the really sad part ? is that there are people out there that actually may believe that crap is real.

aside from the Apollo 20 - there is rust on the panel at about 5 seconds on the lower left of the screen.

I know some of what they sent up was rickety but they weren't rust buckets .

U know I would really like to meet you and Lilly some time for coffee. That would be such an honor - I've grown to appreciat you and Lilly on so many different levels, including that you put up w/my humor...

MID - boy do we have her fooled!

That is really probably the most disturbing part of all of this - that people actually think this happened or could have happened. They didn't even have the first thoughts of doubt and to check it out....

This applys to Emma Acid,

If posting a comment on this post was 5 mins waste of your life, then why did u take the liberty of doing so?

Im really getting fed up with your attitude.

How do you post a picture on this website...I have something interesting.

Create an account in www.photobucket.com then after you upload there, the site gives you 4 option for post your images. Use the last option.

PS. Before, better read forum rules for size of images, etc. We don't want you messing the forum with big images!!!

MID and JJ, sorry to say this but you guys aren't adding anything of interesting to the thread with those comments just above. Thought I agreed this is nothing more than a HOAX, I don't think we should transform the thread into a chat room. Let Dcman post what he tihnk and has to show to us.

still trying to determine if this is natural or not.

I think its natural. I take a look at it, raised its resulotion and size in PS, sharpened a bit and could not see anything like a pace craft. It's probably a boulder or lose rock there, nothing more.

To ascertain its size, we have to determine the elevation of the flyby and its relative positioning between the crosshair grids...1 to 2 miles long? I don't think it is a boulder or a rock that big, perhaps a meteor, as its points are rather sharp and one side is elevated off the surface. But if it is a meteor, it would have left a huge crater on impact like all the other meteor impacts...lots of craters on the moon, why didn't this leave one? It's very curious. I guess if you are a UFO buff you might consider it a crashed vehicle of some sort...and it very well may be. It sits unnaturally in its surroundings, meaning it doesn't blend in like everything else around it. I'll search for more NASA pics of this flyby on the dark side of the moon that may be more explanative. If it is a crashed vehicle of some sort, it didn't just happen and would explain why it doesn't look like a craft to you when you PS it...lots of dust and debris on it accumulated for milliards of years perhaps. I'm in touch with a retired engineer who used to analize pictures like these for NASA...still waiting for this person to reply...he says he will, so I'll wait and see what he says.

Ahoy Harte, good to run into you again. Now, to the thread:

There was no Apollo 20. The mission was scrubbed. A moon launch that nobady knows about? It would be impossible to launch a Saturn 5 rocket without people knowing about it. They tend to make just a little noise. I really don’t think this is at all real. By the way, what are the “we never landed on the moon” people saying about this film?

The NASA pics are real from a previous Apollo mission flyby of the dark side of the moon, the question is what is that thing in the crater? A natural outcopping or crashed meteor with strange lighting making it appear like a crashed vehicle, or is it a crashed vehicle of some sort?

Okay this just in. I asked a former engineer for NASA and this is what he said:

"Ok. There are several factors contributing to the object. Let me explain. First, the image is lighted from the top at an angle of about 20 degrees from the left of center. Note that if you allow your mind to think that the light is from the bottom of the image, all the craters appear to be bubbles rather than depressions. Second, the cratering in this region is significant in that there are craters on craters with some small craters on crater walls of older ones. Third, the complete set of images, containing your object, start at 1033 and go to 1041(just up date the last digit of the url),(If you save these images to a folder and use M/S photoeditor like I did you can make a very short movie of the fly-by). In image 1041 your object is at the very bottom of the image, near the edge of the frame. This frame places the camera almost directly over the object. Fourth the center of interest in this series of images, for NASA, is the landing site, thus your object is imaged from almost overhead and not centered. Fifth, the moon is much smaller that the earth and its surface sphericity is severe. Therefore, your point of interest is, in effect, rotating toward the camera as the lander moves toward the landing site. Sixth, most of these images from this time are taken on film of an scene that provides extreme contrast. Thus, the eye is overloaded with information causing some objects to appear round when they are flat or only slightly curved. (Just like paintings that look 3-dimensional; lighting is very important for interpretation)
Taking all this into account, I think your object is a ledge on the outer and sun-ward side of a rim of a crater that has been penetrated by several other impacts. The curvature of the crater rim and lighting gives the impression of pointed ends and rounding. This is way too much fun. I usually get distracted by all the other stuff in the series of images."

There you go...take or leave it.

I highly doubt its a meteor as you already said its unlikely cause there is no sign of crater or impact.

But, just cause I believe in UFOs, doesn’t mean that everything I see out of the common is an alien space ship.

There are things in nature that makes you wonder, there are boulders really big and you must consider that you are looking to an “alien” world. The moon is not the Earth, it has its features and they can be quite impressive and different from stones, boulders we see here on Earth.

I also doubt , that if this was indeed a space ship, NASA would just leave the images there for everyone take a look and start a fuss over it.

I will wait for your friend’s opinion on the image. But I doubt he will convince us through the forums. We need real good analysis of this “object” and personally, I think we need more than one opinion/point of view. 3 or 4 experts at least and cross their ideas and see what we got.

Until there, I stick with big rock idea!

Ok, this is funny and I already know the answer before you give it. Care to give us the name of this "former NASA Engineer"?? So we can validate this "quote".....???

Not a chance.

Like many here and other places we use handles for indentity, and I will never disclose who I am, as I am sure you will not disclose who you are.

Which is exactly what I expected - sigh............. So much for crediblity and/or validity. U just washed it all away.....

Well, the Not a chance pratically said its a boulder!

Meh! I will disclose myself; I am Andre L. Gurtovoi, work for Komatsu do Brasil, engineering department and publications. I am designer and I love UM.

Wow, I'm impressed...you're smart and artistic too!

I'm rather jealous as I'm not all that artistic (and some would probably say not all that smart either...but I try!).

Thank you! I am not that smart. I wish I could be more lucky so I could win the Lottery. Its in 34 millions right now.

I bet you are pretty smart!

Sheesh, I think I'm going into sugar shock...lol...get a room already!!

Nah, Feanor is far too young for me, I just appreciate his artistic talent.

BTW, do we really have to be *nasty* all the time around here?

I see you have nothing more than arrogant and childish comments or ridiculous posts to make!
I can't remember repplying like this to your posts.

Pfft.

The longer you hang around this forum, the more you will realize that on occassion, Jj and I, and Lilly, relieve the frustration with a little banter like this. I also think that Dcman can post whatever picture he would like---we're certainly not prohibiting that.

We know the video is a hoax, yes...agreed.

First of all, the picture you posted was already linked.
It's one of the Apollo 15 metric mapping camera images. This one appears to be a crop of AS15-M-1037, taken from an altitude of ~ 73 SM, 74 degree field of view, showing, in the full frame, ~ 200 SM miles from end to end. The sun's angle was 29 degrees at this point on REV 33, it's direction from the top left side of the frame, as indicated.

What you're correspondent says about it is essentially correct. You're looking at a landform, which is ~3-4 SM long, and appears to be inside of a crater body, running along the western wall. It might be a ledge, it might be the result of a landslide due to a secondary impact, etc., etc. That it is natural is a virtual certainty. But the exact nature of what it is will have to wait for future exploration and detailed studies under various lighting condition from high resolution camera equipment.

One thing is also rather certain; there's absolutely nothing in the frame to indicate that it's anything but somewhat unusually shaped.

Aw shucks, Jj.
Ditto here, my friend!





Something deep inside tells me we only THINK we have her fooled!

You can fool some of the people some of the time.
You can't fool all of the people all of the time.
And I don't think you can fool Lilly anytime!

Looks like an alien sports cr to me. If some has already raised this, please gimme the link plz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs

Apollo...20? I think the title of the video alone tells you all you need to know.

Looks like maybe some kids did that as a project - reading the youtube comments tells alot

Oh goody, another thread about the fake Apollo 20 video. I will merge it with the others.

This fellow has gone to a lot of trouble to do this. I have to ask the question why?

To get hits on his webpage - to get attention and cause other to create threads (multiple times) like this one.... sigh.........

Anyone know what this is from?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs

Start watching at 3 minutes.

This has been throughly debunked quite recently. About a fortnight ago actually. For a start, there was no Apollo 20. The Apollo missions ended on 17 (or 16, can't remember). Its old footage from a previous mission.

It would be helpful if you researched something before posting it.

the last was Apollo 17...

Come on now. That's just what they want you to believe.
Don't you remember Mars Probe 7 or XK-5 Deep Space Mission?

Oh wait. That's Doctor Who...

--Jaylemurph

Can someone explain?
http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb

He is a retired astronaut from the classified mission Apollo 20 to the moon to research a found alien ship. They found a city as well!!!
He just released these april 2007

Apollo 18, 19, 20 and 21 were canceled...

..or is that what they WANT you to think?!?

Too damn true

Honestly guys - how can u replicate such a damn feat... videotape another voyage to the moon? There is even video evidence of the launch from earth...

So, now we question ourselves... have we been to mars yet? I believe we have proof, video proof.

That makes me wonder too... why is there no video cameras on the rovers???

That video is crap. Come on.

I am, once again, going to merge this with the existing topic on this subject.

Are we honestly ignoring everything pointed out about this rubbish and going there again?

There never was an astronaut named Rutledge, or Snyder.
There was no Apollo 20 (nor 18, or 19).
There never was an Apollo 21 even planned....

This entire thing is a fake (and a really poor one at that)...the launch footage is of a Saturn V, with Neil Armstrong's call outs from Apollo 11 imposed on it. It's ludicrous.
The explanation of this is that it's some moron's idea of having a little fun and playing with the gullibility of a generation that knows little if anything about the space program.

[quote name='MID' date='Nov 9 2007, 06:26 PM' post='1976825']
Are we honestly ignoring everything pointed out about this rubbish and going there again?

There never was an astronaut named Rutledge, or Snyder.
There was no Apollo 20 (nor 18, or 19).
There never was an Apollo 21 even planned....

This entire thing is a fake (and a really poor one at that)...the launch footage is of a Saturn V, with Neil Armstrong's call outs from Apollo 11 imposed on it. It's ludicrous.
The explanation of this is that it's some moron's idea of having a little fun and playing with the gullibility of a generation that knows little if anything about the space program


Yes inded..a huge fake. Plus, don't you think more than a few folks would have noticed a Saturn 5 blasting off from Florida in 1976? No wonder the UFO subject encounters such difficultly in acquiring serious discussion. It's because of stuff like this out there. It's frustrating..and I'm a believer in UFO's.

It's this type of information that watersdown an already bogus topic...

Yes, scudbuster, just a few would've noted it (it is really big, is visible for miles around, and makes a huge noise that is heard, and felt for miles as well).

Besides, by 1976, we had no fully assembled Saturn V rocket. The last one left KSC on 14 May 1973, and carried Skylab aloft. Stages of the remaining two flight articles had been used for Skylab backups, and other flight stages had been designated for various NASA facilities as display items.

There were no manned space launches in 1976, and we wouldn't have any for another 5 years.