Throughout my time being here, I have come across a great many types of people; one-lining debunkers, skeptics, believers, etc etc etc. And, I began to think.. are humans really responsible for all things unidentifiable?.

I started a bit of research, and have noticed that UFOs have even been recorded in outer space, and upon entry to our atmosphere. When you think about the amount of reports each year, it's hard to suggest that every last one of them were the result of man. Surely there's a little more than man-made objects at work here. It even gets a little more suspicious when the Air Force/U.S. Military confirms unidentified craft...

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case263.htm

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case218.htm



Multiple individuals suggest that man-made unidentified craft sighted by government officials is the most plausible answer, and they believe that it was the case 100%. However, we haven't any conclusive evidence that states that man is responsible for all of the UFO sightings. Sure, a lot of them are man-made, but that doesn't mean that the government is responsible for all of them. Alot of them probably are, alot of them are probably caused by natural phenomena.. but what about those ones that not even gov. officials can explain? What about the sightings witnessed by Air Force officials/NASA?

Any conclusive evidence that man is not responsible for all the UFO sightings?

Not exactly. Although, objects have been recorded to accelerate from 0 - 5,000 mph in a matter of a few seconds.

Japan Airlines UFO Encounter

Here's a famous case that was presented by the Disclosure Project. I am very sure that these flying saucers were not ours.

Japan Airliner's UFO Encounter

The one UFO incident that has always seemed sus to me (I'm sure most people who watch UFO shows would recall it) was when an astronaut (?) mentioned how they're not actually allowed to discuss any objects seen in outer space, they have to ignore them. And there was footage of an astronaut working on a space station, and you see an object moving by in the background to his right, then you hear someone in the space station radio the astronaut and mention that there's an object behind him, but the astronaut doesn't even pause or turn to look, just says "I don't know what you're talking about," and the other person pauses and says something like, "oh right." I'm on the fence when it comes to visiting aliens, but if genuine, that footage is very good evidence of a cover-up imo (not proof, just evidence)

See, it's small things like that which render me suspicious towards the government.

Last night, I watched the Discovery Channel, which presented an experiment to prove or disprove that a Project Mogul could have been reponsible for the Roswell incident. Amongst those who were taking notes, were the Roswell believers Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman, and Roswell skeptics Joe Nickell and Dave Thomas.

The experimental personnel had assembled a 50% model of a Project Mogul balloon train complete with three rawin devices. The contraption was then send aloft and shot down with a gun. When the balloon train crashed to earth, measurements were taken and compared with the dimensions of the debris site as described by Mac Brazel and Jesse Marcel. The measurements on the experimental crash site didn't even come close to the revised description of Mac Brazel, much less that of Jesse Marcel, which was several hundred feet wide and 3/4 of a mile long. The experimental crash site was only 150 feet in diameter at the maximum, which proved beyond any doubt that no Mogul balloon train was responsible. What was also revealed was the hundreds of feet a string and other lines that were not evident in the photos, which were needed to assemble a typical Mogul balloon train.

The rawin devices in the experiment were not torn in the manner of the object in the Roswell photos and Mr. Maccabee pointed out that the torn debris in the Roswell photos didn't have any mud nor dirt on them and in fact, look like it was just taken out of a storage container, clean as can be. I have stated in the past that the torn remains looked like they were torn by hand as well.

Downed rawin devices looked like these rawin devices that were recovered by civilians.









But, I didn't need an experiment to convince me that no Mogul balloon train was responsible because the Air Force had already furnished me with information that proved that there was no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 launch on June 14, 1947. In other words, proof-positive that no Project Mogul balloon train was ever responsible for the Roswell incident.

I remember hearing about that. A book was published, it was roughly 500 pages. The gist of it was basically denying how it was a flying saucer that crashed. Why would the government publish a 500 page book to prove that it wasn't a "flying disc"?

The government will do anything to push ahead with a cover-up. It implied that a Mogul balloon train was responsible for the Roswell incident but never told the public that Mogul balloon trains were occasionally recovered by civilians for rewards nor that Mogul ballooon trains were not classified at all.

Last night on the Discovery Channel, Roswell skeptic, Joe Nickell, stated that Mogul balloons were classified, but that goes to show how far some Roswell debunkers are willing to go in order to distort the facts on the Roswell incident. He was the same person who once stated that it was Lt. Haut who took it upon himself to release the initial press release on the Roswell incident and that is what prompted me to send him an email years ago tellling him that Lt. Haut had no such authority to do such a thing. The responsibility was that of Colonel Blanchard, who issued the order for Lt. Haut to release the story that they had recovered a flying disk.

Goes to show that Roswell debunker Joe Nickell didn't do his homework on Project Mogul nor any of the issues relating to the Roswell incident.

Whilst there is no uneviquivocable evidence for this subject(it would take quite literaly a body of evidence for that)there is a great deal of credible circumstantial evidence from highly credible,highly trained professionals.
Scientists,academics,politicians and high ranking defense/military/NASA make up a great deal of the sworn eyewitness testimony and its worth stating that many are in a far better position than us to judge whether the subject has any validity(or not).
Its also worth pointing out that many people have been put to death under 'state sanctioned execution' for far less credible circumstantial evidence than this.
Radar/sonar correlation is also important as many objects have also been captured ,plotted and corellated on ground radar,air radar,sonar and gun camera film travelling huge speeds,executing right angle turns/immediate stops and displaying completely unprecedented aerial manouverability/flight characteristics.
Many 'debunker' explanations for these objects utterly lack objectivity,include glaring contradictions and completely disregard scientific evidence and eyewitness testimony -often they are are more about people attempting to shoehorn their own preconceived ideas onto events.
Lazy prejudice and hysterical cynicism are also rampant in debunker circles and it seems many are not sincerely interested in an impartial search for answers.
A great many incidents involving UFOs are still completely inexplicable and ,as Richard Dolan says," UFO debunkers have an awful lot of explaning to do".
Cheers Karl

Why do people say its fake when it isnt?

just looked at the tape and i think its real based on the accounts.

Wright-Patterson AFB

Something has been going on at Wright-Patterson AFB.

It is where Senator Barry Goldwater was turned down when He requested to see alien technology and other things relating to ET. Wright-Patterson AFB is where the Roswell debris was flown, according to military officials including the former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB. Wright-Patterson AFB is where a UFO was seen hovering and where an Air Force jet recorded that UFO via gun footage.

Wright-Patterson AFB is the base from where an aerial detactment was sent to Alaska to film UFOs in flight. According to Colonel Stevens, they were quite successful. Wright-Patterson AFB is where the Air Force's EOTS originated from in 1948, which concluded that some UFOs were "interplanetary spaceships." The Air Force's 1952 Intelligence report on UFO maneuvers pretty much came to the same conclusion as the EOTS. Wright-Patteson AFB is where General Arthur Exon stated that alien bodies and their vehicles were taken. He was also a former commander at Wright-Patterson AFB and the Air Force officer who overflew the Roswell area and confirmed two crash sites relating to the Roswell incident, not one.

Hangar-18

.....The rest that we don't have (or even laid eyes/hands on) are unfortunatley lost in time to our moral disgreements, destroyed by our secretive government, etc.

I honestly hope you're not suggesting that the government is to be held responsible for all accounts of UFO sightings.

agreed