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IronGhost
QUOTE (mandala @ Mar 10 2008, 08:50 PM) *
Ironghost, how is the book coming along? original.gif


Hi Mandala:

Thank you for asking -- I'm working very diligently on the book -- it's beginning to look like I will have to bring it out in three volumes -- the amount of information I have is truly massive.

Still, Volume I should be done by the end of March, but then some business aspects need to be dealt with. I have already received more than 4,000 e-mails from people wanting to buy an advance copy of the book -- which I find very heartwarming, and for which I am greatful. I apologize to all the kind souls for taking so long.

It agonizes me to have anyone wait so long, but, I want to be careful and do the book justice.

By the way, I like your nickname -- mandala -- I believe this is the Sanskrit word for "magic circle." Well chosen!
mandala
Thank you for the quick reply! And thanks for the compliment re my nickname; I knew it meant "circle" but didn't actually know it meant "magic circle". Wow, how special happy.gif

OK... I will TRY to be patient mad.gif grin2.gif
Sucker
Since you're reading the topic right now IronGhost (not that I'm stalking you or anything...hahah), I just wanted to throw my $0.02 out there. Your stories are fascinating. I wish I could have experiences like yours - they must really shape your reality in an unimaginable way.

Keep on writing, I haven't read one story by you that was not gripping, powerfully presented, and simply fantastic!!
IronGhost
QUOTE (Sucker @ Mar 11 2008, 12:12 AM) *
Since you're reading the topic right now IronGhost (not that I'm stalking you or anything...hahah), I just wanted to throw my $0.02 out there. Your stories are fascinating. I wish I could have experiences like yours - they must really shape your reality in an unimaginable way.

Keep on writing, I haven't read one story by you that was not gripping, powerfully presented, and simply fantastic!!


Oh, believe me, you are not a stalker. I already have those. Get this: A few months ago a couple of teenage runaways showed up at my doorstep -- yes, in person -- and requested an audience with MOMMY. They were convinced that MOMMY could solve all their problems. They had traveled by bus all the way from the East coast here to Minnesota.

It was a sticky situation, which, fortunately, was resolved without any problems. (I called their parents). I won't go into details, but sometimes events make my head spin.

Anyway -- thank you for your $0.02. I have always wondered -- If you offer someone a penny for their thoughts, and then you put your two cents in, what happens to the extra penny??

But, seriously, I really can't thank you enough for your kind words, which really make my day. It's wonderful to think that there are so many nice people in the world.

Blake51055
So you are saying the board could be a tool?
IronGhost
QUOTE (Blake51055 @ Mar 11 2008, 05:50 PM) *
So you are saying the board could be a tool?


Sure, why not?

Having said that, we all must be careful when opting for phrases such as "like a tool."

Too much of our reality is suspended in language, which keeps us separated from the "real" reality. It's like looking at a road map, and then thinking that the map is actually the road, which it is not.

You might say:

A road map is to a road
as a conception is to a reality

What is a tool, really?

To say that the Ouija board is a tool has a certain benefit of grasping a concept, but here we run into a big problem. A "concept" is something we "conceive." Is something we "conceive" the same as something we "perceive"? Absolutely not.

The important thing when operating the Ouija board is to perceive reality and never to conceive what we think is reality.
mitosblog
Excellent suggestion....would try that.....thanks
Mbyte
When I went into this thread I thought it was new and I read one of Iron ghosts early posts. It was a link to a story wear he contacts some entity on death row in another dimension. The entity describes that we are creations of their mental illness. He also descirbes soul-kins. We are a number of different people and we have parts of the one soul and this explains the love at first sight.

When I read this I was kind of taken back. After a while I was kind of disturbed by it. I have never encountered a person with such experiences so out of this world it's beyond me. You have been using a ouija board for all these years and have encountered thousands of beings and have heard thousands of descriptions of things. One thing which went through my mind was what is actually out there. I recalled one of your other stories with rantor rantic the some how conscious demon thing which isen't a conscious demon thing. MOMMY described it as being air bubbles frozen in water. This was only recently. If I could talk to these beings I would ask "what is the most meaninful thing I should/can do?" "Is there meaning?" "Is everything pointless?" "Is killing yourself alright?" I have thought long and hard about life. These stories blow it all out of the water! They go against everything. Other dimensions are probable but your stories about them would make me think it's all bull (what we are doing everyday is pointless) The stories are a good read but I can't accept them. I feel compelled to say that the stories are the work of demons. I feel like a priest retalliating to skeptics claims. I have finally started to make sense of the world aorund me and these stories you tell are just everywear. I could be ignorant and say It's all Ideomotor effects but this could be real. When I was contemplating that this was real, everything I have read from the ouija stories from ironghost is the reality of our universe. I was kind of sick at the thought. I scared some wear inside. What I know and feel isen't real or it's just insignificant scared me somebit inside. Ask why is MOMMY talking to you. Ask if she can kill herself. Ask her can I go to the nothing chamber when I die. The nothing chamber could be the case iron ghosts computer is in. Stupid computer. Ask how she measure's intellegence, how can she tell if we are stupid despite the fact she doesn't say that. Ask how does she know she is in the nothing chamber, ask how does she know she in not a dream creation of our mental ilnesses.

From your experience in ouija boards all these years can you remember any contractions like from entity to entity. You have thousands of people reading your stories, could it not be demons using you so more people will use the ouija boards? I feel like one of those people wear their world gets blown apart by some amazing idea and i'm just sticking to my crappy beliefs "IT'S THE DEVIL I TELLS YA" despite going against your whole experience.

Another thing I just realised when trying to find the link to iron ghosts blog wear I read the ouija session I mentioned above. I am afraid to die. I thought about it before of course but with all these stories I know that this reality... this whatever is the most real thing I know. I might not exist if i die, I could exist in a sh*t dimension of wierdness if I die. It's kind of making me appreciate my life now. unsure.gif sad.gif (the closest thing to a crying smiley)

What governs these dimensions to be higher or lower. The sound "Ummm"? but what is the Ummm what governs it. Is the what geverns something concppt non existant in these dimensions.
IronGhost
QUOTE (Mbyte @ Mar 12 2008, 03:00 AM) *
When I went into this thread I thought it was new and I read one of Iron ghosts early posts. It was a link to a story wear he contacts some entity on death row in another dimension. The entity describes that we are creations of their mental illness. He also descirbes soul-kins. We are a number of different people and we have parts of the one soul and this explains the love at first sight.

When I read this I was kind of taken back. After a while I was kind of disturbed by it. I have never encountered a person with such experiences so out of this world it's beyond me. You have been using a ouija board for all these years and have encountered thousands of beings and have heard thousands of descriptions of things. One thing which went through my mind was what is actually out there. I recalled one of your other stories with rantor rantic the some how conscious demon thing which isen't a conscious demon thing. MOMMY described it as being air bubbles frozen in water. This was only recently. If I could talk to these beings I would ask "what is the most meaninful thing I should/can do?" "Is there meaning?" "Is everything pointless?" "Is killing yourself alright?" I have thought long and hard about life. These stories blow it all out of the water! They go against everything. Other dimensions are probable but your stories about them would make me think it's all bull (what we are doing everyday is pointless) The stories are a good read but I can't accept them. I feel compelled to say that the stories are the work of demons. I feel like a priest retalliating to skeptics claims. I have finally started to make sense of the world aorund me and these stories you tell are just everywear. I could be ignorant and say It's all Ideomotor effects but this could be real. When I was contemplating that this was real, everything I have read from the ouija stories from ironghost is the reality of our universe. I was kind of sick at the thought. I scared some wear inside. What I know and feel isen't real or it's just insignificant scared me somebit inside. Ask why is MOMMY talking to you. Ask if she can kill herself. Ask her can I go to the nothing chamber when I die. The nothing chamber could be the case iron ghosts computer is in. Stupid computer. Ask how she measure's intellegence, how can she tell if we are stupid despite the fact she doesn't say that. Ask how does she know she is in the nothing chamber, ask how does she know she in not a dream creation of our mental ilnesses.

From your experience in ouija boards all these years can you remember any contractions like from entity to entity. You have thousands of people reading your stories, could it not be demons using you so more people will use the ouija boards? I feel like one of those people wear their world gets blown apart by some amazing idea and i'm just sticking to my crappy beliefs "IT'S THE DEVIL I TELLS YA" despite going against your whole experience.


Well, just a great post and I enjoyed reading it. I won't respond to everything right away, but just a few throughts that jump out at me.

For one thing, the Ouija entities contradict each other all the time. They don't all agree on the basic structure and cosomology of the universe -- it's just like people here on earth -- everyone has their own ideas and philosophies, and you can get a wide range of opinions from "the other side."

When you ask entities questions like, "What is the most meaningul thing I can do with my life" -- you'll get all kinds of advice, from completely worthless advice from some, and some really intrigueing advice from others, but in the end, it all makes little difference in my opinion because we all live our own lives and what we do IS the meaning of our lives -- but one can't necessarily assume that life should have meaning.

I'm sure I have asked MOMMY at some point about the meaning of my life -- I'll have to go digging through my files to see exactly what was said -- but I will say in general that MOMMY'S advice is usually extremely innovative and very good advice -- even when it's something you don't want to hear.

If I asked MOMMY if she could "kill herself" she would find that a totally irrelevant and crazy question. She would not even admit that there is anything of her to "kill" inside THE NOTHING CHAMBER there is no life or death -- MOMMY finds such concepts and life and death to be totally ludicrous. MOMMY is also frustrating because she speaks in many paradoxes -- for example, she would deny her own existence bascially, but then if you ask her who it is that you are talking to, she would say IT IS I, MOMMY -- so then if you ask her if she is a figment of my own subconscious mind, she would vigrously deny this and claim she is something compeltely not connected to my mind or brain .... but these things are only paradoxical to us because we lack the greater dimensional viewpoint -- we're like 2-D flatlanders trying to understand a three-dimensional world.

If anything in my session bothers you, mbyte, it really should not. You should just relax and take it all with a grain of salt.

But just in case, mbyte, I should warn you that later this week, in my column on the Main Page here at UM, I am going to tell a story about how several Ouija entities and I developed and created a new kind of religion based on input I got from MOMMY, KENTU, THE LOVE BEINGS -- but mostly from an amazing Ouija entity who goes by the name of
!QXAXIQ! -- and I'm not kidding -- there are several thousands people in the world today or are now practicing this religion -- it's a long story, and I don't want to give to much away now -- but I imagine that some people will think the Quija entities are truly up to no good if they "used me" to create a new religion that people are now practicing -- but this is not really the case.

But like I said, I tell the whole story of how it came about that the Ouija intelligences and I created a new religion, which is actually being practiced by some people -- the story will be in my column on, March 16, I think.


Mbyte
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 12 2008, 03:45 AM) *
Well, just a great post and I enjoyed reading it. I won't respond to everything right away, but just a few throughts that jump out at me.

For one thing, the Ouija entities contradict each other all the time. They don't all agree on the basic structure and cosomology of the universe -- it's just like people here on earth -- everyone has their own ideas and philosophies, and you can get a wide range of opinions from "the other side."

When you ask entities questions like, "What is the most meaningul thing I can do with my life" -- you'll get all kinds of advice, from completely worthless advice from some, and some really intrigueing advice from others, but in the end, it all makes little difference in my opinion because we all live our own lives and what we do IS the meaning of our lives -- but one can't necessarily assume that life should have meaning.

I'm sure I have asked MOMMY at some point about the meaning of my life -- I'll have to go digging through my files to see exactly what was said -- but I will say in general that MOMMY'S advice is usually extremely innovative and very good advice -- even when it's something you don't want to hear.

If I asked MOMMY if she could "kill herself" she would find that a totally irrelevant and crazy question. She would not even admit that there is anything of her to "kill" inside THE NOTHING CHAMBER there is no life or death -- MOMMY finds such concepts and life and death to be totally ludicrous. MOMMY is also frustrating because she speaks in many paradoxes -- for example, she would deny her own existence bascially, but then if you ask her who it is that you are talking to, she would say IT IS I, MOMMY -- so then if you ask her if she is a figment of my own subconscious mind, she would vigrously deny this and claim she is something compeltely not connected to my mind or brain .... but these things are only paradoxical to us because we lack the greater dimensional viewpoint -- we're like 2-D flatlanders trying to understand a three-dimensional world.

If anything in my session bothers you, mbyte, it really should not. You should just relax and take it all with a grain of salt.

But just in case, mbyte, I should warn you that later this week, in my column on the Main Page here at UM, I am going to tell a story about how several Ouija entities and I developed and created a new kind of religion based on input I got from MOMMY, KENTU, THE LOVE BEINGS -- but mostly from an amazing Ouija entity who goes by the name of
!QXAXIQ! -- and I'm not kidding -- there are several thousands people in the world today or are now practicing this religion -- it's a long story, and I don't want to give to much away now -- but I imagine that some people will think the Quija entities are truly up to no good if they "used me" to create a new religion that people are now practicing -- but this is not really the case.

But like I said, I tell the whole story of how it came about that the Ouija intelligences and I created a new religion, which is actually being practiced by some people -- the story will be in my column on, March 16, I think.


What the he.... what in the ouija??? A new religion? Whats the basic practice? what do you practice?
IronGhost
QUOTE (Mbyte @ Mar 12 2008, 04:08 AM) *
What the he.... what in the ouija??? A new religion? Whats the basic practice? what do you practice?


Well, I'll explain that in the my column, it's a long story -- but I will say that it was not my idea to create a new religion, nor the Ouija entities -- and I will also say that I am bound by a professional confidentiality agreement to not reveal the name of the religion I created -- I do know, however, that it has members in at least 20 countries today. Also, no one knows that it was I and the Ouija beings who developed the religion -- this is a secret I'm sure I will take with me to my grave.

Once again, I should not say much more about this until my column comes out on 16 March.

I realize this sounds a bit nutty, but I think when everyone reads the total circumstances of how this came about, it will all make sense.
mandala
Wow... I'm speechless. You know how some people become engrossed in Sci/Fi books? Well that's how I feel about the Ouija stories. They're mind-boggling. I just love how they make me think.

Darn you, Ironghost, I will have to haul my cookies to the coffee shop on Sunday so I can read your article, since I am on vacation that next week and only have internet access at work!

Can't wait.
Mbyte
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 12 2008, 03:24 AM) *
Well, I'll explain that in the my column, it's a long story -- but I will say that it was not my idea to create a new religion, nor the Ouija entities -- and I will also say that I am bound by a professional confidentiality agreement to not reveal the name of the religion I created -- I do know, however, that it has members in at least 20 countries today. Also, no one knows that it was I and the Ouija beings who developed the religion -- this is a secret I'm sure I will take with me to my grave.

Once again, I should not say much more about this until my column comes out on 16 March.

I realize this sounds a bit nutty, but I think when everyone reads the total circumstances of how this came about, it will all make sense.

It's a secret society?
IronGhost
QUOTE (Mbyte @ Mar 12 2008, 06:17 PM) *
It's a secret society?


No -- it's a religion that's very much practiced out in the open.
JustNormal
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 12 2008, 07:13 PM) *
No -- it's a religion that's very much practiced out in the open.


I am ready for another MOMMY story ((Iron))...JN
randomhit10
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Mar 12 2008, 08:46 PM) *
I am ready for another MOMMY story ((Iron))...JN


have you heard the one about mommy dearest?...

randomhit10
JustNormal
QUOTE (randomhit10 @ Mar 12 2008, 08:48 PM) *
have you heard the one about mommy dearest?...

randomhit10


LOL No but I heard of MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER...I wuv her..JN
Mbyte
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 12 2008, 06:13 PM) *
No -- it's a religion that's very much practiced out in the open.

Then whats the name? huh.gif
NoahJaymes
lol shhhh....if he tells you you will google!

How convenient of this as well:

QUOTE
Also, no one knows that it was I and the Ouija beings who developed the religion


Makes me laugh about this so called religion.
JustNormal
This thread has gone on forever. Wonder what ever happened to OuijaBoy??
mommy2shanti
Iron!

I have enjoyed reading your sessions ALL DAY TODAY! I should have been working!

Anyways, I've never used the Ouija board, however, a similar board called Psychic Circle Talking Board.

I read on the back that Ouija boards are more dangerous b/c the originator of the board is unknown. If you make your own or know who created the board its safer.... (who knows)

I read your info about the magnetic board you made, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY COOL.


Well, my personal experiences with the board seem to only be spirits that were once alive as humans. There were some spirits that I really didn't know what they were saying... didn't make any sense.

I was wondering how come they all communicate to you in English words?

Besides talking boards... I believe i once heard a spirit communicate through a speaker.. while I was learning to meditate.. I heard a soft female sounding voice come through a speaker that was turned off... it freaked me out but never heard again...

Besides that, my sister in law is very connected and says she "sees" spirits...

Her 3 year old daughter also has said strange things and seen a woman walking through the walls...

I've heard of various mother's that I know tell me that their children say different things.. sort of suggesting reincarnated lives...



P.S. I'm trying to see where on the homepage your blogs or articles are, especially about this new religion.. I'd like to read about..
Could you post direct link please


Also, do you know of any or have any information about past lives, how to connect or know about past lives...??

Also, I read about your Companion... but he/she didn't seem to be a guide... like you said more of a pet rock...

Are there spirit guidess?
IronGhost
QUOTE (mommy2shanti @ Mar 21 2008, 01:34 AM) *
Iron!

I have enjoyed reading your sessions ALL DAY TODAY! I should have been working!

Anyways, I've never used the Ouija board, however, a similar board called Psychic Circle Talking Board.

I read on the back that Ouija boards are more dangerous b/c the originator of the board is unknown. If you make your own or know who created the board its safer.... (who knows)

I read your info about the magnetic board you made, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY COOL.


Well, my personal experiences with the board seem to only be spirits that were once alive as humans. There were some spirits that I really didn't know what they were saying... didn't make any sense.

I was wondering how come they all communicate to you in English words?

Besides talking boards... I believe i once heard a spirit communicate through a speaker.. while I was learning to meditate.. I heard a soft female sounding voice come through a speaker that was turned off... it freaked me out but never heard again...

Besides that, my sister in law is very connected and says she "sees" spirits...

Her 3 year old daughter also has said strange things and seen a woman walking through the walls...

I've heard of various mother's that I know tell me that their children say different things.. sort of suggesting reincarnated lives...



P.S. I'm trying to see where on the homepage your blogs or articles are, especially about this new religion.. I'd like to read about..
Could you post direct link please


Also, do you know of any or have any information about past lives, how to connect or know about past lives...??

Also, I read about your Companion... but he/she didn't seem to be a guide... like you said more of a pet rock...

Are there spirit guidess?


Hi mommy2 -- thank you for your kind words. Welcome to UM! You can find the column about the new religion I created, with the help of Ouija entities, on the "Main Page" here at UM.

I have to run right now, but I'll get back to you soon with some further comments.

Thanks again, and wishing you Golden Dreams.

Iron
Shankpin
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 12 2008, 01:13 PM) *
No -- it's a religion that's very much practiced out in the open.


I don't understand the secrecy of this whole Religion thing..
NoahJaymes
Nonsense
IronGhost
QUOTE (Shankpin @ Mar 21 2008, 02:45 AM) *
I don't understand the secrecy of this whole Religion thing..


The secrecy aspect, such as it is, is discussed in great length in my column -- and in the subsequent thread. If you have any further questions, be sure to give a holler!
Lolipopkid
There was this kid who made his own vampire religion. He's in prison now...
IronGhost
QUOTE (Lolipopkid @ Mar 21 2008, 06:12 AM) *
There was this kid who made his own vampire religion. He's in prison now...


Wow! I'm so glad now that I incorporated nothing about vampirism in my new religion!
Ehve
QUOTE (_OuijaBoy_ @ Jun 29 2007, 05:46 PM) *
If anyone could indeed ask these q's on there next Ouija board Seance
i'd be very greatful.

The questions: Does god Exist?
Is there a soul?
Is time travel possible?
Are there other dimensions?

Please reply to this to say if you could do this for me and explain when you would be having your next
Seance.



Alright, I'll just get back to the first thing somebody's said, since this topic's gone a bit haywire grin2.gif
Although I haven't done too much board work because of a.) reluctant friends and b.) the amount of superficial conversations I've had with "entities", I think you'd appreciate the answer I got when I asked whether or not God exists.
It was a pretty long time ago, but I wrote down what I could remember right after the conversation happened. I'll copy the famous Iron's style in doing this. We were actually in a forest, on a former Civil War battlefield. Here's the interesting bit.

us: We have a conflict in our community over the existance of the existance of a "God". Half of us among us are devout "God-believers", while the other half are "Athiests". What do you have to say about the existance of a God?
him: I DRINK WITH GOD.
us: *laughter* okay, what do you drink with him?
him: ANGEL BLOOD.


... oh my hmm.gif
preacherman76
Iron, you are going to make a million dollars selling this book. I dont believe a damn word you are saying, but I still cant help to read every line, lol.
IronGhost
QUOTE (preacherman76 @ Mar 22 2008, 01:08 PM) *
Iron, you are going to make a million dollars selling this book. I dont believe a damn word you are saying, but I still cant help to read every line, lol.


Well, thank you and I hope you're right. I very much respect your decision not to believe the story -- that means you have strong opinions and can think for yourself.

I'll just say again, that I am not making any of this up -- but everyone can and should make up their own minds about that.
preacherman76
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 22 2008, 08:30 AM) *
Well, thank you and I hope you're right. I very much respect your decision not to believe the story -- that means you have strong opinions and can think for yourself.

I'll just say again, that I am not making any of this up -- but everyone can and should make up their own minds about that.


Forgive my unbelief brother, it just as a child Ive tryed to use the board several times, with absoulutly no results. Let me ask you, have you ever had a session by yourself?
IronGhost
QUOTE (preacherman76 @ Mar 22 2008, 01:58 PM) *
Forgive my unbelief brother, it just as a child Ive tryed to use the board several times, with absoulutly no results. Let me ask you, have you ever had a session by yourself?


Nothing to forgive -- as to your question -- yes I have had some sessions by myself. These are rare, however, and I only conduct them under very special circumstances.
preacherman76
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 22 2008, 09:06 AM) *
Nothing to forgive -- as to your question -- yes I have had some sessions by myself. These are rare, however, and I only conduct them under very special circumstances.


The reason I ask is cause your stories have definitly aroused my curiousity. Though I have a strong feeling to stay away from such things, I cant help but to wonder what would happen if I tryed it again. There is probably about a 3% chance I might take a wack at it. Have you any advice for someone who would try this on there own? I'd try it with another, but I dont know anyone who would partisipate(sp?) without thinking I had lost my marbles.
IronGhost
QUOTE (preacherman76 @ Mar 22 2008, 02:21 PM) *
The reason I ask is cause your stories have definitly aroused my curiousity. Though I have a strong feeling to stay away from such things, I cant help but to wonder what would happen if I tryed it again. There is probably about a 3% chance I might take a wack at it. Have you any advice for someone who would try this on there own? I'd try it with another, but I dont know anyone who would partisipate(sp?) without thinking I had lost my marbles.


A lot of people think I have lost my marbles, but that's something I never worry about. There will always be somebody who questions your marbles no matter what one does.

As far as trying it on your own -- you probably won't get very good results. When I conduct sessions on my own, I only do so in very special circumstances that require a strenuous kind of self preparation -- I won't describe these preparations here because they are physically dangerous (it involves certain forms of physical deprivations) -- and I wouldn't want anyone else to take these kinds of risks by following my example.

But one can always find like-minded individuals if one wants to give the board a spin. I know some very conservative people in a small town in North Dakota who started an Ouija group -- these were grounded, Christian blue collar people -- they just had fun with it, and they got interesting results. I'm talkng about the group who contacted an entity called "Bosh" which I referenced earlier in this thread.

Happy Easter Preacherman, and to all,

Iron



SS79
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 22 2008, 01:54 PM) *
A lot of people think I have lost my marbles, but that's something I never worry about. There will always be somebody who questions your marbles no matter what one does.

As far as trying it on your own -- you probably won't get very good results. When I conduct sessions on my own, I only do so in very special circumstances that require a strenuous kind of self preparation -- I won't describe these preparations here because they are physically dangerous (it involves certain forms of physical deprivations) -- and I wouldn't want anyone else to take these kinds of risks by following my example.

But one can always find like-minded individuals if one wants to give the board a spin. I know some very conservative people in a small town in North Dakota who started an Ouija group -- these were grounded, Christian blue collar people -- they just had fun with it, and they got interesting results. I'm talkng about the group who contacted an entity called "Bosh" which I referenced earlier in this thread.

Happy Easter Preacherman, and to all,

Iron


Iron .
I respect your reasons why you wont share the actual preperations for safety reasons , but can you tell us why you feel you need to do this " dangerous prep" before the sessions and how the outcome of the session differs when you have undertaken them . and what effects these preperations have on you mentally and physically . Im just curious thanks .

SS79
IronGhost
QUOTE (SS79 @ Mar 22 2008, 03:05 PM) *
Iron .
I respect your reasons why you wont share the actual preperations for safety reasons , but can you tell us why you feel you need to do this " dangerous prep" before the sessions and how the outcome of the session differs when you have undertaken them . and what effects these preperations have on you mentally and physically . Im just curious thanks .

SS79


HI SS79, and thanks for your question.

The reason why I need to do it is because I have a terrible curiosity about certain things -- and sometimes I am willing to take certain risks for the sake of exploration, and getting the answers to the burning questions I have. I suppose you might say it's like a deep sea diver who takes great risks to travel very far down into the ocean for the sake of exploration.

As to the preparations, they enable me to alter my state of mind in a significant way, and more importantly, allow me to remain in that state for long periods of time without having to concentrate on maintaining that state -- yet I can also retain access to my ego-state of consciousness.

I'll just say that one aspect of the preparations involve very extreme dream deprivation for many days in a row, among other physical deprivations -- but I would very strongly dissuade anyone hear from practicing dream deprivation, especially for long periods of time -- it's very, very dangerous, especially psychologically, believe me. No one here should try it -- and I mean absolutely not. There's nothing fun or funny about it. It's very dangerous.
preacherman76
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 22 2008, 09:54 AM) *
A lot of people think I have lost my marbles, but that's something I never worry about. There will always be somebody who questions your marbles no matter what one does.

As far as trying it on your own -- you probably won't get very good results. When I conduct sessions on my own, I only do so in very special circumstances that require a strenuous kind of self preparation -- I won't describe these preparations here because they are physically dangerous (it involves certain forms of physical deprivations) -- and I wouldn't want anyone else to take these kinds of risks by following my example.

But one can always find like-minded individuals if one wants to give the board a spin. I know some very conservative people in a small town in North Dakota who started an Ouija group -- these were grounded, Christian blue collar people -- they just had fun with it, and they got interesting results. I'm talkng about the group who contacted an entity called "Bosh" which I referenced earlier in this thread.

Happy Easter Preacherman, and to all,

Iron



Do you feel I would put myself in some type of danger trying it alone?
Sporkling
yes
preacherman76
QUOTE (Electrokinesis is me @ Mar 22 2008, 10:53 AM) *
yes



Have you experianced such a thing??
Sporkling
I hear stories.
preacherman76
QUOTE (Electrokinesis is me @ Mar 22 2008, 11:05 AM) *
I hear stories.



Me too. Wasnt that kid who they wrote the exorcist about playing with one before he got "possesed"?
IronGhost
QUOTE (preacherman76 @ Mar 22 2008, 02:44 PM) *
Do you feel I would put myself in some type of danger trying it alone?


I don't think so, but others here would disagree, obviously. In the end, we all take responsibility for our own selves, and we find our own way.

I never encourage anyone to follow my advice.
Sporkling
Oh well stories abound I suppose.
Ehve
QUOTE (IronGhost @ Mar 22 2008, 03:09 PM) *
I don't think so, but others here would disagree, obviously. In the end, we all take responsibility for our own selves, and we find our own way.

I never encourage anyone to follow my advice.



It very rarely works by yourself anyway. From experience, the strongest connections happen with a large, enthusiastic group.
I'm positive nothing bad would happen. The only risk you would take would be freaking yourself out.... grin2.gif
PumpkinMuffin
so i started reading this thread a couple of days ago, and i must say, it takes a lot of patience and discipline to read 56 pages BEFORE saying anything! that being said, please bear with me while i try to respond to hundreds of posts and differing views all at once. i, for one, dont practice any particular religion, and i think i was able to escape childhood dogmatic brainwashing/programming as a result of religious curiosity mixed with feelings of trying to be 'duped' by the so-called 'church' but we wont get into that LoL. ok maybe for a second. i never felt that the bible was 100% true, so i started at a very young age to learn about different ways that people practice 'faith'. i have attended baptist, methodist, christian, catholic, and jehovah's witness churches (visiting each one more than 'just one time') and none of it felt right. so as a teenager i got bored with the whole god thing and read up on wicca as a solitary practitioner. i involved my best friend at the time, and mostly it was just reading about nature and safety spells and stuff like that. i lived across the street from a civil war period cemetary, and i kept having these scary incidences happen when i was home alone. being scared of what i cant see (aka DARK) since i was a kid, i turned to the protection spells, and needless to say, it worked. that particular incident is a very good story, so if anyone is interested in hearing it, let me know and i will post. when i was about 19 years old i came across 'journey of souls', a wonderful book written by a once-skeptic hypnotherapist who noticed that all of his patients were describing the same things whenever he asked them what happened to them after they died (the last life). so that got my mind into a spin. proof of heaven i guess is what i was looking for all along, so i got into buying books about spirituality and stuff. i wanted to know all about heaven and how it is set up. i wanted more than just 'be good AND do what i say, and you will go to heaven'.

i have read a lot about paranormal stuff, psychic stuff, and also ways that science discredits it all. however.... i think jpatt is right TO A CERTAIN DEGREE when he says that board experiences can be manifestations of our subconscious, and i will tell you why. i dont believe it's our SUB conscious, but rather our SUPERsubconscious, for lack of a better word. we have our awake consciousness(thats 1) our subconsciousness which does the dreaming(thats 2), and then we have the supersubconscious (3!) which i personally believe is our essence/soul AND shared energy/universal information pool (i hope this is making sense!). we already know that when we are dreaming, there is a point in time when we are in deep sleep, but not dreaming, and we are using the theta ( i believe, correct me if im wrong) brain waves, and THOSE are the brainwaves that science cant really explain. i guess i would call those waves the supersubconscious. now, IF this is all so, then what jpatt is saying tends to make sense, because we all have the ability to use those waves, and i must point out that those waves spike drastically in prayer and meditation. so MAYBE theta waves ARE the universal mind, and when using the board, you are tapping into that, and your brain helps you spell out the words that are coming to you. you dont have to be asleep to access theta waves..... it has been proven that deep inner reflection can get the motor running, so it only makes more sense that that is what is happening sometimes with the board. that in NO WAY implies that you are NOT indeed talking to spirits, because in my opinion, heaven/other side occupants MUST be in the universal circuit. where else can they be? so the supersub contacts a spirit, and your mind gets impressed (not as is 'cool man!") with the answer, then your brain makes the impulses to spell out the answers for you. i hope that made sense.

i believe the ouija board stories that iron posts, especially because of brian. autistics have probably the most rational, clean minds, minus the ability to exaggerate, embellish, and most importantly, lie. so when iron posts stories about HIM being blindfolded, and brian doing the board, i believe it THAT much more. someone PLEASE correct me if i am wrong, but didnt iron say that before he first met mommy, that he and brian did an hour long meditation for some sort of safety? it makes sense that he would get mommy, now doesnt it, given the explanation i just gave?

when it comes to the board, i think preparation is key, along with asking SPECIFIC questions. so silver, i hope you are reading this, because i have a few suggestions for you. just like iron does, make a welcoming inviting statement to the board, BUT just go a little further. i would say something like "greetings, we are physical/spiritual beings from earth, hoping to communicate with any beings of high intelligence/spirituality BUT WE ASK THAT ONLY BEINGS OF THE LIGHT COME THROUGH TO MAKE CONTACT WITH US." silver, i say that last part about the light because there are 2 types of entities. good and bad. dark and light. 'demons' would be dark. obviously. so if you do not want to deal with any, dont invite them. however, if you DO want to talk to demons, then simply ask for proection from the light beings against the dark while in communion with the board. i know it sounds silly saying that stuff outloud, but like many have said, its better to be safe than sorry, no matter how stupid u may feel in the process. we dont really know how it works 'over there' so that's what i would personally do. then again, i also believe that if you dont believe in demons, you wont get any. kinda like if your not scared of them then they cant hurt you.

i dont have a board, and i dont really remember anything of what happened when i used one as a kid, except the fact that one of my friends got scared and peed her pants. i DO however, have a severely ailing 96 y.o great grandmother who is quite literally on her death bed. i went to her last year on easter weekend, when her heart stopped and we all thoguht she was going to pass. there was no way i could let this angel go, without asking her the most important question i have ever dared to ask anyone in my whole life. and i knew she was the ONLY person i could/would ever ask. i had a very private conversation with her and i asked her 'nana, i know this may sound odd and uncomfortable to hear, but i want to talk to you about where you are headed' she said ok, so we got to talking about heaven and what it would be like for her there. she told me she wasnt scared, just sad to leave everyone behind. = ( i could sense that the time was right, so i then asked her. i said 'Nana, when you pass, will you promise me that you will find a way to contact me and let me know that there IS infact a 'somewhere else'?" she said yes, but i felt i had to take it a step further, having read AND seen 'what dreams may come'. 'Nana,' I said, "please dont give up on trying to contact me. i am open to you and always will be. dont listen to what other 'people' might tell you up there. i dont know how it works but if anyone tells you that i cant handle it or im not ready for it, or that its impossible, FIND A WAY NO MATTER WHAT.' she asked me why it was so important to me for her to contact me and i told her. "i want to help people, and i dont want to lie, like so many other people do" SHe smiled, squeezed my hand gently, then raised her babysoft hand to touch my cheek. Nana and my gram have always told me i was special and that one day i would know what that meant. my gram has been after me since i was a kid to be a model, but i never attend her modeling sessions that she mails to me for fear of someone telling me im not pretty enough, or my boobs are too small, or that im not tall enough, blah blah blah. so im a scaredey poop!! "Nana, i want to help people, and if you can do this for me, and you DO contact me, i will turn my life around and do what you and gram have been after me to do all my life". i know that probably doesnt mean squat to anyone reading this, but i have not had an easy life. a lot of struggles, but it all makes me who i am, i guess. but i love me, so no worries = ) so al that being said, im not going to say that im sitting around waiting for her to pass, but im not dreading it. we have a pact, a solid pact. there was more that we said, so i know that this woman is going to keep her end of the bargain. am i going to try and contact her via ouija board? maybe, i dont know. i told her it couldnt be a one-time comminucation thing. it had to be a recuring no mistakes about it thing. i made an example to her about coming to me in my dreams. i am 25 and i have NEVER had a dream about my nana, which i told her, and we came up with one way for her to contact me. i told her i would know it was her if she showed up more than 3 times in one week in my dreams. and if i smelled moth balls when none were present. j/k i threw that in there to see if you all were still following = )

as far as being born with mediumship or being able to develop it, i think both applies. if my theory presented above is true, (which science says we ALL access theta waves) then i dont see any reason why you cant develop the skill after time, with the right teacher/mentor. keep in mind though that the harder you try, the harder it is. LoL but a good way to tell if you can ever develop it or not i guess would be your success rate with the ouija board, does that make sense? considering that skeptics have a very hard time producing ANY results worth mentioning.... or even any at all.... im not saying you have to be a hard-core believer, maybe just being open to the possiblity that
things arent always what they seem (ie the UNIVERSE!!) is enough to crack open the door, so to speak. ...

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I know that we found out a lot more about the Abode. I'll have to go back and find the session records. It's an extremely interesting place. It's run by a "staff" of beings that seem very human, and they wear uniforms, and stuff. They are like workers at a very expensive hotel. It's crazy. The clientele of The Abode are sort of "lost souls" I guess -- but there are also many other types there -- including some beings that don't really want to be there, and they are waiting for others to perform certain things and do stuff that will help them "graduate" from the Abode. Some beings are very irritated that they have to be in The Abode.
(ironghost)
ironghost, and fans of mommy, i have come across a place described exactly the way iron describes it, but it goes further. it's a 'heavenly rehab' type place that iron said, but it's also for those who had no faith while on earth. these are the people that always said 'you only have one life' and the die-hard athiests, and people who dont believe in reincarnation. for these people, they just stay there until they finally 'see the light' so to speak. they are cared for, and protected. the 'staff' are constantly trying to get them to see what they are missing by not believing.... divine intervention in the afterlife? LoL but that's basically it = ) so amiee probably went there to recoup after her extended stay in 'the land of the lost', and i'm betting that she didnt have to stay very long = )

(the ideometer effect.... is KIND OF what i was referring to in my explanation of how the board works, but i took it further. i must make that clear, because the ideometer explanation tends to rule out the possibility of it really being an entity)

ok well i believe i have said my piece! im sure i left a few things out, but i'll be checking in all the time here! i have had a BLAST reading this thread, and i sincerely hope it continues for another 57 pages! hopefully more!! iron, keep it coming!!!
PumpkinMuffin
QUOTE (WhatTha?)
I TRULY doubt that anyone reading this message board would actually form an opinion AGAINST the Ouija Board based on some strange nic's post here. The very idea is silly.

Here ya go: IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO HAS EITHER BECOME PARANOID OR FORMED AN OPINION "AGAINST" THE OUIJA BOARD AFTER READING THIS THREAD??? ANYONE?? BUHLER? BUHLER??

Okay, let's just wait and see if anyone responds. Trust me, no one will.

couldn't resist this one guys tongue.gif after reading this thread, i can honestly say that i no longer have any fears whatsoever associated with the board. i used to think 'maybe... unsure.gif ...it....could be scary.....' but now its 'ppsh, no way!' i paid close attention to detail throughout this thread so now i know that as long as you take the right precautions and enter with the right frame of mind then everything is all set. i, personally, can't wait to get a board and see what happens, although it's probably going to take me forever to actually do it because my husband and our roomate think it's dumb, so obviously they wont be good board partners LoL maybe i can get them to do it after a few drinks devil.gif j/k LoL w00t.gif
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Isensee
Much like many others in this thread, I started to read this some days ago. Then took a break, then read on and I've found it quite fascinating. I have a few experiences with this board(it's called spinning the wheel/plate in Estonian culture as I'm sure in others as well, just to offer a random fact) and perhaps if I have the time, I will share them tomorrow. I just wanted to thank everyone for giving me a wonderful read and a lot to think about.

And yes, I am positively shimmering(I'm so stuck on using this phrase from now on!).

Much love,

Ise
nara
I would never use a oujia board, My friend was "haunted" for a while until the chased it away with charms,exorsisms, etc.
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NoahJaymes
People who worry about using the boards aren't being smart about it in the first place. People who become haunted weren't smart on how they worked the board. Before you dabble in something you know nothing about, do research on the subject and know the ins and outs of it. Know how to protect yourself and the area. Also, know your limits.
MrMajik
Why ask a game board if God exists? Here is proof you can find for yourself...Pray the prayer of salvation and accept Jesus as your savior. You will be saved and the mystery of His peace will overcome you. Even more amazing is your eternal soul will live for eternity and your sins are forgiven. This is no game. It is a powerful gift that is available to all who ask. All the good deads you can do in your life will not save you. Going to church on a regular basis will not save you. The simple prayer of salvation will. Once you are saved you are always saved.

If you are willing to try a Ouija board then are you willing to ask for and receive the real thing?
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