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Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(jpgr @ Jul 1 2007, 05:49 AM) *
b kind enough to take a british ex would ya,texas sounds ideal

LOL. It is. About as close as I'll ever get to heaven. Come check it out. Especially the females. They have to be worth the transatlantic flight. LOL.
jpgr
ha ha wink2.gif heaven was not wot i had in mind for this ex.stetsions cows oil fields the odd murdered president god 4bid the current one,and jr ewing.nope can't c heaven in that.
louie
No your not going to hell for other peoples actions.
F-16 Falcon
What really confuses me is this: they say that God forgives all, he loves his children, etc etc etc. However, if this is true, then how can a "Hell" exist? He forgives all, therefore, nobody would be going to Hell - it just sounds like something somebody made up to keep little children in line. I think the only reason somebody would go to Hell would be if they followed Satan's path, killed hundreds of people, and went against God completely. That's the only reason I could see somebody going to "Hell" for.
Star_girl
*Hugs* I am truely sorry about the outcome of your first two marriages. Maybe have a very long engagement for the next one? I am glad to hear though you have not given up on love original.gif

Anyhoo I think you were right to break up with them as they certainly did not deserve you. I do not think you are going to hell because you were not at fault, your family seems to have loyalty issues and until they have sorted themselves out maybe you should take a bit of a sabbatical from them...

When you send them that Christmas card wrap them up a NT Bible as well and tell them to read it...

Star
magic-meercat
Jesus wanted us to forgive each other and and jesus said there are certain situations where you do not have to live to gever forever for example " do not comiy adultery" - mathew 5:27-28 also you can divorce as it says in the bible also " anyone who divorces..."- mathew 5:31-32.
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(Star_girl @ Jul 2 2007, 07:45 AM) *
*Hugs* I am truely sorry about the outcome of your first two marriages. Maybe have a very long engagement for the next one? I am glad to hear though you have not given up on love original.gif

Anyhoo I think you were right to break up with them as they certainly did not deserve you. I do not think you are going to hell because you were not at fault, your family seems to have loyalty issues and until they have sorted themselves out maybe you should take a bit of a sabbatical from them...

When you send them that Christmas card wrap them up a NT Bible as well and tell them to read it...

Star

LOL. Y'all stop giving me bad ideas. That would be pretty funny, the heathen black sheep of the family sending out Bibles for Christmas.
I haven't given on love so much as I have given up on the fast ideas on fidelity and marriage (see my other thread in the community section devil.gif) I once had. The world simply didn't work like I expected and demanded it would.
I'm not saying if the right woman came along I wouldn't be faithful, or expect her to be, but something along those lines just seems distant right now. And the idea of ever even considering marriage again, just seems alien right now. I took a big leap the second time to do it, don't know if I have it in me to jump a third time. LOL. But then again, stay tuned. Things can always change with me. grin2.gif
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jun 28 2007, 07:02 AM) *
Hello boys and girls of UM.
Here's a fun little question I want to throw out for discussion:
My family is hyper religious, like 'frothing at the mouth and hitting me with Bibles' Christian, and think that since I was married and divorced by the time I was 19, that I am going to Hell. I did nothing to end the marriage, she cheated then left.
A few years later, I'm off at college, I get a Christmas card from my grandparents that said, and I can quote this: "Merry Christmas. Heard you have a girlfriend. Enjoy Hell."
And now, I'm fixing to get divorced for the second time. Same story, she cheated and left, too. Is it in the air around me or something? hmm.gif Anyway, I haven't heard from my extended family -- my Mom and Dad are actually cool with it, in fact they don't even care if I run around like a pimp on Cialis --on this situation yet, but Christmas ain't here.
So here's my question UMers. I know we all come from various religions, but I'm wondering who, if any, in the Christian community here agrees with my extended family. I'm well over caring where other people say I am going -- like my cousin told me, "If you're going to Hell, I'm going to Hell because you raised me, so I'll bring the stuff to make S'Mores." -- so I am not looking to start a fight (I promise to play nice with the Christians this once innocent.gif); I'm just wondering how my family can think this way. If you agree with them, please provide scripture or what have you to back up your claim. thumbsup.gif
So, fire away!

Blimey, it is a wonder they haven't brought a Priest around to your house and forced you to have an exorcism!!!

Personally, ignore all this "you will go to hell" rubbish, what do they know, they aren't actually living YOUR life. All very well for them to say "stick with it" etc etc, they are forgetting that in both marriages, your spouse broke the contract they had with you, therefore that makes the whole marriage null and void.

Scrub them off your Christmas card list, because I think they are living on a different planet and the stamp would cost too must to post!

Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Jul 3 2007, 10:32 AM) *
Blimey, it is a wonder they haven't brought a Priest around to your house and forced you to have an exorcism!!!

They actually did try that when I was 12 or 13. LOL.
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jul 4 2007, 08:33 AM) *
They actually did try that when I was 12 or 13. LOL.

For crying out loud, you should get them sectioned, they are obviously off their rockers angry.gif
randomhit10
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jul 3 2007, 11:58 AM) *
LOL. Y'all stop giving me bad ideas. That would be pretty funny, the heathen black sheep of the family sending out Bibles for Christmas.
I haven't given on love so much as I have given up on the fast ideas on fidelity and marriage (see my other thread in the community section devil.gif) I once had. The world simply didn't work like I expected and demanded it would.
I'm not saying if the right woman came along I wouldn't be faithful, or expect her to be, but something along those lines just seems distant right now. And the idea of ever even considering marriage again, just seems alien right now. I took a big leap the second time to do it, don't know if I have it in me to jump a third time. LOL. But then again, stay tuned. Things can always change with me. grin2.gif


jerry lee lewis had a song about this...it went something like this...

ain't nothin' in the world like a big eyed girl, make me act so funny, make me spend my money, make me feel real loose like a long neck goose,
ooooooooo..... i like it like that....

number three may already be on the way...lol

randomhit10

bootswithoutshoes
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jul 1 2007, 04:04 AM) *
Thanks, PA. I was actually waiting on you to answer this one, as you and Irish seem the most lucid of the Christians here.
And the two that I can tolerate the easiest, both of y'all are very calm and understanding about your faith. LOL. You're credits to the religion. thumbsup.gif
rofl.gif at the Christmas card idea. I am just evil enough to do that.
I'm aware of those verses. Which just makes it harder to understand my family's rejection of my search for happiness. I mean, I got jacked. Yes, I made vows twice and somewhere in what passes for my heart, I still believe them, even the ones I made to the first wife, but I got to move on, find some happiness. How does their religion twist them so badly that they cannot understand or even want their own nephew, cousin, grandson to be happy? It is just very depressing that my fidelity and search for happiness has divided my family to the point that I won't speak to any of my grandparents, most of my cousins, and all but one of my aunts.
I mean, by my wives cheating they have narrowed down my family and support group drastically. Thank God my friends and UM rock the proverbial Kasbah! LOL


Isn't it sad how religions 'twist' people? There are situations in the world where a woman who is raped is considered a sinner, and may be punished by her superiors, though she had no fault in the rape. I was told once by a neighbor/friend, of a certain ethnic background, that if his wife was ever raped he would leave her. To say the least, I was astounded, and we had quite a discussion/argument on the subject at the time.

I know that there are some reported rape cases where the woman actually was a willing participant in the sex act, but later decided to accuse her suitor of rape, for some reason. This does leave men somewhat helpless since rape cases are very hard, I would think, to disprove. Perhaps this is one area of society, in which women have a superior role to men - by that I mean the word of a woman holds more water in court in a rape case than the falsely accused man.

Sorry for wandering a bit away from the subject, but that mirrors my real life pattern of wandering in conversations.
KBA
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ Jun 28 2007, 06:02 AM) *
Hello boys and girls of UM.
Here's a fun little question I want to throw out for discussion:
My family is hyper religious, like 'frothing at the mouth and hitting me with Bibles' Christian, and think that since I was married and divorced by the time I was 19, that I am going to Hell. I did nothing to end the marriage, she cheated then left.
A few years later, I'm off at college, I get a Christmas card from my grandparents that said, and I can quote this: "Merry Christmas. Heard you have a girlfriend. Enjoy Hell."
And now, I'm fixing to get divorced for the second time. Same story, she cheated and left, too. Is it in the air around me or something? hmm.gif Anyway, I haven't heard from my extended family -- my Mom and Dad are actually cool with it, in fact they don't even care if I run around like a pimp on Cialis --on this situation yet, but Christmas ain't here.
So here's my question UMers. I know we all come from various religions, but I'm wondering who, if any, in the Christian community here agrees with my extended family. I'm well over caring where other people say I am going -- like my cousin told me, "If you're going to Hell, I'm going to Hell because you raised me, so I'll bring the stuff to make S'Mores." -- so I am not looking to start a fight (I promise to play nice with the Christians this once innocent.gif); I'm just wondering how my family can think this way. If you agree with them, please provide scripture or what have you to back up your claim. thumbsup.gif
So, fire away!


My relatives think this way too. I'll be in for non-believing. Well, we can both laugh about it in hell I guess grin2.gif

But we shouldn't worry, because God still loves us!!

Oxymoron

Simep answer yes
She-ra
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Jul 6 2007, 09:14 PM) *
Simep answer yes


lmao.

No NHN... original.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(randomhit10 @ Jul 6 2007, 12:58 PM) *
jerry lee lewis had a song about this...it went something like this...

ain't nothin' in the world like a big eyed girl, make me act so funny, make me spend my money, make me feel real loose like a long neck goose,
ooooooooo..... i like it like that....

number three may already be on the way...lol

randomhit10

Wasn't that the Big Bopper? LOL. And oh hell no, number three ain't on the way.
Well, ok, if she is, it is gonna be the kind of trick that goes down in legend.
Or adds to mine, rather. rofl.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(KBA @ Jul 6 2007, 07:53 PM) *
My relatives think this way too. I'll be in for non-believing. Well, we can both laugh about it in hell I guess grin2.gif

But we shouldn't worry, because God still loves us!!

I dunno if God loves me, but I do know He thinks I kick ass! LOL.
And you want in on the S'Mores? rofl.gif
CAptain Scuttle Tew
QUOTE(Alienated Being @ Jul 1 2007, 12:09 PM) *
What really confuses me is this: they say that God forgives all, he loves his children, etc etc etc. However, if this is true, then how can a "Hell" exist? He forgives all, therefore, nobody would be going to Hell - it just sounds like something somebody made up to keep little children in line. I think the only reason somebody would go to Hell would be if they followed Satan's path, killed hundreds of people, and went against God completely. That's the only reason I could see somebody going to "Hell" for.


Ahoy,
As I understand it, you must ask for forgiveness and be repentant of your ‘sin.” “Hell” is for the unrepentant. I guess after we die, it is too late to say, “oops, sorry.”
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(CAptain Scuttle Tew @ Jul 9 2007, 08:51 AM) *
Ahoy,
As I understand it, you must ask for forgiveness and be repentant of your ‘sin.” “Hell” is for the unrepentant. I guess after we die, it is too late to say, “oops, sorry.”

And yet I've found the best life is one without regrets or repentance. Even starting to not regret the last car wreck of a marriage. It taught me many useful things. And made me crazier, so life's more fun than ever! rofl.gif
isis-999
There are many religion's that believe your married for life unless your spouse dies before you..Go figure...My family is very religious also Granfather was a preacher,And i was tought the same thing growing up with a little twist, I was told that God will always consider your first spouse as your true mate.....So why is there two stories to this tale...Well cause they are both B.S...God does not want you stay with a person that cheats, lies's or in my case beats on you....

I say your family is wrong and maybe they need to read the bible closer, God tells you to not judge other's..... wink2.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 15 2007, 09:34 AM) *
There are many religion's that believe your married for life unless your spouse dies before you..Go figure...My family is very religious also Granfather was a preacher,And i was tought the same thing growing up with a little twist, I was told that God will always consider your first spouse as your true mate.....So why is there two stories to this tale...Well cause they are both B.S...God does not want you stay with a person that cheats, lies's or in my case beats on you....

I say your family is wrong and maybe they need to read the bible closer, God tells you to not judge other's..... wink2.gif

Sorry to hear about your ex whooping on you. That kind of thing just makes me irritable. Hence, why I keep a tire iron handy. One of these days I'm just gonna line all the lady beaters of the world up and vent my wrath upon them. Disgusting.
The Bible does say to not judge others, but the problem is that it also says to stand by your spouse to the point of idiocy. So I dunno. Maybe my family is thinking I should have taken the ex's back, instead of sending them on their way? Or let them go and keep my vows to them with no reason or benefit? I've never really figured it out.
isis-999
I have meet people who would not break their vow's no matter what was done to them and to be honest i think they are wrong, Love can make you blind..But that does not mean it has to make you stupid also....I believe that everything happens for a reason and God already knows what we are going to do and why, I can understand why your family feel's the way they do, But with that said i also believe that their love for you should out weigh anything negative they would feel about your not being a push over, The sad thing here is the fact that they rather see you in a unhappy marrige with a person that you can't trust, Next time they start to quote the bible and the law's of God, I remind them rather kindly that one of Gods laws is "" Thy not cheat"" and that God does not expect you to live with a person that broke one of his law's...
jpgr
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Jul 16 2007, 02:53 PM) *
I have meet people who would not break their vow's no matter what was done to them and to be honest i think they are wrong, Love can make you blind..But that does not mean it has to make you stupid also....I believe that everything happens for a reason and God already knows what we are going to do and why, I can understand why your family feel's the way they do, But with that said i also believe that their love for you should out weigh anything negative they would feel about your not being a push over, The sad thing here is the fact that they rather see you in a unhappy marrige with a person that you can't trust, Next time they start to quote the bible and the law's of God, I remind them rather kindly that one of Gods laws is "" Thy not cheat"" and that God does not expect you to live with a person that broke one of his law's...

jpgr
ya saying we stuck with spouse in nex life,got whinging moaning farting snoring for eternity.wot sort of god inflict that on a woman.
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