It has been my observation that since, well - the 1940's and forward in time. The believers have been asking the same basic: Does the government have any knowledge or ties w/aliens, alien UFO's or something along the line of Et Aliens and their so called 'advanced technologies'.

Here is one fact that cannot be denied: Since the 1940's and forward - asking this basic question has gotten the believer - No Where!

Think about that for a few minutes: How much closer are the believers to the "truth" they are looking for? No closer now as they were in 1940/50. Not even an inch closer! They have a multitude of frauds, lies, hoaxs, scams, wanna bees and such. But not one inch closer to the 'truth' they want to hear.

They have Dr. Greer and the Disclosure Project: Look at their track record - since the 1990's when they started - where are they now? Taking pictures of Dr. Greer w/girls and well - selling DVD's - and will still do lectures - but they have NOTHING to disclose. They have nothing to take before congress. They have nothing to do -but tell the same OLD stories - over and over again and again!

Isn't it about time that maybe, just maybe the believer should think about different questions to ask?? How long does this "truth" the believer want to hear - going to take before they 'get it'. Will it take another 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - 50 years????

Maybe it's time to accept the strong possiblity - Believers are asking the wrong questions! Believers are looking in the wrong direction! The 'truth' they are asking for - maybe isn't the "truth" after all. Maybe, just maybe it's something else!!

WAT ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ARE ASKING NOW AND WHAT ONES SHOULD THEY BE ASKING IN YOUR OPINION?

I think what Jj is getting at is that the focus of many people seems to be exclusively that UFOs are alien space craft and that the government is covering up this knowledge. Consequently, these people never ask any questions that might lead in any other direction (for example, that UFOs might be some type of natural phenomena).

Correct me if I have it wrong here Jj!

actually it isn't fact. plenty of people from the military and government have come forward.

as for the whole kit and kaboodle ? as long as we have a government that thinks it is justified in hiding facts it will.

other countries have already come forward.

I have heard some really stupid explanations about some ufo cases, so bad that it seems more logical that it could be ET. So maybe the question should be are skeptics asking the wrong questions? Are they asking the right questions? Are they too busy trying to prove the ET explanation is rubbish? At the end of the day do they really care about ufo's?

But these military people have no real evidence, and often their credentials are no more amazing than my own (pretty generic). In addition, I would like to remind folks that if they learned of something in the military, the fact that they are retired or separated does NOT mean they can disclose classified information. If they did so, they would be ARRESTED.

These other countries that have come forward have revealed NOTHING of any importance.

I wish, I really do. But I have seen nothing.

You politely didn't mention the unfortunate fact that many of these "same stories" which are constantly repeated have in fact been perfectly explained.

A large number of "alien abduction" stories, for example, have been proven to be the result of the sleep disorder "sleep paralysis." There are "abductees" that still appear on lists or in the statistics published in books by the UFO "researchers" (really just scam artists) that have been cured of this disorder for over a decade now, and no further "abductions" have occured. Why then is it that these researchers still pad their statistics with cases that are known to be the result of perfectly mundane phenomena?

Harte

I have my own reason(s) to believe why ETs may just be visiting this planet. When I was younger, as most of you all probably know, I saw a UFO hovering above the Victorian General hospital. The thing I saw was a disc-shaped craft, which made no noise as it hovered.

If the object I saw was man-made, it wouldn't have been in our airspace. We do not possess technology advanced enough to function like this object did. We haven't any NEED for it. The closest base I know of is about 60 - 100 kilometres away from this city, and even then, they don't have any kind of advanced technology. We have MODERN planes, that's about it...

I have constantly asked myself if ETs are truly visiting this planet. I think, deep down inside, I know the answer.

Nova Scotia is Canada's hotbed for unidentified craft. Ever hear of the Shag Harbour incident? They call it Canada's "Roswell". If you haven't read about it, then you should. Great case.

You are onto it right here, I feel. Starting with honorable intentions, I think these types of projects get mired into the one truth. This stuff sells. It makes people a living...and when money becomes an issue, sometimes the truth gets ignored...or maybe just hidden a bit.

THANK GOD FOR THIS THREAD

the things that jj states are the reason why ufo people get on my nerves so damn bad. and im even a believer!
i just dont jump to ET conclusions

The issue is that anomalous phenomena are present in the atmosphere and these are the direct cause of the UFO Phenomena.

So are many "Believers" full of it? Yes. Does that mean the root cause of the UFO Phenomena is BOGUS? NO!

UAP are being Scientifically scrutinized at this very moment! So until people start getting over this 'Us' against 'Them' mentality the Scientific reality of UAP is simply going to be over your head.

So if someone shows up on an internet Forum and claims to know all about 57 varities of E.T., don't act like that person is a threat to your world view because that person likely doesn't know a THING about UAP!

I don't care if someone wants to "channel Greys"!!! Where I object is when someone else confuses "channelling Greys" with the UFO Phenomena and UAP!!!

I'd hope that there are people who can distinguish between the two.

Sorry for the multi-answers on this - time is short today:


Lilly – you are ‘spot on’, my friend!




Ripley – what have they come forward with?
That UFO’s exist. That’s all. Umm, ‘big deal’, in that that isn’t actually headline news anymore.
See this what I’m getting at: Look at what’s been said and better yet what’s not been said.
Military state:
“UFO’s exist…” <= Nothing extraordinary about that.
They do NOT tell us, facts like: We have had specific contact w/aliens from, “Pleiadian’s, on 02-13-2007. They were at a secret base in Alaska.” Showing a play on a large map of Alaska.
They basically tell us nothing if you really and seriously look at.
Those that tell us the ‘buzz word’ – “access to classified secrets” have to be given red flags of caution. As I have, as well as other have stated, anyone that states this and then hints to or tell classified secrets are, A: Lying to us or B. Lying to us. No one that this level of security is going to screw up their lives of 25+ years w/a slip of the tongue, it’s just not going to happen.

Here is an interesting point that I’ve noticed w/those ‘witnesses’ in the above. No one has ever actually challenged their “classified level”, w/a follow-up questions about their security at all. Why?



From who, and more importantly, Morrison, R U any closer now to an answer, even with ‘stupid explanations’ then you or the planet was – 5, 10, 15 or 20 years ago? No, not really. “Stupid happens, especially with humans.” That doesn’t prove or bring you any closer, if you are totally honest.


Eggxactly! (sorry…) They too are doing nothing more than saying, “UFO’s exist.” That they are clueless to what some might even be.

See this is one of the points that, I think – MID, Lilly, U and few others have tried to point out: When UFO is stated, it’s thought: ET/Alien. This is NOT what they mean, unless they specifically state such. To them UFO means nothing more and nothing less then: UN-identified, nothing more and nothing less.

In the case of the former ‘head of ‘MOD’ from Canada, his statements in legal terms was, “Fishing” – he had/has no clue what the US has or doesn’t have. So he like many others was simply fishing to see if something bites. Nothing did. He was doing what Disclosure Project was trying to do and failed. He didn’t have any specific documents, inside information or anything else. He didn’t come ‘out’ w/any ‘startling new revelation’.

As for the Arrested part – that is what 99% of most believers do not get. They have had zero exposure to the realities of what pre-screening and legal issues are stated and signed, BEFORE one has access to Classified Secrets. If they did, some of the believers wouldn’t be so easily fooled by the ‘buzz word’ – access to classified secrets.

“Well maybe they felt they had to ‘come clean’?” – Maybe, but totally unlikely. BTW, again – not one believer ever has addressed w/these so called ‘whistle blowers’, things like, “did you really?”, ‘what about your NDP’s?’ – ‘what about the welfare of your family?’ – and the clincher – “can your lawyer validate to us, that you did indeed have these NDP’s and security status?’




Umm, “We do not possess technology advanced enough….” ---- Says who? People seem to think and rationalize, IF we had this, it would be public domain. No. If it’s advanced enough and gives a serious edge military wise and/or would not be best to give it out at this point. They would and do use it to their advantage, why not?? Think about it – U and other’s believe this is “alien” – so while you ‘blame aliens’ then they have a blank check to do w/it as they see fit. Why not?? U think it’s alien and that works just fine for them! U give their cover story, “Silver Platter” service. They do not even have to work at it. U do it for them. Think about that for just a little bit!




Exactly right. $$$, is a great motivator and since they have nothing to ‘disclose’ – well fine! “We’ll just take the listeners hard earned money – because: They hand it over willingly!

I have to believe, IF they were honest about their initial intent, that they had lawyers working for them. These lawyers go over what they have and do NOT have. I can hear their lawyers now: “You have no case, UFO sightings is not ‘a case’. You have nothing to reveal, nothing to offer. The Congress will ‘shoot you down and make you look like fools, with what you have, or do not have.” See even with their military list of names – even these guys have offered up N O T H I N G! Believer’s think about that for a minute. Not one military person has offered up anything to help prove the existence of ET/Aliens on planet Earth. The only thing that they’ve offered up: “I’ve seen a UFO….” UN-identified flying object, nothing more and well actually a whole lot less.

Jj, when I said "we", I was referring to Nova Scotia. WE in Nova Scotia, and I know this for a fact, do NOT possess the technologies to make silent disc-shaped objects hover. Nor do we have any use for them here. There have been many sightings in Nova Scotia of unidentified craft, and honestly, I have a hard time believing that the government has a hand in all of the crafts sighted.

Well, i have learned alot. When i first got into this subject you could say i was a hardcore believer, or you could say i wanted to beleive so badly. The more cases i looked into, the more i realised that i need evidence that these ufo's are ET. I have not got that evidence, as much as i, and everyone else who is into the subject would like to have. But what i have learn't is some of these ufo's defy explananation, but that does not mean ET. We have some photo's that are still unexplained, same with some video footage. We have pilot sightings along with radar evidence, we have some mass sightings that cant be put to one side. All this to me tells me that something quite odd is going on. It also tells me that the subject of ufo's are not taken seriously, which is a shame. Skeptics cant use the excuse that the subject is not taken seriosly because of the ET explanation, thats rubbish. We all know there is alot of crap out there, but its not just the skeptics that have to sort the good from the bad, we all have to do that.

So yes, me, personly i have learn't alot from the subject.

JJ, i only have one thing to say.
Before anyone else hides the ufo/alien thing, i already know they are going to hide it.
I don't have a habit of asking questions.

And you know this how? What honestly are your credentials in this, please?

Because we haven't any use for it. That's how I know. We're a small province, so small that most people don't even consider it a province. What would we want with silent, disc shaped crafts? In fact, what the hell would any of the Canadian military want with silent disc-shaped craft? It wouldn't be able to function aerodynamically, anyway.

New technology does not mean military.
It can simply be an advancement of propulsion. Maybe the presidents new jet.
Heck, that is the one place in the world that we have actually attempted to build a flying saucer, remember the Avrocar ? The Avro Arrow was a fine aircraft. It has been done in the past, why not now?


What Canada might want with silent disc shaped crafts would be billions of dollars.

JJ is right, it is no proof and there is every chance you were mistaken in your encounter. Even the best of us can make a mistake at times.

You are making a claim of an "expert" - here you are saying:

A. We have no use for it.
............ Says who? What R your credentials to state that?
............ Even 'small provinces' have to make a living.
............ It's not what 'you want' - but what will bring $$ in!

Can you tell us what you do to qualify the above statements, please. See this exactly what I'm talking about: People making 'blind statements' - what are their credentials to state such?

Lol, you must be right. I guess there must have been a purpose for that disc-shaped craft with pulsating lights all around the perimeter, which was silent, might I add, to move slowly above the hospital. Yes, I'm guessing the military MUST have had a good reason for that.

And, that still doesn't change the fact that the US military has tried different times to make disc-shaped craft perform aerodynamically. Each time, it was a complete failure - I'm guessing that this small Canadian province must have a prototype that works PERFECTLY.

Yes it is always best to use your own discernment in matters like this.

Some day I would like to live in Wolfville Nova Scotia. I currently live in the USA. What part of Nova Scotia are you from and what area has most of this ET activity.

Thanks, John

I currently live in Halifax, Nova Scotia. It is hard to say which part of this province has the most sightings of unidentified craft. Personally, I live in the city, and I have seen.... a FEW things here and there. The closest I've ever come to a craft is about 60 - 70 feet, watching it from a window. Ever since, I've had a really fond interest in the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence. Always been a thing that's caught my interest.

Actually, recently I just got back into researching a little more into the topic. Now that I have my own laptop, I'll be able to sit outside on warm summer nights and do research, while gazing at the stars. I can't wait until this horrid weather dissipates.

Until I can relax outside at night, I have the X-Files on DVD to keep me entertained. Buying the 2nd season this weekend. Can't wait. =P

- Colten, or as you mostly know me as, "Alienated Being"

While I am not a believer I must commend you on a very good post, it was quite an interesting read. I agree that the right questions are not being asked (or the right answers are not being accepted) and the lack of progress in the field is the proof of this.

Affliction,

There is real progress, Scientifically (literally in the Field), this just simply isn't well known or widely publicised.

Well, I'd say every bit as possible as an Alien ship hanging out above a hospital. Some believed they could stabilise the Avrocar, they already had a prototype outlining the flaws in the thechnology, if anywhere in the world, why not there ?
Canda had leading air force technologies that suddenly went underground, where is the believer in you know???, conspiracy or what??? You need landing lights all the way around on a CIRCULAR craft anyways, LOL, JK. Just funnin, no offense intended. Just outlining the many possibilities.

Once again, flying technology does not 100% mean military. Private enterprise is rather popular these days.

I'm aware you are not telling us your qualifications to make such 'clear statements' and present them w/an attitude of it being: F A C T. Yet you avoid, now in several posts - What do you do? What are you qualifications? What do you do for a living there? R U going to continue to avoid this?

The avrocar wasn't stable at all and barely flew above the ground as it did.

Now the reason you can throw a frisbee so impressively is because the Frisbee is stabilized by centrifugal force. Centrifugal force in a circular object generates torque in the direction of motion. In order to even throw a Frisbee in a straight line you must consciously or unconsciously compensate for the torque generated. Learning how to throw a Frisbee straight across the yard to your buddy and learning how to fly a spinning aircraft without killing every test pilot that gets into the cockpit are two different things. Just as making a toy (Frisbee) and building a working aircraft on those principles are two different things all together.

The Avrocar is nothing more than a 'hovercraft' without the inflatables that looks 'Saucer' shaped. Hovercraft themselves with their inflatables are certainly more impressive than the "Avrocar" could ever hope to be. The "Avrocar" wasn't even stabilized by centrifugal force, it would require an RCS system like the Shuttle uses to stay level in flight and that simply wouldn't even work as a feasible design. Hovercraft did the same job 100 times better and were all terrain at that.

Shaman, I knew that the avrocar didn't have very much stability when lifting off of the ground. Thanks for clearing that up, but the other stuff you mentioned about the centrigual force and the RTS system in the shuttles... that's interesting.

You learn something new everyday.

Just to add, a friend of mine had come to visit me today while I was staying in the hospital; here father, too. Her father is a coast guard, and has some knowledge about military aircraft and things like that. I asked him about my experience, and here's what he said:

"We are still trying to get thermal imaging on our search and rescue cameras." <-- That just shows how much technology we lack. We haven't any real modern planes here...

The only thing that was close to what I saw would have been a UAV, however, he said that UAVs were dispatched ten years ago, and they were being set for trial runs around Newfoundland & Labrador, Cape Breton, and Quebec. I asked him if the UAVs would have come around here, and he said

"No, they would not have been allowed in the city.."

I described the lights on the disc shaped craft, and he said that the only thing that would have been relatively close to what I saw would have been a search and rescue chopper, however, they have dark blue PULSATING lights, not steady bright blue lights.

"What you have spotted remains unidentifiable, unexplainable. I can't think of any explanation as to what you saw. It's a mystery."

That leads me to believe that it was an ET craft...

U still have not answered my main question, J.G.

But as to your rest - top secret crafts (man-made) have been around now for some time. As I have stated more than just a few times: These UFO's that are reported and/or photographed are in AIR SPACE - not outer space. In fact there are zero records of any of these crafts ever being reported outside of Air Space. This is no small point or observation. In fact as I have also stated: there is zero confirmation of actually who or what is controlling the crafts.

Could they Remote Control? Yes.
Could they have human pilots? Yes.
Could they be multi-country projects? Yes.

Could they be alien?
There is no evidence of this, except the all to common: "We do not have this technology." statement made by people who wouldn't know if we did or didn't. As long as this is continually believed - you will NOT find the truth or the answers. It's just that simple.

See as long as people think and only focus on: It has to be alien and resist the strong possiblity of human - you've biased and tunnel visioned your mind. There for you limit yourselves to only one question and thus one answer. This is my whole point. In the past 50+ years this question has not gotten any answers - none - zip - zero. I would think by now, some would learn - We need to start asking different questions and look at other possible answers. Until then, believers will continue to be frustrated w/the continual - NO ANSWERS!

Good points Jj.

On the last point though, how many more yrs will it take for the 'absolute truth' to finally come out. Is when they(governments/elite/illuminati and or even 'the church'...especially the church)have us all in line and in 'total control' is when we'll finally know either way. The last thing they want is for the masses to rebel/revolt against all the bullsh*t they've been spoon fed bit by bit over the many yrs.

Now, as it stands and as i also said on another thread(Roswell's 70th Ann)we're are no closer to knowing the absolute truth either way as they(the people)were say back in 47.
I don't think asking the right questions is not going to make us any better off either. With so many 'levels/departments of governments' bla bla bla, all & each one on a need to know basis...where do you start or go for that matter...

'Confusion'(tactic)is rife they know it, and are laughing in our faces.

JMO...

Later

I suppose it depends on what your willing to call 'progress'.

Isn't the whole point of being a believer not asking questions?
Thats what separates them from skeptics.

Deep down i think even the most hardcore believers want complete absolute and total undeniable confirmation on the phenomenon.

Maybe some kind of public announcement by our space brothers like in ''V'' the series.

Ya but i doubt they would admit it. Why does the Vatican have an observatory?

Good question Primeval.
I googley googley googled it and found that...

According to RCC, the observatory was established on the orders of Pope Leo XIII in 1891 to counteract accusations that the Church was opposed to scientific learning(???)

Edit:

From the link:

I have seen when, on October 8, 1995, Vatican Priest Monsignor Corrado Balducci while on Italian National Television, RAI, said:

“Extraterrestrials do exist.”

Maybe they are looking for their god.

This is an intersting point. They do not ask "questions" (plural) - they only ask the one question that they believe has only one answer.

This thread finally came to being posted because of the 4th PM I got about a book that I had recommended to a number of believers to read - not as the 'authority' to another possible answer - but as a springboard to check out the sited sources and look and research. "The Hunt For Zero Point" - By; Nick Cook. The reason that I enjoyed this book is that is not about ET/Aliens or anything in that focal point. It was about the: The Historical Research of Man's Research into Zero G. Technology. It is a very good Spring Board book to begin this research.

Earlier last week, I got another PM from a "Believer" on UM who went to their Library to 'check it out'. They wrote me, "I do not like this book. It presents some possible facts that I do not want to cloud my judgement into the possible existance of aliens." Sigh... At least the person was honest, they did not wish to understand or know that there are other very good and very well documented facts towards the human equation. This is the problem: Some Believeers ARE only looking for 'One Truth' - and will actually go out of their way to avoid the strong possiblity of other answers. This is also sad - because after 70 +/- years "The Hunt For Aliens", is as empty of facts today as it was then.

So continue to ask the same Tunnel Vision Question and the believer will continue to go around and around in circles, getting no closer to any answers as they were 70 years ago. That's not a good track record! You'd think they'd learn, one would think....

Exactly what does zero gravity technology have to do with UFOs that have been spotted? From what I've read in your posts, you seem to only crave 'one truth'. You always claim that evidence exists that these objects are more-than-likely man made... yet, credible eyewitness testimony from ex-government officials describe seeing objects that they believe are "not of this planet".

There's really no hard evidence that pin points that every single craft spotted is man made.. you're believing what the government wants you to believe. There is no "strong possibility" that all the unidentified craft are man-made, either. What evidence do you have of this? What hardcore evidence is there that exists that sincerely points to the fact that all the craft are MAN-MADE?

Answer that.

LOL, exactly what I would expect from a 15 yr old kid in school.

I doubt you will take the challenge, because you've already shown 'tunnel vision' - but ok - here: "THE HUNT FOR ZERO POINT" by Nick Cook. I challenge you to read it - then do NOT just take Nick's word for it - check out his sources and see if they measure up and are valid or not.

Then let's dialog. I would welcome it!

I'm 16, almost 17... but you have still failed to tell me why exactly humans are the most possible solution to every one of these sightings. And, honestly, I don't appreciate being talked to in such a degrading manner,

"That's exactly what I would expect from a 15 yr old kid in school".

If I was 30 years old, and brought up the same point, what would you say? "Exactly what I would expect from a 30 year old"?

Age has nothing to do with it.

Looking at the Roswell incident, the government is well-known for concocting lies. Just look at the government's cover stories relating to that incident and you will notice that all of their cover stories have been proven false. When the government feels compelled to come clean on UFOs, then they will, but in the mean time, we can take the word of those who were in positions to know the truth, and many of them have already gone public and stated that ET visitation is a reality and examine the data evidence which prove beyond any doubt that UFOs are real. Now, it has been revealed that NORAD has been tracking UFOs flying in from deep space.



Actually, Congress has already been involved in UFOs on mulitple occasions and I can vouch for some of the UFO case files as presented at the Disclosure Project, particularly one incident involving the Minuteman Missile/UFO incidents. A former base of mine could find no 'earthly explanation' for any of the Missile shutdowns and saucer-shaped flying vehicles were noted in those incidents as well. Official government documentation has already been presented at the Disclosure Project, so I don't know how you missed it!



I don't believe the government cover-up will last 20 years. Over the past decade, we have learned much more about UFOs and lots of data has been released on what we known about UFOs and no doubt, there's more to come.



Actually, the only explanation for UFOs is the ETH because mankind had no such technology when UFOs were buzzing our nation's capital in 1952.

Well, since zero-g technology has been in development since the 30s, that's probably the most plausible solution as to why UFOs have been buzzing around the capital.

Yes it does. Its called life experience. Almost 17, wow. At your age I believed in UFO's, vampires, etc. I grew up and started looking at things with a rational eye. You will too. Eventually.

Not exactly, seeing as plenty of other UFO researchers out there would share the same viewpoint as me.

I guess CSICOP never told you that NORAD has been tracking UFOs flying in from deep space nor that scientist and engineers have observed flying saucers as high as 200 miles above earth. Here's another official account of their observations.

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INCIDENT 3. On April 24,1949 at 10:20 a.m., a group of five technicians under the general supervision of J. Gordon Vaeth, an aeronautical engineer employed by the Office of Naval Research, were preparing to launch a Skyhook balloon near Arrey, N. Mex. A small balloon was sent up first to check the weather. Charles B. Moore Jr., an aerologist of General Mills Inc. (pioneers in cosmic ray research) was tracking the weather balloon through a theodolite -- a 25-power telescopic instrument, which gives degrees of azimuth and elevation (horizontal and vertical position) for any object it is sighted on. At 10:30 a.m. Moore leaned back from the theodolite to glance at the balloon with his naked eye. Suddenly he saw a whitish elliptical object, apparently much higher than the balloon, and moving, in the opposite direction. At once he picked the object up in his theodolite at 45 degrees of elevation and 210 degrees of azimuth, and tracked it east at the phenomenal rate of 5 d of azimuth-change per second as it dropped swiftly to an elevation of 25 d. The Object appeared to be an ellipsoid roughly two and a half times as long as it was wide. Suddenly it swung abruptly upward and rushed out of sight in a few seconds. Moore had tracked it for about 60 seconds altogether. The other members of his crew confirmed his report. No sound was heard, no vapor trail was seen. The object, according to rough estimations by Moore and his colleagues, was about 56 miles above the earth, 100 feet long and was traveling at seven miles per second.

Also:

http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/Astronomers.htm

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Now, what was that you were saying about UFOs not observed in "outer space?!"

Actually, no, simply because the history of flying saucers goes back for centuries, and to further add, we had no such technology to fly hypersonic flying saucers, much less manuever them at high G levels.


1133 Japan: A large silvery disk is reported to have come close to the ground.

1517 Rumania, Moldavia: A large blue glowing disk appeared and remained in the sky for some time.

1808 France, Piedmont: Formation of 'luminous discs' observed in the sky.

1846 USA: A 'luminous flying disc' was reported over this eastern seaboard area.

1917 Fatima: A silvery disk observed by over 70,000 witnesses.

I know that zero-g technology would not have been able to have been used in the 1950s... it wasn't advanced enough. There have been accounts wherein Alexander the Great and his armor spotted silver "shields", as they described them. Believe me, I have a firm belief that ETs are visiting this planet.

And, you're forgetting the NASA UFO video, where the disc-shaped object was spotted hovering slowly underneath of the one mile long tether. That was a rather interesting video, if I do say so myself.

Not the UFOs in question!

The proof lies in the fact that we didn't have such advanced technology available to us and to underline my point, you can go to the official website of the FAA to find why we still have a regulations in place to govern supersonic flight over the continental United States. What that means is that we have yet to solve the riddle of the sonic boom, but apparently, real UFOs had already solved that problem long before we even flew.



Nope! And once again, we have yet to master the advanced technology as demonstrated by the performance levels of real UFOs.



The ETH is the most logical explanation when the facts are examined. I am sure that you won't have too much trouble finding official reports stating that it is the ONLY explanation!



Tell that to the scientist and engineers who have stated that the flying saucers they were observing and tracking, were those of extraterrestrial vehicles. Basically speaking, you have ignored all of the important issues relating to UFOs. You have stated that UFOs are not observed in outer space when astronomers, scientist and engineers have documented their UFO sightings in space for years on official documents, not to mention astronauts and cosmonauts, so my question to you is; why have you ignored those facts?