Risov Misa
Jul 9 2007, 10:01 PM
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spiritual growth is possible on any level yet it seems like only a certain maturity can be reached in this realm and this is where death becomes transitory ..... Are we to assume that we always contact a more elevated or "mature" spirit when we use the boards?.......B
hmm, 'spiritual growth' is always possible on any level, but the concepts that are used that guide the consciousness accepts and can comprehend. "Death" isn't reserved just for the end of the physical life, but 'death' is merely a transition, or rather a significant change. It happens everyday, and everyone experiences it. A new beginning or a new life begins sooner or later. Its not impossible that those who are born into the physical vessel for a purpose, to achieve a higher level of existence and consciousness. Though the work and energy put forth to do so is long and hard, but that depends on the individual's decision of its worth. There throughout their life, they will experience transitions of sorts, so they will be able to get to each level to learn and grow. However, that is if they choose so.
For your last question, no, not always, as nobody can really judge a book by its cover so to speak. Although, there are those who are more knowledeable and skilled in reading people, and understanding where each person stands.
GeneBrowne
Jul 11 2007, 02:36 PM
QUOTE(IronGhost @ Jul 11 2007, 02:01 PM)
Thank you for your kind words -- I've been meaning to dig through my files for another story of interest -- I've been extremely busy here, but I'll post another one soon. I remember this incredible Ouija session with the "love beings" but I just have to locate it, and then re-type in in here from our hand-written notebooks.
Some good posts IronGhost. I myself have been dabbling in Ouija boards for a few years now and i am a strong believer, moreso from the very first time I played it. THere were 5 of us, and I lived in a house that i believed to be haunted because of all the strange happenings, such as the furnace cutting in when we never had one, or lights getting dim and bright and dim again. So the first time we did the Ouija we were going along and I was recording the whole thing and about a 1/3 of the way into the session we came across a spirit who wanted to show he was there. So we were dumb and said ok .... at that moment all the dishes in the cubbard behind us started to rattle and my friends drums, in their cases, in the poarch started to rattle and if anyone knows about drums in foam cases, they dont make any noise, especially cymbals. So we were freaked out but that was fine, then later from upstairs we heard a little girl whistling and later found out that my roomate always had dreams about a little girl in the attic whistling (before I ever told he about the whistling).
It went on and on and some really strange stuff happened. One occurance that was really creepy and I'd like to be able to explain this by some "common sense" as well, there was this guy there who we never knew as my friend brought him along for the ride to say. So he wasn't playin at this particular moment but he was asking questions and this guy wasn't a believer until this moment when an entity named Rose came through. We asked how she died and all this stuff and all of a sudden Justin got freaked right out. We asked what was wrong and my friend who bought him said that his mother died 6 months ago and this is describing her to a tee (but in more detail than he knew). So then Justin was like well if you're really my mother whats my first cousins wifes name, and none of us had a clue obviously from not knowing him, and it gave him the right answer. So we ended the night there because he was so freaked out... I ended up moving out of that house but I would love to be able to go back and do another session, but oh well.
So I believe in the Ouija Board as it was a very real experience for me and my 4 friends. So when people come on and say that these things aren't real, that's fine... but they should not be saying that it's isn't real for others. Maybe some people can use them and maybe others can't. I know that I cant' swim, but I don't say swimming doesn't exist. Regardless, some skeptics here are harsh and for the most part shouldn't be paid attention to. There are some that are actually a skeptic and not just use the title.
Anyways IronGhost, the next time I use a Ouija Board I will ask thoes questions for you and try to help you out.
Now let the razzing on Ouija boards continue....
Cheers,
Gene
IronGhost
Jul 13 2007, 06:01 PM
Okay, here is a very long session with the Ouija Board that I will call “unusual” and I’m sure you will agree.
The session was conducted with my cousin Stephan, who is a citizen of Poland, and who was visiting me here in America at the time. I’m not sure if it makes any difference, but in the first part of this session the questions were asked in the Polish language, which I speak somewhat, but which of course, is Stephan’s primary language. I was interested is conducting a session in a language other than English because I was curious to see if any entity on “the other side” would answer in Polish or English. For this reason, neither Stephan or I were blindfolded. As it turns out, the beings we contacted answered in English.
Also, and I’m not sure if this is significant, Stephan is now a professional Zen Monk, but before that, he earned his Ph.D, is physics, and was an expert on the process of melting plastics.
For your convenience, I will use only English here.
At this session, about 8 or 9 people were present, and our good friend Darcy agreed to sit by with notebook and act as recorder.
Also for your convenience, all answers from the Ouija Board entities will be in ALL-CAPS!
Session Opening: Greetings! We are extremely curious beings who live in physical existence on a planet we call Earth! We seek a conversation with friendly, highly intelligent and advance beings.
OPENING ANSWER: LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! WE ARE OVERJOYED TO MEET OUR FELLOW MANIFESTATIONS IN LOVE!
Question: Thank you, and greetings! Who are you?
ANSWER: WE ARE LOVE!
Question: Do you have a name, and why do you say “we”?
ANSWER: WE ARE LOVE!
Question: Love? Is that your name?
ANSWER: LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! WE ARE LOVE!
Question: Do we speak with multiple beings, or just one being?
ANSWER: THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS LOVE!
Question: Okay. We get the impression that you are not an individual, but a kind of group mind centered around the concept of love? Is that correct?
ANSWER: WE ARE LOVE!
Question: How many are you?
ANSWER: MANY, MANY. WE ARE LOVE!
Question: So your existence is all about love? Do you do anything else?
ANSWER: WE MANIFEST LOVE! LOVE IS THE ALL!
Question: How would you define love?
ANSWER: LOVE IS THE ALL! WE ARE EAGER TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR LOVE! TELL US ABOUT LOVE IN YOUR WORLD! WILL YOU SHARE YOUR LOVING EXISTENCE?
Question: Certainly. We also highly regard love here on Earth. What specifically do you want to know?
ANSWER: HOW DO YOU LOVE?
Question: A profound question! It is also a difficult question. We love in many different ways. For example, in our physical existence, we make distinctions between ourselves based on something called sex. Our species is basically divided into two different sexes, which are discrete categories based on biology, although both categories are fully human beings. Human beings are what we call ourselves. Anyway, the different sexes are primarily bound to each other by love. Love causes us to cling to one another, and thereby, continue our species, among other things. This is just one example of love in our world.
ANSWER: WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING ....
(Note: At this point, the love beings started saying “We are shimmering” over and over again, and we had no idea as to what this meant. We didn’t want to sit there all night watching the oracle spell out “We are shimmering” so we tried to break in by asking more questions, but it took several tries before we finally broke the shimmering spell.)
Question: What do you mean when you say that you are shimmering?
ANSWER: TO LEARN NEW THINGS ABOUT LOVE DRIVES US TO ECSTASY! TO SHIMMER IS TO EXPRESS OUR OVERWHELMING JOY AT THE AMAZING WONDER OF LOVE! TELL US MORE ABOUT HOW LOVE MANIFESTS IN YOUR UNIVERSE!
Question: Will this cause you to start shimmering again?
ANSWER: WE SHIMMER THE JOY OF LOVE!
Question: We don’t blame you. Well, we also identify different kinds of love, which are not based on sexual identity, but rather on our love for many things, such as all human beings, other species of beings which we call animals, and we even love other things, like our beautiful planet, and much more. Some separate love into two broad categories, which we call Eros and Agape. Eros is a love that involves the physical process of reproduction, while Agape is a more general, and some say, higher kind of love, such as a love for all humanity, but not involving sex.
ANSWER: WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING ...
(Note: As I suspected, the further information I provided about love caused the Love Beings to go off on a nonstop “shimmering” jag, which we could not break -- we didn’t know what to do, but then, suddenly, the session took a strange new twist.
What happened was this: Darcy, our Ouija stenographer, became suddenly overwhelmed with emotion -- surprising us all. She burst into tears and ran into another room in my house and closed the door. I could hear her sobbing heavily on the other side of the door. I finally convinced her to let me in to find out what was wrong.
To make a very long story short, here was the problem: The thing about Darcy is that she is fantastically beautiful woman, with Hollywood good looks, luxurious raven-black hair that tumbles to her shoulders, and stunning green eyes -- but, who, nevertheless, was extremely unlucky in her love life. At the time of this session, she was 36 years old and unmarried. The pattern of her love life was one she describes as “serial monogamy.” In other words, Darcy had no shortage of boyfriends and relationships, but none of them ever lasted, and her heart had been bitterly broken many times. She had even been engaged two or three times, but never made it to the alter.
The pattern was always the same: Darcy would meet a man and fall madly in love. She and her new love interest would experience the intense euphoria of a new love relationship, and she would completely lose herself in it. But then the relationship would always cool off, and end is a bitter break-up. In short, Darcy had been searching for her “soul mate” all her life, only to experience a long and agonizing string of painful disappointments, each time resulting in intense emotional pain, loneliness and feelings of worthlessness.
Finding that “perfect love” was Darcy’s life-long obsession, yet, it seems it was the one thing she could not have.
I suspected the way this Ouija session was playing out was no accident. I theorized that even though Darcy herself was not at the Ouija Board with Stephan and I, her consciousness was deeply influencing the session as or recorder, and may have been instrumental in contacting the Love Beings, since her obsession was love.
A plan immediately presented itself: Because we had apparently made contact with what are possibly the ultimate experts on the subject of love -- wouldn’t it be great if the Love Beings could once and for all solve Darcy’s problem and offer her a solution to her life-long quest for lasting love?
I suggested to Darcy that we ask the Love Beings to help her with her problem and she agreed very eagerly -- however, she did not want all the other people that were observing our session to listen in -- which is totally understandable.
Again, to make a long story short, I requested that all others leave because we had decided that we were going to move the session into some very sensitive territory. Of course, this was like cat nip to everyone, and they protested vociferously. They wanted to stay. they knew we were onto to something big -- but I managed to get everyone kicked out so we could let the Love Beings counsel Darcy on her love life.
When we finally returned to the Ouija Board -- which was about an hour later -- the love beings were still shimmering, but we finally managed to get them to stop and talk to us by tempting with the news that we had fantastic new revelations to reveal about love. I knew this would be like catnip to them! And so the session continues:)
Question: Love Beings, with us here is a dear friend who has problems with the force of love, and she seeks your aid. Our friend, Darcy, seems to be suffering from a kind of dysfunction in her ability to love. Can you offer her help?
ANSWER: WE ENTHUSIASTICALLY AGREE TO GIVE DARCY ALL OUR LOVE AND HELP!
Question: Wonderful!
(Note: We then described Darcy’s situation in some detail, and asked for a solution to Darcy’s serial monogamy.)
ANSWER: PLEASE TELL US, DARCY, HOW MANY LOVE CONSTRUCTS HAVE YOU CREATED?
(Note: By this we assumed that the Love Beings wanted to know how many broken relationships Darcy had suffered. Darcy answered without a hesitation. She said that she had suffered 14 broken relationships in her lifetime. So we told the Love Beings that Darcy had 14 “love constructs”).
ANSWER: WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM? THIS IS SO MUCH WONDERFUL LOVE. YOU ARE A LOVING BEING, DARCY! WE LOVE YOU!
(Note: Darcy began to weep softly at this, but very much wanted to continue.)
Question: Well, it’s a problem because each of these 14 love constructs have dissolved, leaving no love behind, but only a lack of love.
ANSWER: THIS IS NOT SO! DARCY IS A BEING OF GREAT LOVE, A GREAT ARTISTS OF LOVE! SHE HAS CREATED 14 LOVE CONSTRUCTS, EACH OF WHICH REMAINS TO THIS DAY AND ARE A SHIMMERING TESTAMENT TO HER GREAT CAPACITY TO CREATE LOVE!
Question: Could you explain what you mean by this?
ANSWER: LOVE CAN NEVER BE DISSOLVED ONCE CREATED. LOVE IS UNBREAKABLE ENERGY! EACH OF DARCY’S LOVE CONSTRUCTS EXIST IN FORM, AND REMAIN IN THE UNIVERSE, ATTACHED TO HER, AND ARE A SHINING TRIBUTE TO HER ABILITY TO PRODUCE LOVE! DARCY IS A VERY GREAT BEING!
Question: Yes, but Darcy has no love in her life now. She lives alone and without love.
ANSWER: IMPOSSIBLE! DARCY IS BUILDING A MULTIFACETED CONSTRUCT OF LOVE! IT IS A DAZZLING TRIBUTE TO LOVE, AND WE ARE GRATEFUL, WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING ...
Question: Please forego your shimmering and you will be rewarded with more information about love!
ANSWER: PLEASE CONTINUE!
Question: Let us try to explain more completely. On our planet, we place particular value on a certain kind of love. The kind of love we are talking about involves two human beings who form a love construct between them, and then maintain that singular love construct for the duration of their existence, exclusive of other physical beings -- for that particular kind of love. They may yet have love for others, such as their children, which are subsets of the primary love construct consisting of two individuals who share love. However, the singularity love construct created by two human beings who love each other exclusively for the duration of their physical existence is of premium value in our existence. It is this singularity love construct that Darcy seeks, and now wishes to add it to her fine 14-part love construct as a crowing achievement. Can you suggest a solution?
ANSWER: WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING ....
(As I suspected, our description of a lasting love between just two people drove the Love Beings into intense paroxysms of shimmering, which took a very long time for Stephan and I to break, and we were starting to get exhausted from this already long session. Yet, Darcy was now extremely thirsty for advice from the Love Beings, and I think if we would have tried to quit at this point, she would have stabbed us both to death with a kitchen knife.)
Question: Love Beings, please tell help our friend Darcy. Can she form a singular, lasting love construct?
ANSWER: DARCY HAS ALREADY COMPLETED MOST OF NECESSARY WORK. IF SHE WISHES A LOVE SINGULARITY CONSTRUCT, SHE HAS ONLY TO PUT HER POLYHEDRON OF LOVE TO WORK FOR HERSELF.
Question: How can this be accomplished?
ANSWER: WE INSTRUCT DARCY TO GATHER HER 14 LOVE CONSTRUCT PARTNERS AND POSITION THEM TOGETHER. SHE WAS ALSO NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF AN EXISTING SINGULARITY LOVE CONSTRUCT -- IN YOUR CASE, THIS IS APPARENTLY TWO BEINGS OF YOUR SEXES WHO HAVE MAINTAINED A LOVE SINGULARITY CONSTRUCT FOR THE DURATION OF THEIR LOVING ACTIVITY. INSTRUCT DARCY TO PLACE THE SINGULARITY LOVE CONSTRUCT IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION, AND POSITION HER 14 LOVE CONSTRUCT PARTNERS AROUND THEM. DARCY SHOULD THEN PLACE HERSELF IN THE CENTER WITH THE TWO BEING OF THE SINGULARITY LOVE CONSTRUCT. SHE SHOULD POSITION HERSELF IN BETWEEN THE TWO BEINGS OF SINGULARITY. FROM THIS POSITION, SHE SHOULD THEN INSTRUCT HER 14 LOVE CONSTRUCT PARTNERS TO SHIFT THEIR POSITIONS UNTIL SHE FEELS THE POLYHEDRON OF LOVE COME INTO SYNCHRONIZATION.
WITH YOU WE SENSE A BEING OF EXTRAORDINARY CONSCIOUSNESS. DARCY SHOULD MATCH THE FORM OF CONSCIOUSNESS USED BY THIS BEING AS SHE TUNES AND MANIPULATES HER LOVE POLYHEDRON CONSTRUCT. SHE WILL SOON COME INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE LATTICES OF HER LOVE CONSTRUCT, AND BECOME PERFECTLY CENTERED IN LOVE. ONCE ACCOMPLISHED, DARCY WILL REALIZE THE LOVE SINGULARITY SHE DESIRES!
Question: This being of “extraordinary consciousness.” Who is this?
ANSWER: IT IS THE BEING WHOM WITH YOU COOPERATE IN COMMUNICATION WITH US.
(Note: So the beings seemed to be say that my cousin, Stephan, who as a Zen monk, should teach Darcy how to condition her mind with Zen meditation. Stephan speculated that the mode of consciousness the Love Beings were referring to was the alpha state of the brain -- experienced meditators who have been studied in a laboratory setting have been shown to emit alpha wave patterns in their brains.)
Question: So what you seem to be saying, Love Beings, is that Darcy should find a couple who have maintained an exclusive loving relationship for many years, sit with them, and then have her 14 previous lovers surround them, and then attempt to fine tune a kind of psychic love polyhedron as she puts herself into a meditative state?
ANSWER: IT WOULD BE A LOVE CONSTRUCT OF GREAT WONDER AND DARCY WOULD KNOW GREAT LOVE!
(Note: At this point Darcy, Stephan and I paused and contemplated the remarkable information we had just received in silence. I could sense, however, that Darcy was smoldering inside, and seemed tall but READY TO implodE. I imagine she was thinking about the crazy idea of calling up the 14 men who had been her lovers over that last 15 or 20 years, and thinking about what it would be like to have them all in one room.
Suddenly, Darcy jumped up from her chair, stepped toward me and Stephan and then violently tipped over the small table that sat between us with the Ouija Board on top of it. The board and the oracle went flying. Darcy threw her pencil and notepad against the wall and stormed out of the house, weeping.
Stephan maintained his wonderful Zen calm, quietly picked up the table and Ouija Board and set them back in place. Despite the disastrous result of the evening, Stephan felt we should thank the Love Beings for doing their best, and in good faith, he believed.
So we puts our finger tips back on the oracle.)
Question: Thank you, Love Beings! We think it is wonderful that there are Being who are dedicated to love! Farewell!
ANSWER: WE ARE SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING, SHIMMERING, WE ARE SHIMMERING ....
IronGhost
Jul 14 2007, 02:38 PM
QUOTE(Anvil @ Jul 13 2007, 11:29 PM)
lol Iron that was funny....anymore sessions ?
Sure, I've got many boxes filled with dusty notebooks of sessions done since I was 8 years old, and I'm now 48.
My first session when I was 8 was with my oldest brother, Felix. I have four siblings and we all tried working the board in various combinations with poor results, but when Felix and I worked it together, the thing went wild. Felix is 11 years older than me, so he would have been around 19 when I was 8.
Anyway, I still have that first session in writing, and the old Ouija Board told us all kinds of stuff that never came true.
Back then we asked just very simple questions, and we always called the Ouija Board by name. So, for example, we would ask: "Ouija Board. How old will I be when I die?"
The Board told me that I would die at age 41, which obviously never came true. It also said that I would grow up to be a fairly high-ranking officer in the U.S. Navy, but that after I got out of the Navy, I would loose my way, become and alcoholic and then a homeless bum. This never happened either. We asked it how I would die, and it said that I would be stabbed to death in a knife fight inside a small neon sign shop in downtown Detroit.
Then we asked for details of how this would come about, and it said that, as a homeless man, I would search through the garbage for small items to sell on the streetcorner for petty cash, and that I would spend every dime on cheap wine. Then it told me that I would get into an argument with another bum who was begging for cash on the street in "my territory." It said that on a very cold day we both went into a neon sign shop and started arguing, and I got stabbed to death.
The Board said that my youngest brother would grow up to be a garbage man, and that he would die at the age of 21 after someone had illegally dumped radioactive material into a waste bin, thus giving him radiation poisening. This did not turn out to be true either. And so on -- our favorite quesations were about how we were going to die, how long we would live, and that kind of stuff.
My mother, who was a very devout Catholic, would yell at us whenever we asked it stuff like "when will I die?" She would yell at us in Polish to "get rid of that Oiuja Board." Still, she let us play with it, and didn't mind when our questions were less frightening. Even though a hard-core Catholic, I think she considered the Board a harmless toy.
But, anyway, we were always amazed at how crazy and creative all the things it told us were. For example, we lived in a small town in Minnesota, and none of had ever been to Detroit, or would have ever thought about something like a "neon sign shop."
Sometimes Felix and I would argue with each other. He would yell at me, "You're moving it!" And I would swear I was not, and then I would accuse him of moving it, and he would protest as well. This is when we first came up with the idea to blindfold one person to make it tougher to cheat, even subconsciously.
But one time mom took the board away from us for a long time because one Saturday night, we contacted a dead man by the name of Hal Witzman. Mr. Witzman had been a well-known plumber in our town for many years, and had died a couple of years ago. Mom thought it was just too eerie that we were talking to dead people we had actually once known. In our child-like innocence, we would ask questions like, "What's it like in your grave?" And Mr. Witzman would say, "It's cold and lonely." Mom didn't like this at all.
But then we asked Mr. Witzman if he felt that he had wasted his life toiling away as a plumber, and did he wish he had done something more interesting with his life, and the spirit of Mr. Witzman became very angry, and started insulting my father, who owned a grocery store.
The dead Mr. Witzman said: "What's so bad about working as a plumber? Your own dad is nothing buy a prune peddler, and a tightwad!"
Then we would say: "Ha! Ha! You're only a dead plumber!"
And then we also told Mr. Witzman, we told him his wife remarried only six months after he died, and she seemed very happy now -- and this made the dead Mr. Witzman extremely angry -- we also told him that we did not believe that his wife had ever put flowers on his grave -- and Mr. Wiztman said he would start haunting her, and us as well.
At this point, mom had enough and confiscated the Oijua Board.
But the point I should make is that when one continued to use the Ouija Board over a period of many years, and do so consistently, you develop a whole new knack and sensativity with it, and you eventually get much richer, more advanced kinds of readings, etc. Maybe I'll discuss that more later.
Anyway, thank you Anvil for yoou kind comments, and to all others here as well. When I get time, I'll dig out a few more sessions from my 40-year stack of notebooks.
I'm really surprised anyone finds them all that interesting.
JustNormal
Jul 14 2007, 04:13 PM
QUOTE(IronGhost @ Jul 14 2007, 02:38 PM)
Sure, I've got many boxes filled with dusty notebooks of sessions done since I was 8 years old, and I'm now 48.
My first session when I was 8 was with my oldest brother, Felix. I have four siblings and we all tried working the board in various combinations with poor results, but when Felix and I worked it together, the thing went wild. Felix is 11 years older than me, so he would have been around 19 when I was 8.
Anyway, I still have that first session in writing, and the old Ouija Board told us all kinds of stuff that never came true.
Back then we asked just very simple questions, and we always called the Ouija Board by name. So, for example, we would ask: "Ouija Board. How old will I be when I die?"
The Board told me that I would die at age 41, which obviously never came true. It also said that I would grow up to be a fairly high-ranking officer in the U.S. Navy, but that after I got out of the Navy, I would loose my way, become and alcoholic and then a homeless bum. This never happened either. We asked it how I would die, and it said that I would be stabbed to death in a knife fight inside a small neon sign shop in downtown Detroit.
Then we asked for details of how this would come about, and it said that, as a homeless man, I would search through the garbage for small items to sell on the streetcorner for petty cash, and that I would spend every dime on cheap wine. Then it told me that I would get into an argument with another bum who was begging for cash on the street in "my territory." It said that on a very cold day we both went into a neon sign shop and started arguing, and I got stabbed to death.
The Board said that my youngest brother would grow up to be a garbage man, and that he would die at the age of 21 after someone had illegally dumped radioactive material into a waste bin, thus giving him radiation poisening. This did not turn out to be true either. And so on -- our favorite quesations were about how we were going to die, how long we would live, and that kind of stuff.
My mother, who was a very devout Catholic, would yell at us whenever we asked it stuff like "when will I die?" She would yell at us in Polish to "get rid of that Oiuja Board." Still, she let us play with it, and didn't mind when our questions were less frightening. Even though a hard-core Catholic, I think she considered the Board a harmless toy.
But, anyway, we were always amazed at how crazy and creative all the things it told us were. For example, we lived in a small town in Minnesota, and none of had ever been to Detroit, or would have ever thought about something like a "neon sign shop."
Sometimes Felix and I would argue with each other. He would yell at me, "You're moving it!" And I would swear I was not, and then I would accuse him of moving it, and he would protest as well. This is when we first came up with the idea to blindfold one person to make it tougher to cheat, even subconsciously.
But one time mom took the board away from us for a long time because one Saturday night, we contacted a dead man by the name of Hal Witzman. Mr. Witzman had been a well-known plumber in our town for many years, and had died a couple of years ago. Mom thought it was just too eerie that we were talking to dead people we had actually once known. In our child-like innocence, we would ask questions like, "What's it like in your grave?" And Mr. Witzman would say, "It's cold and lonely." Mom didn't like this at all.
But then we asked Mr. Witzman if he felt that he had wasted his life toiling away as a plumber, and did he wish he had done something more interesting with his life, and the spirit of Mr. Witzman became very angry, and started insulting my father, who owned a grocery store.
The dead Mr. Witzman said: "What's so bad about working as a plumber? Your own dad is nothing buy a prune peddler, and a tightwad!"
Then we would say: "Ha! Ha! You're only a dead plumber!"
And then we also told Mr. Witzman, we told him his wife remarried only six months after he died, and she seemed very happy now -- and this made the dead Mr. Witzman extremely angry -- we also told him that we did not believe that his wife had ever put flowers on his grave -- and Mr. Wiztman said he would start haunting her, and us as well.
At this point, mom had enough and confiscated the Oijua Board.
But the point I should make is that when one continued to use the Ouija Board over a period of many years, and do so consistently, you develop a whole new knack and sensativity with it, and you eventually get much richer, more advanced kinds of readings, etc. Maybe I'll discuss that more later.
Anyway, thank you Anvil for yoou kind comments, and to all others here as well. When I get time, I'll dig out a few more sessions from my 40-year stack of notebooks.
I'm really surprised anyone finds them all that interesting.
"Toiling away as a plumber?" LOL totally classic..Bad boys for taunting that poor plumber. You could have flushed him right into your lives, tsk tsk..BTW What happened to Darcy, I need to know? Did she find love, did she ever stop her anger issues? Too many questions, not enough answers LOL..
IronGhost
Jul 14 2007, 06:29 PM
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jul 14 2007, 04:13 PM)
"Toiling away as a plumber?" LOL totally classic..Bad boys for taunting that poor plumber. You could have flushed him right into your lives, tsk tsk..BTW What happened to Darcy, I need to know? Did she find love, did she ever stop her anger issues? Too many questions, not enough answers LOL..
Hi JN:
Yes, about Darcy. A complex situation, but let me just say, that particular session with the Love Beings, although absurd and painful, was actually a turning point in her life.
The thing about Darcy is that, she was one of those people who was cursed by her own extreme beauty. Everyone wanted her for that, and not for who she was inside. Her physical appearance was like an extremely bright light that blotted out anything else -- it wasn't her fault, nor the fault of most of the men who dated her, though some of them were probably just plain old jerks. But she dated some nice guys, too, and, for whatever reason, I think because the relationship started out with such extreme focus on phyiscality, it was destined to fail.
The Love Beings session prompted Darcy to start contemplating the nature of things on a more deep level. For example, she began to ponder the concept of love itself. Just what is love? It is real, or just a human construct -- a concept? Does love exist independently in the universe as a force in and of itself? What are the spiritual dimensions of love?
Darcy felt she had to find out about her own "love constructs." As I said, my cousin was a Zen monk, but he went back to Poland shortly after the Love Being Session. But as it so happens, a friend of both mine and Darcy's happens to be one of today leading Zen scholars, and happens to be from our small home town. He is a Zen monk, has many best-selling books on the market today, and runs a Zen center ....
Anyway, Darcy decided to take up Zen meditation at our mutual friend's Zen Center, and spent 10 years there practicing intense meditation. To make a very long story short -- Darcy eventually got in touch with a greater reality -- the biggest breakthrough for her -- and Zen helped with this -- was letting go of the idea of "attainment" and "desire" for what she wanted.
Darcy discovered that the more one is obsessed with something, the harder it can be to grasp -- the tighter we squeeze, the more it slips through our fingers. She learned that love is not something that one can "have." Love is more like a grace that comes to us when we are ready to receive it. The most important thing for Darcy to do was completely abandon that which she wanted most -- a loving relationship. When she finally did -- when she finally genuinely expelled her intense desire to grasp what she thought she so much wanted -- she was free -- and shortly after that, she found love with a very terrific man.
One of the main lessons Darcy learned comes in the form of an old Zen aphorism: "The best way to control a cow is to give it a very large pasture."
I should say, I don't mean this story to be an endorsement of Zen Buddhism. I am not a Buddhist, although I have practiced Zen mediation since 1981, bascially as a hobby. But I think there are many ways, and universal concepts that we all can get in touch with to help make sense of our reality.
Today, Darcy still thinks fondly of the Love Beings. They set her on the path. And I wonder: Was this their motive all along? Did they concoct their bizarre solution to get Darcy to do what she had to do? Who knows. We live in a strange universe -- that's for sure.
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Jul 14 2007, 06:31 PM
QUOTE(Risov'Misa @ Jul 5 2007, 11:24 PM)
Well, since people here are so interested in the messages from 'spirits', this is a message I have received from an entity that is tired and pissed off from all the questions that is dealt out when the 'summoner' already knows the answers to.
"""I am so freaking sick and tired of all these humans catching and making all these entities of various dispositions and origins to come and talk to them and answer their god damned inane questions that these entities don't even give a god damned sh** about anyways. And yet humans, in their infinite ego, seem to think that everyone cares about their RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS and are there to answer their questions about the universe, which is completely limited in scope anyways,. Why should some lost deity, why should some poor straggler, some random entity in some far off dimension who is just going about his god damned business, maybe he is even just going to his job, care about answering some god damned humans insane questions through a ****ing primitive medium such as a Ouija board>! Do any ****ing humans ever consider the inconvenience that they are putting on any of these entities? Some entities can leave, but some humans ****ing MAKE them stay there until they are done making the poor thing answer all of their god damned questions. And half the time. No, more than half the time. 98.9999999% of the god damned times the humans don't even have the mental comprehension to understand what the hell these beings are saying to them, so their consciousness makes up some ****ing words and slaps it together and these god damned humans consider it to be the freaking gospel and gods god damned law. Who the hell gave these people the right to stop innocent entities, going about their business, and ask them a bunch a questions that half of them DON'T even UNDERSTAND? And why does EVERY HUMAN think that entities on the 'OTHER SIDE' which, I assure you, there are TRILLIONS of 'OTHER SIDES' than just the 'OTHER SIDE' that humans ****ing group together into one large 'if you're not corporeally in front of me, YOU MUST BE DEAD!'s 'other side', know what the hell is going on -HERE.- and if they DO understand what the hell is going on -HERE.- then why the hell would they care about answering questions about someone's ****ing relationship? I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT ANYONE ELSE'S RELATIONSHIPS, WHY WOULD SOMETHING THAT LIVES IN ANOTHER DIMENSION AND HAS NO ****ING CLUE WHO PETER IS FROM PAUL, LET ALONE UNDERSTAND HUMAN EMOTIONS ****ING CARE? FURTHER MORE not EVERYTHING that exists has HUMAN EMOTIONS. If you have HUMAN RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS, ASK A ****ING HUMAN FOR sh** SAKES! WE DON'T CARE!!!
The universe isn't humans playground, all 'entities' that are curious about contacting humans are not their personal slaves that exist soley to answer their inane questions that are MEANINGLESS.
Why do humans think that everything bugging them is soooooo god damned important? Is it important to you that I have to deal with late-fee's cause I'm routinely late in dropping off movies? NO? WELL **** YOU TOO! It's just completely assinine and retarded that humans have to subject US, even those living in the flesh, but are not humans, to answer such ego based, introverted questions. Go ask a god damned psychic about these things. They're the ones making money on dipsh**s that don't have any stock in COMMON SENSE. NEWS FLASH, WE DON'T CARE THAT CINDY IS CHEATING ON TYLER WITH ****ING CODY. NO-ONE DOES!"""
Hey Risov. No offense but that was utterly annoying to read. It was rudundant and repetitive. With all that explicit content, it burned my eyes and frustrated me to no end. Anybody on this earth can be a b****y whiner, who loves to complain and just be negative, so if infact that "spirit" feels this way, I don't see the point in caring because it's just another opinion.
Risov Misa
Jul 16 2007, 10:08 PM
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Hey Risov. No offense but that was utterly annoying to read. It was rudundant and repetitive. With all that explicit content, it burned my eyes and frustrated me to no end. Anybody on this earth can be a b****y whiner, who loves to complain and just be negative, so if infact that "spirit" feels this way, I don't see the point in caring because it's just another opinion.
Obviously you only saw the 'negative' comments rather than the information that is given in that message. It is obviously frustrated with the way some people treat spirits, in their vain and egotistic reasons. It may not have appealed to the 'sugar coated' side that most people like to read, but it is at least honest and real. Human emotions and thoughts don't always matter in the scheme of things, they are not begin all, end all. And no, anger and frustration is not only reserved for just 'humans' either.
Risov Misa
Jul 20 2007, 08:58 PM
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The one with the spirit spouting all the profanities.
Yes that one.
I call B.S. That wasn't any sort of a spiritual connection, that was your brain connecting with your keyboard.
Yes, and the ones that are candy coated just couldn't possibly be painted with lies.
You've no idea where and who that message came from, and you don't have much of a idea of what my writing style is either. Sorry.
There was more information in that message than many channeled messages that I've read, and you've no idea how things are and what spirits are subjected to. There are reasons why it said what it did, and obviously not many people understand those reasons.
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I wonder if any of my X's refer to me as: A SHIMMERING TESTAMENT TO HER GREAT CAPACITY TO CREATE LOVE! ??....
