An intersting read from the dailymail about a former radical islamist
.....what do you think?
I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By HASSAN BUTT - More by this author »
Last updated at 07:38am on 2nd July 2007
When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.
*See Source for further reading*
Full Version: Former Terrorist Speaks out
I think this guy is exactly right..when it comes dealing with these radicals
QUOTE(Beastmode @ Jul 3 2007, 12:02 PM) 
An intersting read from the dailymail about a former radical islamist
.....what do you think?
I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By HASSAN BUTT - More by this author »
Last updated at 07:38am on 2nd July 2007
When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.
*cut*
.....what do you think?
I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By HASSAN BUTT - More by this author »
Last updated at 07:38am on 2nd July 2007
When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.
*cut*
i dont care what religion, sect, or country if you hurt the defenseless by means of force or terror i will do whatever i can to destroy you. May god never let this happen
QUOTE(hnnjsn @ Jul 3 2007, 08:37 AM)
i dont care what religion, sect, or country if you hurt the defenseless by means of force or terror i will do whatever i can to destroy you. May god never let this happen
i agree...regardless of who is doining it..it must be stopped
QUOTE(hnnjsn @ Jul 3 2007, 12:37 PM)
i dont care what religion, sect, or country if you hurt the defenseless by means of force or terror i will do whatever i can to destroy you. May god never let this happen
wich raises ethical questions. is it alright to answer violence by violence?
QUOTE(shadow_flame @ Jul 3 2007, 08:54 AM)
wich raises ethical questions. is it alright to answer violence by violence?
yes, esp if they are killing innocent civilians
QUOTE(shadow_flame @ Jul 3 2007, 12:54 PM)
wich raises ethical questions. is it alright to answer violence by violence?
i will give my life for those who are unable to defend themselves. i do not want to become evil. i cant live in a world of chaos, murder, rape, pillage=darwin. I will do whatever is necessary to protect those who mean no harm to anyone or anything.
QUOTE(Beastmode @ Jul 3 2007, 08:02 PM)
An intersting read from the dailymail about a former radical islamist
.....what do you think?
I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By HASSAN BUTT - More by this author »
Last updated at 07:38am on 2nd July 2007
When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.
*See Source for further reading*
.....what do you think?
I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By HASSAN BUTT - More by this author »
Last updated at 07:38am on 2nd July 2007
When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.
*See Source for further reading*
An excellent expose of the real terrorism. An exclusivist religious zeal, to destroy anyone, everyone, not like themselves. It's amazing! Man seeks god, man finds god, man writes of god, and man augments the words, the inspiration of god, to speak to and for the hate they have in their own heart, and call it holy.
Tragic, indeed. I think the hope in the midst of all this terror, is not all muslims believe in this way. Meanwhile, the one's that do must be destroyed utterly. Because that's what they wish for us, without reservation.
QUOTE(shadow_flame @ Jul 3 2007, 05:54 AM)
wich raises ethical questions. is it alright to answer violence by violence?
And that is a very very good question. I will always answer NO.
QUOTE(MissMelsWell @ Jul 3 2007, 11:01 AM)
And that is a very very good question. I will always answer NO.
So a quick question.....If you were witnessing someone murder innocent people infront of you...and you had a gun. You wouldnt shoot the person killing everyone, to save the lives of the others. If we sit back and allow evil to happen, we are just as bad as the person commiting the evil.
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Jul 3 2007, 07:00 AM)
An excellent expose of the real terrorism. An exclusivist religious zeal, to destroy anyone, everyone, not like themselves. It's amazing! Man seeks god, man finds god, man writes of god, and man augments the words, the inspiration of god, to speak to and for the hate they have in their own heart, and call it holy.
Tragic, indeed. I think the hope in the midst of all this terror, is not all muslims believe in this way. Meanwhile, the one's that do must be destroyed utterly. Because that's what they wish for us, without reservation.
Tragic, indeed. I think the hope in the midst of all this terror, is not all muslims believe in this way. Meanwhile, the one's that do must be destroyed utterly. Because that's what they wish for us, without reservation.
Ahh, but remember, Islam teaches the violence that they use. If you compare a Middle Eastern Muslim, and a Western Muslim you will see a noticeable difference. ME Muslims follow the Koran in their murder of unbelievers. Many of the ME Muslims don't believe that the Western Muslims are true Muslims. In fact, if a Western Muslim were to go to Iran, they'd be looked down upon. The Koran has in many places Allah himself telling his adherents to kill Christians and Jews. In other places it says to kill other innocent people. I have studied Islam quite a bit, however, being that I am a Christian and that I have faced many many people who have twisted and butchered the message and meaning of the Bible, I must (out of understanding) ask a Muslim person if this is true of the Koran?
QUOTE(shadow_flame @ Jul 3 2007, 01:54 PM)
wich raises ethical questions. is it alright to answer violence by violence?
The knowledge that we won't is what the terrorists are playing on .we are playing by the rules ,whilst they have torn the rule book up .We are fighting with both hands tied behind us
fullywired
QUOTE(MissMelsWell @ Jul 3 2007, 03:01 PM)
And that is a very very good question. I will always answer NO.
Tell that to afghan women under the rule of the taliban. I have seen videos of women getting there heads blown off. I would torture the ever living poop out of people like that.
QUOTE(MissMelsWell @ Jul 3 2007, 08:01 AM)
And that is a very very good question. I will always answer NO.
Some times you just don't have a choice...I am not going to allow my country to be threatened without responding and it is clear that talking gets nowhere with these folks...
Exactly...thats what this former terr. is talking about. Once you combine a Muderous group with a religious motivation...all bets are off.You have to do what you have to do to protect the innocent.
QUOTE(Beastmode @ Jul 3 2007, 07:02 AM)
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
How does one get this message to those who repeat this rhetoric "Bush's War" and the like? Or do they even want to understand this?
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Jul 3 2007, 02:28 PM)
How does one get this message to those who repeat this rhetoric "Bush's War" and the like? Or do they even want to understand this?
Unfortunatly i think it may be a lost cause...some people always need something to blame their opposition for
QUOTE(Beastmode @ Jul 3 2007, 01:02 PM)
[I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By HASSAN BUTT
When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
By HASSAN BUTT
When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
If they laughed in celebration at this.....imagine their hysterical joy when some non muslims actually
started to believe all the rubbish about 9/11 being an inside job!!
QUOTE(bee @ Jul 3 2007, 03:03 PM)
If they laughed in celebration at this.....imagine their hysterical joy when some non muslims actually
started to believe all the rubbish about 9/11 being an inside job!!
started to believe all the rubbish about 9/11 being an inside job!!
Yep.....im sure they got a kick out of it.
QUOTE(hnnjsn @ Jul 3 2007, 08:59 AM)
i will give my life for those who are unable to defend themselves. i do not want to become evil. i cant live in a world of chaos, murder, rape, pillage=darwin. I will do whatever is necessary to protect those who mean no harm to anyone or anything.
Even if that means sinking to their level, would you do it?
This is not as easy as answering "should we use violence or not".
QUOTE(chaostrom @ Jul 3 2007, 06:38 PM)
Even if that means sinking to their level, would you do it?
This is not as easy as answering "should we use violence or not".
This is not as easy as answering "should we use violence or not".
Yes it is....to save innocent lives,,,its very easy
QUOTE(chaostrom @ Jul 3 2007, 10:38 PM)
Even if that means sinking to their level, would you do it?
This is not as easy as answering "should we use violence or not".
This is not as easy as answering "should we use violence or not".
evil begets evil! you should know this chaos. Its not aquestion of innocence. Im sure we have all done some things that we are not proud of. Its a question of morals to me personally. I would stop those who you use violence and terror against the defenseless. which means yes to me i would use whatever means necessary. "bow down before the one you serve you're going to get what you deserve" NIN pretty hate machine I think
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