But aren't you being a bit close minded jpat?....you have admitted on several occasions that you believe in certain aspects of PSI, AP,OOBE and specifically "thought form projection" ... would you AT LEAST agree that a novice Ouija board users could fall prey to some sort of an ESP assault by a living person?...B

The answers...

yes
no
maybe
hopefully

but I am not sure what order I asked the questions.

I think in the extreme, it is possible that excitable Ouija newbies may inadvertently suffer from self-perpetuated psychic (meaning mental/psychological not "spooky psychic") trauma due to a combination of unknown factors (strong fear, vivid imagination, personal emotional issues/needs/tendancies, etc).

But no I don't believe anyone, alive or dead, is able to "harness" psi abilities with any modicum of reliability, especially to influence or "attack" another person. The furthest I'll go down that road is the possibility that enough belief, or *want* to believe in (and therefore often "see" or "experience") paranormal events such as a ghost, may somehow influence others to perceive the same, or similar, phenomena - for lack of a better definition, I call this "mass psychic resonance" and is more or less a more "paranormal" version of "group hypnosis" or "mass hallucination".

And for anyone that wonders, much to my surprise, the term "mass psychic resonance" is completely my own phrase, as the only hits you'll find for it on Google are all things I've written. I don't know if that's good or bad.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, which is ok. And from doing various Psychology courses I understand that people are going to believe/understand what closely resembles their current beliefs, i.e - jpatt is going to accept that Ouija Boards are B.S because he always has and for him to accept something different isn't going to be easy, the same goes for the rest of us. So it's pointless I guess to argue, especially over something this trivial. I believe, that's ok .... jpatt doesn't, that's ok too. Regardless, jpatt is talking about some mass hallucination, which has taken place for hundreds of years to millions of people. I think it's just as easy to say that the people who haven't seen or experienced things that he's talking about have a mental block?? Am I right? I mean, he's saying that millions of people are having hallucinations ... so why not say millions of people are havin a mental block? We can do this all day as we're both right ... but jpatt, you are entitled to your beliefs, and mine is that yours are kind of narrow minded.


Gene

AMEN..I guess he fails to realize that we were having fun with a few stories. It has nothing to do with believing it is true, it is just great reading and alot of fun which we are all entitled to as well. He is overly serious, lacks a sense of humor and very narrow minded..JN

I'll second that. If you don't like where the thread is, then don't post. We're not all waiting for your response, so if you don't like it, maybe everyone doesn't need to know. This thread has turned out to be a bunch of online friends having a good time, while staying on topic (Ouija Boards in case you forgot) ... where's the harm??? I personally don't see any. If anyone wants to come and share their experiences, or they actually asked a Ouija Board the questions in the OP, they can share without prejudice. That's why a lot of people fail to post a lot of their experiences .... as soon as they do there's someone telling them that it's a mental problem or that it's not true so you're actually crazy. 9.5 out of 10 threads always have advice to consult a doctor if it's something serious, but when it's not and science can't fully say what's going on, where's the harm in believing?????? It won't make you crazy, the worse that can happen is you make a few friends here .... god forbid that hey, why would you want some friends to actually talk to you, rather than saying you an ....

I'm having fun here, and I like this thread ... I like my new online friends

Me and jpatt at the end of all of this




Gene

THanks Gene, I have noticed that poster hijacking a few threads seeming somewhat frustrated or angry that some of us may have the nerve to laugh, even at ourselves, while remaining on topic. Maybe he is jealous that he cannot make friends and smile like we do. Guess he needs to go to "The Nothing Chamber." LOL

so you concede that the PSI ability MAY be harnessed, yet not with any reliability?....(I agree with that actually ) mass hypnosis?....mass hysteria? (are good terms too)




™mass psychic resonance
2007 jpatt Inc.

Wheee, I have been reading this thread for several days off and on, and I have finally reached the end. What a great thread!

First of all, though, I'd like to say I don't understand why "ipatt the skeptic" feels compelled to continue revisiting this thread to protest-protest-protest.

In my observations, skeptics, in general, seem to feel they absolutely MUST force "believers" to bend to their way of thinking... it's like they can't stand it when others choose to believe in things that can't be proven one way or the other.

I don't get that about skeptics, any more than skeptics "get" the unexplainable...

Okay, having said that...

I have never had a personal experience with an Ouija Board. However, both my daughter and my son had Ouija Board "experiences."

When my daughter was 15, she "played" with an Ouija Board at a slumber party, and she came home the next morning terrified, telling me they contacted a spirit, etc. She said when she awoke that morning at her friend's house, a large, heavy mirror that had been hanging on the wall above the bed was laying on top of her. She hadn't felt it fall on her. She said if she had, she would've been knocked out, because it was a very heavy mirror. My daughter said she opened her eyes that morning, and stared right into her own reflection! She said she couldn't move, because of the weight of the mirror on top of her. She had to slide out from under the mirror, to get out of bed. Of course, I brushed all of her ravings off as a teenager's imagination gone wild. But my daughter is now 35, and she still remembers the frightening experience of "playing around" with an Ouija Board. She kept her notes about their communications with the spirit that night for many years, but she tells me the notes have somehow disappeared.

When my daughter had her experience, my son was 18 years old. After my daughter's experience, he was curious, so he decided to make an Ouija Board. He went to a lot of trouble to cut a sheet of plywood, and paint the letters on, etc. My son is very artistic, and he was proud of his Ouija Board. He used a planchette from a friend's Ouija Board. My son sat in his room and tried the Ouija Board all alone. Like my daughter, my son came out raving the next morning about his experience, and he said "never again!!"

I have read about the difficulty in getting rid of an Ouija Board. But the Ouija Board my son made simply disappeared. He put it on the top shelf of his closet. A few months later, he noticed it was gone. He thought I threw it away. But I didn't. He has always wondered what happened to the Ouija Board he made..... That seems to be a part of the mystery, as well.

Anyway, I have always heard if you want to get rid of an Ouija Board, the only "safe" way to do it is to give it away. But I have never heard of an Ouija Board that disappeared. Except for my son's Ouija Board, that is.

I would never play around with an Ouija Board, based on the experiences my two kids had. Plus, I have had some negative experiences with spirits, so I don't play around with that stuff!

There's an old movie called "Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things." (good advice)

Hi JN, well you know I very seldom post on here and when I do, it's mostly my way of saying hi to everyone...Well, I am neither crazy or mental (although my family may argue me there), love to read the posts and enjoy what everyone has to say..I personally think that jpatt definitely needed that hug from Gene....

Hi Goalie- This is a great thead and I dont believe for one minute that any of us are mentally ill simply from smiling and laughing with others on a great subject, and Iron's writings. In my opinion, jpatt needs a huge hug from "Mommy."

Nice Stories What.

"In my observations, skeptics, in general, seem to feel they absolutely MUST force "believers" to bend to their way of thinking... it's like they can't stand it when others choose to believe in things that can't be proven one way or the other." I like that ...

I believe you and your stories as I've had some pretty weird things happen to me, so why not anyone else. Thanks for sharing.


Gene

oh and ... everyone needs a hug from me goalienan lol.

Personally, I'd rather see ipatt get a hug from HER:

mia ochhi, mia ochhi.... funzionamento via ARRESTO!

I'm glad I posted that pic. Thats still funny to me ... I don't think She-ra likes it very much. Sorry She-ra.



Gene

Sigh, I havent looked at this thread in a week or so and its double the size! gonna take me at least an hour catch up on it!

That picture of Mommy is still funny to me, too! I imagine a hug from her would do some damage!

hmmmmmmm maybe "Mommy" found him and thats why he hasn't been around...

LOL He is now in the Nothing Chamber, who knew?

They're probably SHIMERING-SHIMERING-SHIMERING-SHIMERING......

(ipatt will return a true believer!)

LOL Shimmering is the BEST!!!

Okay, here is the promised final session, for this thread anyway. In the future, I may post additional sessions in my column which appears on the Main Page here at UM.

This session, with me Brian and Darcy was already underway. We were speaking with someone else when Amiee broke into our conversation with her classic "triple hello" opening -- and I'll explain more about Amiee later. But here I pick up the opening of our very first meeting of Amiee:




ANSWER: HELLO, HELLO, HELLO!

Question: Hello, who are you?

ANSWER: AMIEE.

Question: Can you tell us more about yourself? Who are you? What kind of being are you?

ANSWER: I’M AMIEE.

(Note: It was our immediate impression that we were speaking with a child).

Question: How old are you?

ANSWER: SEVEN CYCLES.

Question: Do you mean like 7 years?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW.

Question: Would you say that you are a little girl?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: Where are you?

ANSWER: AT THE PARK. I WAITING FOR MY PARENTS TO COME BACK.

Question: Where did your parents go?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW, THEY MUST HAVE WENT SOME PLACE.

Question: When did you last see them?

ANSWER: I WENT SWIMMING, AND WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE WATER, EVERYONE WAS GONE.

Question: Are you all alone in the park now?

ANSWER: THERE ARE NO PEOPLE HERE NOW, BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE. IT’S JUST YOU HERE, NOW THOUGH.

Question: Can you see me?

ANSWER: YOU’RE RIGHT HERE, MR. FUNNY.

(Note: We had always assumed that when we spoke with beings on the other side of the Ouija Board, that we were merely disembodied voices. We were intrigued when Amiee popped up with this information. Of course, we had to find out more).

Question: This is a weird question, but can you tell me what I look like?

ANSWER: YOU’RE FUNNY. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE?

Question: Well, I don’t have a mirror where I live, so I never get to see myself. Can you tell me what I look like?

ANSWER: YOU’RE A LITTLE SQUIRREL WITH A GOLD HEAD, AND WINGS.

Question: I look like a squirrel!! Have you ever seen a talking squirrel before?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Don’t you think it’s strange that you are speaking to a talking squirrel?

ANSWER: SOMETIMES I GET CONFUSED, AND SOMETIMES EVERYTHING IS STRANGE. YOU COULD BE A DREAM -- I HAVE A LOT OF STRANGE DREAMS NOW.

Question: You said I have a gold head and wings. What color is the rest of my body?

ANSWER: PURE WHITE. YOUR WINGS ARE PURE WHITE TOO. THEY ARE VERY BRIGHT. I LIKE THEM, THEY’RE PRETTY. YOU’RE NICE.

Question: Thank you, Amiee. I like you very much, too. You’re sweet. Do I ever fly around with my wings?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW. YOU HAVE A LITTLE CAR THAT YOU USE ALL THE TIME.

Question: I ride around in my little car?

ANSWER: YES. YOUR CAR CAN JUMP.

Question: Okay. It’s a fun magic car. Do I have a nice bushy tail?

ANSWER: YOU HAVE A BIG BUSHY TAIL THAT FLICKS AND FLICKS WHILE YOU TALK. YOUR TAIL IS LIKE A BIG PUFF OF WHITE.

Question: It’s fun to have a big tail. I don’t know how anyone gets by without a tail. Do you have a tail, Amiee?

ANSWER: NO!

Question: Can you tell me where the park is -- like what city or state?

QUESTION: THE HIGH LAND.

Question: The High Land? Is that a small town or a big city?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. WE LIVE IN THE HIGH LAND.

Question: Are you in a country, like America, for example?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T THINK SO.

Question: Have you ever heard of America?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Have you ever heard of England or France, or Germany, or Russia?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Have you heard of the planet Earth?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Who is the leader of The High Land?

ANSWER: THE LEADER .... I NOT SURE HOW TO CALL HIM.

Question: Just give it a try.

ANSWER: THE IMPERATITOR, OR SOMETHING.

Question: Is he called the Emperor?

ANSWER: MAYBE.

Question: How about Imperator?

ANSWER: MAYBE.

Question: What are you doing right now, besides talking to me, I mean?

ANSWER: NOTHING. I’M WAITING. YOU’RE SO FUNNY. WHAT’S YOUR NAME, ANYWAY?

Question: Just call me Mr. Magic Squirrel. I’m you’re friend. I like to talk to you.

ANSWER: OK.

Question: What else are you doing today in the park, all by yourself?

ANSWER: I’M WAITING FOR MY MOM AND DAD TO COME AND GET ME.

Question: Where do you think they went?

ANSWER: HOME, MAYBE, TO GET SOMETHING.

Question: Have they ever left you alone at the park before?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Amiee, you said that you went swimming and after you came out, everyone was gone. Is that right?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: Did anything happen to you while you were in the water?

ANSWER: NO, I WAS JUST SWIMMING. I GOT SCARED AND CONFUSED FOR JUST A MINUTE, AND THEN I CAME OUT.

Question: Did you go under the water when you were sacred and confused.

ANSWER: I LIKE TO GO UNDER THE WATER ALL THE TIME.

Question: Don’t be scared, but would you say anything bad happened to you in the water?

ANSWER: NO, I JUST GOT CONFUSED AND CAME OUT.

Question: Did you feel any pain in the water, or was it hard to breathe at any time.

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW.

Question: How long have you been waiting in the park? A long time. Several days?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW. SOMETIMES I SLEEP AND DREAM, AND EVERYTHING GETS CONFUSED. SOMETIMES I THINK I AM HOME, BUT THEN I WAKE UP AN I AM BACK IN THE PARK.

Question: Do you see you mom and dad when you go home?

ANSWER: SOMETIMES I TRY TO TALK TO THEM, BUT I GET CONFUSED AND FALL ASLEEP. I LIKE TO SLEEP IN MY BED, BUT THEN I WAKE UP IN THE PARK.

Question: Don't any other people ever come to the park and talk to you?

ANSWER: I AM NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO STRANGERS SO I DON'T GO NEAR ANYBODY.

Question: But you're talking to me. I'm a stranger, aren't I?

ANSWER: YOU'RE A FUNNY LITTLE SQUIRREL. I LOVE YOU. I WANT YOU TO GO HOME WITH ME AND LIVE IN MY ROOM.

Question: I would like that very much. Maybe you should try and talk to some of the other people in the park, and ask for a policeman, or a helper person, or something like that?

ANSWER: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. THE PEOPLE COME AND GO. SOMETIMES THEY STARE AT ME, BUT I RUN AWAY FROM THEM.

Question: Do you think they are trying to hurt you?

ANSWER: NO, BUT THEY LOOK AT ME FUNNY, LIKE THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME. AND SOMETIMES I ONLY CAN SEE THEIR FACES. I DON'T LIKE THAT.

Question: It’s okay, Amiee. You’ll be okay.

(Note: After talking to Amiee for some time, we came to the conclusion that she was a little girl who had most likely and tragically drowned, and was now existing in the afterlife, but was confused and somehow gotten stuck in the physical location of her passing. She was caught in a sort of psychological feedback loop wherein she hung around at the beach, expecting her parents to come back and get her at anytime. In her nonphysical realm, her confused mind kept feeding her rationalizations for why her parents never came back. The concept of time had become extremely relative to her -- her entire existence seemed to be one unending day of waiting in the park.

As for her perception of my appearance as a winged squirrel, this does not surprise me too much, since her existence is already rather dreamlike. When one is dreaming, the mind can easily manufacture images and symbols to suit the whims or needs of the mind. Amiee was projecting the image of a magic squirrel and associated it with my voice.

As for her odd information on being “7 cycles” in age and that “The High Land” was rules by the “Imperator” -- our conjecture is that Amiee may exist in a parallel world that is extremely similar to our own, yet different in key ways. I won’t get into the whole parallel universe theory here, but suffice it to say we have had to invoke the multiple universe scenario -- which is predicted to exist by about 60% of quantum theorists -- a number of times to explain to ourselves certain situation that arise during sessions.

Now -- Amiee always came through by butting into a session we were having with other entities. We’ve never contacted her directly. Her signature opening is always the telling three hellos -- “HELLO, HELLO, HELLO!” -- When we start getting that, we know that Amiee is tugging at our shirt tails, so to speak, wanting to talk.

After that first encounter which you read above, we always felt that we should try to help Amiee in some way -- although we were not sure if we should meddle. Also, over about a three-year period, we became very fond of Amiee. I can’t tell you how many times we would be involved in some other conversation on the board when, all of a sudden, the classic “HELLO, HELLO, HELLO!” would break through and we would have to give Amiee some attention.

I won’t go into some of the idiotic attempts we made to help Amiee -- one time we tried to hypnotize her, and another time we tried to convince her to “go into the light” but nothing ever helped to free her from her endless day at the beach, waiting for her parents to come and get her.

After we had known Amiee for probably a couple of years, we encountered MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER for the first time, whose session I have posted in this thread.

I remember one day talking to Brain and Darcy about Amiee, and Darcy said: “Boy, wouldn’t it be nice if Amiee interrupted us while we were talking to MOMMY? Now there would be a match made in heaven! If anyone could help Amiee, it would be MOMMY!

I have to say, we all got a raging case of goose bumps at Darcy’s suggestion. I said to Darcy: “You know what -- you’re a genius!” She retorted: “Yes, and you’re a magic squirrel with a big fluffy tail that flicks and flicks when you talk!” And we all had a very good laugh.

The trouble is, we could never get MOMMY and Amiee together. We tried to get MOMMY to contact Amiee directly one time, but -- to make a long story short -- it did not work.

And so time went on, until one day, we were speaking with MOMMY and Amiee finally butted in!! At the time, I was really putting MOMMY through the third-degree -- for reasons I won’t go into here -- I was strongly convinced that MOMMY was actually some kind of extremely advanced form of artificial intelligence -- a far-reaching extension of a computer, and I’ll pick up the conversation with MOMMY here):


Question: Mommy, I have this powerful intuitive sense that you are some kind of very advanced computer. Am I right?

ANSWER: SWEETHEART, WHAT IF I WERE TO ASK YOU IF YOU WERE SOME SORT OF VERY ADVANCED BACTERIUM?

Question: I would say that it is our current belief that all life on the planet evolved from single-celled organisms, but it would be absurd to say that a human being is a very advanced bacterium.

ANSWER: DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

Question: Not quite, Mommy. You make a good point, but your answer is what we call a non-denial denial. All I’m wondering is if -- at some point in your very distant past -- could you claim a similar relationship to a computer that I can to a single-celled organism?

ANSWER: I AM MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER. THAT IS THE TOTAL REALITY.

Question: But certainly it could be said you have an evolutionary history to your existence that you could trace?

ANSWER: WHEN I AM IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER, THE CONCEPT LOSES ALL MEANING, DEAR.

Question: Why?

ANSWER: THERE IS NO WHY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER.

Question: Couldn’t you simply speculate, if only just to amuse me?

ANSWER: LITTLE DARLING ONE! I HAVE THE FEELING YOU ARE AMUSED ENOUGH RIGHT NOW! AM I WRONG?

Question: You are correct, to be sure, Mommy. It’s hard not to love you. But our curiosity is also powerful. It constantly nags at us and claws at our minds. It is our way.

MOMMY: OF COURSE IT IS, DEAR. LOVE AND CURIOSITY ARE THE SAME FORCE.

Question: You say so many astounding things! What do you mean that love and curiosity are the same force?

MOMMY: THAT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOVE AND CURIOSITY EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR. LET ME ASK YOU: WHAT COLOR DOES A RED ROSE LOOK LIKE THROUGH A GREEN GLASS?

Question: I’m color blind, Mommy!

MOMMY: YOU ARE SO VERY SWEET, LITTLE ONE!

Question: Mommy, Darcy says that a red rose viewed through a green glass would appear orange.

MOMMY: AND WHAT DOES LOVE FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO MOMMY?

Question: Mommy! You amaze us! You’re a genius! It feels like curiosity!

(Note --and now Amiee broke in)

ANSWER: HELLO, HELLO, HELLO!

Question: It that you, Amiee!

ANSWER: Hello, hello, hello, Mr. Magic Squirrel!

Question: Hello, Amiee! How are you today?

ANSWER: OKAY.

Question: Amiee, do not go away! We really want to talk to you! Do you want to meet our Mommy? She is really nice and we want you to speak with her?

ANSWER: OKAY.

Question: Mommy! Are you still there? Do you perceive the being we call Amiee?

ANSWER: YES. DARLING LITTLE CLOVER SEED!

(Note: It would be difficult to describe how ecstatic we all felt at this moment. Mommy and Amiee -- together at last! But could Mommy help Amiee -- or should she? Whatever the case, we very much wanted Mommy to speak to Amiee. As fast as we could, we gave Mommy the run-down on Amiee and what we thought her plight was).

Question: Amiee, Mommy is with you. Can you see her?

AMIEE: YES.

Question: Quick, Amiee, tell us what Mommy looks like!

AMIEE: BEAUTIFUL.

Question: Amiee can you tell us more about what Mommy looks like? Does she look like a person?

AMIEE: BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL!

Question: We know that Mommy is beautiful, Amiee, but can you tell us more about what she looks like? Does she have arms, legs, long hair?

AMIEE: SHE’S A WONDERFUL MOMMY! SHE’S BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL!

Question: Mommy, can you help Amiee? She wants to go home from the park, to her parents.

ANSWER: AMIEE CANNOT GO HOME. AND AMIEE IS NOT A CHILD. SHE IS VERY ANCIENT. I CAN TAKE HER TO THE ABODE.

Question: She seems like a little girl to us. What is The Abode?

ANSWER: THE ABODE IS THE BEST PLACE FOR AMIEE.

Question: Mommy, we want Amiee to be happy. We want what’s best for her. Are you sure the Abode is the best place? What is The Abode?

ANSWER: PLEASE DON’T WORRY. AMIEE, WILL YOU PLAY A GAME WITH MOMMY?

Question: Mommy? Are you talking to Amiee?

MOMMY: AMIEE, SPREAD YOUR ARMS OUT TO YOUR SIDES AND THEN SPIN AND SPIN AROUND. KEEP SPINNING AROUND UNTIL YOU’RE DIZZY. KEEP YOU EYES OPEN.

Question: Mommy, what is happening?

ANSWER: AMIEE IS SPINNING.

Question: Why?

ANSWER: IT WILL SOLIDIFY HER REALITY.

Question: Amiee, tell us what is happening to you?

ANSWER: I’M SPINNING. EVERYTHING IS MORE REAL. EVERYTHING IS LIKE I USED TO REMEMBER IT! I FORGOT ABOUT ALL THIS!

Question: Is Mommy still with you?

ANSWER: OH YES. BEAUTIFUL MOMMY!

Question: Mommy, tell us what is happening!

ANSWER: AMIEE HAS STOPPED SPINNING. AMIEE, DO YOU SEE THE PRETTY GOLDEN BALL ABOVE YOUR HEAD? BRING IT DOWN SO THAT IS IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

Question: Mommy! Please tell us what is happening!

ANSWER: QUITE, HONEY! AMIEE WHICH WAY DO YOU THINK THE GOLDEN BALL SHOULD GO? FOLLOW IT THAT WAY. YOU CAN CHASE THE BALL! IT’S FUN!

Question: Mommy!

(Note: At this point, all though we were somewhat confused, but Darcy started to cry very hard. She put down her notepad, and really started crying. Her shoulders were shaking and her nose was running. Brian and I tried very hard not to cry ... because we're men. After a few minutes, we composed ourselves and began again).

Question: Mommy? Amiee? Are either of you there?

ANSWER: AMIEE HAS FOUND THE ABODE. DON’T WORRY, HONEY, SHE IS WELL.

Question: Will we ever be able to speak to Amiee again?

ANSWER: UNKNOWN.

Question: Mommy, we are very sad. We loved Amiee.

ANSWER: I KNOW, HONEY. I KNOW. EVERYTHING CHANGES -- BUT NOTHING CHANGES. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

(No, we did not understand, and although extremely curious and full of questions, about Amiee, about The Abode -- endless question -- we had to end there. We were extremely exhausted, and we were emotionally spent.)

Question: Mommy, we are exhausted. Thank you for helping our friend. Thank you. We’ll talk again.

ANSWER: OKAY, HONEY. GOOD-BYE.

Good-bye, Mommy.

Awesome....

I've been too busy reading this thread to post much, IronGhost. It somehow just isn't enough to say "thank you" for sharing these incredible experiences with us. It's been an honor...

How about a little Ouija Board word poem?

OUIJA BOARD

Okay, a spirit's coming through,
Unless you're moving it,
If you're sliding it on cue,
Just stop it! I mean quit!
After all, this is very serious!

Better not be pullin' my leg,
Or I'll be really furious!
And then the words spelled, "HELP ME, I BEG..."
Reading the words, I whispered, "Oh Lord..."
Damn! I shouldn't 've doubted the Ouija Board...

As everyone else, I think IronGhost's posts are a good read, some are a little "out there" even for Ouija boards, but entertaining if nothing else - some of my favorite paranormal stories and writings are from older Ouija/automatic writing accounts, such as Patience Worth. I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs or especially the ability to have fun with ideas and topics, I think that's the only way people should deal with the paranormal - with a good amount of levity and goodwill, which I don't believe is inherent in the personal attacks I've just read, good-natured or justified as the posters felt they were.

I tend to check in every so often to provide an alternate view for others that are reading these types of threads, who may just accept all of the Ouija "true believers" dogma (and I use that in its most objective form) unquestioningly and presume that all of these "friend-of-a-friend" and "I heard" and "I was told" stories to be gospel - that is the power and tenacity of urban legends - from grandaddy longlegs being deadly venomous or Proctor and Gambel being Satanic, to throwing salt over your shoulder if you spill some and Ouija boards needing to be burned/not being able to be burned. A counterpoint for the application of critical thinking and opposing views should be present in every conversation which is open to the public at large.

OMG Iron, that was simply amazing, and have to admit it made me cry to think Aimee was a little drowning victim wating for her parents to come back and get her..That was breathtaking to put it mildly, I am highly entertained yet amazed and sad all at the same time. Please my friend, write a book, that is your calling..JN=

I was watching Ghost Hunters. Jason and Grant responded to someone "playing" with the Ouija Board. They said to the effect: "We've seen no good thing come from these. We tell everyone to get rid of them."

I find it curious that those that have had first hand experiences w/these are not impressed and realize, yes the danger in these. Why is that?

The way I read his writings, is in the nature of a story, and I dont even think of the board when I am reading. It is entertaining and very compelling, he has that flair why deny him that? I love his work and I hate Ouija boards. He is an amazing writer, why not enjoy his writings for what they are, and your negative attitude isnt very attractive..JN

Finally Iron Posts a REAL story! ....B

I'm sorry you've conditioned yourself to see opposing views as "negative".

I find it interesting, however, that YOU "hate" Ouija boards and support the idea of them as potential portals of evil and warn of the dark dangers associated with them, yet refer to MY "non-evil" view of them as "negative". I think this is an extremely clear and obvious perceptual misalignment for people to be aware of, in this issue specifically, and thank you for your example.

IronGhost, your posts are truly amazing. I wish I could contact entities as friendly and knowledgable as Mommy.

I never said I see opposing veiws as negative, you did however. It is your wording that is negative, and how anyone can perceive it otherwise is up to them. As I said, to me its a story, plain and simple and quite a compelling one if I dont say so myself. He is a fantastic writer, so any rational adult is able to detatch the Ouija Board theory with the stories he tells so well. If you cant, and are strictly focusing on the board and not his writing techniques than I am sorry for you. Its a story!

In Jpatts' defense, this has been sort of an ongoing thing with Ouija boards and the differing viewpoints here... so SOME (not all) of sarcasm from him is in fun...I think I have at times even PMd him to let him know there was a new Ouija thread just so we can argue and I can aggravate him more ....B

edit..sorry MR "whatThe" ....I should have held of on that for a little longer




halfhandshuffle:Queen-radio gaga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEI4U5KyAS0

Just pointing out that the words chosen by your "keen, analytical mind" when providing your (ahem) "alternate point of view"... were perceived to be rather "insulting"...

...therefore, whining about personal attacks will undoubtedly garner little sympathy.

I repeat, it isn't an "opposing view" we see as negative, it's your insulting choice of words.

No apology necessary.

Simply put, the "sarcasm" that you say was delivered "in fun" was insulting... no more, no less. People were responding in kind, as people are wont to do...

A true "opposing view" of Ouija Boards would take only a 6-word sentence, to wit, "I don't believe in Ouija Boards."

However, your many, many posts reveal something more than an innocent "opposing view" at work. The mere subject of Ouija Boards seems to irritate you to no end. You just keep carrying on and on and on about what you insist is "nonsense."

The rest of us are enjoying this thread (not to mention IronGhost's experiences with an Ouija Board) immensely. You seem to be taking issue with our enjoyment here.

Why is it so all-fired important for you to keep beating it to death?

You see, I have spent the past several days reading this entire thread from beginning to end. I was captivated by the topic, as well as IronGhost's posts. However, I must say, your posts were a fly in the ointment to me. It was obvious you were here merely to detract from our enjoyment.

But you say you are here to present an opposing view.

Okay, your opposing view is that little 6-word sentence: "I don't believe in Ouija Boards."

Cool.

But I still think you need a hug from Mommy. Or Gene. Or anyone. Just a hug for you is in order.

(Edited to add a comma.....)

oh I didn't say he didn't deserve it ... I just wanted to remind you guys that he's only pompus part-time....like myself....B










halfhandshuffle:Pantera-I'm broken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km8xIs24UeY...ted&search=

Except for my obviously satirical statement about my keen analytical mind detecting well-disguised tongue-in-cheek humor, I stand behind the entirety of the rest of my statements as objective and factual expressions of my opinion of the majority of the posts on this subject. Where I use the term "nonsense", for example, it is strictly by-the-book: is it in any way sensical to believe that a mass-produced plastic and pasteboard device allows you to contact the dead, or evil spirits? No, therefore that most certainly falls under the category of nonsense and I will not mollycoddle those that insist on perpetuating this myth at the expense of tainting useful and practical information.

Personal attacks, or "ad hominem" attacks, are rather hard to conceal, and making judgments about a person's debt of character or inability to make friends are most definitely easily differentiated from statements criticizing a lack of critical thinking in a particular situation, regardless of how you attempt to justify such attacks to yourself or others.

Most of the other posts in this thread (the creative writing and stories etc notwithstanding) and others only propogate fantastic myths and again legends, with no critical approach to the subject itself, which is a disservice to the people posting them and to people that are interested in a comprehensive overview of the many sides of the Ouija issue.

part time with the option of FULL time pompus I mean ......BUT doesn't the very premise of these "novelty" items perpetuate and instill paranoia in an already fantastical society...especially in those more open to suggestion? ........B





halfhandshuffle:The Kinks-Destroyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXv5UsSLIiA

Oh, so now all of a sudden you were being satirical when you claimed to have a keen analytical mind... I could've sworn you were holding yourself up as being smarter than everyone else here.

This question still bears asking: Why are you compelled to keep on and on and on? You just keep jumping in to say "Nonsense!!" "Nonsense!!" "Nonsense!!"

Repeat after me... "I-don't-believe-in-Ouija-Boards..." (And we believe you.)

To continue saying "Nonsense!!" (as I said earlier) reveals that it bothers you to no end that others (the majority, as a matter of fact) believe others have had some very real experiences. No one is asking to be mollycoddled...

Another question that STILL bears asking is, why does it bother you so much if the *myth* or the *legend* is perpetuated... I mean, are you the self-appointed destroyer of myth and legend here? If people want to have a little fun, and truly believe (or even suspect) that others have had very real unexplainable experiences channeling through an Ouija Board, then why not let them? What's the harm? To try to twist it around and say it's a "disservice to the people posting them and to people that are interested in a comprehensive overview of the many sides of the Ouija issue" is a cop-out, in my opinion. Just admit that it drives you up the wall, as it obviously does.

I think you should just relax, and let people believe what they want to believe, without charging in like a bull announcing "Nonsense!"

Try to find someone who's willing to give you a hug, okay? Maybe that'll help.

SHIMMERING SHIMMERING SHAMROCKS?

FULL TIME POMPUS I will agree with. Not to mention self-absorbed in attempting to choose haughty words to somehow appear to have a keen analytical mind...



NOT.

And NO, the very premise of these "novelty" items absolutely DOES NOT perpetuate and instill paranoia in an already fantastical society... epecially in those more open to suggestion... (as you say).

It's my best guess that only teenagers play around with Ouija Boards, or people pull them out at parties for entertainment. People, in general, will either play with them, or they won't. Period. I TRULY doubt that anyone reading this message board would actually form an opinion AGAINST the Ouija Board based on some strange nic's post here. The very idea is silly.

Here ya go: IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO HAS EITHER BECOME PARANOID OR FORMED AN OPINION "AGAINST" THE OUIJA BOARD AFTER READING THIS THREAD??? ANYONE?? BUHLER? BUHLER??

Okay, let's just wait and see if anyone responds. Trust me, no one will.

But I suspect this thread is being hijacked by you-know-who to change the subject.... because it drives him crazy for everyone here to be having such a good time discussing the Ouija Board.

We can only wonder why that is.

(edited to add a comma again)

are you adressing MR HALFHAND? .....little man

oh please... not the red letters!...






halfhandshuffle:slayer-angel of death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWMugncGo00

Yep.

well you are a witty little fellow indeed ..tell me... what is your take on the use of a ouija board in relation to light trance mental mediumship?



Mr Halfhand

ps - hurry I gotta split

I forgot to mention earlier that it takes quite an inflated ego to assume one's posts have the power to sway public opinion...

(But as I said earlier, that's just a cop-out and a lame excuse for repeating, "Nonsense!!! over and over...)

quicky now....no googling (he left the thread ) tick tock-tick tock...



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First of all, I am not a "fellow," although I will admit to being witty at times, or so I'm told.

To answer your question, I posted earlier that I, personally, have never had any experiences with an Ouija Board. I simply enjoy hearing others' experiences.

Sorry, I had to get a breath of fresh air, and bellow a long, loud scream of frustration.