Theres always the questions: How did they do it? Did they have help ? Was it aliens? Wonders of the world such as stonge hedge and the pyramids have always been questioned and when we think about it it seems nearly impossible for humans to be able to have done this on their own way back before human tecnology... many people wold say they did it on their own that it just took a lot of time, people , hard work, and lives, others think that huge "wonders" or "momuments" [you could say]...coul not have been possible without "outside" help meaning help form other beings ..reffering to aliens but the questions that would be asked if E.T.s did help would be: Why would they help them? How did they get E.T.s to help? And why would they help "build" these "monuments" and then just leave? Question is do you beieve that aliens helped? And if you do could you maybe help answer some of these questions?
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no.....building these things needed no alien help
It is only questioned by "believers" who have some desperate need to have "aliens" there. Actually any common high school, community college, college can tell you various ways these were done with the 'simple' technology they had 'back then'.
Let's take a case where we KNOW 'aliens' were not involved: The Roman Edifices. These were incredible feets of wonder - yet they did it without "hight tech" - from the Pillars, to the Arenas and so on. All of these were done without 'advanced technology' or "aliens" - just smart humans that figured out -- "how to make it work". Humans are not stupid, even back in the Roman era or the Egyptian era. These guys were not stupid - they could figure out weights, balances, counter balances, rollers, grease and such.
Why do we have this silly idea that man simply is not capable of creative thought? This doctrine that man just cannot figure things out, has me totally lost.
Let's take a case where we KNOW 'aliens' were not involved: The Roman Edifices. These were incredible feets of wonder - yet they did it without "hight tech" - from the Pillars, to the Arenas and so on. All of these were done without 'advanced technology' or "aliens" - just smart humans that figured out -- "how to make it work". Humans are not stupid, even back in the Roman era or the Egyptian era. These guys were not stupid - they could figure out weights, balances, counter balances, rollers, grease and such.
Why do we have this silly idea that man simply is not capable of creative thought? This doctrine that man just cannot figure things out, has me totally lost.
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Jul 2 2007, 10:30 PM) 
Why do we have this silly idea that man simply is not capable of creative thought?
hehehehe....take a look at the networks TV lineup....
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Jul 3 2007, 12:30 PM)
Why do we have this silly idea that man simply is not capable of creative thought? This doctrine that man just cannot figure things out, has me totally lost.
Astounding isn't it.
Not only are people insistent we have evolved from creatures that make a slush puppie look intelligent, but do not even follow up basic history to learn before spouting these silly theories. It would be far more beneficial to check reliable sources rather than dredge these whacky theories up from the dubious depths of the internet and hope you have discovered something new.
If I may offer a link, please have a look at this Coral CastleThe structure comprises numerous megalithic stones (mostly coral), each weighing several tons. This was all built by One Man over 28 years. No spaceships helped out, just a good understanding of mathematics and leverage principals.
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"if anyone ever questioned Ed about how he moved the blocks of coral, Ed would only reply that he understood the laws of weight and leverage well."
Ed did it, why not people before him?
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jul 2 2007, 08:13 PM)
Astounding isn't it.
Not only are people insistent we have evolved from creatures that make a slush puppie look intelligent, but do not even follow up basic history to learn before spouting these silly theories. It would be far more beneficial to check reliable sources rather than dredge these whacky theories up from the dubious depths of the internet and hope you have discovered something new.
If I may offer a link, please have a look at this Coral CastleThe structure comprises numerous megalithic stones (mostly coral), each weighing several tons. This was all built by One Man over 28 years. No spaceships helped out, just a good understanding of mathematics and leverage principals.
Ed did it, why not people before him?
Not only are people insistent we have evolved from creatures that make a slush puppie look intelligent, but do not even follow up basic history to learn before spouting these silly theories. It would be far more beneficial to check reliable sources rather than dredge these whacky theories up from the dubious depths of the internet and hope you have discovered something new.
If I may offer a link, please have a look at this Coral CastleThe structure comprises numerous megalithic stones (mostly coral), each weighing several tons. This was all built by One Man over 28 years. No spaceships helped out, just a good understanding of mathematics and leverage principals.
Ed did it, why not people before him?
Thanks - excellent point - I was trying to remember this one - but it escaped me... Thanks!!
I thought that extraterrestrials might have had some hand in the building of ancient structures (i.e. pyramids of Giza). But, as Jj stated, humans are not stupid...
the ancients were just as capable and intelligent as we are today... IMO
QUOTE(Pax Unum @ Jul 3 2007, 03:30 PM)
the ancients were just as capable and intelligent as we are today... IMO
but yet, they had no where near the technology we do today.
Our Technology doesn't prove or make what they did impossible - it just makes it easier for us to do. If we didn't have the technology we would still do a lot of things - just look at history where technology wasn't there - and funny they still built monuments and buildings - they still did it without our technology. 
QUOTE(The Mule @ Jul 2 2007, 10:35 PM)
hehehehe....take a look at the networks TV lineup....
You had to mention that, didn't you?
That's an effective counter-argument to innate human intelligence!
It's a rather sad state of affairs, but network TV could indeed support the idea that humans are indeed stupid!
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Jul 3 2007, 02:33 PM)
but yet, they had no where near the technology we do today.
our 'technology' is a very recent development... in the past, having barbarians swarming over city walls and slave economies wouldn't help to advance technology... IMO
QUOTE(Pax Unum @ Jul 3 2007, 10:41 PM)
our 'technology' is a very recent development... in the past, having barbarians swarming over city walls and slave economies wouldn't help to advance technology... IMO
no, i know what you mean. im just saying, i dont think they were as 'smart' as we are now, you know. because of what we're able to do now.
just like in a few hundred years people may look at us and laugh at a toaster, and say theyre alot smarter now that they have a machine that can crisp your toast in 2 sec. despite the fact i guess we were very intelligent at our time.
LOL, people make it seem like our ancestors were dumb! They were human beings, they were just as smart as we are. Heck if we can create the stuff we can now, they probably wouldn't have a problem making a pyramid or a monument.
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Jul 4 2007, 12:01 PM)
no, i know what you mean. im just saying, i dont think they were as 'smart' as we are now, you know. because of what we're able to do now.
just like in a few hundred years people may look at us and laugh at a toaster, and say theyre alot smarter now that they have a machine that can crisp your toast in 2 sec. despite the fact i guess we were very intelligent at our time.
just like in a few hundred years people may look at us and laugh at a toaster, and say theyre alot smarter now that they have a machine that can crisp your toast in 2 sec. despite the fact i guess we were very intelligent at our time.
I see why you might think this way, but think of the construction this way its just blocks and mortar, and lots of slaves to push them around. Not real techy.
Hehe even better, seen The Hitch Hikers Guide movie - how's the knife that toasts as you cut!!!! When are we gonna get one of those!
QUOTE(XXDarkxLovexSpiritXX @ Jul 3 2007, 02:08 AM)
Theres always the questions: How did they do it? Did they have help ? Was it aliens? Wonders of the world such as stonge hedge and the pyramids have always been questioned and when we think about it it seems nearly impossible for humans to be able to have done this on their own way back before human tecnology... many people wold say they did it on their own that it just took a lot of time, people , hard work, and lives, others think that huge "wonders" or "momuments" [you could say]...coul not have been possible without "outside" help meaning help form other beings ..reffering to aliens but the questions that would be asked if E.T.s did help would be: Why would they help them? How did they get E.T.s to help? And why would they help "build" these "monuments" and then just leave? Question is do you beieve that aliens helped? And if you do could you maybe help answer some of these questions?
I often wondered how many men it would take to drag a 4000 ton submarine across 200 miles of desert. Something to think about.
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Jul 4 2007, 01:51 PM)
I often wondered how many men it would take to drag a 4000 ton submarine across 200 miles of desert. Something to think about.
20,000 men 80 years? LOL
It would be a geat deal easier as the Nile was flooded at the time, allowing you to put floats all around the sub to lighten it.
I like the mortar theory, but this description from NG makes great sense, especially as they have dug up evidence to strongly support this theory - read on
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Contrary to some popular depictions, the pyramid builders were not slaves or foreigners. Excavated skeletons show that they were Egyptians who lived in villages developed and overseen by the pharaoh's supervisors.
The builders' villages boasted bakers, butchers, brewers, granaries, houses, cemeteries, and probably even some sorts of health-care facilities—there is evidence of laborers surviving crushed or amputated limbs. Bakeries excavated near the Great Pyramids could have produced thousands of loaves of bread every week.
Some of the builders were permanent employees of the pharaoh. Others were conscripted for a limited time from local villages. Some may have been women: Although no depictions of women builders have been found, some female skeletons show wear that suggests they labored with heavy stone for long periods of time.
Graffiti indicates that at least some of these workers took pride in their work, calling their teams "Friends of Khufu," "Drunkards of Menkaure," and so on—names indicating allegiances to pharaohs.
An estimated 20,000 to 30,000 workers built the Pyramids at Giza over 80 years. Much of the work probably happened while the River Nile was flooded.
Huge limestone blocks could be floated from quarries right to the base of the Pyramids. The stones would likely then be polished by hand and pushed up ramps to their intended positions.
It took more than manual labor, though. Architects achieved an accurate pyramid shape by running ropes from the outer corners up to the planned summit, to make sure the stones were positioned correctly. And priests-astronomers helped choose the pyramids' sites and orientations, so that they would be on the appropriate axis in relation to sacred constellations.
From stone pusher to priest, every worker would likely have recognized his or her role in continuing the life-and-death cycle of the pharaohs, and thereby in perpetuating the glory of Egypt.
The builders' villages boasted bakers, butchers, brewers, granaries, houses, cemeteries, and probably even some sorts of health-care facilities—there is evidence of laborers surviving crushed or amputated limbs. Bakeries excavated near the Great Pyramids could have produced thousands of loaves of bread every week.
Some of the builders were permanent employees of the pharaoh. Others were conscripted for a limited time from local villages. Some may have been women: Although no depictions of women builders have been found, some female skeletons show wear that suggests they labored with heavy stone for long periods of time.
Graffiti indicates that at least some of these workers took pride in their work, calling their teams "Friends of Khufu," "Drunkards of Menkaure," and so on—names indicating allegiances to pharaohs.
An estimated 20,000 to 30,000 workers built the Pyramids at Giza over 80 years. Much of the work probably happened while the River Nile was flooded.
Huge limestone blocks could be floated from quarries right to the base of the Pyramids. The stones would likely then be polished by hand and pushed up ramps to their intended positions.
It took more than manual labor, though. Architects achieved an accurate pyramid shape by running ropes from the outer corners up to the planned summit, to make sure the stones were positioned correctly. And priests-astronomers helped choose the pyramids' sites and orientations, so that they would be on the appropriate axis in relation to sacred constellations.
From stone pusher to priest, every worker would likely have recognized his or her role in continuing the life-and-death cycle of the pharaohs, and thereby in perpetuating the glory of Egypt.
Coral castle. Ed had no aliens help him, just maths. He is proof it can be done.
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Jul 3 2007, 08:33 PM)
but yet, they had no where near the technology we do today.
And our buildings today are much more complex.
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Jul 4 2007, 03:01 AM)
no, i know what you mean. im just saying, i dont think they were as 'smart' as we are now, you know. because of what we're able to do now.
Of course they were. Some of the greatest thinkers of humanity were from before jesus was born. Just because they weren't as technological doesn't mean their brains and capacity for logical thinking were any less. They weren't cavemen y'know.
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