has any one else seen this http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/bulbs.html

There's an active thread on this right now. Most people here think it's fake. I think it happens to be a rock that just looks like a spaceship.

I don't see it.

One word, Pareidolia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

A well known psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant.

It's already been discussed. The youtube video is a fake...a fabricated "Apollo 20" video clip which never existed (there was no Apollo 20...).


Youtube is not a good source for much of anytrhing, folks....

Yes, Haz....that too!

Ok... I was taking a look at some sites this morning as I usually do when I came across a link to some youtube vid. This vid shows some sort of ancient craft on the moon, landed or crashed there. It states that several Apollo missions filmed it.

Anybody heard about this before? Is this another hoax or the images are real?

Find below the youtube link and some pics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs

He provides a link to the NASA strip it supposedly came from (bottom picture).
If this is actually from a NASA strip and this is what shows up when it's blown up.....Well that would be strange


EDIT :
The image in the strip photo is real i traced it through the Apollo Images album on NASA.But gets blurred when you enlarge it ,so hard to make out any detail.
The next thing would be to see if the craters in the video match the craters in the strip photo image ?.
I havent got youtube in work so i'll have to leave it someone to figure this out.


Feanor......I note you're from Brazil ? Whats the buzz on Jan Val Ellam and his failed prophecy.
Has he given any explanation as to why the Contact never happened as he predicted ?

As someone stated on youtube in the comments. There was no Apollo 20! Instafake!

LOL, a new twist on the Moon hoax theory, not only did Apollo go to the Moon, they went more times than officially claimed...

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People can argue with you that, due to the nature of the Apollo 20 mission, its flight might have been kept secret.

Indeed, that was what I first what I thought. Could it be some misspellig?

Well, Bogeyman, I hope you are not a fan of him, because all that came in mind when I think of Val Ellam is that he’s a nutcase. He could never prove anything, to say the truth, ppl barely knows him here...

I am sorry I can't be of further help to you, but if I find something, I send you via PM.

Regards,

I know that this object is purported to be on the far side of the moon, and out of reach of earth based telescopes etc, but is it possible to see human artifacts on the nearside surface using telescopes? LEM platforms, probes, buggies etc? Even a modest pair of binocs can distinguish crater detail on the surface with ease, just wondering about the capacity of more powerful telescopes etc.

The video looks fake to me, the whiteout/over-exposure just before the "craft" becomes visable it a tell-tale giveaway imo. interesting vid though

HUH? An Saturn V rocket launch "Hidden".... I think not - that would be too big a rocket to 'hide' let alone the launch.... unless well if maybe, sorta kinda launched at the North or South Pole... a BIG MAYBE..... This would just be a "tad" stretch for a conspiracy - I think even most conspiracy theorist would shy away from this 'one'....

Thanks Feanor

I'm just curious as to what his excuse is....I tried to find my way around this site here www.ufo.com.br to see what he may have said but i couldnt manage the language. I'm not a fan but his claims went out all over the world ,on all forums like this and when i looked him up he seemed to have "form" having written 15 books on the subject....I'm curious as to why he went out on a limb with such specific timings...
Anyhoo ...back to topic
Bogey

Here is a fun little investigation 'tip'.
Did anyone bother to check the Apollo 11 - 17 film footage of their respective landings and notice that this 'landing footage' is actually from one of those?

Yes it is - anyone tell me which one?? Seeing if anyone else did some 'homework'.

Could anyone explain why the video has a blue screen just after the start with Apollo 11 mission details (time/date)?

Just wondering...

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HUH? An Saturn V rocket launch "Hidden".... I think not - that would be too big a rocket to 'hide' let alone the launch.... unless well if maybe, sorta kinda launched at the North or South Pole... a BIG MAYBE..... This would just be a "tad" stretch for a conspiracy - I think even most conspiracy theorist would shy away from this 'one'....
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Im not saying it was. Im just saying, the explenation fits in with the conspiracy.

I don't know, If I was the person filming that thing {[(IF ITS REAL)]} I would be shaking... Though I don't know if in the moon something can shake.

Anyway, I think its another hoax, and that thing in the pic from NASA, it looks different to me from the one on the vid. Though NASA probably would do some "brush work" on the image before releasing it if there’s something there!

this is a model shot.

on a track camera.

its reeli not hard to do

i'm with you, I want to see the moon junk yard from land based telescopes. Can it be done? I'd think it could.

The problems that occure with this would, I think, be the high speed of the moon's movement relative to the Earth. At the zoom you would need to show such detail, the movement will most likely blurr the image.

This debris is part of another moon mission? Which one? What is it? I have enough homework to do from school. Im not doing anymore work than I must.

Unfortunately, bowlgun, no, it cannot be done. There is no land, or space based telescope with the resolving capability to image artifacts on the moon which are no larger than a few meters across from a distance of a couple hundred thousand miles.

That blue screen was taken from Goldstone transmissions of video from Apollo 11 on July 17, 1969....it's just one of those official looking things that the creators of this fabricated video took...undoubtedly from a youtube clip, to make it look somewhat authentic...they also took a snippet of DAC test film from Apollo 11 and stuck it in there as well...



Just junk to try and make it look authentic while providing evidence of its obvious fabrication.

Ooohh, you're a tough one, Jj.

Actually, it appears to be orbital footage, taken from a LM (The LPD grid on the left LM window is a giveaway), which appears to be facing down and at about 90 left roll at the moment these pictures are taken (all of the landing footage was 16 MM film taken through the right window, which had no LPD on it. This appear to be video.).


I don't know which mission it's from, but I'd guess it's from a J-Mission (Apollo 15 through 17), since they're obviously passing over highland areas...

i dont know why, but that vid seems like someone filmed a little model or something actually.
i found no evidence yet of an apollo 20. only that there were planned apollo 18 19 and 20. but i dont think they ever got off the ground (literally). unless they were all kept quiet. however i dont think their vid captures would be out on youtube now. so who knows what this is. if its real or fake.


*and anyone inform me on any other info about apollo 18, 19, 20 if you have anything. thx *

No there was no Apollo 18 - 20. It stopped at 17. The funding got cut and they had to cancel all other programs to the moon. Congress was getting 'tight'... sigh.....

This video is a paste together job to promote a HOAX and they didn't even do a good job of it. Notice that they edited out pretty much ALL actual voice communications between the astronauts and ground control. They had to "paste" in voice TEXT, for a very obvious reason...

It does look as though the sun is reflecting off metal....hard to tell

Pretty much what Jj said. There were no Apollo 18 through 20 missions, unfortunately.They were indeed planned, but the Nixon budget cuts scrapped 20 in 1970, and by 1971, 19 and 18 were relegated to the "could've been" category--in favor of a highly reduced Apollo Applications program, which involved the three manned Skylab missions in 1973-1974, and ASTP, which flew in 1975, and of course, the Shuttle Program.

You might take note of that fancy APOLLO 20 patch.
There have never been astronauts named Snyder or Rutledge. Leonov of course there was only one of, Alexei, and he made his last flight on Soyuz 19, the ASTP mission in July of 1975.

There were also no manned spaceflights by any nation taking place in August of 1976.

This entire thing is a fake.

*BANGS HEAD AGAINST DESK*

No it isn't hard to tell!!! Haven't you read the above posts? Or do you just decide to completely ignore the facts that people have SHOWN that there were no apollo missions up to 20 and that the video is pasted together from other missions????? Why do you ignore all this?

I guess some people do not know what SARCASM is.... yes i have read the posts...obviously you did not read mine properly...."BANGS HEAD AGAINST METAL THING ON APPOLO 20 VIDEO".......

In the real images took there is something at the position they claim the "suposed craft" is, but I am sure its a boulder of some sort, if you get the original images from NASA and do some sharp on it, just a bit, you will notice that it dont have much detail like the video show to us, its just a big rock!

It is fun make believe though....

If such a thing did exist, why wouldn't NASA exploit it for all its worth? Their budgets would skyrocket.

DS -
It's not so much we don't know how to take a joke or 'sarcasm', as some of us have learned that certain people actually do believe this stuff and do more than just ponder it as 'real'. Since you are 'new' to the group - we've yet to get to know who you are and where you are coming from. BTW: A belated welcome.....

Thank you for the welcome. Although I have been here since last October. I do believe in the paranormal. Very much so. I wasn't responding to everyone on the post. Just the one below mine. Sorry if I offended.That wasn't my intention. I think I have been reading too many Colbert posts......

Hey dog soldier, relax buddy! I don't think anybody was offended... This is a forum and everyone has the right to show his opinion, of course we have to be polite and avoid some things, but sarcasm is not against any rule if used with coherence.

Regards,

ahh gotcha. thx man

You're most welcome.

Not sure if this is true or not, I was not there

it is interesting whether it is fact or fiction

I would not want to even begin to try to hoax this, lol, too much damn cover your ass work. It was added just 4 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs...ted&search=

It is fake. There was no apollo 20, and it looks so fake aswell.

hmmm..apollo 20 huh?

there was an Apollo 20 mission planned. There was no launch.

It is interesting to note that lights in the sky are deemed proof and any more detailed film is generally deemed too unbelievably revelant to be believed.

Some say it is a transformer

In any case folks, the notion that NASA has reported every space program/excursion is simply ridiculous

The Military does not. We know of the F-22, B2 And F-117 because the Air Force wants the world to know what toys it has, to counter any 'bright' ideas by some ruthless regime(Russia)

However, there are without a doubt things being worked on that we have no idea about. Not UFO's lol, but vehicles more capable than the above mentioned. The point is, it is highly likely that NASA has done its own 'secret' missions, and for what reason?

That video is about as cheesy as it gets. Its also been discussed and dismissed before.

I don't know about it being an*excuse me*alien space craft looked more like a unusual rock formation in the shape of a V2 rocket, but i loved those tracks and mounds...perfect for Moto X dirt bike riding.

A comment, responding to criticism, from this video's source, retiredafb:


I refuse to answer to any revisionist comment , the same type of comment that can be found on the "apollo hoax subjects". About apollo 20 cancellation, consider that nasa claimed that the lm-15 was destructed . A billion dollar LM put to scrap? I'm amazed how lie become truth when printed on a wikipedia page. I would like to have the proof of intelligence lifeform on earth sometimes.
I'm not active on newsgroups, i just put references sometimes, i read them a lot, but i'm sick of that.

My guess, just on style points, is that retiredafb's day job is as a Nigerian financial consultant.

How is it you can dismiss an argument, without reading it?

I entitled this thread 'entertaining'

Further that it is said to be a transformers promotion

Indeed, that I was not there so do not know for sure(General requirement for absolute certainty in most cases)

learn to read, or you will believe nothing, believe everything

Take a look at this, what do you guys make of it? i just found it while i was skimming videos. It first comes on at about 1:16.

what do you make of it?

link:
UFO on Moon

Check this, here is the full story, with additional details and photos:


'urL: http://www.dark-truth.blogspot.com/2007/06...in-1976-to.html

Pretty interesting stuff indeed, and that video and some of those photos are pretty detailed!