Genesis 3


Adam and Eve in the garden have a fall from grace. In other words they decided on their own to "try something" and when the result came back not what they were hoping they attempted to fix in. So they tried to cover themselves with clothing.

This part of the story is often overlooked but its mentioned in such a small passage. It makes me wonder if there is an importance to this part of the story that is overlooked.


I have argued on here, many times that there is evidence of God's immorality in the fact that he allows children to suffer. And the debates that have come back on this point have always been silenced at the idea of allowing a child to suffer. Though some have argued that "people" are the ones who cause children to suffer, not God, there is no way to explain why God if he has the ability to stop this, won't.

I offer another perspective. The fall from Grace represents man kind thinking that he can "run the show" and so mankind created a problem in the garden of Eden and came up with a lousy solution but one that for the moment served its purpose. Mankind thinks that they world we have created is the world that was supposed to be.

But we all live in parts of the world where see the encroachment into nature, pollution, poverty, war and all such things because of the "solutions" that we have come up with to solve the problems that we have made.

God is not allowing Children to suffer to teach us individually to come to God, but rather its just the way it is.


All the children that suffering in the world today could STOP SUFFERING TODAY if everyone in the world, would stop building "solutions" that are flimsy and not thought out. Our solutions tend to simply solve one problem and create another.

If mankind would recognize the importance of living fully in grace and stop worrying about the way we build our lives in the here and now, we could create the planet as it was supposed to be.

But instead we all tisk tisk at the problems of the world and run out and buy fun stuff, and indulge in food and buy big cars and build and build and ignore the suffering in the world

What I would say to those who ask why God doesn't solve these problems is "God is not a codependant to a junkie"

Sorry to give a thumbs-up and run but time is short today. Just wanted to say that I thought that was worded well, and exactly what a few people here have been trying to get across.

Truethat, I must congratualte you, this is exactly how I think. I believe that the bible teaches this quite plainly and we have lost alot of that original meaning because of traditional stances held by christians over the centuries that are not based on biblical interpretation.

It all hinges on the Genesis account and the Fall of Man. Many people refer to orginal sin as their explanation but the concept isn't biblical.

A few things to consider.

Man wasn't immortal before the fall.

There was death before the fall

The 1st sin was one of arrogance and egotism, somehow people miss the fact that today all sin still hinges on arrogance and egotism.

Oh Jorel that's pretty damn true.

interesting take on genesis, i feel its a beautiful metaphor of original blessing and introducing the idea of duality ( commonly called fall from grace original sin ect..) at the core of the analogy..
love and fear being abject as portrayed with the character Satan an exaggeration of course( not a real bieng just an analogy to help understand duality for the level of awareness at the time ) .... and this is the theme of many mythologies some would say archetypes...its a mythology of mans early attempt to understand the universe and himself as a triune being. and what he did understand which was very primitive yet profound........genesis attempts to touch on the greatest simplicity is really the greatest of complexity..it attempts to in a very primitive way to show the process of self knowing... Its also the birth of choice or duality....

one can't be a creator with nothing to contrast hence opposites but really there are no opposites just varing degree's of the same thing....I also see the Adam and Eve lore to be mans fantasies of his highest vision for himself one would live beyond fear sort of a heaven on earth ( no worries state of being) which is very much the same as the enlightenment ideas from the east...

Lovely post. When people (I haven't done this on the internet) ask me "Why doesn't God stop suffering if he can?" I say to them "Are you stopping suffering? After all, YOU can." People don't understand that it isn't God's job to play cleanup for us. That's what I felt you were saying in your post. If I'm wrong correct me, if I'm right .


Much Love,
COI.

Definately right on the first to counts, but the third is not even part of the original story. Adam Eve and the serpent are simply a Hebrew embellishment of the story Adapa (Adam) and the Southwind. Adam was selected to have deternal life (become and angel), but the rest of the human race still lived and died before adam and after. Adam is not the first man in the original story. The city of Eridu was already established, and the "great serpent dragon of heaven" Enki, built the Garden of Eden there as a park for the people. Enki tricked Adam to lose his bid for eternal life, so we would still catch fish for him, Adams occupation. This story was preserved on clay tablests fo a 1000 years before the Hebrews finally wrote down their garbled versions when still contained some key elements, ie: the talking serpent dragon in the garden of eden who tricks Adam out of eternal life. Man was never expected to live forever, except for pre selected ones that became the angels. That's what Adams immortality was all about, it has nothing to do with the rest of us mortals.

Would you please provide source data for this information. It's interesting, but I've never seen this story anywhere else.

Don't hold your breath waiting.......

Just another version of a myth.

This is probably what he is referring to:

"Enki and Adapa", tells of how humanity loses the chance at immortality. Adapa U-an (Berossus' Oannes), who is Abgallu (Ab = Water, Gal = Great, Lu = Man) (Akkadian Apkallu), Enki's advisor, to the first king of Eridu, Allulim, inadvertently breaks the wings of the South Wind, Ninlil (See Lilith) (Nin = Lady, Lil = Air), daughter of Anu (the Heavens) and wife to Enlil, king of the gods. In terror at the thought of their retribution, Adapa seeks the advice of Enki. Enki advises that Adapa make a deep and sincere atonement, but advises Adapa to eat nothing given to him by the gods, as he will probably be given the food of death, out of their anger at his deeds. Adapa takes Enki's advice, but the gods, so impressed by the sincerity of Adapa's sorrow and grief as to what he did, offered instead the fruit of immortality. Adapa remembering Enki's words, refuses, and so misses out on the chance of eternal life.

See: Enki and Adapa

For the original Text: Adapa and the Food of Life / Adapa and the South Wind

THE GARDEN OF EDEN






WHO , WHAT, WHY, ARE WE ?

What are we, why are we here, what is God, what is Jesus, what is everything that exists truly about?

Where is the Garden of Eden ?

What we have found through the Bible and through science, is that everything, and I mean everything, is inside of us. God is inside of us, Jesus is inside of us, heaven is inside of us, hell, the promised land, Jerusalem, you name it and its inside of us and that is the most important fact that the God hungry world has missed and why?





PRIESTS, PASTORS AND PROPHETS

Well what do you know, who would have ever guessed.

Priests, Pastors and Prophets have messed the whole thing up.

What a surprise

Jeremiah 2:8 The priests did not say,, Where is the Lord?, and they that handle the law didn't know me : the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.

The priests and the pastors told you where they wanted God to be.

Far off somewhere, not where God truly is, within you.

And the Bible scholars and the ones who make up doctrines and religious traditions have no idea concerning the nature of what we call God.

They walk after things that have no meaning, literal baptism, communion, all kinds of rituals and celebrations that feed the emotions but nothing else.

Those are things that we were raised to believe were so very important but have no real value in the literal sense.

How do I know?





THE THINGS THAT DO NOT MATTER

Hebrews 6:1-4 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on to perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Not laying again the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Everything we were taught was important in the literal sense, is not.

Repentance from works, faith, baptism, laying on hands, resurrection etc.

We have taken these things literally because our leaders have taught us to, yet literally they mean nothing.



THE RELIGIOUS ONES HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEMS

Jeremiah 10:20-21, For the pastors have become brutish, and have not sought the Lord:

therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.

brut·ish (br›“t¹sh) adj. 1. Of or characteristic of a brute. 2. Crude in feeling or manner. 3. Sensual; carnal. 4. Rough; uncivilized: “the Mesabi Iron Range, a brutish stretch of maroon hillocks” (John McCormick). See Synonyms at brute. --brut“ish·ly adv. --brut“ish·ness n.



We see that the word brutish means sensual, carnal.

The religious are not connected to the spiritual but to the physical.

They become tough with their laws and doctrines and demands.



Let's look at the word Pastor in a new light.



The word pastor in this Biblical context refers to your beliefs inside, which have come to you from those outside.

Your belief is your pastor. Not a person, a thought, a belief. That is the pastor.



Of course those beliefs that have led the world to kill each other over religion have originated with physical pastors of all denominations and religious persuasions.








BUT WHAT ABOUT SEEKING THE LORD ?



But what about that line saying they have not sought the Lord?



They have been told the kingdom of god is within them. Yet they frown on meditation.



Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered.

Lawyers are the Bible teachers, the teachers of doctrine.

The scripture says of them, "you have taken away the key of knowledge, you have not entered within yourselves (meditation) and others who are going into meditation you hinder."

How do they hinder?

By telling people that meditation opens their mind to devils and all that kind of nonsense.





LOOK WHO MESSED IT UP

Jeremiah 12:10, Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

The pleasant portion is the Garden of Eden.

It is the East side the right side.

It is desolate because religious people do not direct followers to meditation, to seek the higher mind, to separate from thought.

Thus people do not go there , do not meditate, and that portion is thus desolate. And the responsibility for that desolation falls on the pastors !



Jeremiah 22:22, The wind shall eat up all your pastors, and your lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shall you be ashamed and confounded for all your wickedness.

Here is an excellent prophecy.

The wind is a metaphysical symbol of the spirit.

In other words the changes that will eventually come will cause people to move away from religious leaders. They will be discredited in the eyes of people.

Those who still follow and love them will be held captive by them as they are now.

People are held captive to religious rules and doctrines and church laws, and so many are ashamed by the wickedness that has evolved out of church and religion.

Jeremiah 23:1 , Woe be to the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saysthe Lord.

Notice ,my pasture.

That grazing place of green, the right side.

Where angles of light or angels of light enter. When they enter do they find you there,r do they report back that the pasture, the garden is desolate.

Jeremiah 23:2

Therefore says the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings.

You pastors have scattered my flock.

How true.

Not only scattered from one another but hating and bombing and killing one another.

You have driven them away.

Away from what.

Away from the Garden of Eden.

The right hemisphere of the brain mind that is Gods and according to the pastors, off limits to the flock. I will visit upon you the evil of your doings , and that certainly has begun.

Now you might initially think that references to pastors impacts negatively on our theory that all of the Bible references things inside of you.

Not so

In this case the word pastor means your beliefs.

The things inside of you that have come from the outside.

It is your beliefs that have been nurtured by pastors of organized religion that have separated you from God.



EVERYTHING, INCLUDING PASTORS,

IS INSIDE OF YOU



In other words pastors are inside of you because their teachings, their thoughts, their beliefs, their traditions are inside of you. Those beliefs and teachings and traditions have separated you from God.

The right hemisphere of the brain is the Garden of Eden.

It is Gods pleasant portion within where all people should be going, but very few go there because pastors have warned them about meditation .

Why have they warned about meditation that separates us from thought, because separating from thought separates you from them.

Gods pleasant portion , the Garden of Eden which is the right hemisphere of the brain has become a wasteland because pastors have kept people away.






IT'S ALL IN YOUR MIND

Using the bible and science we are arriving at very significant documentation that those things described in the Bible and experienced in life as sacred, are actually things inside the human brain mind.

The Garden of Eden, The tree of life, the Red Sea, the Exodus, the virgin birth, the crucifixion, God, Jesus , everything referred to by the Bible is actually an energy inside of each of us and available to each of us.








YOU CAN TOUCH

ALL OF THESE THINGS

Yes, we can go back to the Garden of Eden by meditation, yes we can eat of the tree of life by meditation, yes we can cross the Red Sea, and allow the crucifixion of Jesus and the resurrection and virgin birth , and everything else that the Bible speaks of by meditation.

And so we have been looking at the beginnings which come to us in the book of Genesis which is actually the Book of Genetics, the form and creation of all things.







THE RIGHT HEMISPHERE

OF THE BRAIN

We found that the Garden of Eden is actually a reference to the right hemisphere of the brain.

That Adam was Atom and it was an ionic bond or taking an electron from Adam/Atom and placing it in Atom/Eve that created all life.

We have been taught that it was a rib that made Eve.

Women are not made from spare ribs.

It is symbolic language speaking of an ionic bond, and that is truly how positive and negative, male and female are made.

The serpent Eve was speaking to is the physical nature or the left hemisphere of the brain.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is actually thought that we cannot partake of while we are in meditation in the Garden of Eden.

Once we have a thought in meditation, we are immediately cast out of the Garden. We must separate from all thought in the Garden and we do this in meditation.

Meditation free from the thoughts of the left hemisphere or intellectual side.

When we are in such meditation free from thought, we are in Gods vineyard, the Garden of Eden.






YOU MUST GO

TO THE RIGHT SIDE



Psalms 80:14-15

14. O God look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine; 15. And the vineyard which your right hand has planted, and the branch that you made strong for yourself.

Do you see the prayer there ?

Look down from heaven and visit this vine (us) and the vineyard which your right hand planted. The right hemisphere of the brain.

The branch you made strong for yourself.

he God part in your secret place, the Jesus part.

Referencing the right hemisphere. The place of the spirit within you, the 90%.






CAST YOUR NET

TO THE RIGHT SIDE

John 21:6

6. And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and you shall find.

Here you notice Jesus says to cast your net to the right side.

It is all talking about the same thing within you.

The right hemisphere of the brain.



THE DOOR TO THE HOLY PLACE

1 Kings 6:8

8. The door for the middle chamber was in the right side of the house: and they went up with winding stairs into the middle chamber, and out of the middle into the third.

Here it says that in the construction of the temple the door to the holy place is in the right side.

Also notice they winding stairs. That is the serpentine Kundalini motion up the 7 chakras or nerve centers of the spine.

The holy of holies of the temple is the right side inside of you, as is the garden of Eden.






THE GARDEN OF EDEN

EASTWARD

The garden of Eden is a very important place.

It is the place of Genetics or Genesis, it is the place of origins.

But how can we connect it to the right side or the right hemisphere of the brain.

Genesis 2:8-10

And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

The important thing about the garden here, is it is planted Eastward.

Whenever you look north, East is on the right side.

So the garden was planted on the right side in Eden.

That is where we were originally placed. It is the place of the spirit, it is the 90%.

And so the Garden of Eden, Gods pleasant portion, which pastors have kept us from visiting is actually the right side or higher mind that we move towards in meditation.

Notice that that place on the right side is where man, the mind was initially placed.

Initially human kind worked out of the right side, called the right hemisphere.

Don’t think of a flesh and bone man, think of that person whom you are inside of that body.

Initially that light which we are ,did not occupy the intellectual left side.

It took direction from the right side.


TREE OF LIFE

TREE OF KNOWLEDGE

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The ground is not the ground ground.

It is not the dirt. How do we know ? Simple.

The text says that out of the ground grew the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

THESE ARE NOT REAL TREES

Notice that the trees are pleasant to the sight and good for food.

That means that the thoughts that grow out of the right side are good to guide us externally and good to keep us well internally.

Sight and food are the key words.

Notice that the tree of life is in the midst of the garden.

This is the same as the tabernacle or temple which the 12 tribes circled about in the desert.

t is the center, the tree of life, the dwelling place of God etc. It all is the same reference.



TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE

OF GOOD AND EVIL

Now there is also the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which would be the left side.

The intellect.

The side that we use most of the time that gives us so much good but at the same time so many problems.

We have ice cream, we have fun, we have family and friends,and love, and we also have stress, and fear, and family problems, and wars, and all the rest.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


THE RIVER

Genesis 2:10, And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it parted, and became four heads.

This scripture provides us additional evidence to confirm that the garden is actually the human brain mind.

Notice that the river flowing out of Eden became four heads.

Here we see from Stedmans Medical Dictionary that in the brain there is a river of cerebral spinal fluid that becomes four heads.

Between the arachnoid layer and the pia mater flows a river of cerebrospinal fluid that bathes the brain and provides a soft, fluid, protective cushion. The cerebrospinal fluid originates from the walls of an interconnected cave located deep within the brain. The chambers of this cave, the ventricles, are four in number.

This adds credence to the supposition that the garden of Eden and the trees in its midst is actually talking about the human brain mind.

So we have reached a good reasonable meaning to the Garden of Eden, and the Temple, that both are referencing the human brain mind.

That opens the Bible and its cast of characters to more involvement in the human brain mind and less and less to the external references of the stories.



THE TEMPLE and PIA MATER

The brain as the temple is 3 main parts.

Dura Mater, (hard mother), Pia Mater (tender mother), and Arachnoid the web or curtain separating the two.

The temple as the brain is 3 main parts.

Outer Holy Place, inner Holy of Holies, with the two separated by the veil or the curtain.



Thus, the Garden of Eden is the temple and the temple is the garden of Eden.

Just a different story talking about the same things.

In the brain Pia Mater or Tender Mother is the Holy of Holies. It is the inner most sensitive part of the brain.

Pia Mater is the temple, it is the womb of the virgin where the child of promise or Jesus is born.

Pia Mater is the garden of Eden where the tree of life grows.

Pia means tender. Mater of course means mother.

EDEN

When you look at the word Eden and break down the roots of the word it presents something very interesting.

The word Eden is from the Hebrew word delight.

In addition there is a root word, tenderness.

Tender mother, Pia Mater, Garden of Eden.

Of course this does not mean that Pia Mater is the garden of Eden but it connects it.

You have to look at things that way as you research ancient texts because words have changed so.

Thus you look at the roots and see the connection, and here we see that Eden is connected to Tender.

Pia which is tender is the location of the most sensitive part of the brain mind. Thus it becomes evidence.

This is the area of the brain mind called the right hemisphere.

The emotional, spiritual side as opposed to the left which is the intellectual and physical side.

So we are considering right as opposed to left, not right as opposed to wrong.

In the Bible we also see a heavy emphasis on the word East which when you are looking North just happens to be on the right side.

When we see the scripture referring to right and east, they are the same place in directing one to the Holy Place.

The right hemisphere of the brain.




THE SERPENT IN THE GARDEN

In the Garden of Eden, the story goes that Eve talked to the serpent and the serpent convinced Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Obviously this is mythology which is so apparent because the tree is of the knowledge of good and evil.

That reference to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the left hemisphere.

When we are in meditation, we are focusing on the music, it allows us to concentrate on the sounds and thus we are free from thought.

We are not eating from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. We have broken off our conversation with the serpent, we have turned away from the physical or the serpent.

The serpent is a symbol of the spine which represents the physical or left side.

When we separate from thought in meditation we are no longer listening to the serpent.

But as we all know, while we are in meditation, the serpent is there to tempt us to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which simply means to concentrate on the things of the physical or the left side, to begin thinking.

As soon as we begin to think in meditation we are expelled from the Garden of Eden.

But keep in mind every precious second we are able to spend in the garden brings forth the living things of a new life and new direction.

The Garden of Eden within you.

TALKING WITH THE SERPENT

IS TALKING WITH OURSELVES

And so in our meditation, turning away from the serpent, not eating of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, we present ourselves pure to finally be allowed to eat of the tree of life which is in the center of the garden or the human brain mind.

Try to understand the Garden of Eden to be the higher mind or place within that is free of anything connected to the left or physical side.

Adam and Eve representing atom energy which actually is us inside. The serpent representing the body or intellectual left side and the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil representing thoughts of the left side.

The tree of life is also there in the right side and is our goal if you will.

It connects us to God and provides us with eternity.

Not the physical body, that’s the left side, that’s the serpent side, that’s the tree of the knowledge of good and evil side.

WE ARE ADAM/ATOM

It is the us inside.

The light the atom that we truly are.

So lets see about reaching the tree of life.

And remember it is attainable through meditation.

Genesis 2:8-9

8. And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So there we have a description of what is within us. What is available to us.

The Garden is Eastward which means it is on the right side. It is the right hemisphere and there is where we initially were placed.

There in the right side are the mystical trees of the spirit. Those things that enter us and build us for healing and happiness.

And also there is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That connects us to the thoughts of the left side while we are in meditation.

And also the tree of life.

You don’t have to be a scholar to know this is not talking about physical earth trees.



Genesis 3:22-24

22. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23. Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.



Here is a very interesting description of what occurs.

Not something that happened.

This is mythology, it is something that happens. Don’t think of this as thousands of years ago. Think of this as something that goes on now.

Your in meditation. You are separated from thoughts.

You are totally submitted. You are in the garden, waiting to be allowed to eat of the tree of life.

You then are contacted by the spine, the serpent, or the left physical side and you begin to think. You are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Now you have become as one of the supreme light beings.

You are thinking, you are planning or analyzing ,and yet you are in the right side or the garden.

That cannot be.

Those in the garden must only receive from the invisible, or spiritual. Nothingness.

As soon as you begin to use the intellect while in the right side, you are sent out to the left side. You are out of meditation. You cannot have thought and be in meditation.

Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

In other words we are back trying to sort things out. Trying to think things out.

Notice to till the ground from whence he was taken.

The physical body is made by people.

That is taken by God to house the light which is created by God.

But here the light in the body must leave the garden because it is involved in thought.

It must till the ground. Not the physical earth, the human brain mind.

You don’t till the ground in the garden of God. The right side.

Proverbs 3:13-17

13. Happy is the man that finds wisdom, and the man that gets understanding.

14. For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof is better then fine gold.

15. She is more precious than rubies: and all the things you can desire are not to be compared to her.

16. Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.

16. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.

This is talking about peace, health, understanding.

It is wisdom.

Happy is the person that finds wisdom.

And notice length of days. Eternal life is in her right hand.

Notice the reference to her. Pia Mater. Tender mother. Virgin mother. Within you.

Notice also within you from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is riches and honor.

It is not necessarily bad but when the left side rules it is bad.

Honor obviously can be good but it also can be bad if it is deception.

People saluted Hitler.

But how do we find this wisdom. This understanding.

Proverbs 1:2-6

2. To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

3. To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

4. To give subtilty(fine delecate) to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

5. A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

3. To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

So as you can see wisdom that is to be found by us is summed up as being available to those who understand how to interpret ancient writings.

The words of the wise and their dark sayings, in other words Hidden Meanings.

Revelation 2:7

7. He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches; To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

There is your promise. To the one that overcomes the serpent.

To the one who does not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil while in the garden of Eden in meditation.

I will give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

The paradise of God would be within the Kingdom of God would it not ?

SO WHERE IS IT ?

Luke 17:21 The kingdom of god is within you.

There is your answer concerning the tree of life, the Garden of Eden, the paradise of God .

It is within you and available to you.

Revelation 22:1-2

1. And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

So we see the river of the water of life in the brain.

And then a description of the tree of life which again connects to the brain described as baring 12 manner of fruits.

The 12 manner of fruit, the twelve tribes, the twelve disciples, the 12 signs of the Zodiac, the 12 months and most importantly the 12 manner of fruit , the 12 cranial nerves of the brain.

The twelve cranial nerves no longer under control of the left side but now part of the Garden of God and the right side .

Now part of the tree of life.

That is the fulfillment of Revelation.

THE TWELVE CRANIAL NERVES

The cranial nerves when they come under control of the spirit or right side bring forth healing for the entire world.

As it says. The leaves are for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:14 .Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.



Again the city has 12 gates which is the Heavenly Jerusalem which the Bible says is free and is the mother of us all.

This is your challenge.

You must answer the question, is the city open.

And you can answer yes as you enter into meditation and abstain from the tree of the knowledge of God and evil and seek the tree of life.


bh

[quote name='truethat' date='Jul 1 2007, 06:53 PM' post='1753295']
Genesis 3

Adam and Eve in the garden have a fall from grace. In other words they decided on their own to "try something" and when the result came back not what they were hoping they attempted to fix in. So they tried to cover themselves with clothing.



THE MAN CALLED MANI

From 210AD to 276 AD a person born in Iran existed by the name of Mani. He founded one of the major ancient religions called Manichaeism.



The most striking principle of Manichee theology is its dualism.. The universe is considered a battlefield for control between an evil material god, and a good spiritual god. Christians recognized the evil god in Satan but could not accept the idea that Satan had as much power as God. Christians held that Satan, unlike God, is a created being. The term Manichaeistic is often used to describe any religion with a similar concept of struggle between good and evil.



The Manichees made every effort to include all known religious traditions in their faith. As a result, they preserved many apocryphal Christian works, such as the Acts Of Thomas, that otherwise would have been lost. Mani was eager to describe himself as a "disciple of Jesus Christ", but the orthodox church rejected him as a heretic.





THE GARDEN OF EDEN

The story of Adam and Eve is probably the one that got Mani in the most trouble which eventually led to him being killed.

In the mythical tale he explained the Good God as the Serpent and the Evil God as the one we recognize as the Good God.



Mani said that the serpent told Eve the truth. That if she took of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil she would become as God and not die as the Evil God told her.

Mani in identifying the serpent as the Good Spiritual God made it clear that the God we identified as Good was the evil physical God because he lied when he told Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit they would die.

The serpent who Mani said was the Good Spiritual God told Eve that if they ate the fruit they would not die but would become as God which was true.

That statement about identifying which voice was the Good God, the invisible one or the serpent is borne out in this scripture.








LIAR

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



So you see Mani is saying that the serpent is the Good God because he told the truth when he said that by eating the fruit, Adam and Eve would become as God, whereas God told them they would die.



Look.






YOU DECIDE, WHO TOLD THE TRUTH?





Genesis 2:16. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: 17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.



OK That's God's side, now let's hear from the Serpent



Genesis 3:4. And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not die:

5. For God knows that in the day you eat that, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.



Now we have two entities here.



One says if you eat you shall die. The other says that’s a lie you will not die but if you eat you shall be as gods.



So who is the liar and remember the Bible says Satan the Devil is the father of lies.

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HERE IS THE ANSWER



Genesis 3:22. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23. Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden



So there is the answer.



The Bible says that it is Satan that is a liar and the father of lies. In this story it is the Serpent that said you will not die you will be as Gods.



It was God that said you will die.



According to the Bible they did not die but became as Gods. You can see for yourself, “man is become as one of us”.



Therefore it was the Serpent who was telling the truth and God who was lying.



Thus who is Satan?



So Mani is correct.



But the religious leaders of the time were totally against his teaching and they asked him who told him this about the Good Spiritual God and the Bad Physical God.



Mani replied that an angel told him.



They asked Mani, what was the Angels name ?



Mani said the angels name was, the twin





THE TWIN





According to biographical accounts , during his youth, Mani received a revelation from an angel whom he called the Twin, who taught him the divine truths of the religion



ManI was then executed by the religious leaders of the day, but he was the first to introduce us not only to this eye opening explanation of Genesis, but also to the concept of the twin.





ON TO

THE QUANTUM WORLD





The twin suddenly brings the strange angelic visitor into the realm of the life force as understood in quantum physics.



In the quantum world, two or more particles can share the same quantum existence, known as a wave function, giving particles that are joined at the hip in this way extraordinary properties.



Measuring one of these quantum twins instantaneously determines the quantum state of the other, even if they are on opposite sides of the universe.



In other words in this case these are absolute twins that share the same existence.

I ask you to consider that when you go to bed and dream.



It is you experiencing that but is it the same you that went to bed.



Could it be the other you in the parallel universe experiencing what you consider a dream





TELEPORTATION





We have discussed quantum teleportation in the past but it would be well just to look at it again for a few minutes in light of Mani saying back in 200AD that the angel who told him of the truth was called the twin.



TELEPORTATION is a Science Fiction staple.

People and objects are disintegrated, beamed across the universe in the blink of an eye, and reconstructed on a remote planet

The trouble is, fundamental physics has always said teleportation cannot possibly ever work.

Until recently, that is.

AN EXAMPLE

It's possible to prepare two particles – P and Q, say – in such a way that they're intimately related, like quantum twins.



Let's separate P and Q, and send them as far apart as we like. They're still both in the indeterminate state.



Now let's measure P, and say we discover it's in state 0.



Instantaneously, this means that particle Q, which may be light-years away on the other side of the universe, instantly assumes the opposite state – it's now definitely spinning as a 1.



Entanglement has been known theoretically for decades, but it's only recently been proven by experiment.



"Entanglement means if you tickle one the other one laughs", says Caltech physicist Jeff Kimble, one of the researchers to first demonstrate entanglement in the lab.



So then think about this. If you put one to sleep does that wake the other one up and so what you are experiencing in a dream is a reality taking place in another universe.








BIBLICAL TWINS





Twins are spoken of in the Bible.



Jacob and Esau.



One was favored as doing what was right as the other was not and considered doing what was wrong. Is this speaking of the same person in quantum entanglement.



Quantum entanglement which is the twin at the other side of the universe interacting with the twin here, has been proven in atoms.



So what does science say about that.








QUANTUM PHYSICS SAYS


So you can teleport an atom, and people are made of atoms ... well, the answer to the obvious question is at best "who knows?"



You can already try quantum computation for yourself, by running a simulator on your PC. As for teleporting yourself across the universe, you might have to wait a little longer.



That report is from Toby Howard who is an instructor at the University of Manchester.



The bottom line here is the scientific reality of there being more then one of you living in a parallel universe. This is not science fiction but scientific reality.



I hold to the thought that the most evident event that occurs to all of us is during what we call a dream.



When the you here shuts down---- the you there activates.






DAVID DEUTSCH



I would like to introduce you to another scientist who is considered an expert in this field. His name is David Deutsch








David Deutsch's research in quantum physics has been influential and highly acclaimed. His papers on quantum computation laid the foundations for that field, breaking new ground in the theory of computation as well as physics, and have triggered an explosion of research efforts worldwide.
His work has revealed the importance of quantum effects in the physics of time travel, and he is an authority on the theory of parallel universes.
Born in Haifa, Israel, David Deutsch was educated at Cambridge and Oxford universities. After several years at the University of Texas at Austin, he returned to Oxford, where he now lives and works. He is a member of the Quantum Computation and Cryptography Research Group at the Clarendon Laboratory, Oxford University



I want you to see some comments from David Deutsch which relate to your existence.







DAVID DEUTSCH SPEAKS



Our "twins" in parallel universes are just as real as we are, says David Deutsch.



The notion that our world is somehow more real is derived not from experience (since each "world" seems equally real to its inhabitants), nor from quantum mechanics (in an absolute sense there are no splits at all, and no moment when your unseen counterparts can no longer affect you



Now this man is not crazy.



He is not radical, he’s a physicist and a quantum physicist which opens the curtain on an existence that none of us could even conceive exists but one which certainly can clarify Biblical references and our own obsession with spirits and angels etc.



Our twins in parallel universes.



Our existence not only in this physical reality but in another physical reality as well.



Sometimes when we feel the way we do we have a difficult time figuring out why. Everything seems to be going all right but still in spite of that we may feel down with no explanation. Listen to this from David Deutsch.



To the extent that your decisions depend on random events, there are indeed other, equally real, versions of you in other universes, who chose differently and are now enduring the consequences



Wow. Isn’t that interesting.



Another version of you and me in another real existence making a decision on something that has a negative effect.



Then the question would be. Could that effect actually enter into our other psyche here. This opens up all kinds of possible solutions to the question of puzzling behavior doesn’t it.



DAVID DEUTSCH GOES ON


Photons, atoms, and quantum computations have invisible, differently behaving counterparts, but you still cling to the belief that you exist in only one copy.



I don't think this makes sense, because you are made of atoms, and if they have invisible counterparts, so must you.



So here is the basis on which our multiple existence is based. It is based on the scientific fact that atoms have twins and since we are all made of atoms then so must we.



AGAIN DAVID DEUTSCH


What quantum mechanics describes is not a single universe but something that "is constantly branching into different 'worlds,' in one of which I am speaking to you , in another of which I am speaking to someone else."



Reality consists of a multiverse, an enormous entity which, on a gross scale, has a structure that resembles many copies of the universe of classical physics, but which is, on a sufficiently fine scale, a single, unified system.



So here we enter the existence of a world order that is far and beyond our fantasy to conceive. Our vibrations, our thoughts, our impulses, our electricity constantly branching into different worlds in which we operate as real as we are operating here.






SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING ELSE





In other words you are now at this very moment doing something somewhere else which is not related to what you are doing here.



But as the second paragraph says, in spite of the fact that there are many universes they are still a single unified system.



So then the condition can exist that though we do not know what we are currently doing elsewhere its effects on us can transcend that world into this world and vice versa because the system is really one.



DAVID DEUTSCH CONTINUES


Despite the fact that "quantum mechanics picks out no one of these 'worlds' or branches as special," people still want to believe that "these other 'worlds' do not exist in the way that this one does.



It surely follows that the thing that singles out our own branch as more real than all the others is nowhere to be found in quantum mechanics.



Nor is it, of course, anywhere to be found in our experience, since, "each one of these 'worlds' seems equally real to its inhabitants." So where is it to be found?



People can talk about heaven and hell as real places but when they are faced with the existence of parallel universes with not only real people living in them who are actually twins of themselves, they cannot deal with it.



Yet quantum physics shows that it is absolutely true.



In the second paragraph the question is asked as to where the reality of the parallel universes and people who are us may be found.



Since we experience absolute reality we cannot consider that the other reality exists though we actually also exist in that other reality and in that reality we cannot conceive that this reality exists.



So where do we look for an understanding of this reality.



DAVID DEUTSCH CONTINUES



It is found in (or rather, demanded by) philosophy - and in particular, I believe, by the sterile philosophy of positivism and related doctrines that have been impeding scientific progress for the last seventy-odd years.



Now let’s take a look at that word positivism because it comes out of the 19th century.





Definition of positivism:
The theory that genuine knowledge is acquired by science and that metaphysical speculation has no validity.

METAPHYSICS:

The branch of philosophy that examines the nature of reality, including the relationship between mind and matter, substance and attribute, fact and value.



So let us look once again at what Deutsch identifies as the problem with understanding the twin.



It is found in (or rather, demanded by) philosophy - and in particular, I believe, by the sterile philosophy of positivism and related doctrines that have been impeding scientific progress for the last seventy-odd years.



So Deutsch says that the reason we are ignorant about ourselves and the nature of life and understanding the invisible worlds is because of doctrines that refute the need to investigate the sub atomic.



Religious doctrines that say there is no way but their way. They place everything in the sub atomic realm as belonging to religious principles and so there is never a way to understand the existence of other worlds or parallel universes.



It is the traditional way.



The problem with their approach to reality is that is once you go into the sub atomic world of quantum science is turned upside down.



The reality of science does not apply in the quantum or sub atomic world but that is where people actually exist.



You can read in the Bible about people that were supposedly dead suddenly showing up such as Moses etc. There was a story in what is termed the transfiguration of Moses and others who had been physically dead thousands of years suddenly turning up in physical form.








THE TRANSFIGURATION






Matthew 17:1. And after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into a high mountain apart, 2. And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.



3. And, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.



Now of course this scene is mythology.



It did not actually happen, but could it be referring to the appearance of those from a parallel universe.



Giving the reality of quantum mechanics the death on this plane would simply reinforce the life on the other and what science would come in to play that would allow our twin from a parallel universe to appear here.



But as Deutsch said, as long as you have religion to say this is evil and all of that, then there is no possibility to understand the true nature of reality.



Could the appearance of Katie King to William Crookes be consistent with the appearance of Moses and Elias to Jesus and the rest in the Biblical story.



Why not ?



But you see people will believe with no doubt the Biblical story and yet castigate William Crookes as some kind of kook.



Let’s look at what is called the Paradox of Time Travel.






A PARADOX IN TIME TRAVEL.


What if you found a portal to a parallel universe?



What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds where it's the same year and you're the same person, but everything else is different? And what if you can't find your way home?".



For the physicists, they know these questions all too well.



So here is the grandfather twin paradox.



A grandson travels back in time to kill his grandfather.



The grandson kills his grandfather before his grandfather has kids.



How could the grandson still exist if he kills his grandfather?



Now these questions are ridiculous to us who live in the everyday world of the 5 senses. But to physicists such as David Deutsch and the others these are the questions that they ponder preparing for the day when people actually do travel to parallel universes.



As far as physicists are concerned it is not a matter of whether this will be possible but when.



So David Deutsch gives his comment to this question.



The grandson will continue to exist because he has not killed his grandfather, but another man from a parallel universe.



In quantum cosmology there is no single history of space, forming a single space-time, all universes history takes place simultaneously. Duetsch has hypothesized that each universe does not have an effect on the other, they are all different.



This opens another factor in the quantum world.



Namely nature will not allow you to carry out an activity in one universe that will effect what happens in the other.



So that even though the grandson went to the other universe to kill his grandfather before he had any children, he could not do that since it would have an impacting effect on the original universe.



What David Deutsch does comment on that is quite interesting would be the ability of the grandson to return to this universe once he wishes to.



The journey back is not simple.

There is no guarantee that one may end up in the same universe they originated from.



But anyway what happened is that the grandson was trying to do something that universal law would not allow and wound up killing someone else.



Here is the comment from Deutsch.



It is clear, time travel can occur without creating troublesome paradoxes.



Therefore once time travel can be performed certain restrictions must be made. People can not perform self-contradictory acts when they time travel



All of these things can do little but place our heads in a state of perpetual confusion.



But what we have been looking at are the thoughts of those who by experimenting in the laboratory know that what they speak of is not science fiction but reality.



Of course the only ones whom they can talk to about these things are each other.

That is what I have tried to present to you today.



But these strange comments on parallel universes etc have tremendous implications for us, our existence and our future as well as our understanding of spirit and the Bible as well as all religious convictions.



Nowhere will you find in so many words the existence of such things as we have discussed today but it would be up to you to look into this more deeply in which case you will come back with an understanding that you do exist in different universes and when one shuts down here what will be left will be the other you there.



I am sure you have many questions.



One that I had concerning the parallel universe is where the grandson went to the parallel universe to kill his grandfather could we go to a parallel universe to meet ourselves.



More to come.



bh

taking the Bible literally. One occurred in Kiev Russia where a man jumped over the fence
into a lions den at a zoo. He said that God would protect him as he did Daniel. He walked
up to the lions and a lioness grabbed him by the throat. Of course he died. In Taipei
Formosa and man went into the lion’s den to convert the lions to Christianity.


He walked up to the Lions and told them not to be afraid, that Jesus would protect them. Luckily the
lions had just been fed, so they knocked this guy down and bit his leg. He survived
because of quick work on the part of the zoo attendants who drove the lions off with fire
extinguishers.



WHY WOULD PEOPLE DO SUCH THINGS?


There are people who have emotional problems and sit in church listening to preachers rant and rave about how God protects his people as he protected Daniel in the Lions Den.
Then they are challenged to have faith and so they demonstrate their faith in very
dangerous ways.


PEOPLE TAKE SCRIPTURE LITERALLY AND GET INTO TROUBLE
Mark 16:18. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. That’s what the scripture says but it does not literally mean that you should take up serpents, or drink poison. Most religious people stay away from the first two and just lay hands on the sick because that’s a pretty safe thing to do. But that means that Jesus was wrong on the first
two.


THE WORDS OF JESUS

The words of Jesus are not wrong. But they are not literal. They are spiritual. That is where so many make the mistake. There are churches in the South where people in services pick
up poisonous snakes to show their faith. Many of them get bit and die.

WHAT DO THE WORDS ACTUALLY MEAN?


Back in the Old Testament, Moses was talking to God in another mythological story and Moses was afraid to go to Pharaoh because he had no power and because no one would
listen to him. So God says to him, what is that in your hand?


And he said, a rod.

The rod is literally the walking stick that Moses is depicted as using. Actually it is a
symbol of the spine. That which we lean on. That which holds us up. It is a symbol of our
physical existence, the things we can see and feel.


In other words we are dependent on the physical aspects of life. We must be supported by
the physical.


TURN LOOSE FROM YOUR DEPENDENCE ON THE PHYSICAL


Throw it on the ground. In other words, let go of it. Let go of your need to depend on the
physical. How do you do that? In meditation when you sit in darkness and totally open
your mind to the higher. You turn loose your dependence on others, on religion, on
government, on family, on everything, and open yourself to God. That is what throwing
down the rod means.


TURN LOOSE FROM THE PHYSICAL AND TAKE UP THE SERPENT

And when you do that it becomes the serpent. When you separate from thought, throw down the rod, it becomes the serpent we know from Eastern teachings as Kundalini. The energy begins to flow up the spine in a serpentine motion. We then are overwhelmed by
the power of the higher, the energy of God. We took up the serpent by entering into
meditation and separating ourselves from the physical thoughts of the human brain mind.


DRINKING POISON AND LAYING HANDS ON THE SICK



This refers to that which we take inside of ourselves. In other words we will not be deceived by people who admonish us to support the violence and the neglect of the poor and sick. Systems that are not there to help those who cannot help themselves. In other words you may swallow what they say but the light inside of you from meditation will force you to throw it up. They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Well unless you are a chiropractor this simply will not work. This is speaking of the meditative energy that you direct to others that will cause them to think differently. They will not support the
violence against others and the violence against nature.


DANIEL AND THE LIONS


This mythology, which unfortunately was taken literally by people who recently jumped into the lion’s den, is a symbolic tale using the lions to represent the systems of the world, religions, governments, etc. Daniel represents those who have been strengthened within so that they can live in the midst of the warring minds, the power grabbers, and yet not be touched by their external actions. They will roar and you will hear them but they will not harm you. In other words they will never be able to destroy your spirit no matter how loud
they roar.

Do you think the story of Lot is literal or symbolic?


This story of Lot is the most touchy subject of all, due to the symbolism expressed.

And because of that, it has been a thorn in many minds. Why should it be in the bible at all? again, it is because of the unknown, hidden meaning. Like the Song of Solomon and other exoteric expressions of symbolism which were currnt in those days, probably the deeper, hidden meaning behind the personae was sensed and thus remained in the text.

The story says a righteous man lived in the wicked city of Sodom.(his lower nature) Here the original evil is portrayed as two cities or centers of consciousness, which were misused and only the fire from above could purify them.

Lot remaind untouched in the two cities (centers)(solar plexus vs. Brain) but when two angels of the lord entered, the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah, and Jehovah's intention to destroy the cities by fire, were made known to lot.
Lot was willing to surrender his two virgin daughters to the mob in order to save the two strangers who were the angels of God.

His two daughters represent two unsuccessful spiritual efforts of long duration. but, in order to keep the Grace of the SPIRIT of Jehovah whuch had come into the house (brain), he was willing to give up many claims of rewards for his efforts.

The spirit saved him by bringing him to a higher consciousness, a higher realm, upward. he and his wife and two daughters were ushered out of the two centers while these chakras of consciousnessw were being purified and destroyed by fire. His negative aspect of desire for a home in matter, symbolized by his wife, looked back and froze or crystallized into a pilar of salt, the essense of not giving up the earthly desires of the soul. The looking back signifies when you and I try to hold on to that which is in material matter. Looking back at your lower nature

Now he dwelt in a cave with his two daughters, in the mountains, signify a higher state of consciousness, and the cave refers to a center of consciousness within. A safety zone.

Here the scarifice and all his efforts in Spiritual growth were rewarded by the lord. Having surrendered his will (ego) to God , his progress bore fruit. The two daughters were unsuccessful spiritual endeavors. The wine which intoxicated him, was the reward of spiritual progress. in all humility, he
continued his efforts for the inward journey, and he overcame, like Noah and Jonah. His efforts bore fruit, symbolized by the birth of a son to each daughter. Each became a nation (Pure thoughts) of complete growth of their own kind. Such is the symbnolism of old, which is like a nut with a hard shell that breaks many a tooth.

He overcame the carnal or lower nature, but he lost his wife, which symbolized part of his lower nature ruled by his ego.


In the bible killing children and sacrificing human lives, are but symbolic statements, denoting, killing out those thoughts that hamper your upward spiritual growth. And wine always symbolizes the spirit, blood the life force of God.

The bible is steeped in this symbolic tradition, and breaking the code if you will, is the only way to the nut inside. You wull break a tooth.

All of the bible stories are but, stories signifying the souls journey back home to the fathers house, as in the prodigal son. the story of the prodigal son is an allegory refering to each persons soul wanderings through life, it gets weary of such meandering and comes home to the father.


The kingdom of god is within you; In him we live, move and have our being.

The wedding feast of the souls is the summation of the bible. God rejoices when you finally turn to him.

The fire and brimstone always raining down in the bible is always the purifying spark of god, that takes place in the fornix of the brain, where your thoughts hover about, like the animals, creepy things and flying things of the noah allegory.

The bible is a physcholgy book teaching you to get your mind right LUKE!!!







bh

Should this be taken literally?


According to the bible. "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee".etc. mat.5:21


Of course this does mean that we should remove the physical eye, but we should REMOVE THE sensory current from the focus of the mind. That temptation and trials will come your way, and that in itself is not sin.


The SIN is committed when we DWELL on them, and continue to focus attention on them, either with or wothout acting uopn them, simply because this stifles the psyche and keeps one from progressing, you should not dwell on anything you've done wrong, just turn away from the thing and dont do it again.

People have been known to physically blind themselves or to put on physical blinders, because of this admonition in the bible, simply because they did not realize that it was the DESIRE and the THOUGHT behind it that had to be plucked out, while retaining the organ of sight.


Destruction of the physical organ adds insult to injury and still does not eradicate the desire or craving. In fact by doing so, the evil is intensified. And one does not become saintly by not having physical sight.
"And if thy right habd hand offend thee cut it off, and cast it from thee". Mat 5:30
Here again the thought is what should be cut off, renounce it and clear it from the mind, giving it no further energy.


This makes excellent advise and good psychology. I only mention this because just recently here in california, a professed reborn christian, and ex con, removed his eye with a knife, it was in the local paper. You see how taking the bible literally can goof your life up. Crippling yourself through physical mutilation solves nothing, as this man will learn, to his sorrow.

It is only the agent through which the mental and emotional currents expressed as sensory motor action, that should be cut off. Lest you remove an eye
One must understand the mystical interpretation of the scripture to find the Jewels.

One more good example of symbolism
I actually work with a fellow that told me he could, with enough faith actually cast a mountain into the sea. Literally.

Base on the scripture; "if you have the faith of a mustard seed, say to this move and cast it into the sea".

Now through out the world, we know that mountains means, obstacle, hurdles, personal problems, to OVERCOME.
So when you believe in yourself, that you can better your life, and overcome the obstacles that are blocking your desire, you have cast the mountain into the sea.

Nothing more than good psychological sense.


The Bible as a symbol.

Is the bible symbolic. we must use the bible itself to see.

2 corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not the letter, but of the
spirit; for the LETTER (literal) killeth, but the spirit giveth lifr (understanding). So theres the bible itself
telling us not to take it literal.


Galations 4:24 "Which things are an allegory. Remember the definition of myth include the word allegory,
teeling us its symbolic.

Matthew 13:34 :all things spake jesus unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable spake he
not unto them: The bible is saying that all of jesus statements were symbolic, as he himself was the
symbol of the greek sun, horus and amen ra the sun god of egypt and many more.
I have called my son out of egypt.


Psalm 78:2 'I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter DARK sayings of old: Here the bible states that
god speaks in parables. And what are dark sayings of old. Obviously there are symbolic statements. Not

Jane, this is why

The Bible as a symbol.

Is the bible symbolic. we must use the bible itself to see.

2 corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not the letter, but of the
spirit; for the LETTER (literal) killeth, but the spirit giveth life (understanding). So theres the bible itself
telling us not to take it literal.


Galations 4:24 "Which things are an allegory. Remember the definition of myth include the word allegory,
telling us its symbolic.


Matthew 13:34 :all things spake Jesus unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable spake he
not unto them: The bible is saying that all of jesus statements were symbolic, as he himself was the symbol of the Greek sun, horus and amen ra the sun god of Egypt and many more.


I have called my son out of Ggypt. Psalm 78:2 'I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter DARK sayings of old: Here the bible states that god speaks in parables. And what are dark sayings of old. Obviously there are symbolic statements. Not literal





bh

not to be rude or anything but could you maybe sum up what you're going to say instead of 1 post a page?

Samples of how to read the Bible



1. "...thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;"
Psalms 30:11
Sackcloth represents the poor. In this case the spirit is poor. The person is down. God has provided a new spirit and the depression is lifted.


2. "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
donkeys, an whose emission was like that of horses." Ezekiel 23:20


"She" is the mind. The mind lusts after the lower physical things. The genitals represent life, creation, origins. The geneitals of the lower are brutish and stubborn (donkey).

They are the kinds of thoughts that will not follow the higher. They stay where they are. The emission means the seed that enters "her". Its life is brutish and stubborn but its origin is the horse which is the carrier to heaven. The horse is always used to transport the Gods to heaven, like Pegasus.

The heaven however is the mind that is controlled by the stubborn brutish nature. The combination of the two is a person who is very stubborn and brutish but takes charge and directs things from the lower or physicl nature.

3. "Fair Babylon, you destroyer happy those who pay you back the evil
you have done us! Happy is he who siezes your babies and dashes them
against the rocks." Psalm 137:8-9


Babylon is the lower mind which is filled with attraction to the physical. It is not spiritual at all. To seize the minds babies is to cut off the new thoughts. The ideas and concepts that are born out of the lower mind are considered babies and to dash them against the rocks is to destroy the misguided new thoughts and concepts through the spirit which is steady. The Bible refers to it as the rock of salvation and the old song is called Rock of Ages.

4. "And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a
hairy man, and I am a smooth man:" Gen 27:11


Hair that grows out of the body can mean either the Spirit or the physical senses which must be cut away. It depends on the sect. Some cut their hair such as Buddhists because to them hair symbolizes thoughts from the lower mind. Others let their hair grow (Islam) because it represents spirit. Here Esau who is the culprit in the story has hair which means lower thoughts while Jacob is of the spirit without lower thoughts growing from him.

5. "Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts
satisfy thee at all times" Proverbs 5:19


Her means the higher spirit. The inner light. Hind and Roe are deer which are symbols of a closeness to nature and a leaping toward the higher nature. The breasts provide milk which is spiritual food. Understanding , enlightenment. Thus the proverb says to allow the mind to commune with nature reaching up to the higher and feed on the milk or understanding that comes forth from the new mind.

Can you interpret these verses?



7 "And you shall eat it as barley cakes; and bake it using fuel of
human waste in their sight."Ezekiel 4:12

8. "I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was
sweet to my taste." Solomon 2:3

9. "My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels
were moved for him." Solomon 5:4

10. "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men
with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open
their pregnant women." 2 Kings 8:12

11. "and you shall have a stick with your weapons; and when you sit down
outside, you shall dig a hole with it, and turn back and cover up your
excrement. Because the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp, to
save you and to give up your enemies before you, therefore your camp
must be holy, that he may not see anything indecent among you, and turn
away from you." Deut. 23:13-14



12. "I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. lev 26:16

Hard huh ! Its all symbols, dark sayings and allegory, the verses and stories in the bible are like hard nuts, that have cracked many a tooth, for the true seeker of truth.



We read other strange stories in our Bible, such as the following. The Lord told Moses to force Pharaoh by plagues to free the Israelites from bondage and captivity; but after each plague He hardened Pharaoh's heart. Samson was overcome, not by the ropes and willow branches which bound him but by having his hair cut off and being bound with that.

The walls of Jericho were brought down by shouts and trumpeting. A fig tree was cursed and withered by the Lord of Love for not bearing fruit early in the spring before the Passover

. All of these stories and many others are quoted when criticisms are directed against the Christian Scriptures and, unless one possesses the keys of interpretation, one must remain silent, unable to defend even one's own Bible.

It is that the Bible like other World Scriptures is written in a particular metaphorical language full of imagery and symbolism.

This very ancient language was designed to reveal deep truths, to convey metaphysical ideas, to describe supersensory states of consciousness and the spiritual experiences of exalted men and women.

The authors who wrote in this allegorical manner wanted to reveal these deeply hidden mysterious truths and to describe interior mystical experiences.

They used actual historical personages and actual geographical places to weave a representation of eternal truths. All earth myths used actual geographical plces and personages to weave theier myths around, the Bible is no different in this regard.

In the Jason and argo myth, Jason landed in georgia on the black sea, but its a myth, and everyone knows that, But you see the usage of actual geographical locations. Such is the nature of all myths.

In fact, not one single person portrayed in the Bible ever existed, including Jesus. Jesus is a picture of the sun, among a long list of past sun gods.

All of the personages and places in the Bible relate to the physical body, the emotional body and the intellectual mind. As with all myths the river jordan the land of egypt etc, have their true meaning in the human psyche.



And what did the fictitous biblical character Paul say ?

Paul said, go beyond the literal meaning of the Old Testament. He asks us to obey the spirit of the law, not the letter. "He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter."

(Romans 2:29) "We should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6) "The letter kills, but the spirit gives life." (2 Corinthians 3:6) Note: In all these cases the word letter means literal



Is there a real heaven and a real hell?

Remeber the Bible says dont be a minister of the LETTER (literal), but of the SPIRIT

And consider Proverbs 15:24 A word to the wise above (using your head) you can depart from Hell beneath, (being ruled by your lower nature).

You see Heaven and Hell are states of consciousness only and not literal, so relax.

Religion and Evangilists want you to believe its real so they can control you, so you will need them. And give them MONEY.


"One does not have to die in order to go to hell, any more than one has to die to get to heaven.

Both are states of mind and conditions, which people experience as a direct outworking of their thoughts, beliefs, words, and acts. If one's mental processes are out of harmony with the law of man's [sic] being, they result in trouble and sorrow; mental as well as bodily anguish overtakes one, and this is hell".



The lowest rung on the latter descending into Hell, is reserved for those who believe they will go to Hell, if they dont believe in Hell.



bh

Buddhahead,

This has been noted by others but I would also like to give a pointer or two when posting. This will not only improve your posts in quality but will also make them an interesting read.

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2. Cut your post length down or people won't even read them, but simply scroll down until something interesting catches their eye.

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4. Use colour and bold to outline and clarify your posts.

Finally, welcome to UM Forums, may your stay be a long and enjoyable one.

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Thank you Irish

Okay, Truethat, you're obviously the private eye around here. But keep your eye on the ball - as W.C. Fields said, and always think through love or you'll never get it completely right. Lots of people leave the "little" verses alone in both the Bible, the Koran, and all the other holy books, and it's so nice to see someone bothering to take them as serious as you do. But as you go along, whether it's tomorrow or next year, keep yourself from fanaticism or you'll find God having a damned good laugh at you - keep your eyes on yourself too my friend. I mean what the heck is "justice" worth if it isn't combined with love, forgiveness and mercy. Not a damned thing in my opinion and probably in your opinion too. I love your thinking, I love people who dare to think, and what you did last time, just as you are trying to do here, is just so beautiful. I'm not the kind of guy who will allow myself to cry about very much, but when I see beauty like the beauty you speak of, then I really am in a position where I just can't hold it back. It really is beautiful, TT. Keep on, and you'll either get it, or at least help some one else to get it.
I haven't had the time to get through the whole thread, only your first post.

Love ya Truethat.

I think quite a few of us hope to hear from you soon, TT. Hope all is well with ya

Take care of yourself, lad

very very interesting!! I say, to the part of children suffering and why God does nothing to stop it: Mankind had a choice to follow God or follow what they want to do. they chose the latter of the two. Children suffer now because of the choices that mankind have made and God could stop all the suffering in a single moment but then where is the freedom of choice that he initially gave man? Its up to man to stop the suffering; we chose the route of doing things our way and when things get tough we look to God and say 'I totally disregarded anything you asked of me and now Ive got myself in a jam. I need you to fix it so I can go on doing whatever in the heck I still want to do'. Like you said "If mankind would recognize the importance of living fully in grace and stop worrying about the way we build our lives in the here and now, we could create the planet as it was supposed to be."
I totally agree!!

I don't doubt that much human suffering is avoidable. But to me, the point of the Adam and Eve story is that there is a kind of human suffering that necessarily accompanies our peculiar kind of consciousness. The faculty that causes us to suffer in a particularly human way is the knowledge of good and evil-- that is, the faculty of judgement and choice. Human beings are self-aware creatures who weigh and choose their actions rather than acting as other animals do, which is to say un-self-consciously, out of instinct. We are more or less condemned to this state of affairs. We cannot choose not to have choice. This tiny observation-- a truism, it is so trivial-- sheds a whole lot of light on what is called "the human condition."

Great posts guys. Thanks libraII you sure now how to give a gal a swelled head.

Well ya know, it's all for the good of Ewing Oil