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RamboIII
Simply put, what are the reasons for the Cold War. Why did two sides who worked tirelessly against the same enemy eventually turn on one another? It seems simple at first, but upon further thinking on it, you will discover you might not know the answer yourself. original.gif

So please post your reasons... links would be nice, but are unneccessary. Please no stupid answers, as this is a serious topic.
RamboIII
Maybe if I put a picture of a badly photo-shopped flying humanoid this would get more attention. rolleyes.gif
ships-cat
Which two sides where 'working tirelessly against the same enemy' ?

Meow Purr.
Roj47
Is this your homework question for the night?
RamboIII
QUOTE(ships-cat @ Jun 19 2007, 10:55 AM) *
Which two sides where 'working tirelessly against the same enemy' ?

Meow Purr.


US and Russia, but I suppose you can throw in all Allied Nations. Russia was somewhat forced to join the Allied side whe Hitler marched in to Russia in 1941 (date?), so there was a small amount of mistrust, but I doubt enough to start a Cold War, so there must be something else.
AROCES
Communism against Capitalist. That is the answer.
RamboIII
QUOTE(Roj47 @ Jun 19 2007, 10:59 AM) *
Is this your homework question for the night?


I said no stupid answers, but since when do kids do their homework? thumbsup.gif
RamboIII
QUOTE(AROCES @ Jun 19 2007, 11:03 AM) *
Communism against Capitalist. That is the answer.


Well that is certainly what caused the disagreements, but what were the disagreements?
Roj47
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jun 19 2007, 05:04 PM) *
I said no stupid answers, but since when do kids do their homework? thumbsup.gif


It was not an answer.

It was a question.

A stupid answer to the cause of the cold war would be the amount of ice in Siberia causing a war to be cold.
AROCES
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jun 19 2007, 04:05 PM) *
Well that is certainly what caused the disagreements, but what were the disagreements?

You said you were serious???
What else is there to explain, both sides wants ground with their ideology and so cold War started. It's simply a territorial stand off.
RamboIII
QUOTE(AROCES @ Jun 19 2007, 11:07 AM) *
You said you were serious???
What else is there to explain, both sides wants ground with their ideology and so cold War started. It's simply a territorial stand off.


Ok, I think I will go write a book about the Cold War now since you have provided all there is to know.
IronGhost
Ah, my friend Rambo is back with another one of his questions. (I wonder if he's writing another paper, and is tricking the troops at UM into doing a lot of the work again?) (( Just kidding, Rambo! ))

You ask a question that is so complex, providing a bried and simple answer is all but impossible.

It's true that the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were allied when they both perceived a greater evil than each other to fight -- the ruthless Nazis of then fascist Germany. Sometimes a severe crisis makes for strange bedfellows.

But if the U.S. and U.S.S.R. were allies - they were never friends, and both sides held their noses as they fought the Nazis together. Indeed, it could be said that Stalin made Hitler look like a amateur -- Hitler killed 6 million Jews -- but Stalin killed perhaps more than 20 million of the people he didn't like -- yet, he was our ally!

Why the Cold War -- it gets down to fundamental differences in philosophy over how a nation and society should be run. America was a free market democracy based on Capitalism and the Soviets were Socialists, not a free country, and felt that people need to be ruled with an iron hand in order to maintain the power structure of their nation.

It should be said that the U.S.S.R. was not so much a Communist country, but a country that claimed to be Communist while never really putting the system into play. The Soviet Union was a military oligarchy that never really went too far beyond what Russia had been historically for centuries -- an absolute dictatorship with the Czar at the top, and everyone else below.

Each country had a fundamentally different view of reality, and what it meant to be an organized unit called a nation on the world stage. Both thought it's system was better, and both felt threatened by the other. Thus the Cold War.
AROCES
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jun 19 2007, 04:10 PM) *
Ok, I think I will go write a book about the Cold War now since you have provided all there is to know.

NO, you go read the book if you want every details of it. No one here will post the whole book for you.
RamboIII
QUOTE(AROCES @ Jun 19 2007, 11:11 AM) *
NO, you go read the book if you want every details of it. No one here will post the whole book for you.


Sir kindly leave this thread and do not post again.
AROCES
QUOTE(IronGhost @ Jun 19 2007, 04:11 PM) *
Ah, my friend Rambo is back with another one of his questions. (I wonder if he's writing another paper, and is tricking the troops at UM into doing a lot of the work again?) (( Just kidding, Rambo! ))
You ask a question that is so complex, providing a bried and simple answer is all but impossible.
It's true that the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were allied when they both perceived a greater evil than each other to fight -- the ruthless Nazis of then fascist Germany. Sometimes a severe crisis makes for strange bedfellows.

I don't think the US and USSR were ever allied then, they just happened to be at war with the same enemy. I know of no coordinated effort by both Armies agaisnt the Germans.
AROCES
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jun 19 2007, 04:15 PM) *
Sir kindly leave this thread and do not post again.

Just being helpful believe it or not, you will get more accurate information if you do the research somewhere else like at the library than at UM.
RamboIII
QUOTE(IronGhost @ Jun 19 2007, 11:11 AM) *
Ah, my friend Rambo is back with another one of his questions. (I wonder if he's writing another paper, and is tricking the troops at UM into doing a lot of the work again?) (( Just kidding, Rambo! ))

You ask a question that is so complex, providing a bried and simple answer is all but impossible.

It's true that the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were allied when they both perceived a greater evil than each other to fight -- the ruthless Nazis of then fascist Germany. Sometimes a severe crisis makes for strange bedfellows.

But if the U.S. and U.S.S.R. were allies - they were never friends, and both sides held their noses as they fought the Nazis together. Indeed, it could be said that Stalin made Hitler look like a amateur -- Hitler killed 6 million Jews -- but Stalin killed perhaps more than 20 million of the people he didn't like -- yet, he was our ally!

Why the Cold War -- it gets down to fundamental differences in philosophy over how a nation and society should be run. America was a free market democracy based on Capitalism and the Soviets were Socialists, not a free country, and felt that people need to be ruled with an iron hand in order to maintain the power structure of their nation.

It should be said that the U.S.S.R. was not so much a Communist country, but a country that claimed to be Communist while never really putting the system into play. The Soviet Union was a military oligarchy that never really went too far beyond what Russia had been historically for centuries -- an absolute dictatorship with the Czar at the top, and everyone else below.

Each country had a fundamentally different view of reality, and what it meant to be an organized unit called a nation on the world stage. Both thought it's system was better, and both felt threatened by the other. Thus the Cold War.


Haha, no my friend and I are arguing, and I am using my superior friends to gain an upper hand... anyway, I appreciate your help original.gif One thing I have noticed in my research is that we did a kind of "trade", that is we surrounded Stalin with friendly governments (I suppose that means Communists) in order for his participation in the war in the Pacific. However, he took control of Poland, an act in violation of the Yalta agreement and never helped us with Japan. Hell, that would piss me off if I was the US.
keithisco
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jun 19 2007, 05:59 PM) *
US and Russia, but I suppose you can throw in all Allied Nations. Russia was somewhat forced to join the Allied side whe Hitler marched in to Russia in 1941 (date?), so there was a small amount of mistrust, but I doubt enough to start a Cold War, so there must be something else.

Wasn't the USA somewhat forced to join the Allied side after Pearl Harbour?
IronGhost
QUOTE(AROCES @ Jun 19 2007, 04:18 PM) *
Just being helpful believe it or not, you will get more accurate information if you do the research somewhere less than at UM.



You're very brave to post again after being warned not to. Didn't you see the "killer without reason" line under the Rambo picture?

But anyway, the U.S. and the Soviets were allies -- remember the pictures of Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin all sitting together? They coordinated their efforts. Sure, they hated each other -- but they worked together on this problem.
RamboIII
QUOTE(IronGhost @ Jun 19 2007, 11:22 AM) *
You're very brave to post again after being warned not to. Didn't you see the "killer without reason" line under the Rambo picture?

But anyway, the U.S. and the Soviets were allies -- remember the pictures of Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin all sitting together? They coordinated their efforts. Sure, they hated each other -- but they worked together on this problem.



Haha, and I have a reason now wink2.gif, but he is being helpful now so he can stay.
RamboIII
QUOTE(keithisco @ Jun 19 2007, 11:22 AM) *
Wasn't the USA somewhat forced to join the Allied side after Pearl Harbour?

This has always confused me, I could have sworn that there was US involvement in the North African campaigns, but it was a long time ago I heard this so I could be mistaken.
AROCES
QUOTE(IronGhost @ Jun 19 2007, 04:22 PM) *
You're very brave to post again after being warned not to. Didn't you see the "killer without reason" line under the Rambo picture?

But anyway, the U.S. and the Soviets were allies -- remember the pictures of Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin all sitting together? They coordinated their efforts. Sure, they hated each other -- but they worked together on this problem.

Oh, Rambo is just for movie goers. grin2.gif
Yes, I remember that. But that was after Germany was defeated, right? Do you know of any source of a coordinated Military action by US and Russia against Germany?
I surely have not read any.
AROCES
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jun 19 2007, 04:23 PM) *
Haha, and I have a reason now wink2.gif, but he is being helpful now so he can stay.

See, sometimes you miss the importance of the message. thumbsup.gif
Roj47
Wasn't the cold war over America's refusal to supply Russia with Ben and Jerry's Chunky Monkey icecream? rolleyes.gif
ninjadude

Aroces is finally right about something. The cold war was about communism vs capitalism. But more than that, it was about the governments in both nations making its citizens afraid of the other. If they did something, we had to do it. Escalation. Each goverment thought its system was the best and sought to export it.

Gee, kind of like out current conflicts. It is supposed to be about terrorism or Islam or Oil - take your pick. But Bush is trying to make us afraid of Iran and Iran is trying to counter that. Each government beleives its system is the best and seeks to export it.

Those who don't learn from history are condemmed to repeat it.

Lord Umbarger
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I could have sworn that there was US involvement in the North African campaigns
I'm not sure about North Africa but, I do know that there was a group of Americans who vollenteered to help the Chinese in south east Asia. They were called, oddly enough, "the American Vollenteer Group" but, are more popularly remembered as the "Flying Tigers".

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Do you know of any source of a coordinated Military action by US and Russia against Germany?
The only real coordination that I know of that took place between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. was when they decided to let the Russians take Berlin and whenthey were deciding on teh post-war devision of Germany. It was part of why the U.S. and the British didn't bust a gut to take Berlin, they already knew that the Russians were going to get it after the war so, "why should we let our soldiers die to give it to them?".
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