Field
Jul 2 2007, 10:13 AM
As I'm moving about in the world...what do I see when I look at peoples' faces? I see people that are so lost, almost no one is smiling really. Most peoples' expressions are blank or dissatisfied. Being in such close proximity to so many people like that is a real drag on me. It's just so hollow, everywhere. I won't exaggerate, a few smile, but they are few and far between. It makes me a little sad, it can't always have been like this... I know it wasn't.
Sometimes I see these type of drunk guys... A bunch of big guys with muscles, no visible sign of brains, lots of alcohol and group mentality 'cause they're with their friends... They're usually so boisterous, like dogs seeking attention. They're often found to be antagonizing some innocent person; guy or girl. I just look at them and think... look who's judging. And the realization strikes me again... Wow, what a terrible place this world is becoming...
...And it's all the people. The land is beautiful, the sky stretches on forever...everything eternal is fine...But these people have become so horrible; girls walking around dressed how only prostitutes used to, and guys publically shouting out how much cum they're going to lather on their girlfriends faces. People willfully becoming beasts.
It wasn't like this always, not even 50 years ago. This system started by the Americans and the Brits of corporate power and selling products to feed the individual desires has caused all of this...an entire social breakdown. Like a heroin addict, our societies still have a skeleton and loose skin...but all the insides are rotten or have gone missing.
I don't think I'll ever enjoy going close to crowds again, now that I've noticed things like these. I pick up such intense vibrations off of them. I feel polluted and disgusted yet so full of pity and sadness for everybody...because in some way these people are my family...even if they don't see it that way.
Sometimes people I know tell me about times they've been harassed by guys I just spoke of. Men with no scruples, driving around in cars like they're shopping for a piece of meat. It's awful, and it makes people feel awful.
For my own sake, I can't let go of hope for this world ... but really, how is this realistically ever going to get better on a massive scale? The people who can cause all the largest changes soon are making all the wrong choices...
These guys who treat life like the world revolves around them are carbon copies of so many others. I saw one instance on Canada Day, when I was waiting for a bus to go home from downtown... This foolish girl gets off a bus wearing gold colored boy shorts...like shiny metallic...their length was just under her ass...and she was obviously extremely nervous. Well all these guys and girls carrying beer got off a bus...three of the guys kept saying **** to her really loudly. She looked so sad and embarrassed for the bad kind of attention she attracted from these imbeciles; I hope she regrets dressing like that... Girls are such idiots, and guys are such pigs.
It seems like almost no one is interested in learning anymore...and the ones that are are assholes...bitter and cruel inside from being mocked in younger times...
For all of these people...There is nothing you can do about situations you're in with people like that, not in the immediate heat of the moment, except leave them, and put it out of your mind...and focus on the good...but this stuff shouldn't even exist. Nothing ever had to turn out this way.
Often times, I don't know what to do. I can barely help the ones I care about to change...but giving up and becoming self-centered is also being as bad as them. You can't become apathetic. I may feel sadness for this but it's better than feeling nothing at all and living in a fantasy of denial. Yet sometimes I sincerely wish the world would end. My heart says I want something atrocious to happen to fix this mess...because I am only one person, yet despite this evil feeling that creeps into my heart, I am not wicked or vile inside, though corruption had its claws in me for a while...
I am one person, and there is nothing I can do to strike back against all this evil. All I can do is hide, and remind myself of things that make me feel better. Well for ****'s sake, I shouldn't have to do that. I look at this world and I start to feel like, maybe a major cataclysm is what is needed...we're on a downward spiraling trajectory, not up. I wish it was up. I don't want to sound depressive or like I'm trying to inspire despair...but I just can't come to terms with this system...something's gotta give.
I once believed I couldn't feel love...but then I realized it was never me that wasn't able to feel love...it was...everyone else. So few of us have any clear idea of what it is anymore. Someone I know said, "People think gifts mean love." Even in my psychology textbook they don't have a clue... Love isn't something you direct only at a single target. It's a radiant feeling that emanates from inside of a person that knows and appreciates. It extends to all beings and all things. It isn't the passion of TV love. It's more subtle, but far more beneficial for the one feeling it and everyone that encounters them. It leaves you vulnerable to attack, because you expect reciprocation. It's good in that you can really feel.
Most people are losing sight of that completely. I'm not saying the frail amorous love for a single person doesn't exist...but so many people handle it wrong and believe they even have that when they don't. You can't experience real love for a single individual without possessing the true, subtle, all-encompassing love I just spoke of...instead, you can only hold a pale shadow that mimics it in some ways and loses sight of it in others. We have a natural inclination to want to find a mate, but the reality of it is not so intense that we can't hold our tongues in from hanging out at every attractive person we see, judging them on superficial **** alone. That isn't how it is.
We're supposed to be living and experiencing in that expansive love I first spoke of...waiting for the right person...the one sole individual that complements us like a snug fitting glove. The sex part of it is hollow and frankly disgusting, without the intimacy and sharing of thoughts between yourself and a person like this. People will tell you to look for somebody who has nice things and style...but people will tell you that only because people only care about the material...they're just as fooled into this farce of life. They've been brainwashed into thinking; never worrying about money = happy.
People have reduced themselves to dogs...fighting over treats...females chasing after guys with the most kibble...guys slobbering over physical attributes with no conception that a girl is a PERSON...and girls thinking this is how it should be! "Oh men! Those silly boys treating me like a doll!" Idiots!!! In that frail amorous way that overtakes the heart for a sole individual - I can't love a dog...and I don't want to call them dogs. They MAKE themselves into dogs...hell it's actually a real slang term now...it's attractive to be an animal, a dog, a beast...no one sees the degeneration at all levels...but some people should, and probably do; those who plan and direct courses of actions that run society.
Something is going on here, I'm telling you... It's more than just "The Way Things Go"... Someone I know mentioned, "People just accept it at that." Well I say, someone who hates you has deliberately ****** your life over. People just accept it as the way things go??
-Edited for sexual references-
Imagine their first sexual encounter in their lives - do you think they automatically took to it like that? NO!!! And boys, boys are engineered from the moment they are born to be horrible people. I feel even more concerned about the men. They are just lost altogether...and the source of the main problem...women just seem to follow along and quietly accept things. As someone I know says, "and if a woman doesn't, she's called a dyke"! Some people think of ME as "gay", because i hate keggers, don't find ***** attractive, and I express my feelings like a healthy human being! Men should be able to see for themselves how their actions bring SHAME upon them in everyone's eyes, including their own subconscious, instead of having to have their hand held in every emotional issue like they are a toddler.
We all have choices; choices which can elevate us and fulfill us as worthy of possessing the power we do - the power of the consciousness to BE A HUMAN BEING - or choices that can throw all that power away and make us reckless monsters...and most people choose to be monsters. Maybe most of them are not doing the most heinous things...sure, "shades of gray"...I don't give a ****, if you're part of the problem, then you're part of the problem. That's why thinking about all this, then resorting to apathy is *unacceptable*.
I'm at a loss here...there's no final point to drive at except...how can things change, how? How can i ever lead a healthy human existence in this world? Simple answer; I can't. Some people would argue..."Oh find a nice girl and make a life with her...forget the rest of the world." Well that's living in another fantasy of denial! I'm so sickened by the way things are I'm not sure that I could ever find someone, or even want to... I'm not truly a loner or a hermit, but HERE I AM LIVING LIKE ONE, because every time I go out I meet the worst people everywhere and they're considered "good" by relative terms! Words like "pervert" and "immoral" are losing their meaning!
People will call me judgmental...all I'm doing is looking for souls alike my own...just like they do only from a perspective of ****...but in their view, "no, no, it's not ****, it's how life should be, just because that's how I'm living it that means it's right"...and they will defend that pile of bull like its a mountain of gold. It's so, so twisted...
This world chokes the life outta me some days. Someone I know argued, "I think that may be why I've chosen just to try and live it, because I can only do so much, and then the rest I have no control over...and you'll drive yourself insane trying to think of what should be and what shouldn't." I'll tell you what I reply to that: I REFUSE to cave in and become like them, and I refuse to give up. I'll go insane in a sane way, because all of them out there are insane frankly.
Do you think I'm killing myself over this? Do I look dead to you? I'm quite alive...that's how i have the capacity to feel this much. There are moments when I stare into a waterfall or gaze off from a tall hill...and I forget about all of this in a way that isn't denial...because the sheer beauty of all creation overtakes me..and I'm filled with such an amazing glorious feeling unmatched by anything... If I gave in to this world I'd become as flat and emotionless as them...giving up my only real treasure of any value, my humanity...giving up that one feeling that makes it all worth the suffering...
But, hell, it just doesn't have to be this way!!! It doesn't. People have to choose to see it how I'm putting it here...willfully examine their lives, and cast all negativity out...from food to bad messages to bad people. Life will bring enough negativity naturally on its own just as it does the positive, when you keep things in balance by resisting the IMBALANCED NEGATIVE SYSTEM OF THINGS WE LIVE IN... Anything you allow yourself exposure to and accept, and let in will deeply affect you... frankly a lot of music is hollow too... And the music that isn't is INCREDIBLY POPULAR, BECAUSE IT'S MOST PEOPLE'S LAST LINK TO REALLY FEELING LIKE YOU WERE MEANT TO. Even so-called positive music driven towards the ends of accomplishing things and "success" is negative...even if your thoughts are positive but your outlook is still one of greed, or pride, or arrogance, it's all negated...
I actually began to cry while writing this...not sobbing just... tears slipping out. Not upset by it all...just overwhelmed with feeling pity for everyone, including myself. I'm in conflict because of that and what i just said about the world ending... I figured I might as well put these thoughts into paragraphs and put them down on the Internet...Just stick it there...people read what I put there sometimes...they might as well see this written somewhere since I've NEVER seen it written ANYWHERE.
Maybe I'll find a way to reach some people... I don't know...
it begins small.
Well thanks for paying attention to what i have to say... Sometimes it helps to say something...
and not be ignored...
By the way....I don't think of my future life in terms of career and in terms of wealth and stature...that's all extremely minor to me... personal development is my most important fundamental drive; physical/mental/spiritual... Everything else takes a back seat because without that I would not be who I've become and I won't find ways to spread this kind of message to people effectively...not if I just settle into a 9 to 5 mindset... It's like most people take until they're the age of 45 or older to realize this sort of thing... People hit the beginning of old age and go "whoa! I should eat healthy! I should learn things and really try to live!" Well your youth should be the time for that. It extends your life and makes that life quality rather than trading it for dollars and a false dream. People are set in the idea, "oh man, when I'm old I won't be able to work anymore! Need a retirement fund! Work work work!" Yeah, feed a corporate demon your soul in exchange for comfort in the grips of death later...wonderful deal. Lose your good perspective on life as it sinks from years of bad eating, lowering your serotonin levels -> lowering all enjoyment of life... Go from a vibrant youth to something that is bland and flat and old: "huh i was young once"... Newsflash you old fart, it isn't youth it's called having a functioning brain... Oh no way, adults don't need that, they might as well go out and say how they act: "Grr I worked hard all my years I deserve to be a crusty piece of aggravated ****! I have permission to be an uptight easily excitable jerk! Rrr!!!"
-Edited for sexual references-
People who feel some skewed general IMMEDIATE "NEED" for a girlfriend or boyfriend are letting themselves lose their humanity. I end up meeting girls here and there all the time that give me this impression, each and every one of them: It's not like they're saying, "Oh I'm looking for someone with such and such a character...I want to meet someone with a personality like _________." Nope thats just a big blank. Who cares about that, thats a background consideration! Now the real important question: "whats his *** look like?"....."Oh hes a big horrendous jerk? Who cares he looks good and hes got a car! Yay wheee! Drive me to misery! It's all right i forget about the pain when he subjugates me in bed @_@ ohh yah i love it! ! It's so wonderful yes life is full of ecstasy! 'I Love Life'!" HOLLOW VAIN LIARS!
Hahaha...wow...I'm never gonna be with a girl again am I...I'm heterosexual to the core...but I definitely don't NEED anyone, not from a world like this.
RabidCat
Jul 2 2007, 02:48 PM
Perhaps you are living in the wrong place.
Larger cities are invariably the breeding grounds of the people and activities of which you speak. Those same cities are the gathering places of same. So move out, go somewhere the population is less and people are people.
But be careful not to go someplace the population is too small, as those places have their own problems (usually pertaining to people who don't toe their lines).
Field
Jul 3 2007, 02:00 AM
Whether it be cities or out in the wide open spaces...these people are our relatives.
Running away is the same as apathy...it is negative, and is living in denial.
I can't do it, heh. To be who I am I must possess hope or I would simply be someone else.
What you focus on intensifies and grows; what you let slip away atrophies and disappears.
girty1600
Jul 3 2007, 02:50 AM
Perhaps we see situations as WE choose to and not how they always are. If I find an opportunity to make someone smile when they are obviously having a bad day then great, I'm happy, they're happy. If I have a good laugh with someone who's already having a good day then wonderful, I'm flying high and enjoying life and so are they. If I come across someone who's so pissed off at themselves that they attempt to bring everyone they come across down no matter what then I'm done with said person on said day. Done. If I encounter some morose individual at my place of business I'll try my best to make them happy but I won't let it ruin my day when they tell me not-so-politly to f*ck off. The folks that "just can't get over it" should just stay home and leave functional, happy people be but if they don't it's not gonna ripple my karma. I won't let it.
RabidCat
Jul 3 2007, 04:56 AM
QUOTE(girty1600 @ Jul 2 2007, 07:50 PM)

Perhaps we see situations as WE choose to and not how they always are. If I find an opportunity to make someone smile when they are obviously having a bad day then great, I'm happy, they're happy. If I have a good laugh with someone who's already having a good day then wonderful, I'm flying high and enjoying life and so are they. If I come across someone who's so pissed off at themselves that they attempt to bring everyone they come across down no matter what then I'm done with said person on said day. Done. If I encounter some morose individual at my place of business I'll try my best to make them happy but I won't let it ruin my day when they tell me not-so-politly to f*ck off. The folks that "just can't get over it" should just stay home and leave functional, happy people be but if they don't it's not gonna ripple my karma. I won't let it.
Hear, hear.
Field
Jul 3 2007, 08:21 AM
So you'd rather live in a self-centered society that ignores we all live together and share a space?
Brothers and sisters; that's a half-denial.
All of us has grown up in a society that has undergone massive changes in the past 100 years, changes that were imposed by people hung up on their own personal fame and profit - mainly psychologists, marketers and politicians. It has transformed from a collectivistic-type culture into one that opened up into individualism around the 60s/70s - during which, for a short time, people were not yet introduced to the "bought and sold" version of individualism - they were simply taught to be totally self-centered after living lives of utter subjugation. Unfortunately this was all based on psychoanalytic theory (by the way I'm studying psychology in university) and those psychoanalysts were operating on /working theories/ - that is, they hadn't even decided what it is that really should be done yet, and using people as their subjects, society changed from people following a government directive to one where people listened only to themselves. Collectivism kept the self from expressing, but it kept things civil and calm. Individualism has turned that inside-out, where the self expresses so much it doesn't know when enough is enough and it doesn't consider the repercussion of its expression on others - resulting in the mess we have now. Neither of these approaches are correct in my opinion - society needs a new idea presented to it - a happy medium between these two...where individuals willingly work together to form a cohesive society, one where we know that individualism can't be bought and sold from companies that want to capitalize on our need to express in order to make fast dollars, and effectively keep us all down.
Many people are followers. You tell them that they have to serve society and they do. You tell them they are individuals and society doesn't exist and they believe that. All you have to do is dangle a carrot in front of them and they take the bait and believe what you tell them...and that is exactly what has been done over and over. In examining cult studies and group phenomenon, it's clear that anyone can be convinced they are happy with any situation, no matter how ****ed up, as long as the correct specific approach is employed in getting them to that stage. It is a horrible mind game that shows that people really are in general programmable. This is why the women in the porn learn to smile and enjoy it, and why cultists can go through with killing themselves. There's nothing different about them at a fundamental level from most other people; they are simply going along with what they think is acceptable and normal. Well "acceptable and normal" is subjective, arbitrary - that is, completely made up - and unfortunately it keeps getting made up by the worst people who don't give a damn about the welfare of our race. Those people have to removed from power and people who REALLY care have to be put in power. People must be shown how to be deep because many will not discover it for themselves. Once the seed is planted no further manipulation is needed - people will see the light themselves. Programmable as they are, everyone is a human being and possesses enormous potential if it is unlocked properly.
We can all have an impact in our own ways. Each of us is unique on the micro level ... now we just need to attend to that god awful macro level.
We can have the best of both worlds...a society of individuals that willingly works together.
A society where marketers are the ones under restrictive laws and restrictions, and individuals are protected from manipulation.
Children grow up without being parented by the TV, and parents have wisdom imparted to them by caring rulers rather than greedy power-mongerers.
This selfish attitude has to end or this problem will never go away.
Saying "nothing affects me" is a lie. Everything affects you whether you admit it or not - just look at your outlook right now. Do you think you were born that selfish? I don't.
Even if I can't help Mr. or Mrs. So-And-So see a better way to help themselves and everyone at the same time, maybe I can help their friend to, and that friend can use their own uniqueness to provide a unique perspective to Mr. or Mrs. So-And-So. This is why each and every one of us matters in this cause... no one is useless, everyone counts as my equal. I need you.
Peace, health, and good fortune to all of you, my brothers and sisters
May the creative force shine brightly through you as you evolve
Bella-Angelique
Jul 3 2007, 09:56 AM
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hnnjsn
Jul 3 2007, 10:27 AM
i here you man. im glad to read a post about how somebody feels. i feel the same way. i dont want the world to end but i am willing to fight terror. Like kevin costner in the movie the postman. if it comes to that. I dont view women as whores i love all women regardless of their clothes and sexual activity. but in a lot of ways you are right and you are not alone i will join you.
QUOTE(Field @ Jul 3 2007, 09:21 AM)

[We can all have an impact in our own ways. Each of us is unique on the micro level ... now we just need to attend to that god awful macro level.
I do believe that we can all make a difference, in our own way, on the micro level.
I'm now pondering on the macro level....my first thought is that on that level...all is lost!!
That sounds too negative...I could be wrong...but who now can make a real difference, in terms
of leadership...that can change the world for the better...who can truely make a difference
on the macro level....anyone who gets close would probably just get 'bumped off' .
You are obviously a very sensitive person...energy-wise...and you are feeling the strain of that.
Sometimes it does feel like we're drowning in evil....but it's a funny old thing....I do believe in
'opposite and equal reaction' (or is it attraction?)...so maybe the worse things get...the more
potential there is for change???
QUOTE
May the creative force shine brightly through you as you evolve
I think this could be 'the answer' in a nut shell....this is all we can do...create and build in our day
to day lives....furthering the possitive vibe.
All is not lost...on the personel level....even though 'the world' of human beings seems to be in
fairly bad shape...I can honestly say that I myself, have never felt 'happier' or more at peace
than I do now.
thunkerdrone
Jul 3 2007, 10:40 AM
Canada Day is depressing . Go downtown after about 4 pm, all you see are drunk youths screaming their heads off trying to convince
themselves that they are ecstatically 'celebrating' something while staving off the nausea of the next swig of beer and pissing in the bushes,
sexually deprived white feminists from far and wide parading their large and prosperous negro-hedonist boyfriends, and throngs of tourists
showing off the latest fresh cotton coordinates while visiting relatives. Canada Day is not a spiritual holiday. It is one big gigantic show-off
day where people parade themselves around the city thinking they are god's gift to humanity and sneering at eachother.
Lilly
Jul 3 2007, 11:35 AM
First, none of this is new. The human social condition has gone through a series of improvements followed by various declines for thousands of years. One example of this is
the fall of the Roman Empire. Social enlightenment is a very slow process but I'd wager to bet that the average person lives better now (in most societies, there are certainly exceptions to this) than they did thousands of years ago.
As for the idea that western society has declined over the past 50 years...I'm not so sure about his idea either. You see, I'm almost 56 years old and I can actually remember *back then*. I can recall when western society was openly racist, sexist, and bigoted in various ways. The "good old days" simply weren't completely good. Oh yeah, some aspects of society were better back then (in my opinion) but others weren't. This seems to be the way things go.
As for the interpersonal aspects of all this, no one can control what other people do. The only person we have control over is ourself. There will always be those who opt to be foolish, self-centered, and even down right evil...this is the nature of life. In a free society one has the choice of how they choose to live their own life (ie, you don't have to adopt any values or standards that seem incorrect/destructive/immoral to you).
Saru
Jul 3 2007, 11:47 AM
Field, please avoid using crude sexual references and profanity in your posts; we have members of all ages and parts of your post above were very inapropriate, the worst of it has now been edited out.
Your co-operation is appreciated, thankyou.
wtwt5237
Jul 3 2007, 12:28 PM
QUOTE(Lilly @ Jul 3 2007, 07:35 PM)

As for the interpersonal aspects of all this, no one can control what other people do. The only person we have control over is ourself. There will always be those who opt to be foolish, self-centered, and even down right evil...this is the nature of life. In a free society one has the choice of how they choose to live their own life (ie, you don't have to adopt any values or standards that seem incorrect/destructive/immoral to you).
But we can influence what other people think and adopt. Of course there will always be a group of people who have blank heads and filthy mouths, but if those with conscience try hard enough, things will be going to change. Always look at things from a positive and constructive perspective......
Lt_Ripley
Jul 3 2007, 12:51 PM
QUOTE
I am one person, and there is nothing I can do to strike back against all this evil. All I can do is hide, and remind myself of things that make me feel better
this is what most people do. this is why things don't change. and things were just as bad in the 50's just better hidden.
greed , ego and immaturity have taken a toll on society. but the biggest is the lack of responsibility.
people used to be able to sleep on their porches on a hot night. neighborhoods used to be safe. neighbors watched out for one another. but the 'I don't want to get involved mentality' , fear , has taken over our senses.
values and ethics is something people talk about but rarely live up too.
so change it by living it. stand up for those being hurt instead of just watching. without risk ...............
Lotus Flower
Jul 3 2007, 03:09 PM
Field, just because you view the world in that negative way does not mean everyone does. You speak as if you fear there is no hope for anyone else at all and that you are the only one who is on "the right path".
That is not so, if you do not like something someone is saying or you do not like to hear certain words spoken that really is too bad because everyone has their own minds and there is not one person you can control and make how you wish them to be.
So what if people are out and about dressing how they wish - as long as you aren't the same what are you worrying about.
People do smile and laugh - many times and I am one of them, maybe it is time to stop feeling sorry for yourself, brush yourself down and start over, because if you carry on this way, the only ending you are likely to come across is one whereby you are completely alone, trusting nobody, bitter and twisted.
Your whole life and the positive or negative aspects within it are in your own control, but do bear in mind that goes for everyone else too and if they choose to behave in what you consider a completely immoral and evil way then there is nothing you can do about it - of course, you can always lead by example, love unconditionally and don't judge
RabidCat
Jul 3 2007, 03:28 PM
I must agree with Lt Ripley and Lilly. For many years I lived in large cities; only a few times did I really have trouble with them. I walked the streets at night without fear, in one case on the "bad side of town"; never did have problems, so long as I accepted those who lived there without prejudice, an easy thing to do. I must say I did avoid loud and boisterous clubs and eateries, but that was more due to me not liking the racket and/or the music.
In another case, I lived in the "bad side of town", simply because the property values elsewhere were ridiculous. In that instance, the canyon was occupied by a sizeable number of drug dealers and bike gang members. The rest of us, through resistance and retribution, were able to rid ourselves of this element (when a dozen bikers/dealers are surrounded by rifles pointing at them, they will quit what they're doing). The side effect of that was that the neighborhood became quiet and peaceful, and my house doubled in value in five years (selfish, yes, but it was a nice side effect).
As to the 50s, my own memories of those years are that, among other things, public acceptance of government was blinded; it was my generation that began to question politics. We are likely the cause of many of the bad things of the present, but I'd rather question than simply accept, especially in the realm of government. It is ours, you know, and we bear the responsibility to keep those people straight and narrow. I just wish I could get more people to care about that.
Field
Jul 3 2007, 08:40 PM
Thanks to all of you who showed a positive spirit, you make me feel stronger and more hopeful for the future.
Hmm, interesting replies. I agree about that spin on Canada Day that thunkerdrone wrote.
Lilly, without a firm grasp of the psychology that has been used to manipulate the masses worldwide over the last 100 years, you really can't make informed statements about "how things used to be", whether you lived in that time or not - whether you are an artist, writer, or philosopher - or a forum poster. I know this may sound absurd to you but it's simply true. The Roman Empire did experience similar problems to what we have today, I agree, but that does not mean some "precedent" has been set that we must follow. Do you see how such arguments are simply just resistance to positive change? Lilly, you don't know the nature of life, clearly, if you assume that there must be horrible things. Do you assume the Sun will go on shining forever? It won't. One distant day it will extinguish and be gone. This way of life we are set into is just all we have seen - it doesn't make it something we are doomed to be stuck in forever.
Lt Ripley, you are right, and I do that. What I was getting at was something *greater*. We have the potential to figure something out. All it will take is time and hopefully help from some really amazing people that come forward and work with me through open and progressive discussion.
Since I cannot spend time refuting every negative claim anyone makes in the face of positive change, I will leave these words for you:
When you deny the possibility of positive change that benefits everyone, you are creating that with your mind. You make it real by believing in it and you yourself become a part of that blockade. I implore you not to do this.
* It does not matter if the past had negative elements that have disappeared now. Good! Now more negative elements can disappear and this shows us that change is possible.
* If you are willingly accepting the negative side of the system then of course you won't have a problem with it. But that doesn't make you positive. Please re-read my initial reply (not the post that started the thread, but the one after) for further information why I say this.
I myself will never allow myself to be corrupted by such notions. There is too much at stake to selfishly shrug, go "It can't be done", when it's clear that no one really knows that at all. Just because you have become accustomed to the way things are does not make it acceptable either. There is no one in this world who is qualified or justified in refuting the intense might of possibility and our effective ability, uniquely and together, to evolve towards a new state of positivity.
I want everyone to be able to feel good, while being themselves, simultaneously, and NO that does not mean that people need to be left alone and never have their views on life challenged. That is absurd! We live together, we work together, and in some aspects we think together. Those who do not want to listen and do not want to change will not, no matter what I say. So turn away if you must, shrug your shoulders, and that creeping feeling in your heart that you are somehow contributing to the problem will most likely fester within you - a terrible thing - I don't want that for you, so please truly consider what I am saying here, as well as others who are trying to work towards a better world. Nothing about this is selfishly motivated or coming from a "dark place" - that is exactly what I'm trying to prevent!
I feel pity that you don't see it, and I forgive you for trying to bring me down. I hope someday the light of creation shines brighter in you and helps you to see that there is a way out.
Take care all of you
louie
Jul 3 2007, 08:48 PM
i do a lot of travelling around the world, and i dont know what your saying 99.99% of the people i meet are funny, kind, friendly. enjoy life.
sound like ure depressed and maybe living in the wrong place
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jul 3 2007, 10:09 PM
QUOTE(Field @ Jul 3 2007, 03:21 AM)

So you'd rather live in a self-centered society that ignores we all live together and share a space?
Brothers and sisters; that's a half-denial.
Yes I would.
I am not your brother.
If you don't like where you live, then move to the mountains where you can just think. Life is what is. I have a good life. Sorry you don't and don't say I am a blind sheeple.
Field
Jul 4 2007, 01:03 AM
Denial and outright evil - do you see the sorts of people we share this world with?
We need to help them.
The rich, the privileged - and those who get laid from promiscuous lifestyles + don't care about the feelings of people they encounter (remember, it's conjoined) - these are the folks central to the problem.
They see this as their moment in the sun, no way are they going to change - or so they think.
I forgive you for the negativity you have displayed to me. I will not move away to the mountains. If you will not change, everyone around you will. Then where will that leave you?
REBEL
Jul 4 2007, 01:11 AM
QUOTE(Field @ Jul 4 2007, 10:33 AM)

Denial and outright evil - do you see the sorts of people we share this world with?
We need to help them.
I think the trick is not to get to emotionally involved in your beliefs.
Mellow out go for a walk in the woods smoke a fine Cuban cigar at the same time even or whatever, life is what you make of it or you'll loose it man.
Field
Jul 4 2007, 01:22 AM
Nope. Don't interpret my willingness to go the extra mile as "going crazy". That's your interpretation and it isn't how I am.
So many people have no idea what real positivity is, and are polarized to a negativity that is so strong that they interpret lighter shades of negative as positive. That is where my pity goes out to most. Then for these people, real positivity seems "crazy" and "outlandish"! This is why society needs a booster from caring individuals.
Believe me I realize how this seems, and boy from what I've seen here...I receive a lot of negativity about it. People hate my words so much they take the time to reply and viciously try to tear me down from my position of wanting to do good. But notably, only on a forum laden with skeptics do I see this - I posted this on 30 other forums and got nothing but positivity and support back from people in all walks of life, various religions, and young and old.
Whether you'll open your eyes or not, I AM right.

Frankly if these naysayers thought I was that wrong, in reality they wouldn't have said anything. I can see that I'm right every time I get a reply that tries to tear me from my horse so to speak.

If none of you were negative you wouldn't try to beat on me verbally for what I said
REBEL
Jul 4 2007, 01:39 AM
They way i see it and the way society seems to be heading ever so faster and faster down that technological super highway, you either keep up or loose it.
Me personally i take life slow it's the only way to go at my own pace away from the rat race...Hey, i'm a poet and did'nt know it!
Sadonis
Jul 4 2007, 04:54 AM
I only read the first post and a few of the first page posts before responding...
From your interpretation of the world today, change in it seems to be bad for us. Humans are slaves to giant corporations, peer pressure and the everyday crap that we don't, possibly, intentionally make. The thing you must understand is that the times are changing. It isn't the 1930's..it's 2007. People got drunk back then and people get drunk now. Today we have TV, the Internet, violent shooting games and more. We can't change the world we can only go our own way. Changing the world would mean every person living in harmony and, unfortunately, that isn't possible. Not even in the 1400's was it possible. It has NEVER been possible for everyone to be in harmony so perhaps society worsens because of that? Maybe people get drunk because it is their way to escape the sorrows of life even if only for a blink of it. That's what we are living in...several hundred blinks(in our lifetime) of life. We live, we die, we rot(or..whatever people want to believe). But the fact is once we're dead we can only cause actions of people who are living, but only if you were something in life.
If you live in the US or in the UK, or in most parts of England for that matter...you could easily say we all need to lighten up. Try joining the Army..try living in Russia. Hell...write a damn book, you can feel the stresses of that. The fact is, life isn't as cheery as you may think in places. We all share the Earth but we don't have to share the land we own on it. Or maybe you do...so sure..be nice to the other family you may share it with. People aren't going to smile at you, not because big business or big brother has tried to desensitize them, but because they don't like you. I dislike ANYONE I don't know because I..don't know them. I'm not going to smile at them unless they smile at me for some reason.
You want smiles? Go to an old folks home and read to them. Touch someones heart. Get to know someone deeply and you can get smiles from them. It is a dog eat dog world and it has always been.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jul 4 2007, 02:57 PM
QUOTE(Field @ Jul 3 2007, 08:03 PM)

Denial and outright evil - do you see the sorts of people we share this world with?
We need to help them.
The rich, the privileged - and those who get laid from promiscuous lifestyles + don't care about the feelings of people they encounter (remember, it's conjoined) - these are the folks central to the problem.
They see this as their moment in the sun, no way are they going to change - or so they think.
I forgive you for the negativity you have displayed to me. I will not move away to the mountains. If you will not change, everyone around you will. Then where will that leave you?
Most people I know are happy with their life. Perhaps you are depressed and need some help. The only changing is you. Sorry. Thanks for calling me evil. Once again, sorry your life is so miserable and mine is good.
Sunofone
Jul 4 2007, 07:57 PM
i love you too brother but the path you tread of pure positivity or love is an unbalanced one-- negativity and hate are universal truths and must be embraced and if nothing else used as a fuel or motivation-- evil is as evil does but it can be nuetralised-- the inherent nature of good and evil is one that must be accepted which is that love like truth and light is inherently stronger when the door of two conjoining rooms is opened and one room is dark it is the nature of light to overcome the darkness and both rooms will be lit but hate even though it is inheritently weaker makes up for it by taking advantage of the nature of love to forgive and let live by lying and killing-- it takes balance to promote,spread,serve and deal justice-- so unfortunately it will be the DUTY of the truly just to cut down his darkest brothers trying to tilt the balance towards deceit and death-- be a beacon of light and eventually a boat will emerge from the darkness and dont give up on girls as i can attest to locating a mighty fine valkyrie of truth -- or better yet dare to hold a balance and sword!! but be prepared for the inevibility of living by the sword ...a small price to pay for the well being of humanity and in conclusion i invoke the words of nathan hale "my only regret will be that i have only ONE life to give in the service of my country"