Anneliese Michel was born in Germany in the 1950s,she became possessed by demons and lost her mind.

Anneliese went to doctors and was given medication,when that never worked she turned to the church for an exorcism.
a movie called Emily Rose has been made in 2005 based on her

During Anneliese illness she started to become terrified of religious objects,she ate spiders and smashed her teeth on the wall,bit members of her family and did self mutilation. THIS IS A TRUE STORY
She claimed to be possessed by Hitler,Nero,Judas and Lucifer,she stopped eating and starved to death claiming that God had sent her to die to cross over to purgatory to help lost souls.

Two years after she died a nun contacted her parents saying God had sent her a vision saying Anneliese was an angel and her body was still in perfect condition
Anneliese parents asked for her body to be exhumed saying they wanted to give her a better funeral but THE GOVERMENT became involved and dug up Anneliese and refused to let her parents to see the body,she is now at rest in Germany and her grave is visited by Christians and muslims who say she was an angel
This story is REAL

btw

Secular goverments promote atheism with cover ups and LIES



http://youtube.com/watch?v=OxEw-l-ei60

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sFs9lvgUAQ8

above is a link to a clip of the Movie based on the Exorcism of Emily Rose


btw


I repeat when Anneliese Michel was exhumed THE GOVERMENT would not let her parents see the body.

secular goverments promote atheism with cover ups and lies

Anneliese was talking in latin,she never knew latin In the court case after her death,the judge ruled that the tapes were she spoke Latin was not allowed for evidence and it was not reported by the media she was speaking latin and other languages that had died out Remember the NWO keep the public ignorant on spiritual matters and prefer to feed the masses with racist LIES such as darwins theory based on lower evolved human beings

Possessed] We are the ones who dwell within. [in Hebrew language] I am the one who dwelt within CAIN!
[in Latin language] I am the one who dwelt within NERO!
[in Greek language] I once dwelt within JUDAS!
[in German Language] I was with Legion
[In Assyrian Neo-Aramaic language] I am Belial
[possessed/English] and I am Lucifer, The devil in the flesh





http://youtube.com/watch?v=0asJvJW_cts

There have been multiple other threads on this. You can do a search for them. I'm too lazy.

Darling Niki

Didnt know that,still one more will not do any harm(i hope)








http://youtube.com/watch?v=0asJvJW_c...elated&search=


Above is a clip from the exorcism in the movie Emily Rose,can be watched on youtube for free,ill post a link if anyones interested

I believe that alot of cases are from mental problems but the "popular" exorcism that inspired the movie "the excorcist" was about a little boy. During his excorcisms and manifestations doctors recorded that he could speak in a foreign language that non of the family could speak (not tongues but the language of a different country). They also reported certain markings and the bed actually moving violently on its own. The problems with scientists is that they are unable to label some of the cases such as telekenisis and speaking in other languages along with cursing God and appearing to be highly negative towards christian periphinelia. This makes be lean towards true demonic possession but having someone become irate or go in seizures is most likely mental


hairston

people who have mental problems can have them for many reasons....some can be helped by medicine and doctors....others can only be helped spiritually and this is usually by an exorcism....i further believe that there is an evil in this world that wants to infect everyone possible just like there is bacteria that wants to infect everyone possible....i also know that the power of God through Jesus Christ can heal our minds, bodies, and souls from whatever plagues us.
i believe that what was shown to happen to emily rose in the movie happens in real life...believe it or not...

randomhit10

First of all, everyone says.. "These people spoke languages they didn't know"..

And well, where is any proof that this ever happened? If it had happened so many times, a recording of it would have been made public by now. Those types of things are nothing more than a rumor. Why would a judge destroy the tapes? Stop with the conspiracies.

And actually, the recording was linked to in the video you posted. link
It contains nothing but music and screaming. No talking in five languages.

Also, the back story for this and the parts about the government could very easily be 100% rumors. People make things up all the time.

People can become mentally ill. For example, imagine if this was a very extreme case of schizophrenia. It's not hard to imagine that she could be driven insane by the hallucinations she was having.

And you know what's funny? There's never been an atheist "possession". It happens exclusively to religious people.. because religious people have been told to believe demons are real. So when they go insane and start hallucinating about something they fear, demons are one of the first things.

And if you think secular governments are bad, you should see what happens when a country becomes a theocracy.

By the way, to the OP, welcome to UM, but please.. keep it to 1 post, you're not supposed to double or triple post. Use the edit button if you need to add information.

A demonic possession in my mind is a sliver of the ego that the individual has rejected and pushed into their subconscious. Over time, this sliver of ego grows in proportion if the external stimuli (triggers) are not removed and the issue which caused the initial fracture confronted. So one becomes "possessed" by repressed emotions and memories. I also believe that people who have mental abillities can manipulate their immediate environment in ways that seem supernatural when this condition is added.

I also agree that we will see what we have trained ourselves to fear. If you harbor fear towards demons, then when your fear arises, it will manifest itself this way because it is how the individual interprets outside stimuli. The fiction book Twilight Eyes by Dean Koontz is a good story about this. One will "see" things that are symbolic within the reality, distortions that let you know something is wrong.

Mental illness and parents that were too relgious.

As for what some of you say about mental illness im not so sure doctors have the answer
Mental illness can come in short bursts and then the patient recovers,but its impossible for a person to recover when they are pumped full of dangerous mind bending drugs

I mean.... look at society theres more mental illness now than ever,these doctors that you praise have a awful record when it comes to curing people,infact they dont cure anyone what so EVER, all they do is put people in a chemical straitjacket(oh whoopie)

Do you realize how many people commit suicide when they are "treated" by doctors its MILLIONS


heres a quote from "a Beautiful mind " by Sylvia Nasar(page352)

"Manfred Bluler a German psychiatrist found that in a 20 year follow up of more than 200 schizophrenia patients he found 20% fully recovered,MOREOVER he concluded that the long lasting recoveries DID NOT RESULT FROM DRUG TREATMENTS and were spontaneous"
(so the doctors cured NO ONE,get the picture ?)

( a beautiful mind page 352)
"then a german team at Bonn university did a follow up study of 500 schizophrenia patients... many about a quater commited suicide(so the doctors killed a quater)...some were still instutionalized(ie zombies on drugs) another group were living with their families but still had symptoms,ie negative feelings of lethargy,lack of drive and depression
(oh the drug dealer doctors do a great job NOT)

BUT a surprisingly large group perhaps 25% were living independant lives,with friends and jobs in proffesions in which they had been trained for before they got sick,MOST OF THESE HADNT BEEN ANY WERE NEAR A DOCTOR FOR YEARS"...pg 352 a beautiful mind
(the words in brackets are my own)


So you see, once these drug dealer doctors get people pumped full of powerful mind bending drugs,the effects are life changing ,so dont give me this doctors are perfect and are not to be questioned because they are to blame for more deaths than the Mafia

But faith healers i would stay away from them,there often fakers and money grabbers

I speak at NA and AA meetings and NA/AA are a world wide success by using FAITH and they are not run on profit and dont ruin peoples lives by pumping people full of addictive narcotics unlike DRUG DEALER DOCTORS

AA/NA works on Faith in God and science ignores this and thats WRONG
(Thats the Truth and The Truth never loses Power)







btw


Anneliese Michel was an angel sent from God,the reason the GOVERMENT stopped anyone from seeing her body when she was exhumed is because the NWO satanic agenda is to fill peoples mind up with saw dust and lies of nothingness like darwins nut theory or the big bang tripe,the last thing the NWO want is the public to know about miracles.

Life is a miracle in its self,life is weird and there is answers that the NWO hide from the people,i say this,atheists follow the NWO agenda like flys homing in on the most vile of turds,i say to these lemmings you have an eternal soul
The st james bible was written in the 1500s and Martin Luther who wrote it said its not 100% perfect#
(not many christians realize that Martin Luther said this about the Bible not being word for word perfect due to lost missing scripture and corruption)

but there is Truth there for and if you read between the lines you can save yourself a lot of pain,if you dont wake up you are in more trouble than you can imagine,so think on

Anneliese Michel was sent by God to give a spiritual message,she died a terrible death to atone for apostate priests and to help lost souls in purgatory,theres a miracle of God in this True story

The mainstream media slated the film emily Rose,the NWO like to keep people ignorant about spiritual matters and peddle atheistic nothingness
(ask yourself why)

drug treatments have NEVER cured anyone,all they do is put a sticking plaster over the problem,although in cases were people are violent i see the reason for use of drugs BUT ONLY in violent cases.

Take John Nash he wasnt violent but they pumped him full of drugs and destroyed large parts of his mind
In the 60s electro shock treatments were all the rage,can you imagine the damage those maniac doctors did to the poor souls they were let loose on ?
The mind boggles doesnt it,now in 2007 the doctors have admitted that they were wrong in the past BUT now theres a wave of drug peddling doctors let loose on a new generation,the result is sky rocketing mental illness in society,they are part of the problem not the cure

The thing is with schizophenia pateints they often claim to be Jesus or the antichrist,thats because demons know that Christ is REAL,of course doctors dont consider this because you have been told at university to ignore this and just drug people up to the eye balls with powerful mind bending narcotics,shame that

And faith has cured people,AA and NA have cured MILLIONS world wide,many people have entered the doors of AA/NA with mental illness and have been saved by The Glory of God,faith = Power
(you show ignorance to ignore faith)

Drug dealing doctors are just like the maniacs in the past that used electro shock treatments its just in 2007 they are armed with powerful narcotics and they have caused many suicides and thats the sad reality of modern science in dealing with mental health,a complete and utter FAILURE

I agree with Eric here...only reason why people will class it as being possessed by demons is as a scare tatic..playing on a mental illness to promote God IMO

Anneliese Michel was speaking in 7 languages proven by the tapes
(many such as Latin died out but still known)

Anneliese Michel was speaking in tongues no one could decipher
(lost languages,demons can speak many)

Anneliese Michel gave a prophecy for the exact day she died again proven by the tapes

Anneliese Michel was speaking in a demon voice proven also by the tapes

Anneliese Michel gave a prophecy that her death would be a world wide spiritual message to people,this has come TRUE

Anneliese Michel had stigmata proven by autopsy photos

Anneliese Michel was exhumed 2 years after she died after a nun had a vision and said her body would still be in perfect condition
(the goverment stuck its nose in and would not let anyone see the body,atheism is promoted with cover ups proven above)



btw


Yeah sure just a case of mental illness NOT

An athiest would first go to a shrink and it would be treated as a mental disorder. Even if they spoke in different languages if they were in a psychotic break the would most likely not remeber. If the shrink did not know the language he would say it is babble.

I think that has to be one of the best posts I've ever read on this forum.

Not only because I totally agree, it was just very well written.

Good job!

first and foremost, from a christian point of view by the way, we must first exhaust every possible scenario before we go so far as to claim someone is genuinely "possessed by a devil." also, keep in mind that "devil" can also be somewhat metaphoric. after all, we all have our demons, dont we?

also, we must be wary of the tools that satan has at his disposal. regardless of your religious view, the symptoms that many of these "possessed" experience is genuine. once the placebo effect treatment is exhausted, we turn to mental illness. perhaps satan is crafty enough to use an anomally of human conditioning to execute his will?

i guess an issue like this boils down to this: if you truly believe in god, then you tend to believe anything is possible.

although i doubt there has never been a case of an atheist possession, i sure havent heard of one right off the top of my head. maybe the reason religious people have demonic possession experiences is rational. like someone said earlier, maybe its a sliver of some horrible event that has eventually infected someone's very consciousness. maybe aethists dont have these episodes as much because they tend to be comfortable and accepting of their flaws, where as christians tend to fight theirs. think of when you get a splinter. what eventually happens? the body, without conscious effort, pushes the splinter out of the flesh. perhaps the same is true for these so called "pschyoschematic" episodes? maybe its the minds natural way of cleansing itself.

either way, you cant deny the before and after effects of an exorcism.

I truly believe in God...but I feel I don't have to believe in satan and demons in order to follow God...IMO no such thing as satan or demons

Tell that to my shcizophrenic mother that I grew up with. She did well on meds, but ran amok without them. You should check yourself.

right on Eric..you tell em....

Pity there was no meds for ignorant people

You are 100% correct. In a majority of cases mental illness patients are required to stay on the medications for the rest of their lives if they wish to have the continued effect. The medications that are for depression, anxiety, bipolar, or schizophrenia are not like an antibiotic that is given for a week and then the infection is cleared up; they work by changing the brain chemistry to give the desired effect, and need to be used regulary to keep that brain chemistry in check. At this point in time we do not have medications that will adjust brain chemistry permenantly, although there are several in the works.

Symptoms of mental illness run the spectrum and in severe cases can be compounded with seizure disorders when brain chemistry gets way out of whack. To imply that medicines either don't work or are bad for you is a bad thing to do; you have either had no experience or a bad experience with htem and are poorly qualified to make such statements. Mental disorders exist commonly as they always have; at one time a seizure was considered to be evil and a sign of possession; we now know different and treat seizures with medications rather successfully. Schizophrenia is also a condition that can be treated medically but often is not followed as closely as it should be by patients and there are lapses where symptoms return.

In watching the movie based on the story I see a lot of symptoms of mental illness. As for the languages; I do not know how true the claims are; as a religous person she would have been exposed to variations of latin regularly; as for speaking in dead languages, if they were dead languages, how exactly would anyone know to make such a claim. Just like a fishing story something like the Michael story is hard to seperate fact from fiction or altered memories. It occured long before the medical treatments we have today that are far more effective; the treatments they had access to at the time were so limited that the effectiveness was only on a small portion of patients.

I deal with mentally ill patients on a daily basis and have seen some odd things, but when the brain chemistry gets thrown off wierd things are going to happen. I have an ability to look at it from a medical perspective and evaluate what is going on in order to help that patient until better trained folks come along that are specialist. I would hazard a guess that the parents and family of this girl had no training or understanding of mental illness and their very religous background would have created a situation where every aspect was attributed to the devil and this poor girl would have no choice in being a part of that fantasy.

Millions of people have thought themselves possessed when they hear voices in their heads and feel like they are being controlled by outside forces. Once those people find an appropriate medical treatment those voices go away and they resume and normal life; there are people all around you right now that may have similar mental illnesses that have them under control and you have no idea.

looking at those millions of people who are treated successfully with medications that adjust brain chemistry and make the "possession" stop I find it hard to believe that the devil (who can give people incredible foresight and the ability to speak unknown languages) can't overcome 800 milligrams of seroquel(for example) given twice a day. The devil cant win against a little pill? It flat out makes no sense.

If those that like to say the only real reasons why people have mental problems that need meds...claiming it to be demons...these people should try working on a daily basis with the mentally challenged...then get their eyes opened

I am not saying someone should stop taking medication,its very dangerous to come of mind bending drugs,you should check yourself BUDDY
(i am repeating myself for you)

I had a cousin who commited suicide after being treated by the doctors that you praise,do you know how many people commit suicide after being treated by doctors its MILLIONS
(are doctors gods that can not be questioned in your secular world ?)

The problem with modern science is, when doctors deal with mental health, the first thing they do is drug people up to the eye balls and get people addicted to dangerous narcotics,i know people that have been treated for mental health and up up depressed and obese thanks to these so called wonder drugs.
Mental health in 2007 is getting worse not better, modern science is a FAILURE,

Mind bending drugs should be a last resort for violent pateints ,evidence points to the fact that with out drugs people recover STRONGER and HEALTHY,its a hidden fact that schizophenia comes in bursts and its a FACT that people recover better with out the poison of modern drugs,modern science STINKS,doctors are peddling RITALIN to 5 year old children in schools now behind their parents backs<MODREN SCIENCE IS DISGUSTING and a FAILURE and the stats PROVE IT FACT
(atheists dont like facts do they)


Anyway, Anneliese Michel was speaking in 7 languages in a DEMON voice DOES THIS SEEM LIKE A NORMAL CASE TO YOU ?
(it takes a real brainwashed mind to not see the super natural side to this case)


Manfred Blueler a top class German Psychaiatrist in a study found that in a follow up of 200 schizophrenia patients found that 20% fully recovered with out the aid of poison that doctors peddle.
Also a team in the university of Bonn in the 50s and 60s found that out of 500 patients treated by doctors a Quarter commited suicide
(so the doctors killed a quarter,is this ok with you ?)
some were locked up in loony bins for the rest of their lives(oh sorry i dont see that as a success) Another group were on drugs for the rest of their lives depressed and had suicidal thoughts( yeah sure these doctors are heros arent they)

BUT a amazingly large group 25% were healthy and not on drugs and were HAPPY and hadnt been near a doctor for YEARS.
(a beautiful mind pg 352)


btw


speaking in a DEMON voice in 7 languages is not normal by any standard,this is proven by the tapes

Watch the retards ignore the evidence and defend modern science,watch the fools defend the monster of modern science that ruins lives sends people obese and has caused MILLIONS OF SUICIDES,watch the atheists ignore Truth of an obvious possession ,watch the god haters say demons are cool and other such utter crass stupidity
(the case of Anneliese Michel proves Demons are evil FACT)

(atheists dont like facts do they)

Schizophenia comes in short bursts, i have studied this and found that modern science is hiding these FACTS.

I have quoted studys from german universitys to PROVE it,oh dont woorry though,modern science has ignored this and has caused a mental health exposion.

Once people get addicted to mind bending drugs its near on impossible to come of them,loads of people slash their wrists and top them selves when they come of these drugs,THESE PEOPLE WOULD OF BEEN BETTER OF WITH OUT GOING NEAR A DOCTOR

The stats prove modern science is a sick joke



Its ignorant and a conspiracy to just ignore the fact that schoizophrenic patients hear voices,MAYBE THEY DO,JUST MAYBE it would be better to look in to this rather than just drug the life out of people,to come of mind bending drugs is hell on earth

Oh i forgot, science is secular and has been hyjacked by an atheist conspiracy with their bull s racist darwins theory of lower evolved human beings and monkey theory were the parasite darwinists have been caught making up fossils (piltdown man)

Or, how about the big bang,over educated bores trying to sell us the idea the universe came from nothing how the **** do these atheists know that,the big bang is bull s atheist propaganda what else have sicko modern scientists have lied about the answer is PLENTY


heres a George orwell quote from 1984

"do you think we cant make the stars as near or far away as we like Winston ? do you think our mathematicians are not equal to that Winston ? Have you forgotten double think Winston ?"
(what the above quote means is science can be used as a brainwashing tool and IT IS)

THINK ABOUT IT


George Orwell knew modern science was being used for brainwashing 50 years ago,modern day atheists are so utterly stupid they believe anything as long as some over educated bore is telling them what to think
Scientists are the new priests in 2007 and they are drenched in BLOOD,not that it bothers the atheists that chew the crud of mind control,universitys,science,schools,wild life documentarys all promote darwinism and athiesm,atheism is the NWO mind control system and atheist believe ANYTHING as long as its based on cow dung atheism and a scientist bore is waffling away talking crap thats enough to convince an atheist of more or less anything


btw


Anneliese Michel was speaking in a demon voice in 7 languages
(it takes a real first class tard to say its a case of mental illness)

YOU KNOW IT

I dont belive in exorcism sorry lol

IMO - UMM NOOOOOOOO LOL and you should calm down...there is no real proof of demons either

People should stick to a MD's help at all times

People should examine both sides of things. It's dangerous to tell people otherwise.

Demons do exist. I've experienced them and many others have experienced them as well. If you've ever had a demon come out of you, you will know they're real.
When I had one come out of me it was like a gust of wind pouring out of my body. This happened right after I spoke "Jesus is Lord".

Its my belief they DONT exist <---learn to deal with it and respect it for goodness sake or the mods will come in again


I already know what you believe...I have no issues with it...now I suggest you do the same and just move on

Then just say it's your belief. Don't state it as fact. Consider that others may know something you don't know.

Guys, she was not possessed. Even the Church stated this--as did a jury/court. She suffered terribly from mental illness.

Please read her entire history. Believe me, you will quickly see why this poor girl suffered so. Her mother should have been imprisoned IMO!

Had Anneliese been a deeply religious person prior to 'being possessed'?

Yes. Anneliese and her three sisters were raised in a strict Catholic family. Her father Josef had considered training as a priest and three of her aunts were nuns.

Four years before Anneliese was born, her mother gave birth to an illegitimate daughter, Martha. As a result, her mother suffered great shame and was forced to wear a black veil on her wedding day. When Anneliese was a child, her mother encouraged her to atone for the sins of illegitimacy through fervent devotion. When Anneliese's sister Martha died at the age of eight during an operation to remove a kidney tumor, this likely only increased Anneliese's desire to do penance for her mother (telegraph.co.uk).

As she grew older, Anneliese continued to suffer for the sins of others. When she was a teenager, Anneliese slept on a bare stone floor to atone for the sins of wayward priests and drug addicts, who could be observed sleeping on the hard ground at the local train station (washingtonpost.com). In college at West Germany's University of Würzburg, she hung pictures of saints on her dorm room walls, kept a holy-water font near the door, and regularly prayed the Rosary (time-proxy.yaga.com). As stated earlier, even close to her death she spoke of dying to atone for the sins of the wayward youth and renegade priests.

AM's story
http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/emilyrose.php

Kindly,

Sean

I think she stated it was her opinion and I didn't read where she suggested it was a fact .However I will go back to the previous posts to check


fullywired

The story is truly horrifying and very sad.

But why does it only happen to christians (with satan & co. anyways) ?

As far as I am concerned growing up in an atmosfear of fear did this to her and the fact that she suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy. (Look the illness up)
If you wanna be safe from demons hang around with Atheists

If there's something strange in your neighborhood
Who you gonna call?
Godbusters!
If there's something weird and it don't look good
Who you gonna call?
Godbusters!

I ain't afraid of no god
I ain't afraid of no god

If you're seeing things running through your head
Who can you call?
Godbusters!
An invisible man sleeping in your bed
Oh, who you gonna call?
Godbusters!

I aint afraid...

Are you blind altogether..or do you just blank out what you want to suit yourself...before you KNEW its my belief there is nO DEMONS <---told ya that countless times..


then you quote me saying -->>>

and you respond with -- then just say its your belief dont state it as fact balh!!

Get your eyes sorted out ...SERIOUSLY


I DONT BELIEVE THAT DEMONS EXIST ..........THEY NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL...THIS IS MY BELIEF AND GUESS WHAT WWF..IM STICKING TO IT ITS MY BELIF DEMONS ARE ONLY IN PEOPLES HEADS AGAIN MY BELIEF


AND A i ALREADY KNOW YOU BELIEVE THEY DO LOL SO DROP IT

Hi Walking

The book "The Exorcism of Annaliese Michel" by Felicitas D Goodman is extremely interesting. There is a lot more to the whole thing that was portrayed in the film Emily Rose. It shows how she went to Doctors for years and years before eventually opting for Exorcism, the thing is after the Exorcism, a couple of really creepy things happened which are featured in the book.

It is worth a read.

I want to read it. Have you seen the pictures of her in that state ? I hope I don't get nightmares !

No one answered our questions -why do non-religious people and some of other faiths not experience possession ?

And how do psychotropic medicines keep the demon out ? Or does the demon get "high" too (excuse the pun).

There aren't any photos in the book, only one of Anneliese Michel on the front page before it all started. Reading the book you won't get nightmares, but it does seem to clear a lot of stuff up.

I bought it off Amazon.

I have no idea about the medicines, maybe they shut down the part of the brain that makes the "self" open to invading spirits.

Look up the name in yahoo images. It's horrifying. She looks like she has been beat to death. Scary !!

Ah I know the pictures you are on about!

She did have anorexia, hence the skeleton look at the end of her life. She kept saying "They will not let me eat" in the end anorexia had taken over and she was unable to eat - it is a sad disease within itself

The black eyes that she had could be bruising OR they could be due to the possession. Apparently, an effect of true possession can be the dilation of the pupils, giving the impression that the eye is, in fact, completely black. I daresay the shadows under her eyes were due to no sleep for days on end, perhaps they didn't let her sleep either

I don't know what is being imp-lied by the above post ???

But I don't think religion causes anorexia,bulimia etc.

The mainstream media,fashion industry & false body image are the cause of this

Here in germany (hi eggumby ) the people are mostly non-theists and they have many girls here with such eating disorders

Anorexia Nervosa is a terrible disorder

It can destroy not only the person concerned, but their family too.

I agree completely that the mainstream media and fashion industries are partly to blame - too many stick-thin models, forced to stay that way for the sake of their jobs and in my opinion, much of this is due to the self-importance of those fashion designers that insist things like Size 0 is the way to go.

Anyhow, sorry about that, I went off-topic there for a moment

So lets get the facts clear

John Nash an atheist and had a mental break down hearing voices,a hard core atheist,modern science in universitys is meant to brainwash people in to BIGGOTED atheists,atheists are hooked on valium ALL OVER THE GLOBE, OK people of sane minds


Do you want proof medical science is a FRAUD ?,i give you the ART Of Soviet BRAINWASHING,take the link below very seriously if you are a Truth seeker ?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/psychopolitics.html



Anneliese Michel was an angel sent from God most high

here are words of wisdom

The eternal soul is REAL,do not fear God for God Loves YOU,no one should believe in eternal hell,its bad for your spirit to believe in Eternal hell and can only damage the soul

words of an Angel breaking down the lies of apostate priests

It's more like the religious crackpots are the ones who don't like facts, as facts oppose their fluffy fantasies about God, Heaven, the Devil and such nonsense.

First of all, I'm quite sure modern science and medication save far more lives than it takes. And if people should not receive medical treatment for psychic issues, what should be done then? Read scriptures and give them a communion wafer? Religion and faith may heal your worries about an afterlife, but it won't heal diseases, damages, schizophrenia or other psychic problems. As for mental health getting worse, is this necessarily caused by medication? Wouldn't you say the fact that we live in a world full of war, pollution, hunger catastrophes, violence, racism, bigotry and knowledge that we as humans have little to no significance in the great scheme are more likely to make people depressed than some medication?

The case of Anneliese proves nothing more than the Church being full of old, superstitious crackpots that find molesting young boys and performing unneeded exorcisms as being great pastime activities.

God is dead. Nietzsche killed him. And religious loonies still hate facts that oppose their worldview.

Some religious people should definitely be classed as potential mental patients.

While I don't trust the pharmaceutical companies 100% >it's not all bad either. They save MANY lives. Yes, we overmedicate. i know many friends here in europe that use holistic medicine and doctors always go that route over here first or combine the two. And guess what ?? Almost all people are Atheists over here. I don't know why you are imlying non-belivers have blind faith in modern medicine and are drug addicts ?
It takes a strong character not to believe> and know that when he is dead he's dead >and will never see his loved ones again. I think if he can get by believing this and still be reasonably happy shows strength> not weakness.

I don't think lack of religion or god are the causes of depression, although these can be comforting. I know many people that have quit drugs,alcohol abuse etc. with their new found faith in god. And this is good.

I think depression is caused by chemical imbalance, people that have an unrealistic hopes/visions/dreams( the outcome wasn't what they expected),lonliness, living in our artificial enviroments ,death loss of a loved one etc.

People of faith AND those without >fall prey to deep depression. But it sure helps if you can find some "deeper meaning" to the unpleasant surprises that life deals you,no doubt.

dowhat???

Fluffy fantasies about Fluffybunnys

Hey Momentary. I read through this whole thread, and your questions stood out to me. I thought I'd offer some theories in answer to your questions. Mind, I do believe in God AND Demons/the Devil, so my responses are coming from that background. Please bear with me, remember these are my personal opinions, not something I'm stating as fact.
As far as religious people experiencing 'possessions', whereas non-religious people don't: I agree with the theory that a lot of people who exhibit symptoms of 'possession' are in fact displaying symptoms of mental illness. If they can be treated with medication or other non-religious methods, I'd say they weren't 'possessed'. Now, if medication/treatment does not seem to help, I'd be more inclined to say it might be an actual 'possession'.
I think the reason religious people seem more inclined to experience a possession is that they have a belief in God, and so the demons target them, as the demons are God's opposite, pure evil. Maybe the reason you don't hear about an athiest being 'possessed' is that because they don't believe in God, the demons have no reason to target them. The athiest does not hold a belief that is hateful to the demon, i.e. a belief in God. Also, like someone else said, an athiest wouldn't be inclined to actually believe they are possessed, even if they went to a Dr. and medication/treatments were not doing anything for them. They would firmly believe that it was all in their head or a medical issue, and wouldn't be inclined to report it as a possession, since 'possession' is a religious inclination. So who knows? Maybe there have been athiests who've been 'possessed', but it was never reported as such, since they didn't believe in possession.
My final thought is that I do believe the statement, "The Devil's most successful deception is convincing the majority of the world that he doesn't exist".
I know you'll probably disagree with most of what I said, and that's ok. You asked a question, and I answered it as best I knew how. I would like to see what other people's thoughts on this are.

That is an excellent and cool answer. Thankyou......but what about other religious/tribal/cultural groups that go through possession ? Would a christian believe/claim they are not truly possessed ? And why are your demons better/truer than their demons ?