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I feel that it is important to get this idea out to people, to have them start to consider it. I am not sure how much time we all have before things get flipped upside down, but I don’t think its long, I hope that I am wrong. On that note, it would be of interest to some to listen to David Flynn’s reasoning for suggesting this July 4th 2007 may be a date of tremendous upheaval. It’s a little out there, but it's worth a look: http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=6044 (more David Flynn on Google video)

I have been a diehard conspiracy theorist for as long as I can remember. I mention this so you will know that I have heard many different theories and considered many scenarios. I have tried to keep an open mind about issues as important as the ones I will be discussing here.
My primary concern today is the recent acceptance by people of the belief that aliens in whatever form, have genetically seeded the human race. While I don’t have a problem with this conclusion per se, it’s the means of coming to it, and the unethical advertising by its proponents that concerns me. One of the means I speak of is the work of Zechariah Sitchin. I am dismayed at how little it is known that his translations and work has been thoroughly discredited by the people in the field in which he claims to be a part of. This would be almost trivial until you start to look at his specific “mistakes” and when you do a more malicious intent threatens to emerge, I encourage everyone who currently believes the “aliens seeded man” theory of Tsarion or Sitchin to go to http://sitchiniswrong.com You will be surprised what is not known about Sitchin. I also like to point out for all the hopeless conspiracy theorist like me out there that Sitchin was implicated by Arizona wilder as being involved in the "illuminated" blood rituals that she claimed to be a part of. (she said his “job” was to misinform) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1289338414420676723

(note: Sitchins "Niburu", or something like it, may very well be real, and may even be returning to cause problems, see this: http://www.mt.net/~watcher/stones.html the truth may be worse than the half truth however.

I have thought about the implications of what this could mean for a long time why the groups with all the power in the shadows want us to think this way, I have come to a conclusion, and it is an unusual, but logical one. Many postulate that the “aliens” have made some type of agreement with governments, I agree with them for the most part, It is nothing new in fact, the idea of 4 plus dimensional beings dazzling us with their “gnosis ” and striking deals with the “kingship” is old school. In fact I think if ancient history is read between the lines a little, you can see these bargains all over its pages, much of what our ancestors gave in exchange however was sacrificial worship, not the authority to torture. I disagree with what they are telling us they are. I see plenty of reasons to suggest something other that their story, and have very little reason to take their word for it ( I will go into the data on this) It is especially concerning to me that their story so perfectly fits in with the “New World Order’s” plan for a world government and particularly a world religion. And how their “free energy technology” will mostly save us from a the promulgated fear of “global warming.”

Before I can go into too much, I should describe my view on what might be happening with these “aliens.” I do not, as you may be thinking by now, relegate this simply to the demonic realm, Its much more complicated that this, and again. It is its complexity that has kept it hidden from being widely known I think. I think people should fully understand this idea or theory that Im about to present, and keep it in their toolbox, even if they choose to disregard it. Here it is http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/ also here is an audio link if you would like: http://www.khouse.org/6640/BP052/ there are many sources for this theory, I have chosen this particular source because of its references and the integrity of the author, but I would also encourage people to check out some video from the “Ancient of Days” conferences on google video, you will see some that this is not simply a fringe view point, but that it stands up to scholastic scrutiny, both of the secular and spiritual kind. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ancientofdays.net

I know what I am about to suggest is seriously unpopular with every group involved, but there is reproducible evidence that needs to be at least considered.

Its the unwanted piece of the alien abduction puzzle because its too crazy for most Christians, and too Christian for Uflology. And as such , its a perfect hiding spot for some kind of truth, If taken with a grain of salt this is something of a smoking gun. The following is a site that the collective people have counseled nearly 300 abduction cases. They are MUFON folks so they are very scientific in their data collection process. Before discounting these people read through the experiences here: http://aaccoa.org/testimonies.html please don’t let your pre conceived notions keep you from at least reviewing one of these peoples experiences.And remember, no one has ever claimed that abductions can be stopped, not people that believe they are real, not people that believe they are hallucinations, only the people I linked above have, time and time again, ended them, and saved people of all faiths and backgrounds from what can be described as trauma based mind control, although the experiences vary. The way that they stopped them is the smoking gun. What I noticed very clearly while reading through these and thinking about some other areas of recent study, is that there is a connection with military black ops, MKULTRA, ritualistic Satanism, abductions, and, I think, sleep paralysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis its interesting that the abduction/ MKULTRA/connection and that for some reason the authority to be given over to these beings can be granted by the persons family members. (or government?)
Note: after interviewing and studying mind control victims I am becoming more aware that the trauma based mind control, or at least,part of it, is a systematic process for implanting a spiritual being. I am willing to be proven wrong on this point because it’s not a solid theory on my part. It may be that only some can be described in this way. It may be that there is no connection.

Like most of you I don’t like being told what to think especially if Im being lied to as a means to get me to think they way they want. With that in mind, look at the data concerning a topic that most in the conspiracy realm believe without question, I cant tell you how often I have heard this bit explained to me as the “facts”, here again, Im not opposed to any outcome, but lets not simply make things up, especially when it is done to impose a dogma on another person. Please view the following when you have time:

I am tired of hearing and reading researchers talking about the similarities of Jesus and Horus or Quetzalcoatl, Kirishna, Virishna, Buddha, Zoraster, Mithras or any of the other 80 or so such deities. They speak of it like it is such old news, when, in fact, anyone who has ever scratched the surface researching these claims, almost immediately finds them to be simply wrong, or in some cases, like David Ickes “Virishna” (pg. 89 of The Biggest Secret) wholly unsubstantiated.

This site handles the major deities and does so with tremendous references.
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

The above site doesn’t go into Quetzalcoatl very deeply, because of the obvious problem with Christianity being influenced by something from The “New World” not being technically feasible. I however, am quite the conspiracy theorist, and will give the benefit of the doubt to the two hemisphere’s having pre-columbian connections, so here is a thorough debunking on the Quetzalcoatl /Jesus similarities from another source:
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/quetz.html

I like the next site because no stone is left unturned in his search for more and more “Christ myths deities” to debunk, he has about 80 claims looked in to here:
http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

Now for David Icke’s “Virishna” I wish there was more information to go on, but there is no such deity, at least in our earth’s currently verifiable history. It appears when Mr Icke parroted Tim C. Leedom’s “The book your church doesn’t want you to read” he apparently didn’t bother with fact checking. Here is one account of the hunt for Virishna from an earlier source:
http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusVirishna.html

The fact remains however that much like Dan Browns “Da Vinci Code” even though thoroughly debunked the concepts remain widely believed by those who WANT to hear it, and when these lies are sprinkled in with truths about the New World Order, the illuminati, and the coming world police state, it give credence where none is deserved to this notion. This principal is used by Icke, and Michael Tsarion and many other people as well. I feel that the people taking over this planet know that certain truths coming out is an inevitability and so they guide you by using the information itself into at least disbelieving Christianity (which, in this writers opinion is the one thing that would give us authority over these Satanists)

Yes, I know, the catholic church very well may be terribly evil, It stands to reason that that is where evil would want to set up shop. but lets please stop using its occultic based rituals to prove anything about Christianities founder. Yes, the “church” does seem to be used as a control mechanism…to control your perception of chritianity. And discrediting “the way” with its malicious BS. It seems so obvious.
Jesus was one of the most anti-religious people that ever walked the earth
He had compassion for every low down person he came into contact with, except for the “clergy” of his day. They were the only people he ever spoke a harsh word to..maby a few money changers too..

Thanks for listening to my crazy Christian propaganda, I only did this because I felt the whole world is falling for this and I feel we have run out of time. I will leave you with a quote from one of my favorite authors. And I ask that if you feel there may be “something to this” Forward it to someone you care about. Or don’t care about, whoever. I will pray that God will soften some hearts out there because the Deception is almost upon us.

C.S. Lewis, a popular British theologian:, "I am trying here to
prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about
Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't
accept His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man
who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a
great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with the
man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell.
You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or
else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can
spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call
Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about
His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did
not intend to."
Lord Umbarger
I'm not really sure what you're getting at here.
REBEL
I think i see where your going with this CC, your trying to connect and or tie in NWO/Illuminati - UFOs/Extratesticals-Mind Control with Icke and his Reptillians all mixed in with Sitchin's The Ancients Astronauts theories and the worst and most sinister one of them all....Religion. That link for alien seeded man actually contradicts Sitchin's theories.
I think you got all your links mixed up, maybe just trying to bite off more than you can chew here.


Later.
jaylemurph
QUOTE(Lord Umbarger @ Jun 26 2007, 07:51 PM) *
I'm not really sure what you're getting at here.


Cogency and reason have never been integral parts of CT.

...and what about 4 July being a being a "day of great upheaval"? That sort of got ignored by the OP.

--Jaylemurph
Lord Umbarger
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4 July being a "day of great upheaval"?
I thought that it was supposed to be 23 December, 2012? Or was that February 31? I get those mixed up.


February 31, it still kills me that people don't catch that right off.
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