Hey guys,
This is a very simple and possibly the stupidist question ever, but i need it to be answered, so here i go. How do we know what the exact time is? I mean, every clock, analog and digital, have not been on since the start of when time began. I mean, bateries have wasted, which stops the clock/watch, and powerouts included.

Do we keep getting the real time from the stars? becuase every clock that has stopped have been corrected with another clock or watch that also might have stopped sometime in the past, which took off a few seconds or minutes.

Have we been losing time ever since, or is their a time source that never stops, and always will tell the real time? Or do we use sun dials to get the exact time?, Im in need of some real help.

Thx

hmm this may be kind of pointless for i read your topic just now and its 5:37 am. (cant sleep lol. ) sumone else will read this thread at my time but instead tommorow and yo uknow?? everyone will read diff time so its kinda pointless to just put what time it is. but hey if it helps ..

time is just a measurment we use, time is just the earth doing one full orbit of the sun, so i dont think you have anything to worry about.

i think we have more advanced technology then sun dials though now.

i think i got all that right, if someone notices im wrong correct me please.

5:45 AM PST

it's approximately big bang and a half

You're either asking about what time it is absolutely or you're asking how we know noon today is the same as noon was 100 years ago. If its the former, we have our ways of figuring out the age of the universe, within a few thousand years (its not quite up to the minute). If you're asking the latter, people did/do indeed use the stars quite a bit (that's called sidereal time). Local noon (which may differ from the noon registered on your wristwatch, depending on where in your time zone you happen to be) is when the sun reaches its highest point overhead. So I guess that's a pretty easy check to make sure we haven't lost hours on our clocks.

What time is it? An awsome question!

I think to answer this, first you have to clarify another question, "What is time?". So here we go.

Time is the 4th dimension of known existence. It exists containing five other dimensions within it;

zero dimension (the concept nothingness),
1st dimension (thought, the idea of existing),
2nd dimension (an existence of two distinct points connected into one physical location),
3rd dimension (height, width, and depth),
11th dimension (the duality state of everything and nothing),

while contained in the 5th dimension (A finite path determined from selected infinite probablities).

Time exists as duration amongst all of these dimensions. It is a portal that connects infinite possibilites with finite instances.

So by understanding that, you can realize that true time is only measureable depending on where in the 6th dimension you are asking this question from. And the only way to determin that is to subtract all of the probablities that you are not asking this question from. Unfortunately due to the zero and 11th dimensions time also exists as no time at all.

So in short the true time is, "one and zero" the "temporal" time is truely undefineable.

What time is it? It's NOW. When you read this....it's NOW. Read it again tomorrow, it'll still be NOW.

What time is it?

IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME, IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!
WHERE HE AT? WHERE HE AT? WHERE HE AT?
THERE HE GO! THERE HE GO! THERE HE GO!
PEANUT BUTTER JELL-AY, PEANUT BUTTER JELL-AY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areyUfCNFxY



Sorry, had to do that.

At least you didn't say "It's Howdy Doody Time!" lol

http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/time.html

Has a good history of time keeping. I think when they came up with very accurate time measurement, the used astronomical reference to set the standard to. Now, the most accurate time piece only loses one second over a long period.

Like a projection screen with momentary flashes of thought all across the universe or say the earth bouncing off each other in a faster projection than any second because of the oh so many thoughts. Then it is all processed or translated into that thousandth frame per second flashing before our eyes so fast that we are really unaware of the pauses in reality thousand second moments which in terms become the moments on top of moments that make up time.



Just tool used to track and identify the moments the space between two points of a thought and a memory, or an event or disaster. Or just say the space between two thoughts or the space between two realities.


A big clock that is ran by the universal consciousness only to the basis of where our internal clock starts from but never ends with. Our internal clock starts from the time that we were placed in the universal age or time only to end with us as we have a ticker that can last for a short time or very long. Either putting many events throughout those years or limited space till the day you stop ticking.



A single conscious tape running through the minds of everyone and everything throughout the universe only for some of it to be picked up the level of awareness that each species has or holds down to either an advanced consciousness or a feeble consciousness ran only by toys and not mind(Not to put us down in any way).

Can you pick one because they are all just played with theories to me that could one day be some kind of reality for some or research to others.

The space between two thoughts
The space between two minds
The time between every thought
The time one everyone’s mind
Elongates the reality in which we can never escape

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

Just thinking off the top of my head I think that time is:

Like a projection screen with momentary flashes of thought all across the universe or say the earth bouncing off each other in a faster projection than any second because of the oh so many thoughts. Then it is all processed or translated into that thousandth frame per second flashing before our eyes so fast that we are really unaware of the pauses in reality thousand second moments which in terms become the moments on top of moments that make up time.



Just tool used to track and identify the moments the space between two points of a thought and a memory, or an event or disaster. Or just say the space between two thoughts or the space between two realities.


A big clock that is ran by the universal consciousness only to the basis of where our internal clock starts from but never ends with. Our internal clock starts from the time that we were placed in the universal age or time only to end with us as we have a ticker that can last for a short time or very long. Either putting many events throughout those years or limited space till the day you stop ticking.



A single conscious tape running through the minds of everyone and everything throughout the universe only for some of it to be picked up the level of awareness that each species has or holds down to either an advanced consciousness or a feeble consciousness ran only by toys and not mind(Not to put us down in any way).

Can you pick one because they are all just played with theories to me that could one day be some kind of reality for some or research to others.

The space between two thoughts
The space between two minds
The time between every though
The time one everyone’s mind
Elongates the reality in which we can never escape

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.

Its NOW..............no, its NOW................er, NOW.................................NOW?

Time is a made up dimension so we can calculate places and events. You can however go back and forward in "time" and you live in all of them at the same time, future can effect past and present and present can effect past according to quantum mechanics. Time however its self is not really there


Couple good videos about this like "What the Bleep: Down the Rabbit Hole" yeah it sounds retarded but has some of the top physicists. Also a couple episodes on National Geographic and Discovery Channel forgot the names though probably can be looked up on their sites.

Alexanros:

Thou art fretting about an illusion. Let not your heart be troubled.
There are no stupid questions (there may be stupid answers, but there are no stupid questions! ).

You ask a profound question: "How do we know what the exact time is?"

One must necesarily ask, the "exact time" in relation to what?

In order to understand the answer, it is necessary to realize that the system which measures "time" is a man made device designed to measure the passage of a day, initially based upon the measurement of a revolution of the Earth about its axis (sunrise to sunrise).

Thus, when you think about it, we only know what time it is exactly by reference to the most accurate standard that we have developed to subdivide a day into small parts: that being the atomic clocks maintained by NIST, which calculate measurements by the rhythmic resonance of cesium.

Essentially, it is irrelevant and mind-boggling to contemplate the concept of "exact time" relative to the beginning of everything, since we have no idea precisely when everything began.


We cannot lose time, nor can we gain time. Time is a non-entity in actuality. There is only the now in reality. We merely measure intevals by man-made means.

You know, man didn't even start creating measurements of time intervals until about 4000 years ago when structures like Stonehenge were created to mark the occurrance of celestial events. Between 3500 and 1500 years ago, devices were created, like sundials, to split a sunlit day into parts. Mechanical clocks came into existence about 700 years ago, replacing the sundial with more accurate measurement systems, and their accuracy improved greatly about 350 years ago (splitting observations into finer and finer intervals).

Atomic clocks, based on natural resonances of absortion and emmission of electromagnetic radiation began to show up in the 1930s, although today's cesium standard was about 10-15 years off from that, and official atomic clocks didn't appear until the 1960s.

But all of these things are man-made devices designed to provide a standard by which we may track the passage of events. Science considers cesium resonance an incredibly accurate standard by which to measure such intervals, and it is...but it has only been the workable standard for perhaps 45 years or so.

When you speak of losing or gaining time, you are speaking of an impossibility. You may accurately be referring to a watch or standard clock, which may and probably does gain (in the case of digitals) or lose (in the case of manual or automatic chronometers) some "time" relative to the standard constant (NIST atomic time), but that is simply a variance between timepieces, and is not really relevant to anything.


There is no absolute concerning a beginning of time. We have absolutely no idea of when that might have been, save on an epochal scale. We can measure things and date them beyond the point where humans were able to measure intervals, by carbon decay rates (carbon dating), but that simply affixes something at a particular area of an illusion...a place in a past which does not any longer exist. It did, once, but no more.


I can say that since the advent of atomic clocks, there has been no stoppage of the measurement of time. It's been ticking off with amazing accuracy ever since the 1960s. But agin, this is just a very precise and regular interval which we base our concept of measurement on.


I think the bottom line to your query is this:

There is no such thing as time as a tangible. It is merely a measurement system, and a very useful one, which man invented. As it is intangible, there is no way to lose it, or gain it. We now have an extremely accurate standard, established in the 1960s. No mechanical, or quartz clock or watch (although quartz can be pretty accurate relative to the standard established...believe it or not, your $50.00 timex quartz is more accurrate than the finest Omega or Rolex) can actually maintain the accuracy of cesium resonance.

We periodically reset them to match the standard. But since time is a man made standard...which is actually something that has existed for centuries, it is impossible and somewhat futile to contemplate the exact time that something happened before its invention.

It is also irrelevant to just about everything.

What's the answer to "How do we know what the exact time is?"

We don't. And we never will...unless we look at the atomic clock...but that's only telling us the exact time as we've defined it in the modern age (2216:17 at this very moment, EDT) Since time is man-made, we can only determine the exact time as we define it!

A brain twister isn't it?


And, consider this: I just told you what time it was EDT (22:16, 7-5-07). However, it's 19:16 in California (PDT) right now (three hours ago...how can that be!?), and in south central Australia, it's 11:46 tomorrow (7-6)! Go figure!

In fact, if you take 21 other strategically located places spread all over this planet, you'll find, oddly enough, that each one has a different time, and half of them are in a different day!


And this, ALL AT THE SAME MOMENT!


So, what is time anyway? Does it really exists as a tangible entity? Can you actually determine loss and gain of it?
Only by comparisons to standards set by men. Thus, it is, as a matter of concern for the average man, non-existent. The interval measuring system is important for science, to-be-sure, but when you figure that it is 22:23 on the East Coast of the United States, and in Tokyo, Japan, it's a little after 11:23 am tomorrow (how can that be, when tomorrow is tomorrow, it's not today...yet it's tomorrow today in Japan!?!?!?!)...and in Japan, it's last night today in America!


You see...it's a man made concept which is an aid, to be sure, but it doesn't really exist as a tangible.
The only thing that exists in NOW. Whether you're sleeping in Great Britain, getting ready to go to sleep on the East Coast of the US, or in your workplace motoring along in Southern Australia...it's all the same moment,. and that is the NOW...despite the fact that each of these places has their own time, and two of them have their own dates (in GB, it's early in the morning on July 6, and it's late in the morning of July 6 in Australia...but it's still late at night on the 5th here on the Atlantic side of the US)!


It'll keep you awake at night fretting about this no-thing, eh?!

If you want to know the time you can either check the atomic clock (in geneva I think) which uses modern technology, or a sundial, candle or waterclock. All have been useful in their day.
The interesting philosophical question is not how time drives us on a daily basis, but how our knowledge and ability to measure time accurately does so. It is only in modern times that we have had moveable accurate time pieces, and this has had huge impacts on the nature and structure of our society.

Your very question illustrates the importance modern people attach to accurate time keeping. Two centuries ago no could have told you the "correct time" unless they happened to be standing near one of the few mechanical clocks around, and more significantly, no one would have bothered.

I wonder what exact time it is, from the very start. I also wonder how fast space time really is, if there even is time. Dont bother trying to explain it.

Someone eventually made a good post on it. Time is a scaler quantity, a measurement with no direction. Time is kept by an atomic clock. Time at its most basic level is measured in seconds, well what is a second really you ask? In laymens terms, it is the amount of time it takes a cesium-133 atom to transition between two ground states.

Time in and of its self has no meaning. By that I mean in space-time, time is relative to the observer and depends upon the mass and speed of the observer. The corner stone of special relativity.

In special relativity time is consider a dimension or an aspect of an existing dimension. In quantum mechanics time is generally not treated as a dimension. Probably the fact that we perceive time as a dimension is because we think of time as linear, having direction. This is fundamentally wrong and is an artifact of thermodynamics. Our existence gives us the impression that time happens in an order, past-present-future, much like other things in our world. Unfortunately this probably is not the correct view of the universe. There is no past or future, they are not places. The future is merely an outcome of a vastly complex probability function maintained in the present.

I think there was a hint of that in the OP's question.

We don't know when the very start was, so there's no way to tell exactly what the time it is from the "very start". Indeed, I should think the very start needs to be defined.

The origins of the Universe itself? We don't really know that with any certainty. Current estimates, I believe are in the 13.5-14.0 Gyr range. Or perhaps from the beginning of the Earth, which is somewhere around 3.8 Gyr old?

If one is seeking the clock that's showing the elasped time since the "very start", say of the universe, and one expects to see a display such as this:

13,732,073,002:231: 16:39:01 (years: days: hours: minutes: seconds), it's not going to happen.

The exact time is whatever our standards of measurement say it is...in any given place.



If you're wondering, why bother to express it if you don't want an explanation?



Space-time is not a thing with a speed, so it cannot be fast.
Space time is a mathematical construct in four dimensions, combining space in three dimensions with time as the fourth dimension. It is a construct which is used to simplify alot of physical theory, and provides a tool for advanced physics.

It doesn't have a speed.

It's also a very complex topic that requires some study to comprehend adequately, in all of its various applications in science and mathematics.

well said, Particularly "The exact time is whatever our standards of measurement say it is...in any given place."
A simple way of saying time is relative to the observer and not universal.

All time is based on consciosness and thought through change and reality basing itself on our wants and needs which moves us through a mind based reality created by us(not knowing) to only create change not by just the body. This s not foward or progress in which change coms in many different ways from good-bad, persuasion-naive, or high-low. This all constitutes back to the thought being the carrier of energy that moves reality around our mind so that we can see what is out there only by such closed unaware minds. Only when someone jumps out of the collective thought tha keeps this feable reality together will ou escape the changes of thought and reality. To either either walk backwards in the energy field created by those or things that was around to keep time going.

This is basically saying that in which everything has a consciousness time will be kept as either a memory or roaming thought in which the realit or 10,000 moments in the one second that we are told that is to exist. If only we take away the seond and just put in the changes from one new born person or consciousness to another. Because cells are dying and being born every second so it is like you are gaining a new body every day meaning that time only comes through change or power. Man made materials are only to siplify what time is to its citizens so that they can be organized into what either the government or the ones who made it up in control to not be in control of politics or kings but by time, laws, and your mind.

So Time kinds to me is a form of control ad organization that keeps our minds on track so that we would neever get confused of yesterday, today, or tomorrow. But mabe some people minds don't follow times slave hold by seeing future events before they happe either by an unconscious dream, natural talent to be minded out of time's grasp, or even a force greater than time sending off signals only certain people brains could tap into likea television reciever only some people could do it by will.

CONTROL THROUGH TIME
TIME THROUGH THOUGHT
THOUGHT TO BE ORGANIZED
ORGANIZATION KEEP YOU UNDER CONTROL!!

DhA...OraCle
-Randy W

its either 4:20 of Beer:30. I settle for either

time is movement. but are we right about time, maybe a second for is a year why do we decided what time is. im not christian but lets take the 7days god thing in the bible earth was created in 7 days and people take that 7 day`s but what if 7 days for god is a couple of billions years for us.

Also we might not be seeing in the same time. Sounds odd but just listen. If someone is forced to do complicated maths for an hour and someone else is forced to play their favorite video game for an hour but neither are allowed to know how long they've been doing their respective activities for.
The maths person may report doing it for 1. 1/2 hours and the video gamer reported thinking it went for 45 minutes. Here, the video gamer might be 45 minutes ahead to the maths person, because he will still be seeming to him to be doing maths. If you follow me, I mean that we could be reading this at the same time, but it may seem like another 45 mins to me before I actually get to read it. If you follow, it sort of makes sense.

The Gregorian solar calendar is an numerical calendar…from the Catholics. I run on Native Time

Time is an illusion. Lunch time, doubly so.

HG2G

It doesn't really matter how accurate time was years and years ago, all that matters is that clocks are synchronised now - otherwise when they tell me to turn up for work at, say, 6am, I could end up getting there at 8am and that wouldn't do at all

people?

well for me, its about half past 27 years and thats all the matters to me

So it seems safe to estimate that the age of the Universe is at least 15 billion years old, but probably not more than 20 billion years old.

- http://superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo1.html

The Gregorian Calender must seem like a joke by comparison to the Mayan Calender(Tzolk'in) imo.

Even their Haab Calender proved more accurate than the Gregorian, or as some have said remains only a few minutes off our Gregorian.

((((*Bricker (1982) estimates that the Haab' was first used around ''550 BCE'')))) Maya concepts of Time

*: off link.