hey everyone! I live to far away to possibly join your investigation but I think I might be able to contribute something anyway. If you have any pictures that you need lightened, darkened, contrast adjustments, or the like, send them to me and I'll fix them and resend them to you so you can post them in the threads. Just send me a pm through UM what you need done (I can't do it all though) and I'll give you my email address. Good luck, BE SAFE and have fun!

Thank you Munchkin, that's very sweet of you to offer. I may take you up on it. We're meeting tomorrow night to discuss the investigation. The actual investigation will be taking place within the next 2 weeks. Too bad you're too far to join us .

Great point. We'll stick to our original game plan as you and I have already discussed.

Why do I have to be all the way up here in Portland? Damn! I always miss out on the good stuff!

Just keep me posted is all I ask!

Oh Oh - well keep safe!

Been out there many, many times ( grew up in Spring) and I never saw anything out of the ordinary. Of course, I've never looked for anything either so maybe I just missed it. I'm pretty sure I've been to the referenced theater if it's the one directly east of 59 in the shopping center there. There are a few areas that, when I think back, I remember being creeped out by. If you're on 1960 and pass over 59 (going east) and then pass the shopping center I believe there's a light where you can take a right turn. There is a residential area back there with big open spaces and lots of chain link fence that was creepy for some reason. Also, on the opposite side of the freeway (behind Target) and on the other side of business 1960 there are some woodsy areas that I remember being uneasy driving through on an occasion or two.

I'd be interested to see what you all come up with. If nothing else look at the old buildings in downtown Humble. The white bank building is architecturally very neat. There's a model train store in town too that's in a neat old building.

I'd go with you but I have a bum leg and would probably hold you up more than anything.

Howdy. Have been reading this thread for awhile now and find it interesting. I lived in Houston for awhile when I worked for the KATY railroad. I've been by the spot you're talking about but had no idea of its history. Additionally, I have several friends and relatives in the area.

I have to caution you. It is no good to go alone, but if y'all go in a group as big as the one listed, you are asking for trouble. A group that big is just too visible. Five to ten would be optimal. EVERY member of the group should have a GOOD flashlight. The LED's aren't the best, but they are very good and are much more conserving of batteries than the 6v camera-battery outfits are. I would carry one of each myself and a backup for the 6v. Carry a good Swiss Army knife also. Wenger and Victorinox both make good ones.

Be careful.

The area your talking about is loaded with Wild boars in the woods. There have been cases where people were chased after jogging through the area. They sent trappers hired by walmart in one occasion and pulled out twenty hogs in one day. The road is actually called townsend heading towards Sams and Walmart. I take this route as a short cut instead of travelling on 1960. I just hope that I don't get stuck in the middle of the night. I also viewed from old postings that red glowing eyes were seen in the overpass area. I did my own research and found that animals will glow red eyes if certain lights are aimed at it. I have actually spotlighted the woods near Atascocita and saw several deers with glowings red eyes. This might explain certain sightings to this issue but then again, there is the issue surrounding glowing figures and orb shapes. We just have to wait and see.

Howdy. Have been reading this thread for awhile now and find it interesting. I lived in Houston for awhile when I worked for the KATY railroad. I've been by the spot you're talking about but had no idea of its history. Additionally, I have several friends and relatives in the area.

I have to caution you. It is no good to go alone, but if y'all go in a group as big as the one listed, you are asking for trouble. A group that big is just too visible. Five to ten would be optimal. EVERY member of the group should have a GOOD flashlight. The LED's aren't the best, but they are very good and are much more conserving of batteries than the 6v camera-battery outfits are. I would carry one of each myself and a backup for the 6v. Carry a good Swiss Army knife also. Wenger and Victorinox both make good ones.

Be careful.

You worked for the MKT huh?...cool. If you're referring to the list NME posted, that was just a list of invites sent to people known to be from Houston. Not many have expressed serious interest in joining us, so our group will be pretty small.

Thank you for your advice/tips, I appreciate it. We'll probably have something a little more powerful than a Swiss Army knife though .

[quote name='tonecop45' date='Oct 4 2006, 11:04 AM' post='1376986']
The area your talking about is loaded with Wild boars in the woods. There have been cases where people were chased after jogging through the area. They sent trappers hired by walmart in one occasion and pulled out twenty hogs in one day. The road is actually called townsend heading towards Sams and Walmart.

They are nothing more than hogs. Not boars. Boars are much more dangerous, and are not in the area. Hogs on the other hand, its quite possible. The texas hogs will rarely attack people unless they are really close and startle them. Even then, most of the time they will run away. I am a hunter, and have encountered them all over texas, and thus far have never been attacked by them. The only case where one would attack would be if its rabbid, but its unlikely. Used to hunt those things with .22s out in west texas. But useually trapping them is the only way to get them, and the reason is, they run from people.

The only thing I would consider a potential danger out there would be other people, either liveing in the woods, people useing the woods for subversive tasks (that are probley illegal), and the such.

Townsend Bld is a long ways away from where the cemitary is. A good 1.25 miles away, if you get to it from 1960. There are alot of woods along townsend, and the area going twords walmart and sams borders Jesse Jones State Park (which is an excellent place to go running btw). That area has alot of deer and I would presume other wild life as well, includeing hogs and possibly coyote. Not so much where the cemitary is located, beacuse of the woods being heavely populated on all sides, and a RR track next to them as well.

If anyone has a lantern, such as one for floundering that has a directional light shield on it (I do, but I doubt I will be able to make the investigation at this point. Wont know till a day or so before it.

I hadn't seen this post yet. Y'all sound pretty well organized. Good luck. Watch out for them hogs. They can be mean.

Mr Tussuad,

I am also a hunter and have experienced many wild boar hog encounters. Some were pleasant and some were not. I can tell you that boar/hog encounters can go both ways depite the circumstances. Check this site out and tell me if boars/hogs do not charge.


http://media.putfile.com/charging-boar

You are correct about the types of hogs frequenting the area but boars have been seen as well. There are two types of swines lingering around the area of question. You got the feral hog which is a hybrid domestic and wild hog and the european/russian boars which is straight black. Check this site www.texasboars.com as many of the trappers have frequented the area in townsend.

Here is a picture of my wild boar which I shot in New Caney which is about several miles north of Humble. . I was told that this boar looks scary but imagine it alive and sprinting towards you.

I think the bums and crackheads will be the least of our worries....lol. Like I said, I'm going to stand BEHIND you.

Exactly how many people are going to do this?

It wouldn't have been sprinting towards you if you weren't hunting.

Hogs in Texas are a big problem in some place. At my friends lakehouse, the town offers rewards for killed cougars, and hogs come out and dig up the yards. Some have killed the landowners dogs. However, if dogs there are caught chasing the deers, the dogs will be shot.

A few months ago, I shot one in the backyard at the lakehouse. My buddies dragged it up to the back porch.... it took awhile to prep and clean, but the bbq pit served us well . One thing is for sure.... they are smart animals.

That is the thing, I was not hunting it. I was hunting something else and this boar got in the way. I was just walking in a trail and the next thing you know, it charged me. I am posting this because someone in the forum does not believe they frequent the area. I was just indicating that many red glare eyes in the dark are actually animals such as hogs or deers that frequent the area. I am not creating a controversy but an open mind and possible explaination. I did not want to post this picture but everyone needed to know that these animals share the same area as us here in this part.

Tonecop is right, that would explain all the red glowing eyes for sure.

At the lakehouse, we have cougars, so we learned quickly that red eyes meant deer or hog.... but green eyes are sometimes cougars. To get from one lakehouse to the other requires a quarter mile hike in the dark towards the neighbors. There is not light source for nearly 60 miles in the Brazos Valley area. When green eyes are seen, they said run. Many occassions, I have been stalked by the cougars.... and the old 1800's cemetery between our lakehouse to the next reminds me so. Many graves that belong to dead people says "killed by cougar" or " died when the horse buggy flipped from horses being spooked by the cougars"....

She's right, you shouldn't have posted it.


You made me hungry


A pulled pork BBQ sandwich and a cold beer sounds WAY too good right now!

Dang, now you made me hungry too!

They probably don't have any of that where you're at now....not like they do here anyway. Makes you wanna come back home quicker

"Jayeet yet? Ya'll keep the smoka goin', I'll be back down der in Texas soon."

The only thing I meant was that it is very very doubtful that they would frequent the area of the cemetary. I know they are north of there, and on the other side of 59 off of townsend. But where the cemetary is, it is not a very large area, and its surrounded by roads that are heavly developed. There is a very small probability that one would find its way into that area where the investigation will occur. Its just too populated right there, its in the middle of humble. About the only reason its not been developed is the land owners/cemetary being there, and the RR tracks are there.

The only way for anyhting like a hog to get there would be for it to walk along the RR tracks, unless it decides to cut accross 59 and through the best buy parking lot. There are woods south of there, near will clayton, but that is several miles and the RR tracks go rigth through down town humble, and to the north, there is the river, with no (very little, mostly constrution going on in them though) woods. East of there, its all residential.

Therefore, after considering the lay of the land, and the size of the woods there, I have come to the conclusion that the chances of finding a hog there are practically non-existant. I can post a satalite image if you wish, so you can validate what I said. Though, with the satalite image, its probley a few years old, so there are probley even less woods now than there was before. Beacuse thats what humans love to do, destroy woods.

Back when there were more woods in the area, im sure it was quite possible to see things like hogs there, but that patch of land is just too small in the middle of a town for anything to be there. All that you will find is squirls, coons, and other varments of the sort.

I know that they would not frequent the cemetary area but deers will sometime find it ways into the area. Deers will often travel along the rr and into the woods. You would see them foraging in the open fields. I too doubt that hogs will be in the cemetary but do believe that people have seen red eyes of a deer, racoon, and other varmints. You mentioned earlier in the post that there are no wild boars in the townsend area going towards Sams and walmart which is the reason why I provided a photo to dispel that belief. Believe me ask any locals around that area and they will tell you not to frequent that area at night as boars are nocturnal animals. To avoid the confusion the area that carnivale mentioned is north of the cemetary/1960 overpass which is five minutes away. This area is loaded with hogs which I was warning Carnivale to watch out for as many confrontations with joggers and people have occurred. The cemetary and 1960 overpass is in the middle of humble but the small patch of woods will hold some small wildlife. The hogs were a different issue with Carnivale concerning the townsend area. I hope I made some clarifications with you.

Not meaning to start a debate, but down on Beechnut and Eldridge where it is very busy, my friend owns a Paintball field, only 3 acres only, with 2 sides facing creeks. Just within this 3 acres, with have killed already a dozen hogs. I don't know where they are coming from.

My original statement:



we are both in agreement i guess. all i was trying to do was dispell that we needed to worry about hogs on the investigation, as that was what was incenuated that would be a concern. The geographical location of the investigation isnt likely to have that sort of wild life.

But, not for the first time, i was misunderstood in my intentions. lol. i dont spend alot of time on forums, even though I own three high population forums. Eh, no matter. I just didnt want anyone going there expecting to run into a hog when the chances of them finding a chest of gold are more likely considering the lay of the land.

Well dangit, I guess we'll just all have to settle for peanut butter and jelly.

There are rabbits and squirls there , would take a few more to = the amount of a hog, but you could make a meal

I don't think it's a good idea to run. It's likely to trigger a chase response, and you cannot outrun a cougar.

You might think about a hiking staff made of oak, hickory, or (like mine) maple. Even opening an umbrella has been known to deter cougars. Bear repellent carried in your hand-- not your belt-- might help.

That boar in the picture is huge! They have a lot of them in places you would never expect. Ha. They have a ton of them around Conroe. My fiance's family took in a stray great dane/hound of some sort mix and somehow she would kill them in the woods and drag them into their yard. So his yard always had gross pig heads and things all over it.
I don't think they would be that dangerous in the area of the 1960 overpass though. Even if there are some around they have probably learned that interacting with people is a potentially fatal idea and would go somewhere else. If the homeless people who live out there haven't been gored yet it's probably safe enough. Ha.

Christina

Im new, I live about 10 minutes away, I always go to Deerbrook Mall and Best Buy around there.

Just hearing this stuff today totally blew my mind.

It took me awhile to realise I had actually driven right by before, I couldnt believe it. Thanks to everyone who has shared their stories of the area.

Hi Christina,

The hogs in this part of Texas are very bold. I heard alot of problems with them in your area. I am not worried about hog in the Overpass area for the Investigation. I was just mentioning to another member about the woods located in Townsend where they do frequent in packs. I do believe that people were seeing racoons or deers in the cemetary when they mentioned about red glowing eyes. Let us know what you think.

Hi Astrofan,

I was the same way shocked after learning that I was passing by a potential area haunting for the last three years. I was even more shocked that bodies from this cemetary were dugged up and scattered into the forest. I am just learning that people want to invesitgate this and I am joining them to learn more about this issue. I will be honest as I am a skeptic. I have never in my life experienced any hauntings or simliar events. I have always tried to find ways to explain a possible haunting. An example would be sightings of red glowing eyes, which I explained it to be an animal such as a deer, hog, or raccoon. I am keepng an open mind as I hear interesting stories from people who experienced hauntings. Let me know what you think.

No harm intended, I was not trying to scare anyone but warn another member about the dangers lurking in the townsend area woods not the investigation site. We will just have to wait and see.

lol

From the reasearch I did, probley close to a year ago now (this thread is OLD. lol), the latest grave there was that of a WWII air corps person. Cant recall if he was a pilot or not, or rank, ect. The site is an afro-american cemetary, and dates back well into the 1800s. At one time I had found lan owners and all that for the area, and also alot of info on the graves there themselves, includeing descrptions of the area. If you look further back in the thread, you can probley find this information that I posted previously in my research. You might want to take a look at it, as it will help you know what to look for.

I am still uncertain as to my participatoin, ive been wanting to get out there for along time, just never the chance to, and right now, things are pretty hectic, so I dont know if I will be able to or not yet. I will endevor to try though.

Nice pig. I live up in Kansas and we've begun to have problems with wild hogs too. Even the feral kind can be dangerous. Sows with pigs or boars.

Thanks for the info and it will definately help us out. I heard the same thing that there is also a late 18th century afro-american cemetary in the area. I do want to know why are the relatives of these people buried in the site allowing the remains to be tossed into the forest. If I had a relative buried in a location, I would make it a habit to check on it on a regular basis. I would find it weird that nobody has claimed the remains of their loved ones.

It could be that they either dont know, or dont care. The cemetary, from some sources is a slave cemetary, that people from later generatoins were intered there as well. Personall,y I am more intersted in the historical aspect of the site, rather than the paranormal. Being an athiest, I am inherantly sceptical, ecept for events that i have experianced myself, and have no other explaination for. I have an open mind about the site, but even if there is paranormal activity, the history of the site facinates me more than the accual haunting itself.

Rumor has it that there are two cemeteries:

The African American Cemetery

and the.........

Confederate Cemetery

I drove around the area today, didnt go in the woods or anything though. Went around behind Best Buy(and saw the worlds biggest damn rat, was like a mutant, after watching it for a bit it took off back across the tracks). Checked out the area where the church was, which as people said is now a storage building, but a sign outside did still say "church parking".

I snapped some shots on my phone, but they really arent much, I want to go back with my digital camera.

Are they in plain sight of the railroad tracks? We had a good meeting last night and are ready to investigate.

Some pics I took today, I didnt have the balls to actually go into the woods or anything, so dont expect anything.


Dollar Theater




Ticket Window

Anyone here write that? lol (there is a ceiling panel removed just above me, so I guess thats how people get in)




Church Area





Church is gone.

Thank you for posting the pics AstroFan. We'll add them to the other information that we have gathered. The missing ceiling tile has been mentioned on a previous post.

I didn't realise that pigs roamed in the wild

I went though the whole thread. Pretty interesting stuff, wish everything like that happened near me. -_-;; I would like the true history of the church.

Some advice for you guys who are checking it out. Bring extra batteries, extra flashlights, cameras, something to defend yourselves, & the stuff you really need. OH! Walkie-talkies if you ever decided to split up. Also please be careful.

That's all.

Tonecop,
Yeah. They are bold. For years I really didn't think they were as bold as they were. Luckily I have never seen one alive up close. I've only seen the ones that my fiance's dog would kill. Very creepy! When his younger brother was playing paintball once he was chased by a pig though. Apparently he crawled into one of their runs because he curious what kind of animal made it. Well, curiousity killed the cat and now he knows a pig run when he sees one.
I don't know if I could handle hunting them. That noise that wounded pigs make gets under my skin. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. Ha.
That's a smart idea about the glowing eyes being raccoons and things. Those little glowing eyes in the road are the only way I avoid running down opossums
Anvil,
I think I remember reading somewhere that pigs are one of the most prolific animals in the world. Wild pigs have pretty much invaded every part of the world. They're really smart and will find a way out of their enclosures and breed with the local boar population if there is one.

Those are really good pictures! It's great that someone got some.

Christina

Thanks Moonprincess,

We will be prepared for this investigation. I have all angles covered and planned all the necessities for this trip. If a situation arises, we do have the means to defend the group if trouble arises.

They're becoming more and more common anywhere the habitat to support them exists. The pig Tonecop killed is a Russian Boar. These are wild pigs that are very dangerous. They were stocked by local landowners and others who wanted to hunt them. Additionally, pigs go feral (wild) very easily. Hogs raised for meat escape from their pens or are turned out, again to hunt, on purpose. They quickly adapt to the wild life and over just a few generations can turn into the "razorbacks" that you see pics of sometimes or the mascot of Arkansas State Univ. Lastly, Texas has native pigs called "peccaries" or "javalinas". They are smaller but run in packs and can be dangerous also. In fact, they are probably as dangerous as a bobcat, whereas I would rank the Russian Boar up there with a Black Bear as to danger. The feral hogs would lie somewhere in between. I didn't see any reference to any of these in the posts. They are generally located in more desert areas. I have no idea if they have expanded their range to the Houston area or not.

I've been around hogs quite a bit. They are surprisingly quick and agile. As mentioned earlier, they are very intelligent. Very adaptable. Watch out around ANY hogs, wild or otherwise. The boars and sows with pigs are especially dangerous.