Christianity and Intolerance: Why are Christians So Intolerant?
by Rich Deem



Introduction
Intolerant Christians?

"Christians are intolerant because they try to tell other people what to do and what to believe," is a common complaint from those who have been witnessed to by a zealous Christian. Although the actions of Christians are often interpreted as intolerance, the primary reason why Christians are seen as intolerant is because the perceived, politically-correct definition of tolerance has changed over the years.

What is intolerance?To begin the discussion, it would be good to know what the word "intolerant" really means, in order to determine if Christians really are intolerant:

Main Entry: in·tol·er·ant
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1735
1 : unable or unwilling to endure
2 a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters1


The really remarkable thing about the definition of intolerant is that those who say we Christians are intolerant and should not express our religious beliefs are the ones who actually fit the definition. Tolerance is not about accepting every one else's beliefs, but merely being willing to listen to those beliefs. In contrast to many other religious beliefs, evangelical Christians rate quite high on the scale of being willing to discuss religious beliefs on a moment's notice.

Tolerance vs. truth

Tolerance does not mean that we automatically accept every one else's beliefs as being true. Contrary to popular belief, religions do not teach the same things, and, so, they can't all be true. Belief, in and of itself does not make that belief true. Ravi Zacharias, a Christian writer, warns, "Truth cannot be sacrificed at the altar of pretended tolerance. Real tolerance is deference to all ideas, not indifference to the truth." Christianity is the prime example why all religions cannot be true. Virtually every other world religion, other than Christianity, teaches that a person can become acceptable to God on the basis of their actions in life. In contrast, Christianity teaches that no person, no matter what they do, can become acceptable to God through their own actions.2 In Christianity, acceptance by God is based upon the completed work of Jesus Christ,3 through belief that His sacrifice makes us acceptable.4 Therefore, Christianity and other religions cannot all be simultaneously true, since they teach opposite ideas about how one becomes acceptable to God. A Christian cannot accept other belief systems as being true and still maintain his own belief system, since they are directly contradictory.

The Christian is most often claimed to be "intolerant" when he refuses to accept and speaks out against "alternative lifestyles," such as cohabitation or homosexual behavior. Again, this is an improper use of the word "intolerant." Tolerance does not require acceptance of all ideas as being true, but merely a willingness to hear alternative beliefs. Those who say that Christians should not express their beliefs are actually the ones who are being intolerant, since they are unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression to Christian beliefs (see definition above).

Jesus was "intolerant"The supposed intolerance of Christians is a direct result of the teachings of its founder Jesus Christ, who, today, would be described as one of the most "intolerant" people to live. Although Jesus was loving and associated with all kinds of people, He was not "tolerant" of their "alternative lifestyles." Jesus confronted immoral behavior directly, and even had the audacity to tell people to stop practicing their sinful behavior.5 In addition, Jesus commanded his followers to "make disciples of all the nations... teaching them to observe all that I commanded you,"6 and "preach the gospel to all creation."7 Jesus did not say to accept other religions as being true. In fact, He made one of the most "intolerant" statements that any religious leader has ever made:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." (John 14:6)

This statement alone reveals that all other religions and religious ideas cannot be true. No religion other than Christianity claims that Jesus is the only way to God. Therefore, either Jesus was telling the truth and He is the only way to God or He was a liar and Christianity is false.

Evangelical Christians, in their zeal to follow the commands of their Lord, may seem to be over-enthusiastic and judgmental. However, in believing that Jesus is the only way to God, we want everybody we meet to understand their choices, and the consequences of those choices. Love requires that we share the message of the gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ. The good news is that all people can enter into a personal relationship with the God and Creator of the universe through belief in Jesus Christ.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:16, Jesus Christ)

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Most religious ideas, even non-christian types believe their way is the right way. I don't understand why we are singling out Christianity here? Yes Christians do believe Christ is the only way to heaven which he says in the bible but don't most spiritual idea's believe that their way is the true pathway to total enlightenment? I'd say the majority of the idea's I've come across in my life.

That is the big question we all must answer
Tolerance is that we all except that not everyone will arrive at the same conclusion.

Irish

Well, there is another option... he didn't exist. That's the one I'm going with. The intolerance attributed to him, therefore, should be attributed to those who recorded the words of a man who never existed (in other words, made them up).

Christ was just an amalgamation of other beliefs, borrowing from stories like Mithras, Horus, etc.

I think the other misrepresentation in this piece is that jesus did not found christianity. He came to destroy religions, not start one. However, I posted this to perhaps help explain the attitudes we encounter from those that claim to embrace the spirit of the christ, when they also claim their beliefs are the only valid ones in the world of persons of faith. This article affirms the exclusivist nature of the practice. I think the authors statement about jesus though, is amazing! Even for this author that one would think read the new testament before making such an observation:

"The "intolerance" of Christians is a direct result of the teachings of its founder Jesus Christ, who, today, would be described as one of the most "intolerant" people who ever lived... " Rich Deem

Wow! Truly. I dare say if a NB ever said that here, they'd get flamed so fast they'd need to dunk their a*** in cold water before they could ever hope to use the computer again.

So you two would just be saying that Christianity is false. Wonderful post GW, hopefully it's an eye opener to some people.



Jesus didn't found Christianity. But he is the core and center of it. He came to fulfill a religion already in existence. It has nothing to do with religion. Call us exclusive if you like, but we're not exclusive, anyone can join. We're very accepting indeed. However, we're not gonna bend over and let people think that everyone can go to heaven. Christianity, is the only religion which says that only Christians can go to heaven. Many see this as intolerant, I see it as truth. We're not intolerant, we're secure in what we believe.

This post just proves to me the length demonic entities are willing to go to deny Christ, and to sway others in that direction.
I'd say the ya'll have a very rude awakening shortly after your deaths. Have fun.

Well that's a better proposition than eternal blackness ,here's to the rude awakening

I'd say Thozzman is already there!

He fails to realize a christian wrote the article about his own faith and christ! Thanks for citing that quote, otherwise I would have missed it.

Of course. I thought that was clear.

I think what contributes to that conclusion, for some, is that there is no evidence jesus ever existed. And while he never came to establish a religion, the one that was created was based on hearsay, decades after he was allegedly crucified (No Roman record of that yet to be found either). Not to mention the current "version" of the bible and the way the NT was compiled long after even the disciples were dust. Also, all of the savior gods that antedate the myth of christ, including virgin births, make jesus appear as a composite, as opposed to any substantive evidence he was a real man.

My thoughts on the subject, such as they are. Christianity doesn't necessarily encourage intolerance, it just doesn't do a very good job of discouraging it. Many of the intolerant christians would probably be intolerant atheists, if there was no such thing as religion, and there are atheists who are just as mean as the unpleasant sort of christian. The bible doesn't force anyone to be cruel. If Jesus' believers put what Jesus actually said above the rest of the text, then there would be plenty of scripture telling to them to be kind and tolerant. On the other hand, while he did give christians the option of breaking OT law for the purpose of a higher good, he didn't say strongly enough that they should take his word over the rest of the bible instead of their listening to the disciplinarian parts which encourage intolerance and hate.

Death is an illusion




Of course, now that doesn't mean you can't follow or believe it, naive people believe in the easter bunny and the tooth fairy, but that doesn't make them real either.

It was posted with that intention. You see, in these forums when someone speaks the obvious, they're flamed, called intolerant, etc...So when someone that is a christian writes an article citing biblical admonitions that support christian intolerance, because jesus to be one of the most intolerant people to have ever lived, it speaks for itself and for this particular christians affirmation that christianity is a religion of intolerance and jesus was it's prime example.


So the eye opener indeed would then be for those of the christian faith that take umbrage at others declaring, after reading the bible and encountering certain christians abroad and in these forums for instance, that despite their objections one of their own declares the exact same thing. Christianity is a religion of intolerance. This article explains why, in detail. And I think that's important to better understand exclusivist ideologies that presume they have the right to rule the world. Because they are directed to be intolerant of every other religion in it. An eye opener indeed , for some that often insist on keeping them closed, at all costs.

Oh, and by the way, not believing in christ, recognizing there is no substantive independent evidence he ever existed, is a right to a personal opinion. If you expect respect for your own, you'll respect others entitlement to the same. But if not, that's ok. Because as the article states, intolerance is part of the christian faith. So you'd still be in keeping with the spirit of the faith. (per the article)

Your disbelief in God or Jesus doesn't make him "not real".
People who've had personal experiences with our creator and/or savior Jesus will always believe.

I'm sure if some of you could turn people against their Christian beliefs you'd try it.
Just don't understand why my personal religious beliefs (Christianity), bugs you so much. It's very unhealthy to be so obsessed with hatred against Christians. Your hatred will turn on you.

On a better note, your posts continue to reinforce my faith in God.

No historical facts make him not real, and you can believe all you want, just like some believe in the tooth fairy.

Christian hatred of other groups is turning on them, too many christians trying to force their beliefs downt the throats of others

Well you're lumping all Christians into the same catagory. I mind my own business and rarely mention God, Christianity, or Jesus in public, until I'm attacked for my beliefs. Will I defend my faith? You betcha!

Sorry but you are part of the problem, I don't see you going up to Christians and telling them to stop annoying other groups, or telling them that saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry christmas (a stolen holiday by the way) is fine

The logic of this thread works out so easily when you handpick the quote that you're starting it with and disregard any replies that attack the logic rather than the conclusion.

As an example, I could start a thread about how Wicca is a religion of intolerance, and find you a quote from some good old fashioned Gardnerian Wiccans which make them sound awefully sexist and homophobic, which a few people say they were/are. But would you spot the flaw in my logic?

The flaw being that Wicca is a plurality of beliefs and sects, and what can be said of Gardnerians doesn't automatically apply to any other variety of wicca. Practioners start out with their own pre-dispositions, and they find the path(s) that most appeal to them. The tolerant and nice end up in different circles than the intolerant.

The same logical analysis can be applied to this thread about christianity. They are, by all appearances, a plurality of denominations which aren't all the same. And a quote from one who obviously exhults in their intolerance can not be applied to others who started out with different dispositions and found other paths. All that can be said is that christianity doesn't adequately stop intolerance, as neither does wicca.

The bible does not teach tolerance... it teaches the exact opposite. Any faith which seeks to assimilate all those who believe differently because it claims to be the only true path to god is intolerant of those who will not alter their course and be assimilated. That's as plain as the nose on your face really.

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Your disbelief in God or Jesus doesn't make him "not real".
People who've had personal experiences with our creator and/or savior Jesus will always believe.
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I would love to see some one having a personal experience with the creator .How exactly does it work ? does he appear to you ?do you talk to him and he to you?.It must be quite a sight to witness

fullywired

this illustrates the limited tolerance for differnece, the true essence of honesty is one wouldn't impose ones truth on another, we honor diversity by seeing we don't have to ... impose a beleif on another this is creating divisiion...few really understand this..

not to single you out thoz, but you are demonstrating how the fear construct works, either its this way or one threatens and attacks those that are disagree....... this infers your way is the 'right ' way...this is how wars are started....
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It can be said it is a weak faith, one that has to kill people in order to convert survivors under the threat of suffering the same fate, if they refuse.
It is telling when a christian pens an article proudly admitting his faith is one of intolerance. It is amazing, actually I was shocked myself, that that author would say jesus, for whom it was credited to come into being, was the most intolerant of them all. Perhaps that observation is derived from the scripture wherein jesus is alleged to have said;


"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)


And: “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! 51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law (Luke 12:49-53)


Your observation about divisive nature of monotheist christianity and it's inherent intolerance, is documented. The bible is not a book of tolerance, as someone I know so wisely observed. Rather it is a book of war.

The history that is being made even today, could let one wade to their hips in the blood that proves it so. So when you read hateful people calling themselves christians or defenders of "the faith" they have in being so, realize that what you are reading is exactly what wrote chapter and verse of that bloody christian terror back in the day, and seeks to continue in this new century.


Church History Is Littered with Oppression and Violence (2001) (This certainly does not cover it all, but it relates enough to paint the picture that this OT has merit, because it has a history, and a present, that affirms christianity and intolerance. And certainly not all christians are intolerant, but the ones that are are the one's this is talking about and to.)

As a Christian myself, I deliberately don't celebrate any Christian holidays. None.

I've never run into a group of Christians hassling anyone, but if I did, I might be tempted to say something if it looked like the person they were hassling was cowed. If the person being hassled looked ready to give them a good verbal tounge lashing, I'd leave it be and let the pushy christians take one in the ego. Lesson's learned the hard way isn't a bad thing.

In real life I doubt there are many would sit and talk about religion all day every day to others...it only ever really gets under debate, when you are on a forum like this..in real life no one really gives a toss..live and let live!!

He was so "intolerant" of sinful behavior that he would go as far as stopping a prostitute from being stoned to death by the people?...."Those who have not sinned should cast the first stone," Jesus said! If Jesus would have threw stones with this crowd, then I would know Jesus was intolerant of such sinful lifestyles. Love and compassion is what Jesus preached, not intolerance.

yes GW it creates systematically through its beleifs to discriminate against classes of people for a myriad of things which is called 'sin' , whilst its loudly protested this isn't what is happening.... this need to keep up this fiction is to keep feeling good about the construct and its greatly resented when anyone shows otherwise ..it will be certainly denied any evidence to the contrary, why would any system need to force and impose a beleif in god????? when we all carry our own essence of spirit??? why because they have been taught they are right ...based on no authority or evidence basically on hand me down knowledge written by other humans.....

That's just it, it's personal. It doesn't have to work in any specific way.. but all you know is it's directed toward you and it can be very impacting, even life changing! I talk with God everyday, and it's called prayer.

you may believe that and that's fine. but it doesn't make it true. you may find yourself next to a muslim in heaven and he suprised to see you. and you both surprised to see me and my girlfriend.


you are not God . beliefs are not facts. the bible is unreliable as fact.

Did you see the footnote in that excerpt on the OT? It refers to the number 5 and the references that I did not post, for brevity's sake. Also, the new testament can be interpreted to depict a jesus that was tolerant, as in interceding on behalf of the adulteress, or as intolerant. (See the aforementioned bible passages Matthew 10:34-39 and Luke 12:49-53)

So he answers back? Can your record it and put it on Youtube? I've always wanted to know what god sounds like, I've always thought of him sounding like Bob Barker

no, there are plenty of evidence. there is long list of roman historians that actually believed that christ existed. look at that this way: romans presecuted christians, threw them to lions etc. but they never doubted that christ existed

Christians were thrown to the lions as a means of capital punishment for sedition. They were not thrown to the lions because the Romans did not approve their existence, so that was not persecution, it was prosecution. No, there is not plenty of evidence christ existed. And a long list of historians that actually believed christ existed, is not historical evidence christ existed. Historians don't record on thought, they record on evidence, that's what makes historians historians. They are a chronicler, or recorder of events.

tolerance is like "diversity" in that it must be applied correctly and is not a blanket "good" stance to assume. It can be abused like many other things. (seems most often by those that know they're offending others)

Mocking men, women and children who are destined to eternal suffering?! How loving. Nice. You serve your god well.

Jesus and intolerance ... Scripture makes it clear that he came exclusively to the Jews, not the gentiles--whom he referred to as "dogs" (Mark 7:26; Revelation 22:15)! It was Paul, commissioned through the "risen Jesus" who turned his attention to the gentiles. So, yes, Jesus was intolerant.

Mathew 10:5-6 Jesus orders the twelve apostles not to go to the Gentiles, Matt.10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentile, and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

NAB: 10:5-6 4 [5-6] Like Jesus (Matthew 15:24), the Twelve are sent only to Israel. This saying may reflect an original Jewish Christian refusal of the mission to the Gentiles, but for Matthew it expresses rather the limitation that Jesus himself observed during his ministry.

Just an aside here ... Jewish law forbade Jews (Talmud et al) to mix with gentiles during meals so forth and so on. This was expounded upon in Acts with the heated run-in between Paul, Peter and James.

"The Dogs" in Biblical Scholarship

It is sometimes suggested that "the dogs" of 22:15 is a summary term for all the practitioners that follow in the list. So Caird, "the dogs ... are here defined as those heathen who are indelibly marked with the qualities of the monster and the whore: sorcerers and fornicators" (285). It is also a shared scholarly understanding that "the dogs" is either a Jewish/Christian metaphor for the gentiles, even though it is used very rarely before the Common Era, or for those who are false teachers and heretics; and the vices that follow are seen to be descriptive of the practices of either grouping. This understanding is based on the metaphorical use of the word dogs in, for example, Psalm 22:16, 20; Matthew 7:6; Philippians 3:2; Ignatius, AD EPHESIOS 7; and ODES OF SOLOMON 28:13. So Bousset (458) interprets the dogs as "an ancient designation for the heathen," and Kraft (280) suggests that they might also refer to backsliders, false teachers, and to heretics. As already noted, there are some scholars who see a specific moral practice in the term and think that it refers to sodomites on the basis of Deuteronomy 23:17-18 (Metzger: 106; Mounce: 394; Aune: 1222-23).

Sean

I am getting tired of repeating this over and over...You folk need to actually read what the ancients wrote, not take the word of some biased website or writer. You can find the translations of Suetonius, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus and others online...you can also find them in the original language too. Go read them and you will see that they were only reporting what Christians told them and in several cases, the supposed reports can be shown through literary Criticism and epigraphy to be much later inserts by other than the original author (Testimonium Flavianum, The Jamesian Reference, the reference to Christians in Tacitus "Annals", book 15 chptr 44 among others). It was not the Roman Historians belief that Christ existed, only their reports of what Christians said they (the Christians) believed. Strangely, the two Jewish historians that lived at the time Jesus supposed lived and in the area that Jesus supposed lived and taught in (Philo in Jerusalme, and Justus in Tiberias which is in Galilee) had absolutely nothing to report on this man-god! Even though Philo's hobby was studying the various sects of Judaism (which Christianity would have been at first). As the previous poster pointed out - there is no contemporary evidence for the existence of a Jesus of Nazareth, only 4 contradictory books written generations later that can not agree among themselves, much less with recorded history.

This site provides an interesting read on the subject. What do you think Mako? ")


Did a historical Jesus exist? by Jim Walker

I am well familiar with Jim's work...it is rather simplified but well researched and to the point. It is a good beginning and one that I point recent deconvertees on ExChristian.net to as a beginning for understanding the problems of the belief system that they have left.

In 100 or 200 years who would know you actually existed? To say you didn't exist because there is no verifiable and absolute proof doesn't negate the fact that you are alive and well right here, right now!!

I imagine that if GW were to walk on water, raise the dead, or come back to life after having been crucified, there'd be enough evidence to prove her existence... that sort of thing tends to make people sit up and take note, literally.

Oh yes? and what evidence would be good enough for you?

Pictures, a video, witnesses?

Since they didn't have the 1st two around at that time, how exactly can you prove something happened that would be accepteble by todays standards? All the witnesses are said to be lying also...

Please note, even pictures and movies cannot be taken as proof nowadays, everything can be faked!!!

So tell me again how you would prove something like GW doing miracles, 200 or 300 years down the line? I wish you the best of luck on that one.

When one doesn't want to be convinced, nothing whatsoever will ever be good enough as proof!!!

Well, lets see. I have a birth certificate. I have a family name and heritage tree that can be traced. I have my children that shall remember me and to their children if they choose to have any, when old enough. I have made my mark in recorded history, archived for the life of the record. I've been on television, had my picture taken in various news worthy events. I have friends and family that know and shall remember me and have their images in still and video, to prove I exist/ed. When I die I shall be cremated, no plaque or headstone shall ever be erected. Instead I have a last will and testament that will memorialize without all sorts of bells and whistles in that process, a large parcel of land to be preserved as it stands now, planted with gorgeous trees, flowering shrubs, and landscaped gardens, to serve as a sanctuary in a world fast developing and taking away such gorgeous unspoiled beauty.

So that I am alive now is on record, and it stands to reason when I die the legacy shall speak of me for as long as it lasts.

What is there of the christ!? There is a myth of a savior god that was born of a virgin, sent as god incarnate (or not depending on which passage in the NT one reads), to save the world from the sin they were burdened to suffer thanks to himself. He was executed, all according to plan, taken from a cross which was used as a capital punishment device for the dregs of criminal society in Palestine at the time, so as to send a message to the common people , secreted away in a tomb and arose from the dead, never to be seen again but by a few chosen people who were instructed to spread the word he'd lived, died and risen and would return before the generations of the apostles had passed away.

It's well over 2000 years from that alleged spoken promise and those generations are long over and yet, no christ. The gospels were compiled decades after he was allegedly executed, and were compiled on hearsay. There is no record of jesus ever existing, there is yet to be found any Roman record of yet another "messiah" being executed on Golgotha. His myth was antedated by numerous other gods, born of a virgin and sent by god to save the world, while later being executed to show his love for the world. The only thing that stands as testament to the existence of the christ is hearsay and faith.

I am flesh and blood, I type these words speaking to you now. No one, decades later will say I said these things. I speak at this moment and my words last as long as they last, at this site that hosts them for you to read. I have a name, a family history and a personal and professional history that is documented and recorded for posterity. With all this, there is more to affirm my existence, than there ever was that of the christ.

So you may wonder what I have to contribute that makes my being alive more evident than jesus, but one thing can never be said about me, that is said about Yeshua. I am not myth, I do not exist in faith. I am flesh and blood and there is living proof I am here and shall remain a record, long after I am not.

That would be like, McDonald's telling people that if they ate burger king they would still feel hungry.

Indeed. A semi-fitting analogy, I think. Christianity says as much outright. If one does not believe in christ, they shall never see god. Hence the exclusivist notion that all other faiths on Earth are lies, when they claim to bring one closer to god. So, using your analogy, it's much like McDonald's saying they are the only hamburger joint on Earth, and all other restaurants are fraud. That McDonald's is the only restaurant in the entire world, that has real, true, hamburgers.

Watch out you might give McDonalds the idea for their next ad campaign. Though actually, a lot of fast-food chains already use a similar tactic.

True. It would also make the Vegan fast food consumer population , the non-believers.

No one would believe it now days...not a sinner would...all religious people have to go by is written text..thats it...taking someone elses word for it...

But see ...I do understand that they didnt have the hi-tec technology that we have today...YES UNDERSTANDABLE...BUT (oh yea a but)..........Even so...if you claimed to have seen an alien last night and you acted so SERIOUS ...and posted a pic ... (just so happens you had a cam at the ready)..............
How many would say its FAKE??? < ,--bet your bottom dollar thousands apon thousands if seen it...would chant FAKE!!!!!!

So you see...if there was such technology back in the times of Jesus.........and someone DID take pics...people would say they were fake pics....dont ask me why..its how peoples minds go

Tell me how many people who unexpected a sight of ie a ghost...how many would have a cam handy??

I also find it weird that Jesus had people writting down nearly every late event in his life...BLIMEY!!!...someone taking notes...

Actually, I believe that is incorrect assumption or projection, as it were. To my understanding the disciples of that time, being lay persons, would have been, by and large, illiterate and so would not have been able to write or keep a journal as they followed christ. Also, to my understanding, and wise Mako would certainly know more of this, there was no scribe(s) that followed jesus and recorded his word. Everything ascribed to jesus teachings was hearsay, spoken long after his death.

Mako? Your thoughts, please!?

Thats true...they only began to write stories..long after jesus died..............What memories they had eh?? better than an elephants?? LOL joke!! this is why i dont believe in it..

Can you sit here now and tell me almost word for word...you recall the time when you ie - 1st day at pre-school..the evenbts that took place that day?? IMPOSSIBLE to recall it all barely remember it even LOL

and yet we are supposed to take the words of men that wrote stories on Jesus many many years after his death

GW - when i said walking behin him, taking notes..i was being sarcastic lol