not idiotic, its just background research actually allows you to form an opinion, instead of 'pure rubbish'. people have stated mars could have quite possibly been habitable a long time ago. this may be why there looks like theres structures on the planet. structures that almost look like ones we have on our planet. and if these are Rocks as you claim they may be, theres alot of them, and they look like pyramids and a face. which is just weird.
and why is this so hard to even think about emma? im serious. why cant you even think for a second that there could be another civiliazation out there? one that use to live out there, and possibly close to us. who knows, these could actually be monuments of some sort. like here on earth
but until we actually get there, on the ground, i guess we wont know for sure (unfortunately)

I guess that in order to be 100% sure this will have to happen.

However, I did actually present some geological info that very, very strongly indicates that the "Mars Monuments" are very, very likely the product of long past Martian geological forces that are similar to the geological forces we see here on Earth. As for any strong evidence of advanced alien beings having created gigantic monuments on Mars...well, you get the picture.

Agree...I'm just in shock that someone has sense!

uh huh........i think i may agree with you here.
wow

A childish and immature statement at best. I stand by my earlier post that if you are too lazy to put this chip on your shoulder away, and to actually reasearch the raw data, then your arguments - actually just gainsaying,- would have some merit. The "I dont have to do any research because I know" is arrogant in the extreme, and has echoes of past and present dictatorships. In case you had not realised it through the red haze in your eyes, I am not for one second giving any kind os support to this theory, but I do want to know more, not from this man though.

I would like to point out to Lilly that the geologic forces that have shaped mars are nothing similar to those that shaped earth. There are no signs of plate tectonics on Mars, but vast vulcanism and weather erosion mechanisms.

I didn't say that martian geology was exactly like terrian geology. However, there certainly are similar mechanisms (key world here being 'similar'). Take a look at this site.

if you can get past the incredibly long drawn out intro on this vid all you get to see are some white blotches and what looks suspiciously like a Lifeboat launching station and ramp. Reminds me of Port Reyes.

I have downloaded the raw data supplied by NASA, and imaging software. Although I am only at a very early stage in researching this I do have to say that I have not yet been able to re-create the Pixel resolution described in the video. So far I have not been able to resolve any of the images into the shapes shown. If I wanted to I could of course, use various morphing tools and blurring / combining pixels to make almost any shape that I wanted to.
I can see why NASA wanted to use Hi-Res imaging in this area because the topography itself is extraordinary. Lots of Flow processes in evidence, and Slumps, also a great deal of vulcanism during an earlier epoch.
As I say, I am really only just touching the surface of the data at the moment but will keep you posted of anything, even remotely similar to the Video.
I will be posting raw images from the area descibed as and when I feel happy that I haven't inadvertently changed any of the context

Hmmmm ... 3:22 of nothing in great words ... that is how I sell insurance. You talk until your opposite is half drunk from triviality and then you sell ól Prissy some suspenders.....

If those things are intelligently made it must have been by flying creatures .... 'çause who else wants to see faces from above?

[10] The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Now, where do we go? Where do we fly to?

I have spent a lot of time now studying the raw data.
I cannot even begin to produce images that appear in the video. Remember that the pixel resolution is 5.32metres.
I have been able to reconstruct (by totally cheating I hasten to add!!) a "monument " of Mickey Mouse in the same area!!! Blurring, averaging, combining, cropping certain pixels etcetera. I may post it in a new thread, wonder if Mr Hoagland will pick it up and run with it? Interesting thought.....

I have included here some of the raw data (has to be done as a GIF unfortunately) images. Anyone can play with them in photoshop, or Picture Editor. Would be fun to see if anyone else can "discover" maybe Elvis, or Minnie!!

None of the "structures" are resolvable without a LOT of manipulation...

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Tythonia

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Tythonia in context

couldn't a past civilsation built something in the hope that it would last a life time for all the worlds to see or maybe a beacon.
nasa i think only want you see what they want you to see. If they open they let see everything live and all the files they have.

This is so cool to see! Thanks for doing it, Keithisco. Seeing the naked rock formations helps me better understand some of the landforms here, geologically speaking.

NS

I've stayed out of this thread, mainly because I don't want to spend my time chasing down every silly theory ever stated, and the face on Mars thing is one of the silliest.

Still, while perusing the thread, I came across the following exchange and felt I had to make a point:





Everyone please note what is being said here.

If NASA releases the photos, it's evidence of a conspiratorial coverup. If NASA doesn't release the photos, it's also evidence of a conspiratorial coverup.

So no matter what NASA does, they expose their own conspiratorial coverup?

This is evidence alright. Evidence of a warped and incomprehensibly faulty logic on the part of the above poster.

Sorry Oxy. Please think before you type.

Sorry also if this illogic was pointed out further along in the thread. I haven't read it all and I guess I'm not going to. I have to log off now.

Harte

Mr. Harte if you turn on CNN they are reporting CIA's dirty secrets, so to say that by admitting previous coverups does not implicate current practices. If NASA came out with the truth about mars if it does in fact exist no one would call for the dismantle of NASA it would as stated give fresh interest in the space program but I doubt such information would survive a real goverment coverup.

Moved to appropriate section.

Took you long enough.

So in order to illustrate your invalid point, you fictionalize the mission of a group like NASA into some covert operation?

Of course the CIA conducts covert activities. They are an intelligence agency. They are involved in spying. We don't want the people we are spying on to know that we are spying on them, thus the "covertness."

In order to manipulate the subjects of intelligence activities into the sort of behavior we need, the CIA performs certain operations that you here refer to as "dirty tricks."

So, let me put my point a different way. Say Nasa has discovered evidence of some monument-building activities on Mars. They have photographic evidence. What do they do with it?

According to you, if they keep it a secret, why that's a conspiracy and a coverup.
On the other hand, if they release the information freely, why that's also a conspiracy and coverup.

Is there some third alternative I'm missing here? Something that an agency not involved in a conspiracy and a coverup might be expected to do?

Harte

I was wondering that as well, it seems NASA is guilty of a 'conspiracy' in any case...

Its a typical Believer get-out clause.

Thats not what I said I said if they admit it and come clean no body will crusify them, they will be appluaded for their integrity.

I think NASA has ‘come clean’, they say these ‘monuments’ are natural formations... If it’s so plain these are ancient monuments, where are the scientists from ALL the other countries? You don’t seriously believe NASA can influence all the scientists of all the other countries on Earth, do you?... just wondering

yes they can. its like not listening to the Pope on how to celebrate christmas

"Came clean" from what?

If they "came clean," then why wouldn't you be able to say that they were still lying? After all, you've already established that no matter what they may do regarding whether they release these photos or not, it proves they are involved in a conspiratorial coverup of some ancient Martian civilization.

If they came out tomorrow saying they'd been lying and that the Martians had once actually existed, why wouldn't you suspect them of lying to cover up the fact that giant blob monsters from Jupiter had set up base camps on Mars from which to attack Earth or something? Or maybe they're covering up the fact that ancient peoples from an Earth era predating the Stone Age had traveled to Mars with intent to colonize or something and that those people built these monuments.

There are any number of stories for them to be "covering up," no matter what they say. Once you open that door, what would indicate to you that it should be closed? Your own sense of the extreme? If that's the case, then my own sense of the extreme has already kicked in. So explain to me why your sense on this is more valid than my own?

Harte

We've already had this vid on another thread, it is complete & utter rubbish.

i dont see a city just a bunch of craters

Nothing there but rocks, craters, shadows, hills, & depressions that some have chosen to see as faces, buildings, spaceships, cities, & pyramids.