now ive heard some pretty interesting theories about what happens when you die.

what are all your theories and/or ideas?

obviously there are gonna be some people who believe in heaven and hell.

but seeing as noone knows and we probably never will it wont hurt for everyone to post our opinions.

for example i believe thet you get reborn in another person or perhaps even an animal anyone agree?

that called reincarnation....
i personaly belive in the heven and hell thing

actually i can't use any words to describe it because of the fact that whatever happens it will be not of earth. that means anything that we have come to know here in this reality, we can't possibly expect to use to describe the afterlife. or i could be totally wrong. all i know for certain is that i don't truly know.

Good question!

First you have to clarify the definition of death. So go ahead and look it up, but death is the state of being dead. So whats the definition of dead. Answer = No longer living. Now we have to define life. Life is the result of growth. To grow means to endure change. So the easy answer to the question is that the question is illogical due to the fact that the basic elements do not die they only grow but are capable of breaking down to a minimal state. that means the molecules that once made the human body will strive to almost start over and combine with other molecules to ultimately strive to create new complex life forms.

On a different level you could ask what happens to the essence of the molecules that grew to be the human? Is any ressemblence of the previous percieved conciousness carried over after the breakdown of the human form. I would have to guess, yes. But I would have to expand my awareness of life.

Our current reality exists as we are able to endure and detect change. Simply put "patterns" A pattern (or essence) is altered by any adjacent pattern. So logically once a pattern is altered, it is forever altered. The speed of which the comprehindable pattern is altered, one could say is the rate at which god exists in time.

well thats very true!

ummmm......

ok then i didnt mean technical i just meant what happens to your soul when you die, your essence and not your body.

I thought I answered that. Currently no human is really known to be aware of what, or if an essence or soul really exists. But physically it does. And that can be proven with logic. The pattern of the consiouness is lost among the growth of the rest of the pattern that is existence. It Becomes broken down and fused into new forms of life in an ever growing form of communication called god.

ok fair enough i didnt read it properly the first time.

The brain and body shuts down, thus ending consciousness.

Which i would imagine is much like the time spent under anesthetic.

I expect to return to the divine city of light and glass crystal, in a body stardust and golden. There to stay in freedom with the one who befriended me on my last visit. She was pretty neat.
I'd let you know for certain, but I won't be coming back this way.

Can you picture what we'll be, so limitless and free

I kind of don't want an afterlife...i find it much more poetic that way.

Sitting in heaven for all eternity isn't for me...eventually I would want more.

I like reincarnation though...keep on living and dieing until you reach enlightenment.

Hey guys, this is my first post here.

Despite my own set of beliefs, I'm really not settled myself on what happens after death. I sort of have 3 rough ideas on it that I've teased out of some of the stuff I've read or heard over the years:

1. Nothingness
   This essentially means biological death, like some people have suggested on here already. Basically, our consciousness is only the result of the electrical activity of the brain, and nothing more. When we die and the electrical activity stops, that's it. Consciousness is gone, and you basically become nothing. (Well, your body decomposes and becomes other things like hydrogen, but in terms of being cognizant, it's not there; just blackness.) Personally I hope this isn't the case, not least of which because it's next to impossible imagining myself just going out like a light and never being able to think or feel again. *shiver*
2. Some sort of enlarged consciousness
   This is an extension of abstract theoretical physics--which I totally do not have a clue about--but here's how I understand it. Basically, the consciousness and mind are forms of information. As I understand it, information is like energy and must always be conserved. That is, it cannot be created or destroyed, it just becomes something else. If that's the case, when you die that information (the consiousness/mind/soul) has to go somewhere. Because the consciousness was the result of electrical activity in the brain, and electricity (electrons) is governed by quantum mechanical laws, then that information must merge somehow with the rest of the information in the universe that is made up of those quantum mechanical entities. In this sense, it's like the mind (etc.) become part of a larger consciousness, a larger information. If you're still cognizant during this, then maybe you experience the shift, but who knows? I'm thinking you probably wouldn't, since the information contained in your mind becomes too spread out. (Did that whole spiel make sense? Heh.)
3. Heaven
   This comes directly from my own set of beliefs. I'm Native American, and in our ways the soul goes to a "heaven" after death, where it lives in a way similar to what it did on earth. There's more to it, but it's not unlike most people's idea of a heaven, probably. It's not exactly heaven as in Christianity, but it is a place that the soul goes to.

Like I said I haven't really settled on any one of these, though I tend to believe in the heaven version more. Which isn't surprising, because who wouldn't want that to be the case, right? No one wants to become nothing. Anyway, those are my thoughts.

What happens after death ??I think it can be summed up in three words "not a lot"


fullywired

Several authors claim that a lot of testimony exists describing the afterlife, and it is highly consistent as a whole. As far as I can tell, that seems to be true of "near-death experiences" (which in some cases should really be called "death experiences"), but I don't know enough about other kinds of afterlife testimony to say whether or not it really is consistent. I plan to look more closely into it someday.

In the meantime, here are some propositions I've heard about the life after physical death, or the life between physical lives, if you prefer. The sources include memory, hypnotic regression sessions, and "spirit communications"-- all dubious sources, in my opinion, but if they agree with one another at greater than chance levels, then who knows? Maybe there is something to it. Anyway, in no particular order:

* Souls reincarnate

* Souls mostly forget their previous incarnations and spirit life on their way back to the physical plane

* Souls incarnate in order to learn certain lessons

* The spirit realms are very orderly

* The spirit realms can be divided into three classes: the lower realm, where disturbed souls spend time healing, learning, or making amends; the "Summer realm," which is a lot like the physical, but not so physical; and the higher realms, about which we know little because spirits cannot communicate with us directly from there.

* There is an "etheric" or "subtle" body in the physical realm that dies soon after the body does.

* The whole game of life is about a sort of universal consciousness unfolding and developing and returning to itself.

* There's no heaven or hell except those of one's own making.

* Ties to family and close friends and associates persist in the afterlife and recur in subsequent incarnations.

That's what I remember offhand. I'm not saying it's true, only that it's what's on the table.

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Several authors claim that a lot of testimony exists describing the afterlife, and it is highly consistent as a whole.





Who is doing the describing? Have they died and returned to tell us of their experiences ? the only people that know about the afterlife ,if any exists, are the dead and to my knowledge none have come back as of yet .I realize I am leaving myself wide open to believers to come back with "oh yes there is, Jesus "


fullywired

i agree of course noone who has died has come back but the whole idea of just dyying and having nothingness is weird and to the theory that it will be like ansthetic i dont agree because as soon as you go under ansthetic you wake up or at least thats what it feels like. but there is nothingness after death so you wouldnt wake up at all so really it wouldnt be like ansthetic.

i much prefer the idea of reincarnation.

well I know that I definelty would not want to come back again, one time is quite enough! anyhow, what each individual chooses to believe is after all only personal choice, there is no sure way of knowing what happens once the body dies. I had an "out of body experience" once, (NOT drug enduced, by the way!) and I know (for myself personally) that the human body I'm in just now, is really just a cloak, the real me is spirit. But even my spirit wouldn't want to come back, I know this, because it didn't want to return to this body.

i have to disagree.

you say that you wouldnt want to come back but if you did its not like you could remember it anyway.

but an 'out of body experience' thats fascinating.

are you willing to tell?

I do believe in reincarnation, but not as an animal. I also think that we do not always come back immediately but have a sort of "rest" in between incarnations. What this "rest-room" is, I have no idea. Maybe during this rest period we learn things to bring with us into our next life - that next life being a sort of final exam to see how much we have learned lol.

since your post lotus flower i havent been on the pc much but i did a bit of reading the other day;

it said that in this restroom, you look back at what youve done in that life and see if theres anything that you want to achieve then you decide to either go back or just stop, however it didnt really elaborate on the stopping bit.

ideas anyone?

People die and come back all the time. I have read some wicked stories about it too.

really ive heard none.

share some

One I remember was kind of scary. A man died, he said he could see his body laying on the hospital bed. He said a couple of nurses came in to escort him some place and as he followed them down the hall way he noticed their faces begin to change. I forget the entire story but the "nurses" turned into demons and began ripping the flesh off his body.

Never the less he is now a re-born something or other. I think I would be too having an experience like that.

aww thats horrible could you imagine seeing your body ripped in pieces.

but nevertheless interesting story.

He was trippin' on DMT

whats DMT

hi Lirael,

only our physical body dies. its electricity goes off. but the one who used the body doesnot die. in other words our conscious stays open. but unfortunately death doesnot set 'ego' free. because when we die our freewill would be taken away. everyone who dies would join his own funeral. he watches every step of his departure.

later on ego would be sent to a place called Berzah. that's the same area that we go during our dreams. there, they wait till the end of time. it was said that waiting process would be perceieved just like a dream. i mean, they donot perceieve thousands of years as we do. they'd feel like they stayed there for a very short time.

Hmm after death, very interesting question
Based on my bible beliefs i think after death your body (this includes your "soul" or being) will simply be resting in the ground with no consciousness
However those who are dead before "armegedon" will afterwards be raised up from the dead by jesus during his kingship over the earth to live in paradise on earth.
although there are the "anointed ones" or "heavenly crowd" these are the ones destined to go to heaven witch number only 144,000. they are refered to in the book of revalation as "the small flock"

Yes it is but unfortunately one that no one can answer



fullywired

the fun begins......heh heh heh heh....

http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/_accounts.html

Personal stories about near death.

It is my personal belief that most cases of "Near Death Experiences" are the result of the dying brain releasing DMT, which is a powerful hallucinogen.
NDE's are far from evidence for an afterlife to me.

As for my opinion on the afterlife...
Wishful thinking.

I would agree with you on DMT, but I also think that DMT and some other drugs can be used
to extend your vision into the "higher" reality (shaman experiences), so it is only natural that a dying brain would use it
for the transition

What do we become after we die?

Worm Food

B-but... I want to be flower food.

And we stink as hell, trust me

I don't know - I hope there is life after death. This is a bit depressing and sad, but if I'm honest, when I've been with loved ones who were dying, at the moment of death what was going through my mind was "that's it, all those years, all those memories, dying and shutting down right now". That's what I was thinking and mourning.

Though just before my dad died he looked around the room and said "it's filling up in here" - which is what he'd say if we were in a pub or restaurant and it was getting busy.

"its filling up in here"

maybe

"i can see the light"

is getting old.

Hopefully, it's over, zero, no more getting re-born again, no more hoping, no more memories, no more dramas, no more consciousness, no more fantasy-driven enlightenment. "Eternal Peace..." But alas, this is not so for most of us, at least not yet.

EDIT:
Just had an interesting revelation after a nap... To cut a long story short: I will wait to experience what "ultimate enlightenment" has in store for me (since everyone will experience this eventually..., so I was told) before I jump into any conclusion about "Eternal Rest."

One step at a time... First, "ultimate enlightenment," and second, whatever will be, will be, and whatever that is in between.

I am a Christian. I believe people either go to heaven where they join God, or hell, where most people go.

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I personally don't believe in reincarnation because there are so much more insects and animals compared to humans. I feel like most people humans do not do things that are so horrible that it makes them come back as an insect the next life.

I hope there is an eventual end. A time of eternal slumber, non-existence.

I just see more beauty in a mortal life then an immortal life.

i kind of agree with you like if you live a life and work hard it kind of seems pointless to start again. i think the reason that we dont know is that subconsciously we reaaly dont and wed like to think of things other than being smelly bones.

After you die i think your soul drifts around in a void of some sort and then is reincarnated eventually

One of my theories is that when you die you go into a 'dream' like state.

Basically - if you were a good person in life you probably didn't have too many nightmares.
If you have a guilty conscience I think a person would tend to have more nightmares.

Therefore - Good person/Good dreams (Heaven like)
Bad person/BAD dreams (Hell like)

i know of the after death; where your inner soul goes;

first off my soul is 5221 years old i have been remade

36 time this is many times becuase i have a warrior soul.

i have been a knight,a pirate,and in 13 differnt armys.

when your earth body dies your spirit is taken up to be

judged,everytime i have saw a green glow all around

now trees of terain just forever open and complete peace.

then everytime there is a light sometimes is has taken years;

twice this has happened when i died in large battle i believe

because i had the wrong state of mind about my generals.

i was stoped long at that very stop all i could see was the

four kolurs blue;green,red,orange was when the light came

it took me off to my new body it was remade as new on Sept.1 391,1941

i dont know what it would it is like when one pass on to heaven

but i must be like that first feeling of all calmness and forever bliss

when one fails the judgement it must be the worst times of the red

you would never find rest only forever moving and feeling emptyness

Jesus said in his own words that death is just the begining of life its where we grow into a higher sense of being and have special powers like flying.

----------This is what the (NEW KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE) has to say about death.In Hebrews 9:27;And it is appointed for men to die once,but after this the (JUDGMENT).The word of (GOD) is telling us we are not coming back as some else or a animal.In Matthew,Mark,Luke and John.My (MY LORD JESUS CHRIST) spoke more on(HELL) then he did (HEAVEN) if JESUS said it then i believe it. I have heard a lot of people say i don't believe in Heaven or Hell. There are two master fighting for our (SOUL).The (GOD of HEAVEN) and the (GOD OF HELL SATAN). There is no in between (JESUS said if you are not with me then you are against me.I feel so sorry for people when they say i will go to (HELL) and party with my friends.(JESUS) spoke about (HELL) in Luke this really happen (JESUS) HE SAID THERE WAS A CERTAIN RICH MAN. HE DID NOT SAY ONCE UPON A TIME). Luke:16:19-31;-verse 19; "There was a certain rich man who was in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.(NOTE) He would be like Bill Gates in our time. verse 20;But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus full of sores, who was laid at his gate,(NOTE) This would be some body that was very poor person but lived for (JESUS.- verse21 ;desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.verse 22; So it was that the beggar died,and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom.The rich man also died and was buried. verse 23; And being in torments in Hades-(HELL),he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off,and Lazarus in his bosom. verse-24; Then he cried and said, Father Abraham have mercy on me,and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue;for i am tormented in this flame. verse 25; But Abraham said. "Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things,and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. verse 26;And besides all this,between us and you there is a great gulf fixed.so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us. verse 27; Then he said, I beg you therefore ,father,that you would send him to my father's house, verse 28; 'for i have five brothers,that he may testify to them,lest they also come to this place of torment'. verse29; Abraham said to him , 'They have Moses and the prophets;let them hear them'. verse 30; And he said ,'No father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent'. verse 31;But he said to him .'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets,neither will they be persuaded thought one rise from the dead;. If you have any questions about the word of (GOD) email me Joey.......

When you die, you die. There is nothing after it. That's what the bible tells you Joey. The bible also tells you how you can live forever. And Joey, your God will be Bill Gates. I hope you understand that. You are giving Bill Gates dominion over you.



When the apostles came to Jesus and said, 'Master, there was a man casting out demons in your name and we told him to stop doing that.'
Jesus said, 'Do not stop him for those who are not with me are not against me.'

Study the WHOLE bible and don't quote things that mean something else.

Go into a crowded department store and watch the people and decide for yourself who will walk back into heaven or hell. Heaven is life and hell is death.

a theory of mine is your soul exits the body and you are confronted with a few options, you can go with god, stay on earth as a ghost until god comes to get everybody, or exist no more (since some people want it that way and or don't want anything to do with god). that's just my guess anyway.