I think I could create a nuclear fission reaction.
The response: If that would work then there would be a nuclear fission reaction in Fenway park where the ball and the bat collided


I am not saying my idea is plausible, just that your conclusion does not follow logically from what I said.

This whole thread makes me think that mankind craves immortality. I know I do. While I can prove (with Prof. Stevenson's data) that we survive death and reincarnate, I cannot prove immortality. I ask myself, what will happen when Homo Sapiens goes extinct? Of course, that may not happen, or it could happen in this Century. As Stephen Hawking said, "The greatest danger to mankind is mankind itself." And what will we do in 1 billion years as the sun grows hotter and the oceans boil? We should be able to levitate the Earth outwards long before then (if we ever become a star-traveling species). What will we do when the galaxy Andromeda crashes into the Milky Way in 3 billion years and turns us into an elliptical galaxy with no more free gas to create new stars? You see, there are lots of obstacles along the way, so it would be a miracle if Homo Sapiens manages to avoid extinction. If nothing else, there will be the end of the universe in 1 trillion years.

Fortunately, C. G. Jung and William James have provided the twin pillars of a new and rational metaphysics based on mystical experiences and "revelations" from the divinity within all of us, according to those "revelations" such as The Word of One. The main teaching of this metaphysics is that the only thing truly real and eternal is ONE, the sum total of All Souls. No wonder the Catholic Church has an "All Souls" holy day.

If you explore this topic, you will find it quite different from any other science. For one thing, the language is Jungian Symbolism, not ordinary English. The truths of metaphysics cannot be accurately stated any other way. It is here that we find immortality, beyond this body, this species, this universe.

~~~Cebrakon

I don't know if anyone said this yet, but we have a bigger concern in 3 billion years...
http://haydenplanetarium.org/resources/ava...e=G0601andmilwy

EDIT
Yep someone already did, disregard this post then