Babs, I thought I had this down pat but still struggling to get the quotes to come up for response....please be patient with me!

Okay, why haven't they landed on White House Lawn? 1957 fly over Washington DC. In newspapers.

I answer this and all the skeptical type questions once and for all with:

RESEARCH for heaven's sake DO YOUR RESEARCH and then let's discuss what you are discovering!

How to start finding your own proof..begins with reading:

1. Timothy Good has an oustanding compilation of history of landings
2. Zachary Sitchin: history of human origins (has 8 books out)
3. Raymond Fowler, The Watchers .. an excellent book with some substantial proof of experiences with off-worlders.
4. Psychic Warrior, David Morehouse (has much to say on the use of gifted psychics.
5. Holographic Universe, Michael Talbot
6. Day after Roswell, Col. Philip Corso
7. The God Hypothesis, Joe Lewels (MOST EXCELLENT in understanding what I have been trying to share with everyone)
8. Alien Agenda, Jim Marrs (Jim has another book out, can't remember title right now, but he is a good source of information.

I have a library filled with books, some that are wrapped in fantasy, some with scientific approach, some with philosophical approach, some with reference to the Illuminati and other organizations of power. David Icke has a lot of information, although he tends to be quite passionate about his findings and can turn off some of the skeptics who might read his work. But he does have some information in between that is worth the read. There are lot of conspiracy advocates out there too. Some delusional folks. But for the most part it is very easy to discern the agendas of each and every one. But you can only see this if you yourself do the research. After you have read just ONE book, then come back here and let's talk.
Until then, I can only briefly share information that is so vast and profound that it is indeed difficult to PROVE...but I don't think proof is the problem with particularly those whose posts I am responded to here. If a 7' tall Mantis came and bonked
you over the year, you still wouldn't realize the reality of it! I have better things to do with my time!

RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH do your RESEARCH....I would like to think that anyone who has the ability to read and type on this forum has some intelligence to research the vast information that is available to gather up the proof for themselves. I can't force you to read and nothing in the world will change your mind, except you!

-lori c

Remote Viewer, "keep your experiences to yourself."

DAaaah BIG TIME...isn't that what this site is for???? -lori
And, oh, yes, talking about creating falsities and lies.....how many people here are willing to use their real name? I don't think your parents' last name was "Viewer" and they named you "Remote!"

What is one of the many ways to spot false declarations? If someone is so afraid of their truth they hide behind a phoney name....


-lori c

I guess I don't find ANYTHING bizarre because I am open to all the possibilities.
I say again and again, believe everything and believe nothing. BE OPEN to the possibilities without conviction of belief or doubt, just be open to everything around you without having to feel like you have to make a statement for or against. If one is open to the possibilities one is open to growing and learning. We can never know for a fact what is real and what is not real, because then we get into a philosophical discussion with everyone holding on to their views....I am always open. I can't say if David Icke is stating fact or fiction. That isn't for me to determine. I observe that he is very passionate and sometimes passion can give the impression of fiction over fact, BUT THEN, I can't say...he has researched areas I have not, he has experienced things I have not. If I make a statement that he is wrong, hey, he might be right.....and I have lost some interesting and adventurous possibilities! It doens't matter who is right and who is wrong because I don't believe that is the issue...what I am trying to present is that

PEOPLE BE OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITIES WITHOUT JUDGMENT.

Why are folks so intent on deciding one way or another, enjoy the adventure for what it is, not what we thing it should be.

We could discuss what TRUTH IS for infinitum. AGAIN, that's not the point. Proof isn't the point. Being open to the possibilities is the point and I am bringing my experiences to the forum not to prove, to get believers or to be attacked and ridiculed. AS I HAVE STATED ABOVE, be open to ALL possibilities!

Why should I know if David Icke is 'telling the truth or not?" That isn't up to me. I listen to what he has to say. I may have had some of the experiences he talks about, and then I may not. I am not about to take a position of deciding what someone else is saying as truth or false. That isn't what knowledge and truth are...

If one let's go of judgment, one finds just about everything of interest and fascinating. There is so much to learn if one puts behind judgment. And you and the others will continue to ask these same qeustions over and over and over and I will say again and again, let go of judging, be open to everything with interest and enjoy the possibilities! No one is asking anyone to believe anything.

If I were to say the world is flat. That's what I would say. If you think the world is round then you would say the world is round. I won't judge you for that. I will find it an interesting concept. If I wanted to know more, so I could understand more of the concept of this world being round, I would research for myself. And I probably would end up having to walk AROUND THE WORLD several times realizing I haven't fallen off so it must therefore be round. I have lost nothing in my experience, but I have gained something, I have been open to the fact that it just might be round...and in the end, what does it matter anyway, if it is flat it is flat if it is round it is round, I can't change it, but I can enjoy the adventure of finding out for myself.

What experiences am I talking about? The experiences of living with an open mind. The exploration of the possibilities of the existence of many life forms, of many dimensions, I am talking about coming out of the cave and building a wheel!!!

There are many species of beings in this wide expanse of eternal existence, enjoy the possibilities of their existence and be ready to adapt to the change that becoming aware of them will bring.

Yes there are many assorted beings in this universe and I have no doubt we have interactions with them...the proof has been around for a long long time. I can't quote every document, ever cave drawing, every comment by every experiencer of these events, I can't quote the astronauts and presidents who have seen 'alien' craft, this is your responsibility...to RESEARCH and DISCOVER...that's what life on this little blue marble of a planet is all about....experiencing the possibilities on every level of existence. I can't lead anyone by the hand and say this is it, or this is not it...that's not MY ADVENTURE, it is yours, totally yours....explore the possibilities. Will you have the same experiences I have had? I don't know, mayabe yes, maybe know, but you will undoubtedly HAVE YOUR OWN! Sharing them opens up the possibilities that we might share the same, it opens up the possibilities that I won't be afraid of something new and different to explore. If I know that you have say, seen something unusual, then when perhaps I see it, it won't be so overpowering and frightening for me. I will have learned from your experience and my fear lessened. THIS IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO.

I have no doubt there are other species in the universe and visiting this planet. The origins of the human species indicates that there is a great possibilitiy that the human species is a hybrid of indigenous animal species with a higher evolve off-earth species. What is wrong with that? If this is true then it answers a lot of questions, if it is not, then so what? But I am open to the wonder of interacting on all levels of BEING. This adventure, this wonder should be our quest. If we spend so much time debating fact or fiction we just might miss something interesting and filled with wonder!

Be open to the answers you are searching for and they will find you...only you can research and discover....that's what this life is all about....exploring the possibilities and the wonder of it all is that it doesn't stop...it never stops, even when the body or container ceases to function.



Hope this helps. I know you want specific answers to your specific questions, but as I have said, this isn't a debate, nor do I expect my experiences to provide you with specific answers. You have to do that for yourself.

I offer my experiences that possibly someone will relate to them and feel they are not alone. They can let go of the fear of what they have experienced and instead embrace it and move on in their adventure.

Oh, the last question, I didn't say I had 'other world parents' I was born to earth parents, but that is the body. The soul self experiences many lifetimes, many experiences and I feel at one with the soul experiences. It is difficult to explain. I am perhaps trying to hard to explain things that you have not yet realized. I am not saying I am better because of that...no way. I respect everyone's understanding. The answers really come from looking outside the box, that is thinking on a 'soul' level. But if a person is stuck in the human response only then it will be hard to explore further. I am not talking about religion, but spirituality. Do you believe in angels? That's good for starters? Do you have a system of values? Do you believe humans are a little bit above the animals? Why? Where does compassion come from? Why do you think humans are so lured by exploring space? Why is there so much research on who we are as humans, where did we come from? The missing link? These questions are what has lead us to realized that we are more than we seem.

Just an example, a sort of asside....when the first electrical lights came on, the majority of people thought it was the work of the devil! Look at medical advances...the advances in physics, medicine, technology...aren't humans different then animals? Seen an ape in surgery lately You see what I am trying to say? I have always been on a quest for that 'missing link" and it has taken me to the possibilities of the soul, of that energy. When the Europeans first landed in Africa and saw dark-skinned people they couldn't relate to them as humans, they had to be something else...but what? No one believed them back in Europe....but now, all races of humans are found to be equal in that we are just that HUMANS. The next step? Other species with soul from other worlds, other dimensions. What is wrong with that.

Well, I have babbled long enough. I have got other things to do right now, so will leave it at that.

Hope you can get a glimpse of what I am sharing....little steps one at a time and eventually they will be bigger and bigger steps and you will then understand better what I am saying. Hope I have been of some help in understanding....




lori c

What of logic Lori? Are we then therefore to be open to the illogical
possibilities as well?

If there is no logic, no truth in the possiblitly doesn't it become then an
excercise in futility?

Yes, off-world drivers. I don't really like the word 'alien'.

Paranormal? Depends on how that is defined. Paranormal is out of the norm?
But then, again, WHOSE norm?

3-D or other dimension? I would have to say both. Especially since there is accumlating proof that there is a 10th planet in our solar system and if this is indeed Nibiru, then the Annunaki reside in our solar system, in our dimension so reason states that yes to our 3D as the Sumerian culture shows proof that they colonized earth and genetically engineered the local primate with their own DNA to initiate a being that would be adaptable to the earth's atmosphere more readily and also to be able to serve them.

Other dimensions? YES, if you read how sometimes a UFO will phase in and phase out? You have heard of ghosts? Angels? All inter-dimensional travelers. Can we as 3D bodies travel inter-dimensionally? I don't know. I have read in Raymond Fowler's "The Watchers" that the experiencer was put into a canister and covered with a rather gray looking 'goo' during several experiences. She finally asked why and they told her that it assists the human body in both acceleration and decceleration. Don't know if that would include inter-dimensional travel. Don't know if our body's could withstand that change. Now, our astral travel, or soul travel selves could probably travel. But some metaphysicians say that this is not possible because of the "silver cord" theory, you know, that our soul is connected to the body by a silver cord and if it is severed, death of the body takes place. So that still is an 'up in the air' question I think. I have recall of being in a pink kind of goo. I called it simply a pink body suit, at the time of my retrieval from the crashed UFO. I am not sure why, it may relate to the Fowler referral. Again, I have heard this another place, but it slips my mind right now as to which reference/book it was in. My memory "feels" like it covered everything but my face, and I question why would my face be uncovered, wouldn't it be just as subject to the forces of coming and going? I felt like it eventually is absorbed by the body when the use for it has ended.

I have traveled astrally to many worlds, usually in my dream state and have been called a "dream shaman" because of my ability to access other worlds and other individuals on the earth plane. I have proof of those by simply contacting the people I 'dream' about and verifying that what I have 'seen' or 'visioned' concerns them. I haven't been doing much detailed work as this lately because I have been concerned with my own mundane issues (health and working for $$) and that tends to require more deep sleep and therefore I don't lapse into a meditative/trance state as often as I like. Sometimes I will receive a name and simply be told that that person is in need and to meditate healing energy towards them. My 'batting average' for those that have been proven by contact? I would say 95-99% simply because I didn't require proof of these connections, nor was I given proof at every request, but I have a pretty average.

My dream state is a virtual reality of happenings! Again, my research has lead me to believe that I am one among many able to do this. I don't consider myself a psychic and close trusted shaman friends state that a dream shaman is rare. I think this is so because of the ability to access only during the dream state. I have a strong suspicion that I was involved in a project in the Bay Area in the early 1970s where this ability was attempted to be harnessed/controlled with drug induced trance-like states. I have flashbacks and memories that this was susccessfuyl on a few occasions, but dangerous for the most part because for most who deal in this kind of work are psychic and not 'dream' shaman. That is they can induce and control their trance state. At this point, I cannot. I am only a kind of servant of my Guides and they provide the 'work' to be done during my dream state.

I am tangenting here, so will close. Hope this helps understand some of what I am trying to share...

-lori c

You know what Joc?I have to stick up for Lori here because if i shared some of the "experiences" i've had(or at least think i have had),you'd be asking me the same question.

So would I!!! (Like an answer as to when the changes will REALLY BEGIN.

-lori

I have not read or heard of this, that is some being born without a 'silver cord'. I have not studied metaphysics and while I have heard of the 'silver cord' theory, I find it difficult to fit into the reality of astral travel, etc. Someone also recently posed the question (here or somewhere else??) what about walk-ins in relationship to this silver cord thing.

Sorry, I am not aware of much on this topic.

-lori

Contrary to what a lot of movies etc. portray "aliens" to be, it seems that the portrayal revolves around the human perspective and the human fear, violence, etc. is simply taken to another level and involves 'aliens' torturing humans, taking over the world and so on....

Myown personal experience and the theme that seems more prevalent among the 'contactees' who pretty much keep to themselves or in a safe enviornment (where they are not ridiculed), that encounters for the most part are very positive. The fear factor comes in when there is a sudden appearance, or in some cases the contactee has a history of abuse. I have to share that as my investigation and assimilation of ALL my experiences has taken place I have found myself evolving more in a spiritual sense, as a spiritual being and realizing that there are many contactees who find their "philosophies" have changed. Those who have near death experiences also eventually come to a spiritual transformation. IMPORTANT to remember that I am not, NOT, talking about RELIGION. Religion has nothing to do with spirituality in most cases!!!

Now, that I have shared that and hope made that clear, I will move on to Guides, Angels and how in the past, present and future humans will come to recognize these 'spiritual beings' in the same category as, well, ET. They exist in a realm or dimension that comes under the label in our 3D enviornment as "the unseen."

And yes, there are at least two 'angel guides' to every human whether they know it or not, whether they want to know it or not, or whether or not they accept this concept. There are also 'angels' for special situations that if we call upon them for help, it will come...often not in perhaps the way we expect it, but it is there.

I have a close relationship with at least three entities. And they speak to us in soft whispers that appear as insight, intuition, etc. often you hear the expression, "that still small voice." Listen to it. These are angel whispers.

My situation is somewhat different in that I have always had an awareness of my Guides. Most children I think do, then they become conditioned to ridicule and keep quiet. Their understanding and the bond with their spiritual connections gradually wanes as they get caught up in a world that ridicules what they cannot or will not try and understand.

In my work as a dream shaman my guides are an integral part. A psychic, or gifted person like John Edward of Sylvia Brown are often 'born' into generations of gifted people. They are able to turn the gift on and off to a great degree. They access the information given them to present to others while in an awakened state. I do my work in my sleep state. The Guides (Angels if you want to call them that) present me with a scenerio...the method is not always the same. Sometimes in a dream state I will simply hear a name very clearly. Sometimes it will be a name of someone I know or have known or someone totally unknown to me and I will be asked to 'pray' or send them light beams of energy through my mind and when I awake and go about my business of day-to-day living I remember them all day long, sending them unconditional love, energy and just keep them in my heart all day long.

Other times I will be given a kind of 'movie' scenerio where I view an event or participate viewing the situation from the eyes of the person I am to help. I will then concentrate the next day on that person and try to help them open up their intuit. Concentrating especially on the problem I was seeing them being involved in.

Another time I might have all of the above! A movie scenerio, visioning the situation from the person's point of view, feelings, etc. and then be given a specific name and sometimes a specific means of contacting them during the day, telepathically or through the e-mail.

One night in a dream state I was walking on a country road with one of the ladies I worked with. We passed a pay telephone. It was ringing. I told her it was for her, she should answer it. She didn't hear it or see it. So I answered it. It was her husband (who had recently died) and he wanted me to tell her where he was and that he was happy and everything was okay. I was to verify this by telling her of a certain moment in their lives when they were firt married. I won't go into their personal details here, but suffice it to say, when I told her the next day at work she wept and said, yes, she remembered that time very well. Another time I saw a coworker dying from electrocution. So, the next day I asked him if he had plans to work on anything electric to call a speciality person, because it might just kill him. And indeed he had plans to work that weekend on some faulty electrical outlet at their house. He heeded what I had said. And told me, "Hey, if you ever have any dreams about me again, let me know!"

So that should give you some examples of how Guides work and how it involves me and hopefully others here will remember the wonder that lies about them and that we make the choices to accept or reject the assistane made available.

-lori c

Do the events that come to you in dreams that "can't be changed" have to do with you or others?

Explain in a little more detail an example, make one up if you want, but using the same kind of stuff that happens.

It may be that you are being prepared for the event and how to deal with it rather than being able to change it. It must seem frustrating to know you cannot, but again, if this is a given, the message is still there for you. It may be that you can assist them in preparing for the outcome.

I remember reading where a gifted person (I don't like psychic) received a message that his friend was going to be killed and he knew there was nothing he could do to prevent it, but he encouraged him to take out life insurance so his wife and family would be taken care of.

I don't think the future is fixed, but is a case by case thing. If you know that your dream/vision establishes it then go with it. I doesn't hurt for you to ask your guides if the event can be changed, or how you can help.

-lori

I never thought about that.

Opinion of God. Wow, that could probably take a book! However, I can only begin and since I really do prefer little bits at a time, brevity (I know, I know, my posts tend to get long.....sorry).

I understand God as another word for ENERGY. All religions speak basically of "THE LIGHT" and my understanding is that this Light = Energy. "Souls" are individualized balls of light/energy. All of existence is made up of energy, right?
Basically then the SUM TOTAL of this energy is labeled "God."

Love: Your last sentence has a typo and I don't know what you mean.

When one begins to understand that EVERYTHING is of this ENERGY FORCE it is hard not to see that unconditional love, that is NON-JUDGMENT of anything, binds us all together and the more in balance or bound together everyone is there is unity and this unity is harmony and essentially this is what everyone wants, right?
Comes back basically to the Golden Rule, found in most religions by the way.
Think how you would feel about someone gossiping about you when you begin to gossip about them. Their hurt becomes your hurt.

Growing into unconditional love is a life-long process and every day, no, every moment is a challenge to remember not to judge. This takes a lot of work and goal towards detachment. That's why I say 'believe everything and believe nothing." It is kinda the same thing. Take everything just as it is, without judgment. Start small, like catching yourself judging what someone is wearing, or what they look like...prejudices.

-lori

I think I would first suggest that you keep a log of your dreams, date them, log down everything you can remember and eventually you may see a pattern and then it will be easier for you to see what your guides are trying to tell you.

As I said in a recent post...we all have guides, it just depends upon how much a person wants to acknowledge their existence and listen. It takes practice and time to get into the habit of allowing ourselves to sit still long enough to listen.

Keeping the journal is a good start. Taking about 15 mintues to sit with your eyes closed in a comfortable chair/bed/couch and focus on seeing just light, or sometimes it is easier to clear the mind by just focusing on dark. Then think of a safe place and try to envision it. I have chosen a yellow circle in a meadow. I have 'logs' surrounding this circle and the yellow is made up of buttercups. I always envision this when I start meditating and within this circle I begin to ask the question I might have. Start with just sitting for even 10 minutes and clearing your mind. It might take several sessions to learn how to clear your mind of all the jumble that we have in there from the days events. So don't try to learn how to clear in just a few meditation attempts. Allow your mind to wonder and just kinda practice shooshing intruding thoughts until you learn to focus the goal of having your mind cleared.

-lori