loch ness monster

please view all 4 vidios.

theories of what animal is it?
-whale
-dolphin
-seal
-eel
-giant fish

the loch is 1 mile from the ocean.
a hint perhaps that it is a dolphin?

Unfortunately, all of these possbilities but the seal are eliminated due to the many accounts of the creature seen on land. And the long neck eliminate a traditional seal, though this is not to say a kind of mammal developed the body shape of the succesful aquatic plesiosaur. There is proof this can happen as we see with dolphins having the same general body shape as icthyosaurs. But the problem with any of these creatures again, is there would have to be breeding populations, and why haven't the many sonor scans detected them? Nessie is probably a creature belonging to the supernatural realm, or extremely intelligent, both attributes of creatures believed in, and reported by by man since the dawn of history, and whose typical depiction has the same long neck and barrel shaped body. Remember too, that there are similar creatures reported in many other deep remote bodies of water, some of which are nowhere near the ocean.

I wouldnt call it evidence but there was a documentary on tv qutie a while ago i remember watching, they scanned the whole loch with high tech equipment and found pretty much nothing. They did however get one photo when the sonar picked up a large object, i think they were clutching at straws but it did look kinda flipper like.

That was a long , long time ago, and the sonar coverage was minisule compared to the size of Loch Ness. They kinda hung a sonar curtain down hoping that something would swim though it. But the flanks of the sweep were not covered and neither did they make a single sonar sweep of the Loch - any creature could just as easily have swum past their stopping point for the night and would have been behind the scan.
I seem to remember that the "Flipper" picture was disccredited for being enhanced, or altered in some way. Have to look into it again.

^ I don't know if this is the same sweep you're referring to, but I remember watching a doco where something like 19 (or 9?) boats equipped with sonar scanned the entire Loch side-by-side. They didn't get anything on their way up, but did manage to pick something up on their way back (just a large blob on the screen). I recall the flipper occurance you're talking about, whereby two underwater photos were taken, one depicting what appeared to be a flipper, and the other depicting what looked like a neck and head, and I believe you're right that they were debunked or there was something sus about them, I can't remember too well, but I do know they were challenged by other researchers.

Thanks for the link Eric, I watched all four videos. I thought they would at least continue to investigate the Pansy or at least look for the supposed skeleton at the bottom of the Loch, I thought it ended too quickly.

no problem

I think they must live in underwater caves(that rise into the air) and there are only a couple in the Loch at any given time. I'm pretty sure they're a sort of seal.

One question remain tho, did Nessie ever die? I mean like...you know..cold, dead? Why on a long history of the sightings, no one ever found a dead Nessie?

nessie isnt real y u may ask well the loch was frozen solid during the last ice age so nouthing survived in there from the dino age second the loch is to cold for a lar5ge cold blooded animal to live in without coming onto shore so if there was these animals they would be easily seen on the shore in large open sunny areas and all u need to do is look fro tracks and ull see them similar to croc slides u dont see them so where does this animal go to warm up? well maby its warm blooded well if it is there isnt enough food in the loch for a breeding population of warm blooded animals to surviveand also if u have a population of large warm or cold blooded animals in the loch both need to surface to breath and so u would see signs of this and u dont see this its not possible under these circumstances for nessie to be real

Again in austraillia they found skeletons which is a hot climate but at that time 65 million years ago it was cold.
How can you proove that it dosn't exist? you say questions that can't be answerd.

I think that the Loch Ness monster might be a Zeouglodon(spelling?), maybe some form of seal that happened to have a longer neck, an eel swiming on its side, a log, or a completely new species. Who knows, but it is highly ilikely that a plesiosaur or a small population has survived extinction and other factors. Despite all the doubt, I still really believe in the Loch Ness monster.

It says in the video how these things lived in cold water in austrailia years ago even though they were reptiles so who knows!?!

I agree with draconic, Nessie is more than likey something supernatural. Here's my thoery: In the year 500 a beastie in the loch was driven back by a monk/saint/priest (something of the sort, I don't remember). This man of the cloth, put on her a curse. She cannot die and has become something like a supernatural, highly intelligent creature. But that's just my thoery....

EDIT: to the OP, I remember watching this show on the History Channel. It was very interesting.

The Loch Ness monster is a myth perpetuated by the Scottish tourist board .people come from far and wide to try and see it ,whilst the cash registers ring merrily


fullywired

I think its great that they found a new life form. Possibly a source of food for Nessie.

I believe the "Loch Ness Monster" is nothing but an undiscovered fish or species, it is not a dino, though there have been findings of animals believed to be extinct (such as a particular fish, name eludes me at the moment) people are making a big spectacle out of it because it is the unknown, we don't know what it is, we don't have solid "scientific" evidence to prove it is residing in those waters, people always want to prove science wrong, it is a fun game to play, therefore they make a big deal, get all hyped up on their beliefs and then lose sight of reality. Yes, it is something different, something that is believed to be one of its kind, it is no magical unicorn or alien or fairy with special powers, it is most likely an undiscovered species, nothing to get all hyped up about, it is interesting but it is not life changing.

"The Great Glen runs from Inverness to Fort William (linked by the Caledonian Canal) and encompasses the River Ness and Loch Ness and a number of smaller tributaries.
Although the Ness itself is only short (6 miles), it can be very productive. It may not be long, but it
is a big river.
If you intend to fish Loch Ness you should seek local assistance, not only is it a huge loch, but can be dangerous to those without experience.
The River Ness has a reputation as a river which provides summer and early autumn sport of high quality and catches at times can be prolific."
It says "dangerous .. without experience". The roaring monster guards its fish stocks and will attack
fishermen on sight. Probably a naval convoy will be started to protect the brave men of the Loch...

You're close Rose, and I'm sure you'll like my book. Few people understand that the highest ranked heavenly creatures referred to in the Bible are the Seraphim, a word that in Hebrew means "fiery flying serpents" modified pterosaurs or similar reptiles that assisted in the devlopment of mankind. When the scriptures were translated into Greek the creatures were called Drakons, the word which would evolve into Dragons, and these are the dragons that appear in every human culture.

Saint Columba did not curse the creature, for it was a heavenly creature. It was devouring an inconsequential pagan pict and went after another when Columba announced he and his followers were Christians. "Nessie" retreated becasue she cannot harm righteous Jews or Christians. Like the humanoid angels, the seraph-dragons have incredibly long, or indefinate lifespans and capable of flight. Since medieval times, they tend to limit their daytime activity to deep bodies of water where they can elude human detection. Like many other archosaurs they are probably warm blooded, and similar creatures are reported around the world in similar cold water lakes. The can be quite dangerous towards Pagan infidels as we see in the St. Columba story, and considerably more so in this incident involving Godless Mongols:

from a Russian article "It is rumored that the strange giant creature has been living the Lake Brosno for several centuries already. One of the legends says that the lake monster scared to death the Tatar-Mongol army that headed for Novgorod in the 8th century. Baty-khan stopped the troops to have some rest on the sides of Lake Brosno. Horses were let to drink water from the lake. However, when horses came down to the lake, a huge creature emerged from the water roaring and started devouring horses and soldiers. The Baty-khan troops were so terrified that they turned back, and Novgorod was saved. Old legends say that some enormous mouth devoured fishermen. Chronicles mention some "sand mountain" that emerged above the lake surface from time to time. Once, Varangians wanted to hide stolen treasures in the lake. But when they approached the small island, a dragon came to the surface from the lake and swallowed the small island up.

The terrible monster disturbed people’s minds over the 18-19th century. It was rumored that the giant creature emerged on the lake surface in the evenings, but immediately submerged when people approached. It is said that during WWII the beast swallowed up a Fascist plane. Today, there are lots of witnesses who say they chanced to see Brosnya walking in the water. People say that it turns boats upside-down and has to do with disappearance of people."

Since the 1300's?

None of you people have considered the unthinkable! Perhaps it is not some sort of rare species. Maybe it's not a dinosaur or a sea monster. Perhaps it is a large swimming elephant! Think about it! Look at any good picture with the neck, head, and back out of the water. The head and neck could easily make up a trunk and the back could make the head of the elephant. Now as to why this swimming elephant would be in Scottland. Well...why would a dinosaur still be in Scottland?

The supposed carcass... I guess a carcass in water would have been completely devoured by other marine life like fish and eels, leaving only bones.. the one in the video seems to still have flesh and skin

Yay! I'm not as dumb as I look. And you have very intreguing thoeries. Your book sounds like it would be very good.


Thanks for answering him, Mr. Jellyfish. I didn't feel the need to dignify him with a response. And I believe it was even before the 1300's. Something like 500ad.

i read in a book 'Mysteries of Planet Earth' that the monster's head and neck which often appears in photographs is actually one of the tentacles of a type of squid that lives in the loch. the 'head' of the monster is the curled up tip.

Im starting to relise this mightn be a giant squid.

I didn't know there were black squid.

Squid??? You've got to be kidding. Nessie has been seen crawling around OUT of the loch as reported by many witnesses, and long before anyone cared about making the loch a tourist trip. Actually when the road was first built which confused the creature which commonly left the water. And no, no tentactles, when reported outside of the water, it clearly had on one head. And when seen up close the head is clearly a head with two eyes and a mouth sometimes describes like a horse or dragon head. Also hard to confuse a "dragon" head with an elephant's trunk when the creature is so close that you look it in the eye, as some witnesses have reported. Read the early reports. The creature was a lot bolder in the past, but there are so many people around now the creature has become far more elusive.

They should get a police face sketcher to draw up a copy of what Nessie looked like to the victims.

There is no such thing as a freshwater cephalopod. In their life history there has never been any evidence for invasion of freshwater habitats. A probable explanation is their use of haemocyanin as a respiratory pigment. But I'm not sure. In any case, there have never been freshwater cephalopods. Although many terrestrial and freshwater animals use haemocyanin, you have to bear in mind that cephalopods are intelligent, fast hunters, and are very active. the coppuer in haemocyanin does have a lower affinity for O2 that iron in haemoglobin, and it may also be that freshwater is more dynamic in its o2 and ionic changes than seawater (and of course the haemocyanins used by molluscs and insects do differ). Osmoregulation could be a key problem.



That said, "Doc" Sheils did propose a freshwater "elephant squid", along with a pic (which has become quite imfamous on this site since my posting of it about a year or so ago!). And if you're not careful, I might post that very pic yet again! and that IS a threat!

Or maybe it's a rare elephant who's defense mechanism makes it look like it has a dragon head where really, the eyes and mouth are just effects used to scare enemies. Like the other Loch Ness Monster.
You know, kinda like those butterflies that have it look like there's an owl on the back of their wings to scare away birds. Or maybe those're moths.

As far as the scans go, isn't there a complex of caves in the Loch Ness? Could that explain why the scanning failed? I remember hearing somebody mention that perhaps the Loch Ness is a breeding ground and the caves lead out to the ocean, where the animals could live relatively undetected. Has this been proven wrong yet? I haven't kept up to date with Loch Ness news lately.

No one has ever found such caves and plenty of divers have looked. Caves are the excuse why sonor scans don't detect the beast, but this is becasue people nowadays insist that it is a trapped water-bound creature, but this is not the case at all. There are many reports of Nessie out of the water. If the sonor bothered her there are plenty of wooded beaches she could crawl up on undetected. Loch Ness is simply one of the better known refuges of creatures that have been reported in the British isles for thousands of years, and all over the world for that matter. They used to be called "dragons", but now we think words like "Plesiosaur" sound more scientific.

Out of water? that would be a large seal.

hmm, not sure yet. ive heard alot about that before. but many people have complained there are no underwater caves. although like on the video, the water is rediculously dark, so if people are down there i wouldnt doubt that they could have missed something. its a decent sized body of water

Ah, I didn't know the caves were just a rumor.

I suppose it could be an animal adapted for forest walking, but I feel most animals would be ill-suited for both water travel and travel through rough wooded terrain. The two don't seem to go together to me.

Just looking at the geological surveys for he area, and the dominant point is a mount composed mostly of old red Sandstone, that could well have fractures and caves. Not sure if these extend below the waterline though.
I think a plesiosaur is least likely of all options because the Loch itself is only 10,000 years old, and was originally a glacier that filled the whole of the valley. the ice age lasted some 20,000 years. The plesiosaur , by historic and contemporary dating died out 10's of millions of years before the ice age began, and was adapted to live in warm oceans (judging byt the context in which they have been found.

Coming out of water could be an eel of course, a big one admittedly and still a cryptid. Eels are known to be able to traverse overland, sometimes for if the ground is damp enough to prevent the skin (more importantly the slime) from drying out

I read they had recently discovered a large cavern at the bottom of the lake.

http://www.nessie.co.uk/nessie/lochness.html

I didn't look into it much though, I'm sure there are better sources.

Uh, did anyone ever noticed that Plesiosaur won't ever leave water? They don't nest for eggs, they gave birth to their young.


http://www.plesiosaur.us/

This is why I dismiss Nessie as a plesiosaur, on the first hand.

nice find nocturnal. yeah, it says around like 812feet he may have found some underground caves/caverns there. the depth was only suposed to be 750ish or so, but here they found it going alot deeper with the idea there may be some kind of cavern down there.

Actually, they have proven Plesiosaurs thrived in Cold, near arctic waters. But I agree Nessie cannot be a landlocked plesiosaur. These creatures were reported for thousands of years in the British Isles, both in the water and on land and were called dragons. Some Monitor lizards are just as agile in water as on land. Even Komodo dragons swim from one island to another in their range to steal goats, but most people think of them as land animals. Many monitors are better adapted to swimming. This is not to say medieval dragons are monitor lizards, but only shows there are animals equally adapted to water and land.

Need we be reminded of the coelacanth? And there have been fossils of plesiosaur found in what would have been colder oceans at the time they lived.

But once again, draconic got here before me....

I've been on this site many times. Never left any reply's or beleived half these things in the forum. But this is great, i mean the corpse, the new "sponge" species and mystery boat wrek.

Anyone heard anything from after this? did they ever bring the so called "corpse" up and identify it?

I thought someody might mention the coelacanth, Their habitat never disappeared, and living at extreme depth would have given them some protection from the great extinctions which saw the demise of Plesiosaurs. Some teeth from Elasmosaurids have been found in the High Arctic but general belief that is that they followed a period of extreme climatic warming. Another problem is that only three near complete Plesiosaur skeletons have been found to preserve the context, of these three all were found in strata deposited in shallow, warm. coastal regions.

yeah true, ive heard of the warm areas they were found in. although like stated above they already said it could have lived in cold water. they found some by new zealand i think, a few thousand (12?) years ago when it was very cold. so they may have been able to live in colder regions.
and since the coelacanth went down deeper to live and disapear, its possible a larger animal could do that as well in a large loch, thats like the darkest one in the world once you dive into it. but could it happen? and just possibly live of the sponge like creatures and the eels or other fish down there?

Did you guys read and clearly understood that the today's coealacanth is actually a different, so DIFFERENT species of Coealacanth? The species living today belonged to the family Latimeria, a sub order of the Coelacanth family. So yes, they're not entirely a surviving prehistoric fish, they're a close relative of their prehistoric cousins. Just like today's crocodile to Saurosuchus.

What I'm trying to say is; never bring a 'Coelacanth argument' as your weapon or basic idea to debate about any (possible) surviving prehistoric creatures.

If it was extinct then why they havant removed if from the livving fossils? You need to cheak the DNA to see if was the same.

Walrus!!!!!


Sorry, we have a walrus in our loch.




Allegedly...

I'm sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean? Where do we must remove it from?

When you said it was a distant relitave, how can we proove that? We need the DNA of both fish 1 extinct and 1 living but it will be quite hard to extract the DNA of the exticnt fish only 1%.

I'm a pagan infidel, and I have been to the Loch. Why didn’t I get eaten? How did anyone survive prior to Christ if these beasts roamed the earth like you say?

Nowadays its impossible for the creatures to discern pagans from christians. Things went downhill right after Columba arrived and demonstrated the advantages of Christianity. But the evidence is pretty clear, the north european barbarians had many legends of dragons attacking them, but once they became Christians the attacks. Why else would bloodthirsty barbarians accept such a pacifistic religion, instead of their old ones filled with violent gods.