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megashredder
The government is toying with you brain. You leave all the answers to the system. There are thing that they don’t want you to know. There is evidence all around us that suggests that 911 was a con job. Yes the government is out there to protect us and to enforce the set of laws that keep the good people of the country in line. But the very people that are supposed to be protecting us are going to be are destruction. Please have an open mind when reading my theories and statements. Please read carefully. Do not skims, troll or Para claim.

911 conspiracy theory evidence.


1. My first piece of evidence that suggests that 911 was an inside job is the probability. As we all know there were (supposedly) four planes one for the pentagon. Two for the trade centers. One for the white house. Based on the evidence the passengers in the plane headed for the white brought the plane down. The odds of passengers on the white house flight knowing how to take control of a plane and bring it down are highly unlikely. And there are multiple places that the plane could have been brought down. And it comes down in an open field of all places. There is a ¼ chance of the one plane headed for the white house (The most powerful place on earth) crashing. And the plane crashed in an open field of all places.

The odds of that plane crashing in an open field are unlikely. The odds are the people knowing how to guide the plane are unlikely. The people confronting the terrorists. Terrorists that have knives combat skills, is unlikely. You would think that the (supposed) terrorists, Terrorists with months of training would plan for the scenarios.

This is a recreation of the report of light 93. The plane that was headed for the white house has crashed in an open field. The brave average citizens that clearly don’t know anything about flying planes overcome the strength of highly trained terrorists and took control of the plane and crashed it. And we don’t even see the wreckage.

And heres another one. There were three terrorist on the hijacked aircraft. That means that if the heroes wanted to crash the plane they would have had to do it right then and there. They had no time to steer the plane. So if the plane crashed into an open field. It would have had to have been flying right above it when the hero’s took control and crashed the plane. What are the odds that the hero’s just happened to be flying right above an open field when they crashed the plane? The odds of this are unlikely. Most of these claims that the government makes are questionable and sketchy.

And these terrorists have knives and used intimidation force. If someone tried to take control of the plane why didn’t the terrorist just stab then entrance to the cockpit really isn’t all that hard to guard.


2. Now we move on to the structural damage to the twin towers. There is a multitude of evidence that suggests that that flight 97 was a controlled demolition. The government claims that the twin towers were destroyed by the fire. But when you look at the pictures there is a small opening in the building where the planes hit. The opening extended to about three or four floors. Now if the fire spread throughout the building like the government officials said then the smoke from the fire would have to come out of the opening that the planes made. The opening is about four floors high. As listed above. All that smoke cannot come out of that opening so the fire you have put itself out to lack of air. And how does the fire spread more that four floors. The stone that the floors are made out of are not flammable. So the fire would spread throughout the four floors and that’s it. The fire would not at all accelerate. So there would be four floors intact with burnt wreckage. And the fire cannot cause structural mills to bend because the heat of the plane fuel gas is not enough to corrode metal.

Now let’s say the fire causes the steel mills that hold the buildings up to collapse. (Major benefit of the doubt) If the fire caused the structure mills to corrode they would bend either inward or outward. And that would show. On theses photos and videos of the 911 attacks there is no evidence that suggests that the structure corroded. Now let’s say that the structure bent and we just missed it. If the four floors collapsed the building would come down one floor at a time. There are a hundred and ten floors. Now let’s say the floors came down ½ second speed that’s fifty-five seconds. But the twin towers came down in eight seconds. That’s controlled demolition speed.

And heres another little claim when the tower comes down there are explosions. As evidenced by the puffy reddish-orange clouds. In fifteen minutes all the gas from the planes would be burned up so what caused those explosions. Just steel, metal, and concrete clashing together isn’t enough to cause an explosion.

Everything was vaporized in the demolition. And in controlled demolitions there is vaporization. If it was really the fire that brought the building down there would be large debris but there is nothing!

When you see the tower go down you see explosions. The only way there could be explosions is if there were… well explosives. If it were a fire the structure would have corroded and there would not have been red puffy clouds that evidence explosions. But there are!

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Look carefully at what the arrow is pointing at. Those are explosions. Look at the steel structure. If it was a fire that brought the building down there would be corrosions. There would be pieces of metal sticking out and there aren’t so the claim the building was brought down by a fire is a ridiculous claim.

3. And thirdly let’s take a look at the circumstantial evidence. All the videos we have seen of Osama have been blurry right in there with Bigfoot. There are eye witnesses that say the planes had no windows and were the wrong size and did not have American airlines markings on them. If you ask the firemen that were sent to go in find and retrieve the victims most of them will say the there were explosions going on inside the trade centers. And one of the witnesses that were there in the building said that there were explosions and then he was quickly taken way by government officials. Bush and his family were supposed to have connections to the Osama family. The terrorist groups were “supposedly” in Afghanistan yet we invade Iraq. Sure bushes father had to settle the feud he started with Iraq. But you would think that bush would put finding the al’queda terrorist group on the top of his priority list. If theses people can kill twenty-eight thousand people in the flash of an eye bush should have gone in and found them before he goes into Iraq. And if he can find suddam who is a world leader. Why can’t he find Osama who is just some nutcase who dislikes Americans intensely? The whole 911 plot is very fishy. We all know that Bush is not one of the brightest leaders we have had but you would think that he would have done more to try and make 911 look more like it was done by the terrorists.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Sorry. Don't buy it.
Thozzman
Don't buy any loony conspiracy theories.

Primeval
What is it that you have against your government, that makes you think they would do such a thing?
MoonPrincess
You can take a cat. Make it into something else. But it's still a cat.

Ok. That hardly made sense. But, I don't buy it either. I don't believe it was an inside job.
joc
Benjamin Franklin was once reported as having said:

Three men can keep a secret...if two of them are dead.

The truth of the 911 Conspiracy is that the Democrats hated Bush so much for winning the Supreme Court decision over AlGore that they 'invented' this conspiracy.

Dude...wake up...it really happened. Really. It really did. Planes. Not bombs. Planes. Not the government. Get real already.
megashredder
The point that I am trying to make is that all the evidence in this essay is iriefusable proof that 911 was a con job. If it was a fire that destroyed the building then why isnt the structure corroding? and who does a fir spread when concrete and steel is not flamamble so how does the fire spead from floor to floor? If there was any rebutal evidence then you woulks state it here buth there isnt so all you guys can say is that I don't buy it. Yes we know that you guys think that the government is not evil enought to do this but, you cannot go agaisnt the evidence. all the facts physical and circumstantian they all point to a con job.
joc
QUOTE(megashredder @ Jun 24 2007, 10:33 PM) *
The point that I am trying to make is that all the evidence in this essay is iriefusable proof that 911 was a con job. If it was a fire that destroyed the building then why isnt the structure corroding? and who does a fir spread when concrete and steel is not flamamble so how does the fire spead from floor to floor? If there was any rebutal evidence then you woulks state it here buth there isnt so all you guys can say is that I don't buy it. Yes we know that you guys think that the government is not evil enought to do this but, you cannot go agaisnt the evidence. all the facts physical and circumstantian they all point to a con job.


The planes carrying maximum fuel capacity hit the buildings. The initial impact and explosion destroyed much of the stabilizing force of the buildings. The heat of the fire further weakened the structure until the cavernous hole could no longer hold the weight of the stories above. The stories above collapsed upon the lower stories pancaking all the way to ground zero.

The point you are trying to make isn't irrefutable. It just isn't.

The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(megashredder @ Jun 24 2007, 05:33 PM) *
The point that I am trying to make is that all the evidence in this essay is iriefusable proof that 911 was a con job. If it was a fire that destroyed the building then why isnt the structure corroding? and who does a fir spread when concrete and steel is not flamamble so how does the fire spead from floor to floor? If there was any rebutal evidence then you woulks state it here buth there isnt so all you guys can say is that I don't buy it. Yes we know that you guys think that the government is not evil enought to do this but, you cannot go agaisnt the evidence. all the facts physical and circumstantian they all point to a con job.

I am curious. How many CT theories do you believe and why?


I have found the explantions given by many engineers to be acceptable. You seem the need to believe in this. Most of us don't.
megashredder
Well if the gasoline explosions destroyed the structure holding the building up WHY ISNT THE STRUCTURE CORRODING?!. and what is this hole that you are takling about the goverment officials saying that it was a fire that ate a way that the structure now its an explsion! you need to get you facts strait. if the hole was weakend why didn' the top of the building fall of. and is the structure of the building is talking damage why is the frame intact i mean look at theres not a scratch on it. 911 was an inside job a con job!
joc
QUOTE(megashredder @ Jun 24 2007, 11:21 PM) *
Well if the gasoline explosions destroyed the structure holding the building up WHY ISNT THE STRUCTURE CORRODING?!. and what is this hole that you are takling about the goverment officials saying that it was a fire that ate a way that the structure now its an explsion! you need to get you facts strait. if the hole was weakend why didn' the top of the building fall of. and is the structure of the building is talking damage why is the frame intact i mean look at theres not a scratch on it. 911 was an inside job a con job!


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An Urban Legend
Wow, pretty long post Shredder, I commend you for trying to expose 9/11 being an inside job, but some of the points you raised can be refuted by some known debunkers here. I dont disagree with your main thesis, but I just dont believe some of the points you raised are the strongest arguments for 9/11 being an inside job. I would start by bringing up the eye witness accounts of explosives and the collapse of Wtc7 which has been proven to be a controlled demolition; can anyone say "Barry Jennings"? He actually witnessed explosives first hand in Wtc7, a large explosion occured then the stairwell right under his feet just collapsed, leaving him hanging for his life. Note* all of this happened before the second tower was even strcuk, so there is virtually no damage to the building from debris because either Tower hasnt collapsed yet. That just throws the debunkers arguments straight out of the window. They may claim "well oh well maybe it was a fuel tank which exploded in the building", incorrect, even for the sake of arguement if there was a fuel tank in the building, there wouldnt have been anything to damage this fuel tank causing it to explode because NEITHER TOWER COLLAPSED YET!

So when you look at all of the debunker's arguments in they're bare structure for Wtc7 collapsing, you will quickly realize it relies upon the Twin Towers collapse throwing debris at Wtc7, which did not yet occur while Barry Jennings was within WTC7, in closing the debunkers have no argument for why the building collapsed. The only possibility that is the most logical based on the testimony is that World Trade Center 7 was a controlled demolition. And even if the buildings did take damage from debris after the collapses, that still would not cause the entire building to collapse from a mere office fire, no jet fuel involved! All of these facts just turns the official story on its head. Shredder, I just think these things are better places to argue from. Hey, just look I posted the topic of Eye Witness testimony of explosives and not one debunker had anything to say. I still waiting and welcoming they're response.
MID
QUOTE(megashredder @ Jun 24 2007, 07:21 PM) *
Well if the gasoline explosions destroyed the structure holding the building up WHY ISNT THE STRUCTURE CORRODING?!. and what is this hole that you are takling about the goverment officials saying that it was a fire that ate a way that the structure now its an explsion! you need to get you facts strait. if the hole was weakend why didn' the top of the building fall of. and is the structure of the building is talking damage why is the frame intact i mean look at theres not a scratch on it. 911 was an inside job a con job!




Whooo.... wacko.gif

Jet's run on kerosene, not gasoline....

The hole?

Are you kidding (hint, there were jet size holes which cut right through the middle of the buildings, provided by 100 ton airplanes traveling at about 700 feet per second) ?


How much "corrosion" do you expect to see in a half hour or so?
The internal structure of the buildings were degraded immediately by the explosions, and the impact of 200,000 pound aircraft (loaded with fuel, which they were). Massive fire, burning all of the cumbustibles in the buildings, provided further degradation, which resulted in the support failing, and, the pancake collapse we all saw, and which engineeers have explained completely.

Where are you coming from?



Primeval
Popular mechanics already debunked all of your guys crazy theory's.
megashredder
"How much "corrosion" do you expect to see in a half hour or so?" You sealed your own fate there. You are saying that there is barley any corrion of the structure so WTF brought the tower down? magic I don't think so!
joc
QUOTE(megashredder @ Jun 25 2007, 12:03 AM) *
"How much "corrosion" do you expect to see in a half hour or so?" You sealed your own fate there. You are saying that there is barley any corrion of the structure so WTF brought the tower down? magic I don't think so!



You don't want to explore anything remotely resembling the truth...you just intend to hang on to your adolescent thought process...and that is okay...you can do that...but you will never learn a great deal about anything with that kind of an attitude.
Primeval
QUOTE(megashredder @ Jun 24 2007, 05:03 PM) *
"How much "corrosion" do you expect to see in a half hour or so?" You sealed your own fate there. You are saying that there is barley any corrion of the structure so WTF brought the tower down? magic I don't think so!



A ***SNIP*** plane crashed into it! I guess normally planes don't bring down buildings where your from huh?
luis9343
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 24 2007, 02:32 PM) *
What is it that you have against your government, that makes you think they would do such a thing?


US soldiers DEAD=3,500
Iraqi Civillians DEAD=62,000
US Oil Prices=UP
Bush and Chaneys Stock in Military=UP
World View of Bush and the US=Very Bad
Intelligence of Bush in general=Laughable
Government Support for 9/11 heroes and victims=Horrible

Hopefully that answers your question.
Primeval
QUOTE(luis9343 @ Jun 24 2007, 05:11 PM) *
US soldiers DEAD=3,500
Iraqi Civillians DEAD=62,000
US Oil Prices=UP
Bush and Chaneys Stock in Military=UP
World View of Bush and the US=Very Bad
Intelligence of Bush in general=Laughable
Government Support for 9/11 heroes and victims=Horrible

Hopefully that answers your question.




***SNIP***

There was no draft! All the soldiers there WANT TO BE THERE, you have a higher chance of getting killed in a car accident back home.
The Iraqi civilians are dead because of terrorists no one else. You think your oil prices are bad, ***SNIP***.

So what their stock is up? This is a horrible time to be a president, during 9/11 and all that.
You not showing support for your own country's leader (PRICELESS) doesn't help make your country look smarter.
Government support for 9/11 victims/heroes... When has the government cared about individual people.
Death B4 Dishonour
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 25 2007, 12:07 AM) *
A ***SNIP*** plane crashed into it! I guess normally planes don't bring down buildings where your from huh?


Actually the buildings were designed and built to withstand a plane crashing into the buildings.

How do you explain WTC7 Einstein? No plane crashed into it, no raging inferno etc......

DBD
joc
QUOTE(luis9343 @ Jun 25 2007, 12:11 AM) *
US soldiers DEAD=3,500
Iraqi Civillians DEAD=62,000
US Oil Prices=UP
Bush and Chaneys Stock in Military=UP
World View of Bush and the US=Very Bad
Intelligence of Bush in general=Laughable
Government Support for 9/11 heroes and victims=Horrible

Hopefully that answers your question.


It wasn't the US that killed the Iraqi Civilians...Sadaam killed more of them than the insurgents.
Please provide The numbers and names of oil stock owned by Bush and/or Cheney.

Who cares what the world thinks? Passivists...that's who.
Primeval
QUOTE(Death B4 Dishonour @ Jun 24 2007, 05:23 PM) *
Actually the buildings were designed and built to withstand a plane crashing into the buildings.

How do you explain WTC7 Einstein? No plane crashed into it, no raging inferno etc......

DBD



Don't call me Einstein, ***SNIP***
Death B4 Dishonour
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 25 2007, 12:27 AM) *
Don't call me Einstein, ***SNIP***.


Try answering the question, rather than insulting with lame comments.

explain to me how did WTC7 fall neatly into a pile when no plane crashed into it?
Primeval
QUOTE(Death B4 Dishonour @ Jun 24 2007, 05:28 PM) *
Try answering the question, rather than insulting with lame comments.

explain to me how did WTC7 fall neatly into a pile when no plane crashed into it?



Alright, first a plane crashed into it... And then it crashed.
luis9343
QUOTE(joc @ Jun 24 2007, 05:25 PM) *
It wasn't the US that killed the Iraqi Civilians...Sadaam killed more of them than the insurgents.
Please provide The numbers and names of oil stock owned by Bush and/or Cheney.

Who cares what the world thinks? Passivists...that's who.


62,000 Iraqi Civillians dead from this current war, im not talking about Saddams reign. Im pretty sure thats right, feel free to check for yourself and let me know if im wrong.

QUOTE
Alright, first a plane crashed into it... And then it crashed.


blink.gif Im confused.
Primeval
QUOTE(luis9343 @ Jun 24 2007, 05:30 PM) *
62,000 Iraqi Civillians dead from this current war, im not talking about Saddams reign. Im pretty sure thats right, feel free to check for yourself and let me know if im wrong.



How about you give us a link to your source?
Death B4 Dishonour
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 25 2007, 12:30 AM) *
Alright, first a plane crashed into it... And then it crashed.


You are very immature in your posts.

Yes when a plane crashes into a building it does "CRASH" into the building... your point being?
An Urban Legend
QUOTE
Hopefully your retarded!
Please, let be cival, can you refrain from insults. hmm.gif

QUOTE
There was no draft! All the soldiers there WANT TO BE THERE, you have a higher chance of getting killed in a car accident back home.
The Iraqi civilians are dead because of terrorists no one else. You think your oil prices are bad, Stop whining and try living in Canada.
Acutally, your incorrect, you dont have a higher chance of getting killed in a car accident back home, soldiers are dying every week in Iraq! Can you count how many died in IED roadside bombs!? How can you even say something so silly? Iraqi civilians arent dead because of terrorist, you know what contributed to most of these 60,000+ civilian deaths?! U.S. friendly fire accidents! The U.S.'s Coalition bombed so many wrong targets in Iraq until it makes you think they're tracking technology was built in the 1940s! 3/4 of those civilian deaths came from U.S hands. Let that sink it..........uh, oh, you are the weakest link.

QUOTE
So what their stock is up? This is a horrible time to be a president, during 9/11 and all that.
You not showing support for your own country's leader (PRICELESS) doesn't help make your country look smarter.
Government support for 9/11 victims/heroes... When has the government cared about individual people.
Go get therapy. It is a horrible time to be president, expecially if your approval rating is 26% percent, THE LOWEST IN HISTORY. Do you honestly think this is blind hate? No one likes Bush because of his actions, all of which DONT reflect his words. And if the government supported the victims families of 9/11 they would reopen an investigation into what happen to all 3 buildings. "Oh no, we cant do that because it will point back to us". rolleyes.gif
Primeval
QUOTE(Death B4 Dishonour @ Jun 24 2007, 05:32 PM) *
You are very immature in your posts.

Yes when a plane crashes into a building it does "CRASH" into the building... your point being?



OMG.... You clearly want me to tell you that a plane couldn't collapse the buildings, but they did.
It's that simple.
An Urban Legend
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 24 2007, 04:32 PM) *
How about you give us a link to your source?
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

All reports of civilian deaths are there.

“We don’t do body counts”
General Tommy Franks, US Central Command
Death B4 Dishonour
QUOTE(luis9343 @ Jun 25 2007, 12:30 AM) *
62,000 Iraqi Civillians dead from this current war, im not talking about Saddams reign. Im pretty sure thats right, feel free to check for yourself and let me know if im wrong.


Actually its more than that. Its roughly about 100,000 lives lost in Iraq. According to american public health experts 100,000 innocent people in Iraq have been murdered at the hands of the US military. A majority of these slayings seems to happen when the US drops bombs on civilian areas and a lot of the causalities are women and children.

Is this the freedom that Bush talks about? Where is the freedom for those kids? I think in the whole war on terror the US has killed more innocent people than terrorists. Do you think the people in Iraq aren't huddled in their homes at night in fear for their lives for a bomb might drop on their house? This makes you ask your self who the real "terrorists" are.

People might want to look into this because we were all ready to press charges for war crimes in the slaughter of 100,000 innocent people, Now bush has done the same thing he claimed he was trying to stop.

DBD
Primeval
Alright than, i don't know what your trying to prove but your making yourself look really dumb. Your being disrespectful to your Troops, your president
(who you voted for), and the victims of 9/11.
joc
QUOTE(luis9343 @ Jun 25 2007, 12:30 AM) *
62,000 Iraqi Civillians dead from this current war, im not talking about Saddams reign. Im pretty sure thats right, feel free to check for yourself and let me know if im wrong.


Oh, I believe the stats...what I am talking about is the number of civilians killed by Sadaam during the same length of time the war has occurred. I believe you will find Sadaam's civilian casualty count much, much higher for the same length of time.
Death B4 Dishonour
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 25 2007, 12:34 AM) *
OMG.... You clearly want me to tell you that a plane couldn't collapse the buildings, but they did.
It's that simple.


Like i said Einstein, the buildings were designed and built to withstand the force of a plane crashing into the building. The designers even built them to withstand the ensuring fires that might have been present from a fully loaded plane. Do i need to point this out again?

DBD
Primeval
QUOTE(An Urban Legend @ Jun 24 2007, 05:39 PM) *



Wow not even an official site, no wonder.
An Urban Legend
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 24 2007, 04:40 PM) *
Alright than, i don't know what your trying to prove but your making yourself look really dumb. Your being disrespectful to your Troops, your president
(who you voted for), and the victims of 9/11.
Im making myself look dumb by picking apart your ignorant arguments? laugh.gif Man, you are hilarious........and actually I didnt vote for Bush, I dont know where you got that assertion from.
An Urban Legend
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 24 2007, 04:43 PM) *
Wow not even an official site, no wonder.
Oh it official, check the stats scarecrow. And while your at it follow the yellow brink road to the wizards castle so you can claim you prize.
Death B4 Dishonour
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 25 2007, 12:40 AM) *
Alright than, i don't know what your trying to prove but your making yourself look really dumb. Your being disrespectful to your Troops, your president
(who you voted for), and the victims of 9/11.


Actually your making yourself un-patriotic by not questioning certain aspects of what happened on 9/11 which have NOT BEEN ANSWERED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

The WTC7 collapse was not even mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. And why didnt the 9/11 Commission investigate the numerous explosions heard on that day.

The Victims families are even in support of the 9/11 Truth Movement EINSTEIN.

DBD
luis9343
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 24 2007, 05:40 PM) *
Alright than, i don't know what your trying to prove but your making yourself look really dumb. Your being disrespectful to your Troops, your president
(who you voted for), and the victims of 9/11.


I am respectful to those who deserve respect by their actions, not because someone in a high position of authority. I think being respectful to the troops is trying to save their lives, so i don't understand you, again. Do you think for yourself at all? Do you question anything in life?

Sorry this is the last time i respond to one of your comments.
An Urban Legend
As for you puppet journalists who spew fiction as fact
And bury lies Bush told to invade Iraq
and Afghanistan you're a part of the scam
That allows the carnage of child woman and man
The 9/11 commissions rendition of truth is fiction
Tower 7 ain't mentioned why the omission
Of it's controlled demolition, Silverstone said "pull it"
There's more spin on your book than that magic bullet
>From Pennsylvania to the lawn of the Pentagon,
The con's on, you sent pawns with fangs drawn like pythons
And spawned another Saigon for cash
Oil profits soar as rockets crash
It was a high rise genocide, planed from the inside
NORAD let it fly
Bush-Qaeda, ISI
CIA, FBI
Got the world terrorized,
your lies don't justify globalize homicide................
Primeval
Theres no point in arguing with people who think they are unconditionally right.
believe what you want, your Americans its your right, and your government will do whatever it takes to defend that right.
Tiggs
Ahem.

As this thread's original post doesn't cover anything that hasn't been covered several times before in other 9/11 threads and the fact it just appears to be one long and inglorious flamefest, I'm closing it.

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