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Baal
Anyone heard about this manuscript that is encoded in a cypher that no one has been able to decode or even know if it can be decoded?

Looks pretty bad ass, especially the galaxy drawings which are just insane to be able to be seen in that time era.(that is of course if they are galaxy drawings but pretty darn close)

Here is the link


http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_13.htm
sourpatchkid
lots of topics on this already. search the forum.
pretty bad-ass though.
The Mule
It was solved....it was a hoax

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/voynich.html
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QUOTE(Baal @ Jul 6 2007, 04:45 AM) *
Anyone heard about this manuscript that is encoded in a cypher that no one has been able to decode or even know if it can be decoded?

Looks pretty bad ass, especially the galaxy drawings which are just insane to be able to be seen in that time era.(that is of course if they are galaxy drawings but pretty darn close)

Here is the link
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_13.htm


Yes we have heard. But all that is left is a Book that can either be used as paperweight or as speculation object for rare book collectors. Everything else is either speculation or worse.

Then again, I remember that there were rumors about the content of some mysterious rune tablets. Books and books of theory. The one that had magical powers attributed to it read (once they managed to decipher it) : "Ragnar owes me four sheep"
Urisk
I always thought it was not much more than a nice looking art book? To be honest, anyone can do that sort of thing, really.
crystal sage
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To this day the Voynich manuscript resists all efforts at translation. It is either an ingenious hoax or an unbreakable cipher. It is thought that the horror writer H.P. Lovecraft might have used the Voynich manuscript as the model for the fictional work, The Necronomicon, which he refers to in many of his stories.


Updates:

* Dec. 17, 2003: Computer scientist Gordon Rugg claims to have solved the mystery of the http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/voynich.html. He argues that the book was created by a a sixteenth-century Englishman named Edward Kelley, using an encryption device called a Cardan Grille, in order to con Emperor Rudolph II.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/voynich.html


It sounds like it's still undecided.... that it is still a puzzle to be solved...


What if.. cool.gif . it were written by someone who had some form of dyslexia??? or on some mind altering drugs???? or a child??? Everyone seems to have looked at it in the terms of a literate... hence they seem thrown by inconsistancies...bad spelling... if you read some old diary ... journal entries of the old days eg one or two hundred years ago..... you can see how rules of spelling didn't quite apply... how they almost seemed to write phonetically... or seem to guess how the words should have been written...

what if it were written by someone who knew a smattering of many languages... eg... in the middle of Europe... amongst traders... who knew what languages were... even now ... every hundred miles or so you come across a new language...

What if the writer of the Voynich Manuscript was a dislexic cosmopolitan of the time... and used a blend of languages???

Even now ,some scholars ( I've met a couple).. who liberally sprinkle their conversations... with bits of French... Latin... German...Spanish... etc.. as to get the pure essence of what they wish to express one needs to express these ideas in the appropriate languages...

We all to it a little now... 'Gesundheit'.. for Bless You...'Amigos' for friend... or 'Mon Amie' for dear friend... or 'deja vu' ... or 'com si com sa' .. arivacerci.. 'Nada' for nothing

Cherie... Shadenfreid ... for love of other's misery.. quotes in Chinese... Russian... Mexican... that is all generally understood these days... . laugh.gif I gather I'm spelling them wrong .. which could have also been a big possibility back then as any form of Schooling back a few hundred years ago was pretty rare... and would they have had some form of Webster's dictionary back then???


They were much different times back then... and it seems that is an important thing to take to account it trying to translate this manuscript... Who knows the author could have used different spellings for certain words or phrases as he progressed much like even children do now ... when you read their earlier attempts of writing....

I believe all these things ... ideas... should be taken to account when translating the Manuscript.... thumbsup.gif


http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/voynich.html
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QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jul 7 2007, 01:52 AM) *
I believe all these things ... ideas... should be taken to account when translating the Manuscript.... thumbsup.gif


They have been taken into account. The results, so far, are still a big 0. It could be that the language involved is completely artificial (i.e. Esperanto), or could be a hoax and it could be the product of a sick mind. Or of a very clever mind who needed some secret document for "gold making" due to desperate shortage of funds.

In any case, the fact that not even occultists quote from the document makes it more likely to be a hoax than anything else.
sourpatchkid
I do think it was created as a "hoax" or a ruse even, but not necessarily with ill-intent. It was probably meant to be kept or passed around as an oddity or conversation piece, with no real meaning or definition. I think the neatest part is that the "language" has defeated all attempts at deciphering.
Eric_15
How was that a hoax? you allways say to everything its hoax, hoax, hoax
travelnjones
There is a very active discussion group for the voynich. it is certainly not decided.

There are many people that have strong opinions but there is currently no concensious about the origin of the voynich. Compelling Press has a recent book on the subject
grayghost
Just wondering has anybody tried the Bible code thing on it?
Bokonontheancient
One man's hoax is another man's treasure. Haha, cheers.

- Bokonon
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