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Feanor
Brazil, Acre. More “geo-glyphs” were found by scientists and are being studied right now. These glyphs are estimated to be between 800 – 2500 years old. Some scientists believe them to be made by pre Columbian civilizations.


Unfortunately I found this article only in Portuguese. I will like its source any way for those interested in try to translate it with the help of some program…

http://www.ac.gov.br/outraspalavras/outras_6/deuses.html

See some images below:

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If I manage to find more about this with English texts, images, etc. I update it here.
Those who have more info about this, please, share with us.
nonsceptic
Very interesting. So the deforestasion of the Amazonas gave us some positive things? Does anyone have any map references?
I found theese peculiar squares (lat=-8.84411499187, lon=-67.2532715983). Some others are a bit south also.
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DieChecker
That is really weird. It looks like they are on grazing land, maybe burned out of the forest. They are really symetrical. Look a little like the dirt forts built by the Romans when a legion was on the march.

http://www.castra.org.uk/Pages/Other_stuff/SITES.HTM

I'm not saying the Romans visited South America, just that maybe these were dirt forts.
Teej
QUOTE(DieChecker @ Jul 2 2007, 11:44 PM) *
That is really weird. It looks like they are on grazing land, maybe burned out of the forest. They are really symetrical. Look a little like the dirt forts built by the Romans when a legion was on the march.

http://www.castra.org.uk/Pages/Other_stuff/SITES.HTM

I'm not saying the Romans visited South America, just that maybe these were dirt forts.


My first thought was that they were some kind of remains from ancient buildings, too. Don't know much about architecture, but could it be the outlines of old stone foundations that caused the ground to sink? Or are trenches too wide for that?
DieChecker
QUOTE(Teej @ Jul 2 2007, 10:13 PM) *
My first thought was that they were some kind of remains from ancient buildings, too. Don't know much about architecture, but could it be the outlines of old stone foundations that caused the ground to sink? Or are trenches too wide for that?

Could be there were stones there at one time and whatever natives there were carried them off over time. It is pretty common for people to recycle stones in areas where large stones are hard to come by.
Feanor
QUOTE(nonsceptic @ Jul 2 2007, 07:18 PM) *
Very interesting. So the deforestasion of the Amazonas gave us some positive things? Does anyone have any map references?
I found theese peculiar squares (lat=-8.84411499187, lon=-67.2532715983). Some others are a bit south also.
Click to view attachment



I wouldn’t say that deforestation gives anything good, actually the area seen on these images didn’t had a huge rain forest, etc. The media loves to say: Oohhh Brazilians are destroying the Amazon…
I don’t like the way they put things. Its some ignorant fools that keep deforesting some areas for lumber, etc. Not the entire country as it always seems on the news. Also, all around the world people destroys, pollute and scavenge the resources of our planet…

Back on topic, scientists believe it is indeed foundation of ancient ruins cause in some areas they found “walls” and other organized stone features. Some thought these were trenches from the war that happened there between Brazil and Bolivia disputing that very region.
questionmark
QUOTE(DieChecker @ Jul 3 2007, 06:44 AM) *
I'm not saying the Romans visited South America, just that maybe these were dirt forts.


There is no reason why the remains of ancient fortifications in Brazil should look different than remains in Europe. In Europe there are Roman Castra, Germanic circle mounts and Celtic forts whose remains look just like that. (The Romans build square or rectangular and the Celts and Germanic tribes round).


questionmark
QUOTE(Feanor @ Jul 3 2007, 01:48 PM) *
Oohhh Brazilians are destroying the Amazon…


It is not a question of lumbering an area for the needs of a small number of people ... in the Brazilian rainforest disappears at the rate of 2% a year ... so in less than 50 years there will be none left, that is the problem. But mostly the Brazilians problem çause shortly after they'll wind up with something like Ethiopia and on UN food aid.

Feanor
QUOTE(questionmark @ Jul 3 2007, 09:51 AM) *
It is not a question of lumbering an area for the needs of a small number of people ... in the Brazilian rainforest disappears at the rate of 2% a year ... so in less than 50 years there will be none left, that is the problem. But mostly the Brazilians problem çause shortly after they'll wind up with something like Ethiopia and on UN food aid.



This is what some want you to think! I am Brazilian and yes, we do have problems, like a dumb president, just like some other presidents from 1st world countries who don’t sign Kyoto threat…

The media say things in a way that it twists the mind of the public and this is a dangerous thing. I think a lot of people around the world say too much but don’t do a small thing to try to solve problems. Some say: “Brazilians are deforesting Amazon!” Yes, with American caterpillar bulldozers, Japanese Komatsu bulldozer, which I am in parts responsible cause I work in this company, etc. One thing is certain, if the Amazon rain forest were disappearing at the rate you say it is, it was gone already…

I know its being destroyed, but contrary to what you may think, and many non-Brazilians may think, there is a lot of people here in Brazil, fighting to protect it, even loosing their lives, and this, the media never shows, it never show the projects to preserve, to replant trees, never…
nonsceptic
QUOTE(Feanor @ Jul 3 2007, 12:48 PM) *
I wouldn’t say that deforestation gives anything good, actually the area seen on these images didn’t had a huge rain forest, etc. The media loves to say: Oohhh Brazilians are destroying the Amazon…
I don’t like the way they put things. Its some ignorant fools that keep deforesting some areas for lumber, etc. Not the entire country as it always seems on the news. Also, all around the world people destroys, pollute and scavenge the resources of our planet…

Back on topic, scientists believe it is indeed foundation of ancient ruins cause in some areas they found “walls” and other organized stone features. Some thought these were trenches from the war that happened there between Brazil and Bolivia disputing that very region.


Well i didnt mention RAINforest, but the area on the pictures seems to be deforested in recent times or? Intersting theory about the war between Brazil vs Bolivia and trenches. But i wonder what purpose a circle inside a square would be any use for. Any suggestions?
Baal
According to Google's translation system it says this. Some words might not be right like the different between can(possible) and can(object) etc.




Sights of the interior of an airplane, the geometric forms located in the farm Colorado and the small farm of its Jacó, in the road that takes the Mouth of the Acre (AM), do not seem done for human beings. Excavated in the ground, pparently in low relief, them they form squared - some incomplete ones - and squares with internal circles. Looked at of the soil, these figures if resemble trenches. Its Jacó Sá, of 84 years, was convicto of that the ditches of more than two meters of depth that found in its property if dealt with trenches of the Acre Revolution, the armed movement against the Bolivians whom in 1903 the Acre to Brazil annexed. But according to archaeologist of the Department of Historic site and Cultural, Marcos Vinicius Neves, the forms had been made by indians who had lived behind in the region between 800 and 2.500 years. It and the paleontólogo Alceu Ranzi, by the Ufac, had taken, at the beginning of July, the coordinates of six geoglifos using a called device GPS, that allows to locate in the map the accurate position of each one of them. Found ceramics remaining portions in one of the three archaeological small farms of the farm Colorado, had been also collected for analysis. The forms measure of 113 the 200 meters of diameter, and have between 30 centimeters the 4,5 meters of depth, including themselves the external wall made by the land removed of valetas. These forms had been found in three different places and its occurrence is restricted to the Acre. The first discoveries had occurred in 1977, during the accomplishment of the National Program of Archaeological Research in the Amazonian Basin (Pro-napaba). E this was only possible because the area where they meet was deforested. The dating made for the Of the state of Rio de Janeiro Federal University of ceramics vestiges found in the Los Angeles small farm, in the farm White Cow, the city of Xapuri (AC), disclosed that in the place an aboriginal tribe between 800 and 2,5 a thousand years lived behind. For backwards of the discoveries it has many hypotheses, and one of them is that these indians have emigrated to the Acre of the bolivian region of Llanos de Mojos. “Professor Ondemar Dias, of the Federal University of Rio De Janeiro, compared this part with ceramics of the natives of Llanos de Mojos and found many similarities between them”, explains Marcos Vinicius. All the available information so far, however, are not enough to determine the function of the geoglifos. They can have been constructed to defend the inhabitants of the rival tribes. Or to all accumulate húmus used in agriculture. Or they were mythical representations with which the indians believed to communicate themselves with deuses. Whichever the utility that the geoglifos had had, impress the perfection of the forms and the amount of people who if had mobilized to deforest the forest and to excavate the land. “If today a tractor would take considerable time to make this work, is imagined at that time that at least had metal instruments”, Alceu Ranzi says. “Perhaps these workmanships have taken many years to be ready”, risk Landmarks. The inexistence of definitive answers for the enigma of the geoglifos does not excite in the researchers, however, fantastic conclusions. They oppose, for example, to speak of extraterrestrial as she made the German scientist Von Daniken in its book the reply of the Deuses. In the workmanship, Daniken affirms that the “Lines of Nazca”, important legacy of the old Peruvian cultures daily pay-incas, if dealt with signals and tracks of landing for extraterrestrial ships. Ranzi has if in charge divulging the maximum possible the geoglifos. On account of this effort, the magazine That is dedicated three pages to the subject, and the photos and information had been placed in the Internet. In the week of closing of outraspalavras, a North American researcher had set appointments its coming to the Acre attracted by the news article of That is. Marcos and Ranzi believe the possibility of the small farms if to become a tourist attraction, the example of what it happened with the Lines of Nazca. E the spreading of these findings, according to them, would be basic so that this happened. But, for the time being, both twist so that the geoglifos all call the attention scientists in the world. Therefore with much research and technology it will only be possible to know accurately for who and for what! they they had been constructed.
Feanor
Baal, thought the translation is a bit messed I think ppl will understand it.



Well, I went to google maps and started to search for glyphs. I found lots. Below the links to google maps and their locations.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=18&om=0

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=18&om=0

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=18&om=0

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=18&om=0

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=18&om=0

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=17&om=0

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=18&om=0

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=pt-...p;z=18&om=0

Sorry if any is repeated. Latter I will check for more features like this on the surrounding areas of Acre to see if this spreads or is restricted to that area.
rezna
How big would you say these things are, in feet or miles maybe?
Feanor
QUOTE(rezna @ Jul 6 2007, 06:24 PM) *
How big would you say these things are, in feet or miles maybe?



I have to check in google Earth. Later I post it here!
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