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THE END TIMES
"The Antichrist and the false prophet were cast into the lake of fire"
He begin to have visions and dreams that he was the reincarination
of King Nebucarnezza , once king of Babylon. He built temples and
palaces to sit and proclaim himself king and God. He put statues of
himself and pictures of himself, even siting on a white horse all
over his country. His country men carried his picture and
marched in the streets with it. The bible says people will worship
his image. He ruled with an iron fist. The bible also calls him
the man of lawlessness. He was Saddam Hussein The antichrist.
I don't have proof yet but I believe he put the mark of the best on
his own people, while he ruled.
One website says if you add up his name you get 666.
Saddam was 66.6 years old when captured by 660 men.
The united nations passed resoultion 666 against him.
My belief is Saddam was the antichrist the bible speaks of.
For more info. type in on yahoo. Saddam Hussein Antichirst,
and read to your heart's content.

The false prophet:
He is the mortal head wound that has healed. God allowed him
to be bald so the whole world could see. A man jumped up at one of his
mettings and danced before him yelling,"you are the beast of revelations!"
He was quickly escorted out the building by guards. This person pushed
for a one world government and religion. He is the ex russion president
Mikhail Gorbechev.
So Mikhail Gorbechev is the false prophet and Saddam Hussein was the
antichrist. So what does it matter, for one is dead and one too old to do anymore.
But I wonder how many people lost their souls following them.

If you are waiting for someone else to appear, you will be waiting
a mighty long time.
cloud0729
I dont understand what you are getting at, according to christians the antichrist will be the man who restores the temple after the rapture, and he would proclaim himself to be God. Just wondering.
Beastmode
also the bible speaks that the anti christ would bring a false peace around the world and be the head of the world religious union. Sadam,,,was just a sorry excuse for a leader..and all your facts regarding the #'s are just made up.
Beastmode
this thread makes as much sense as a 1 legged man in a butt kicking contest
cloud0729
QUOTE(Beastmode @ Jun 29 2007, 02:47 PM) *
this thread makes as much sense as a 1 legged man in a butt kicking contest

I used to be a christian and studied the end-times stuff a lot, but I have to agree with you this isn't like anything I knew about the view of the end-times regarding the anti-christ, beast, false prophet, etc.
THE END TIMES
QUOTE(cloud0729 @ Jun 29 2007, 09:23 PM) *
I dont understand what you are getting at, according to christians the antichrist will be the man who restores the temple after the rapture, and he would proclaim himself to be God. Just wondering.

Show me where it says that? Saddam built his own temple. Why would he need to
restore another?
The Mule
lol.....the anti-christ certainly doesn't die by hanging...sorry, sadam insane was just a plain old megelomaniac, a sociopath, and a 2nd rate despot.
cloud0729
QUOTE(THE END TIMES @ Jun 29 2007, 11:14 PM) *
Show me where it says that? Saddam built his own temple. Why would he need to
restore another?

Are you serious, a simple search would show you that almost all christians agree that the antichrist will restore the temple, bring peace to all the nations, and proclaim himself to be God 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation period (All of which the Jewish messiah is supposed to do, except the proclaiming to be God part). I used to study end-times, the end times lol, so what made you start researching this?
THE END TIMES
QUOTE(cloud0729 @ Jun 30 2007, 08:10 AM) *
Are you serious, a simple search would show you that almost all christians agree that the antichrist will restore the temple, bring peace to all the nations, and proclaim himself to be God 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation period (All of which the Jewish messiah is supposed to do, except the proclaiming to be God part). I used to study end-times, the end times lol, so what made you start researching this?

If you read my post " The burning of a strange fire" will give you a hint. After two demons
were cast out of me and the people at church took me home. They had gave me a bible. I begin
flipping through it and a passage in the book of revelations was glowing. Church of smyrna. Satan
was going to cast me into prision to be tried for ten days. Afterward, I begin to think. If the lord
spoke to me through revelations, are we living in the last days. So I begin to pray and study
asking God to show me. I took news events and matched them with scripture. One way of doing it.
Some of the things some christians say, I just can't find. Sorry
THE END TIMES
QUOTE(THE END TIMES @ Jun 30 2007, 08:21 AM) *
If you read my post " The burning of a strange fire" will give you a hint. After two demons
were cast out of me and the people at church took me home. They had gave me a bible. I begin
flipping through it and a passage in the book of revelations was glowing. Church of smyrna. Satan
was going to cast me into prision to be tried for ten days. Afterward, I begin to think. If the lord
spoke to me through revelations, are we living in the last days. So I begin to pray and study
asking God to show me. I took news events and matched them with scripture. One way of doing it.
Some of the things some christians say, I just can't find. Sorry

I would like to add. In the past I had been asked to speak at several locations
about my supernatural expierence in aug, 1990. I asked the people in the beginning,
Do you believe Jesus and the prophets cast out demons? A hugh amen! brother, went up.
But when I tell them about what happened to me , they look with disbelief. So I asked them,
since you don't believe it could happened now, where did the demons go then?
As I studied prophercy over time and saw more and more of it come true, a lot
of christians don;t believe it because they think they shouldn't be here, so it couldn't
be happened, for they should be raptured up. I'm not saying the lord won't take us out
at the last minute, but I have not yet found a scripture that convinces me of a rapture.
Tannenisis
I don't know exactly what your religious experience entailed. But I do not believe Saddam was the AntiChrist. For one thing, Saddam was not aligned with a large church which is referenced in the Bible as The Whore of Babylon who made the nations drunk with her wine (teachings).

Saddam was a secular man who ran one of the most secular countries in the Middle East. Since he has been uprooted, the fundamentalists have entered the scene and rolled progress backward by decades, particularly in the case of women's rights. He never had a large amount of power in comparison with the Western Powers.

The AntiChrist is a movement of ideas, the end of the cycle that began with Christ. It is teaching that does not match what Christ himself taught. Instead, it is the opposite message.

This is what I felt when I saw the Passion of the Christ. That movie made me angry because it focused on the death and suffering of Christ with minute 10-second sections of what he actually taught. The Christ that hangs on the cross in that movie, gory with blood and inspiring dark emotions within the psyche is the opposite of everything Christ stood for.

He knew he was going to die. And he did so willingly. He is not the first to be killed for trying to truly help others. Yet we are still stuck on the messenger rather than the message. It isn't about whether he died for our sins, but rather that he spoke his truth in spite of his forthcoming death.

Therefore I believe that the movement of the Antichrist (which is rather old; all things create an opposite upon their creation; see the Middle Ages) encompasses teaching that embrace superficiality over the true person, empty ritual over understanding, shunning others instead of embracing them. It encompasses teachings that are divisive amongst people and cause harm psychologically and spiritually. These teachings inspire war and hatred and attempt to make death and suffering something to be celebrated, which they are not.

As I've said, I do not know your religious experience. However, if you would know who has aligned themselves with the dark in this world, then you should follow the trail of money and power. There is no person in the Middle East that has the political clout and monetary backing of those in the West. Their people must resort to suicide bombing to fight because the West can erase the entire region militarily with a push of a button. They are, in my opinion, an inflated threat much like the Soviet Union was.

Sit down with yourself and find the calm center within. That is the place where there are no thoughts or tension. Then pray from that center that God grants you the wisdom to comprehend what you do not understand. This has helped me a great deal in life.

I would also recommend reading The Gnostic Gospels. Even if you do not agree with the texts, they do provide a deeper understanding of the Bible nonetheless.
cloud0729
QUOTE(THE END TIMES @ Jun 30 2007, 01:43 AM) *
As I studied prophercy over time and saw more and more of it come true, a lot
of christians don;t believe it because they think they shouldn't be here, so it couldn't
be happened, for they should be raptured up. I'm not saying the lord won't take us out
at the last minute, but I have not yet found a scripture that convinces me of a rapture.

Yeah, i used to be at that stage where I thought everything that was happening was prophetically related, but I feel I have found a deeper understanding, which I still am learning.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(THE END TIMES @ Jun 29 2007, 12:00 AM) *
"The Antichrist and the false prophet were cast into the lake of fire"
He begin to have visions and dreams that he was the reincarination
of King Nebucarnezza , once king of Babylon. He built temples and
palaces to sit and proclaim himself king and God. He put statues of
himself and pictures of himself, even siting on a white horse all
over his country. His country men carried his picture and
marched in the streets with it. The bible says people will worship
his image. He ruled with an iron fist. The bible also calls him
the man of lawlessness. He was Saddam Hussein The antichrist.
I don't have proof yet but I believe he put the mark of the best on
his own people, while he ruled.
One website says if you add up his name you get 666.
Saddam was 66.6 years old when captured by 660 men.
The united nations passed resoultion 666 against him.
My belief is Saddam was the antichrist the bible speaks of.
For more info. type in on yahoo. Saddam Hussein Antichirst,
and read to your heart's content.

The false prophet:
He is the mortal head wound that has healed. God allowed him
to be bald so the whole world could see. A man jumped up at one of his
mettings and danced before him yelling,"you are the beast of revelations!"
He was quickly escorted out the building by guards. This person pushed
for a one world government and religion. He is the ex russion president
Mikhail Gorbechev.
So Mikhail Gorbechev is the false prophet and Saddam Hussein was the
antichrist. So what does it matter, for one is dead and one too old to do anymore.
But I wonder how many people lost their souls following them.

If you are waiting for someone else to appear, you will be waiting
a mighty long time.

Wow. A whole bunch of nothing.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(THE END TIMES @ Jun 29 2007, 06:00 AM) *
"The Antichrist and the false prophet were cast into the lake of fire"
He begin to have visions and dreams that he was the reincarination
of King Nebucarnezza , once king of Babylon. He built temples and
palaces to sit and proclaim himself king and God. He put statues of
himself and pictures of himself, even siting on a white horse all
over his country. His country men carried his picture and
marched in the streets with it. The bible says people will worship
his image. He ruled with an iron fist. The bible also calls him
the man of lawlessness. He was Saddam Hussein The antichrist.
I don't have proof yet but I believe he put the mark of the best on
his own people, while he ruled.
One website says if you add up his name you get 666.
Saddam was 66.6 years old when captured by 660 men.
The united nations passed resoultion 666 against him.
My belief is Saddam was the antichrist the bible speaks of.
For more info. type in on yahoo. Saddam Hussein Antichirst,
and read to your heart's content.

The false prophet:
He is the mortal head wound that has healed. God allowed him
to be bald so the whole world could see. A man jumped up at one of his
mettings and danced before him yelling,"you are the beast of revelations!"
He was quickly escorted out the building by guards. This person pushed
for a one world government and religion. He is the ex russion president
Mikhail Gorbechev.
So Mikhail Gorbechev is the false prophet and Saddam Hussein was the
antichrist. So what does it matter, for one is dead and one too old to do anymore.
But I wonder how many people lost their souls following them.

If you are waiting for someone else to appear, you will be waiting
a mighty long time.

What was the point behind this??
Darkwind
He wasn't much of an Antichrist, cause he is dead and can't hurt anyone now.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Darkwind @ Jun 30 2007, 09:18 PM) *
He wasn't much of an Antichrist, cause he is dead and can't hurt anyone now.

Very true LOL...although hanging was too bloody good for him, he should have died a slow and painful death...making him suffer, how he made his own people suffer
theprotecter23
ive studied this kind of detail for a while, and saddam could not be the anti christ. yea, he was a vicious stooooopid socilallist crazy leader sort of person, but saddam died and those numbers dont seem correct. but, the anti christ and false prophet will come from Europe, in a way, somehow.there might be relatives of saddam and the russian president who will succeed as the antichrist and false prophet. when the time comes, look for them. they will come from Europe, some sort of politician and these two will be in Vatican, as the bible states. trust me, it has gone this far.
THE END TIMES
QUOTE(Tannenisis @ Jun 30 2007, 03:01 PM) *
I don't know exactly what your religious experience entailed. But I do not believe Saddam was the AntiChrist. For one thing, Saddam was not aligned with a large church which is referenced in the Bible as The Whore of Babylon who made the nations drunk with her wine (teachings).

Saddam was a secular man who ran one of the most secular countries in the Middle East. Since he has been uprooted, the fundamentalists have entered the scene and rolled progress backward by decades, particularly in the case of women's rights. He never had a large amount of power in comparison with the Western Powers.

The AntiChrist is a movement of ideas, the end of the cycle that began with Christ. It is teaching that does not match what Christ himself taught. Instead, it is the opposite message.

This is what I felt when I saw the Passion of the Christ. That movie made me angry because it focused on the death and suffering of Christ with minute 10-second sections of what he actually taught. The Christ that hangs on the cross in that movie, gory with blood and inspiring dark emotions within the psyche is the opposite of everything Christ stood for.

He knew he was going to die. And he did so willingly. He is not the first to be killed for trying to truly help others. Yet we are still stuck on the messenger rather than the message. It isn't about whether he died for our sins, but rather that he spoke his truth in spite of his forthcoming death.

Therefore I believe that the movement of the Antichrist (which is rather old; all things create an opposite upon their creation; see the Middle Ages) encompasses teaching that embrace superficiality over the true person, empty ritual over understanding, shunning others instead of embracing them. It encompasses teachings that are divisive amongst people and cause harm psychologically and spiritually. These teachings inspire war and hatred and attempt to make death and suffering something to be celebrated, which they are not.

As I've said, I do not know your religious experience. However, if you would know who has aligned themselves with the dark in this world, then you should follow the trail of money and power. There is no person in the Middle East that has the political clout and monetary backing of those in the West. Their people must resort to suicide bombing to fight because the West can erase the entire region militarily with a push of a button. They are, in my opinion, an inflated threat much like the Soviet Union was.

Sit down with yourself and find the calm center within. That is the place where there are no thoughts or tension. Then pray from that center that God grants you the wisdom to comprehend what you do not understand. This has helped me a great deal in life.

I would also recommend reading The Gnostic Gospels. Even if you do not agree with the texts, they do provide a deeper understanding of the Bible nonetheless.

I saw the passion of christ also. I wept during the movie. A few days after I read a news report of criminials
who saw it turning themselves in because of its effect.
THE END TIMES
QUOTE(Beastmode @ Jun 29 2007, 09:35 PM) *
also the bible speaks that the anti christ would bring a false peace around the world and be the head of the world religious union. Sadam,,,was just a sorry excuse for a leader..and all your facts regarding the #'s are just made up.

I'm not alone believing Saddam is the antichrist. When I got out on the internet and plugged
in Saddam Hussein antichrisn I fount a wealth of infomation. Whats gives you the athority
to descide whats is made up?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(THE END TIMES @ Jul 1 2007, 05:20 AM) *
I'm not alone believing Saddam is the antichrist. When I got out on the internet and plugged
in Saddam Hussein antichrisn I fount a wealth of infomation. Whats gives you the athority
to descide whats is made up?

It's called freedom of speach..that's what

How can you call Saddam the antichrist when he is dead and gone??

No such thing as an anti christ lol
Devol
QUOTE(Darkwind @ Jun 30 2007, 04:18 PM) *
He wasn't much of an Antichrist, cause he is dead and can't hurt anyone now.

Not true...remember, he'll become Satan's lover and return when Terrance and Phillip are executed. But don't worry, Cartman will save us!
yes.gif

If THE END TIMES can make inane posts, then we're all entitled to, right?
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(cloud0729 @ Jun 30 2007, 04:10 PM) *
Are you serious, a simple search would show you that almost all christians agree that the antichrist will restore the temple, bring peace to all the nations, and proclaim himself to be God 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation period (All of which the Jewish messiah is supposed to do, except the proclaiming to be God part). I used to study end-times, the end times lol, so what made you start researching this?
With respect, cloud, the pre-millenialist belief of a Rapture, literal anti-Christ, 7-year peace/war/god-on-earth rigmarole is only one view of the End Times. There is also a post-millenialist argument, and an a-millenialist belief, each of which are held by large numbers of Christians. In Australia, it has been my observation that the most common belief arising from conservative Christianity is that of a-millenialism (other regions may very well be different, though). With such extensive research on Eschatological matters, I'm surprised that you would consider that "almost all" Christians hold a pre-millenial belief.
cloud0729
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Jul 1 2007, 09:31 AM) *
With respect, cloud, the pre-millenialist belief of a Rapture, literal anti-Christ, 7-year peace/war/god-on-earth rigmarole is only one view of the End Times. There is also a post-millenialist argument, and an a-millenialist belief, each of which are held by large numbers of Christians. In Australia, it has been my observation that the most common belief arising from conservative Christianity is that of a-millenialism (other regions may very well be different, though). With such extensive research on Eschatological matters, I'm surprised that you would consider that "almost all" Christians hold a pre-millenial belief.

Sorry PA, I totally forgot about the number of views by christians on the end-times. The only type of end-times scenario I used to hear about when I was a christian was pre-millenial and thats all I really hear from people around here. Sorry for the "all christians" thing, that was a little too much from me.
cloud0729
QUOTE(theprotecter23 @ Jun 30 2007, 03:25 PM) *
ive studied this kind of detail for a while, and saddam could not be the anti christ. yea, he was a vicious stooooopid socilallist crazy leader sort of person, but saddam died and those numbers dont seem correct. but, the anti christ and false prophet will come from Europe, in a way, somehow.there might be relatives of saddam and the russian president who will succeed as the antichrist and false prophet. when the time comes, look for them. they will come from Europe, some sort of politician and these two will be in Vatican, as the bible states. trust me, it has gone this far.

You know that the view of the christian "anti-christ" is the same as the requirements supposed to be met by the Jewish messiah?
atom286
George W Bush adds up to 666. Just thought Id point that out.
triplehelix2000
How about Joseph Smith being a false prophet?
pimppapa1977
dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb<<<singing it South Park
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(cloud0729 @ Jul 2 2007, 03:59 AM) *
Sorry PA, I totally forgot about the number of views by christians on the end-times. The only type of end-times scenario I used to hear about when I was a christian was pre-millenial and thats all I really hear from people around here. Sorry for the "all christians" thing, that was a little too much from me.
That's fair enough. I've heard about certain areas of the world (particularly specific parts of the U.S) where the talk is of nothing but Pre-millenial End Times. And I guess if you're confronted by such one-sided views in everyday life, that can have an impact on the larger global picture. Thanks for your clarification anyway thumbsup.gif
NiCkC818
I believe the Anti-Christ will arise out of the U.S.A. and the false prophet will arise out of the E.U. Just my opinion.
Odd Christian
1. the man called antichrist will make a 7 year peace pack with israel, after 31/2 years, he will go into the restored temple in jerusalem, enter the holy of holies and proclaim himself as God.

2. the false prophet will go around preaching that the man is god and will cause a very large number of people to worship the anticrist.

3. the antichrist and false prohet will be defeated by the second coming of christ, and be thrown ALIVE into the lake of fire, which was originaly created for the rebelious angels, and also became the place of punishment for those who reject GOD, the devil will be chained in a bottomless pitt. thus begins the thousand year reign of JESUS which will be a time of peace.

4. the antichrist will die by a head wound, and be resurected by the evil one.

5. will be somone the jewish people can accept.

6. majority of people will be decieved and not recognize him as the antichrist.

source the book of REVELATION, book of DANIEL

fact-saddam is dead and buried, by the hand of men.
fact- never tried to make a peace pack with israel, tried in fact to wipe them out.
fact- israel hated saddam
fact-the world is not now in a state of peace.

conclusion, no way could he have been the antichrist. period. based on the prophetic books, this point is not even debatable.
Beastmode
QUOTE(cloud0729 @ Jun 29 2007, 07:12 PM) *
I used to be a christian and studied the end-times stuff a lot, but I have to agree with you this isn't like anything I knew about the view of the end-times regarding the anti-christ, beast, false prophet, etc.



lol...your right this is just random made up info to make up a post...he or she seems to do this alot
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(triplehelix2000 @ Jul 1 2007, 09:53 PM) *
How about Joseph Smith being a false prophet?

He is..they even took the piss out of him on South Park lol
Bluefinger
QUOTE(cloud0729 @ Jun 30 2007, 01:10 AM) *
Are you serious, a simple search would show you that almost all christians agree that the antichrist will restore the temple, bring peace to all the nations, and proclaim himself to be God 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation period (All of which the Jewish messiah is supposed to do, except the proclaiming to be God part). I used to study end-times, the end times lol, so what made you start researching this?


Interesting enough, this futurist interpretatin is sadly far from the truth. Its hogwarsh.

I feel so strongly about this because many eschatologists take one verse COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT and base other verses that aren't even contextually related to it to build a largely drawn out view that strays far from the context to which any of the verses were given.

Take Daniel 9:27 for example: Futurists use this verse and this verse only to base their entire interpretation of the antichrist's campaign on.

However, Revelation indicates that the antichrist was to be of the Roman Empire. 2 Thessalonians 2 shows that the antichrist was to sit in the temple, showing himself to be God and misleading many. This shows that the antichrist IS the false prophet and that the beast, according to its comparison to Daniel 7, is a kingdom.

Lets take the context to both Daniel 7 and 2 Thessalonians 2:

Daniel 7's context regards the rise of four Gentile kingdoms, through which a little horn would arise out of the fourth kingdom, speak pompous words against God, and persecute the saints.
2 Thessalonians 2's context regards Gentiles who had been misled concerning the day of the Lord and His return. The temple spoken of in this chapter does not regard the Jewish temple, for it was written to the Gentiles of Thessalonica; not Jews. Thus the temple being discussed here is the Church; as the last three verses of Ephesians 2 indicates.

This being said, the antichrist was to be Roman and a leader in the Church. You put the rest together.


As far as Daniel 9:27's context is regarding; look at Daniel 9:24. That says it all. The seventy weeks of years were determined upon the JEWS and JERUSALEM. Its context is about the Jewish nation that was present during the times of Christ and His apostles. There are two people mentioned in this verse: The one that puts an end to sacrifice and oblation (Jesus; whose ministry lasted three and a half years) and the one to which upon a wing of abomination comes one that makes desolate. Notice that the last three and a half years aren't described nor does it say that they are fulfilled. However, if you recall ACTS, the Jewish Church went out in Jerusalem and Judea until they were driven out to preach among the Gentiles. When this happen, it signed the Jewish nation's death certificate premortom. From then only abominations increased and desolations were decreed. Then God sent the Romans to destroy Jerusalem for their rejection of God's Annointed One and High Priest.

Thus Daniel 9:27, and the entire futurist interpretation about the antichrist and tribulation is wrong.
Bluefinger
QUOTE(cloud0729 @ Jul 1 2007, 01:00 PM) *
You know that the view of the christian "anti-christ" is the same as the requirements supposed to be met by the Jewish messiah?

???? That's kinda outlandish. Care to explain?
Bluefinger
I guess not. hmm.gif
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