I read this article at another site and thought of you Draconic Chronicler. I look forward to your thoughts, especially.








Luciferian Fallen Angel Worship: It's beginning in Serpent, Dragon, and Sun Worship
A Dr. Lee Warren Plim Report

What is the intent of this article?

To understand the worship of Lucifer today and the rationale behind it, an investigation of the ancient pagan religions’ worship of serpents and dragons must be undertaken. This worship existed before the formation of Israel. Obtaining knowledge of the pagan beliefs gives an understanding of the Luciferian argument that Lucifer is not evil and points out their lack of understanding of the purpose of Elohim. From this investigation it will be shown that Elohim created Israel to be the light for the Gentile nations because they were walking in darkness spiritually.

Israel’s purpose at first was to bring light to the pagans concerning the one Elohim (or true God) and then finally, the Messiah would come to bring light unto the world (Jn. 8:12). Thus, there are two mysteries in operation, namely, the Mystery of Iniquity and the Mystery of Righteousness both functioning through time, which began in the realm of eternity (Rom. 16:25; 2 Thess. 2:7).


These are some of the questions that this article will address.

Did pagans have a notion of Lucifer?

How did the pagans perceive evil?

How was the pagan perception of evil different from that of the Israelites, the Messiah, and the Apostles?

What meaning did the serpent, the dragon, and the sun have in pagan culture?

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GW,
I am not very impressed with the scholarship of this article. It seems to have been written by a typical evangelical Christian largely ignorant of the Bible as most are. This is first revealed by his fixation on Lucifer as a fallen angel, whereas every serious Biblical scholar knows this is a Christian mistranslation. These passages relate to two secular enemies of Israel, the Prince of Tyre and King of Babylon. Christians desperately needed to find a "devil" in the Old Testament, where there was none, because the religion they based Christianity on (Zoroastrianinsm) had a devil (Ahriman). We see this in Revelation where John simply steals the myth of the fall of Ahriman, and simply changed the name of the evil devil dragon from Ahriman to Lucifer.

And since they turned a Persian dragon into the opponent of God, the dragon servants of "real" Judaism were turned to cartoony swan winged pagan humanoid "angels".

The second the that illustrates the ignorance of the author is the typical clueless Christian stance in the article that there are all kinds of people worshipping Lucifer. They do not understand these are mostly atheists that simply pretend to worship Lucifer/Satan to mock Christians who worship God/Jesus.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, though.

Not a problem. I thought it was different, in that it references the serpents, dragons,etc... as opposed to what one usually finds in articles related to the adversary of god.
Thank you for your input.

Acknowledging dragon and serpent Gods was the one interesting thing about it. Many Christians try to downplay the dragons both in the Bible and in other religons, because they now believe they do not exist, "and pretend" to themselves that the dragons mentioned in the Bible are simply dinosaurs. I find it amusing that they dismiss the intelligent dragons of worldwide culture, including early Christianity that acknowledged them as heavenly creatures, yet believe such fantastic nonsense like the earthis only 6,000 years old, and was compltely flooded except for a human family and a boat full of animals.

The truth of the matter is that the Brazen Serpent, (actually a winged Seraph dragon), was Yahweh's idol, that HE ordered Moses to make and the people to venerate.

But anytime you see the acknowledgment of "Lucifer" in an article, you know that person knows nothing about the Bible. There is no Lucifer in Judaism, or even a Satan who opposes God, because these people understand Hebrew and know what the Bible really says.

I've always found it interesting that dragons appear in cultural arts all across the world. The Celts venerated such creatures, the Chinese of Course. The Ancient Aztec's and Quetzecoatal, that brought to them the wisdom to evolve their primitive culture into one far more advanced. (And is often claimed to have been the Egyptians Thoth) . The Feathered Serpent, Quetzecoatal , at first sounds like a snake with feathers. But I think the primitive cultures that referred to such things were trying to describe what they initially understood of their world and the creatures in it. So perhaps, when they saw Q. for the first time, his reptilian appearance and the fact that he flew, perhaps in a craft, made for such a description.
The Sumerian culture venerated serpents and dragons as well. Dragons history or lore can be traced back as far as 4000 B.C. So it's not as if cultures around the world suddenly decided to make such an extraordinary creature, up out of whole cloth. There had to be some reference, something seen, to create their written and oracular accounting of such creatures.

And yes, it is fascinating that in the bible, the golden Calf made god mad, as the Hebrews had melted their gold and made such an idol for worship. The calf, having been a rendering perhaps of "Apis" or "Hapis" . And yet, the brazen serpent, reviled in Genesis as the emissary for what was ultimately the downfall of the first humans, was commanded of them, by god, to be made and worshiped by the Hebrews. And to this day, it's likeness is represented in the Caduceus .

Idolatry, symbology, is a prevalent thing in the bible and cultures around the world. From ancient histories unto the contemporary field. And dragons, now relegated to wearing lipstick and falling in love with talking donkeys, in the movie Shrek, are made to be benign and as fantasy creatures, having no real worth or history at all. But the truth is something quite the opposite. Especially when one considers there were religions that venerated them.

One wonders, if these creator gods and dragon kind, are still present in this world. Or have we all been led to believe that couldn't be possible, and so it is from that acceptance of what tells us we can not see, that doesn't "really" exist, that we do not see. But the symbols, the icons, the art, of the ancients lives to remind us. And I think it's important because those accountings, are so far reaching, that they are not possible to be a global delusion, of a people that could not have conspired to such fiction.
(Leonardo Da Vinci's rendering in study of a Dragon (Source)

Why do you think the misleading reference to Lucifer and Satan, in the bible and such!? Mistranslation?! Or something else?!

yeah dragons are much cooler when the speak Sean Connery and say things like "get your buttocks off my tongue."

I loved that movie!

DC, it sounds to me that you trust in the dragon too much. He is the father of all lies.

Annnnnnnnnnd you can prove this...HOW??

Actually, the dragon I believe you are referring to (Enki/Satan), happens to be the brother and trusted confidant to the dragon who wanted to drown his humans in a great flood (Enlil/Yahweh). It was apparently a very good thing that the orignal "Noah" trusted "the Dragon", Enki/Satan, becasue he is the one that warned Noah in the original story, because Enlil/Yahweh wanted to drowned em all. This is in the oldest version written down 1000 years before the Hebrew version.

Like it or not NS, they are BOTH Dragons, and Yahweh went so far as to make Moses build his dragon idol which the Hebrews had to worship or be killed by his dragon buddies, the "fiery flying serpents". That's what the Bible really says, guy. Deal with it. The non-dragon God of the Bible is called Elohim, the creator. Yahweh is the dragon that kills all those people in the Old Testament.

aren't dragons the symbol of prosperity and knowledge to some?

In Chinese folklore, yes. In fact the Dragon is a central figure in Feng Shui.

Excerpt:(source)
DRAGON - The Dragon is deemed the luckiest and most sacred figure in Chinese folklore. It reputedly has absolute power and symbolizes honor, power and all that is right. Dragons enhance fame and career prospects and should be placed near a door or window in order to guard your wealth and health. They are a very powerful protection cure for your home or office.

There are few symbols that surpass the Chinese Dragon in popularity amongst those who use Feng Shui. The Dragon is said to create the precious cosmic Chi which brings good fortunes into our homes and workplaces. Displaying the dragon together with moving water is even more potent. Display such a water feature in the North for limitless success in your career, or in the Southeast for plenty of wealth luck.

They're also described in dreams symbology. Dragons Dreaming


Just a couple of examples of how the Dragon symbol, icon, lore, has survived and inculcated itself into all aspects of society. As mentioned, it's fascinating that cultures unrelated to one another, have been found to have artifacts, art, legends, etc... related to dragons. From the ancient Sumerian culture, in what is todays Iraq, to the Celts. How does something as extraordinary as a dragon, with characteristics that make it a tri-fold being, in the form of a snake, lizard and bird, come to be? Who thinks something like that up, out of nothing!? Or rather, is it's earliest imagery representative of what was witnessed to exist, by primitive people!?

I've always been fond of dragon art. But as a child I never knew there was a cultural history that made them something besides characters in children's books. They were thought to be just another fictional play thing, like a beloved talking mouse in cartoons. But unlike that cute little rodent in pants named Mickey, Dragons have an ancient history that , as mentioned traces back at least as far as 4000 B.C. That's fascinating, to me. Because ancient people in those days, didn't invest themselves in cartoons or amusing little children's stories. So where did these tales come from and why do their main character appear so unique and their legends vary so drastically, from benevolent creatures, to fearsome adversaries!? And, as DC says, are they the original creator gods, that have been obscured by historians and scribes that don't feel the public is quite ready to accept they were born from what I'd call a dragon cult!?

I'd wager one could study for a lifetime, and never know the answer. But it would still be an intriguing study, in the hopes to at least find some piece of it.

All true. Even in modern, atheistic China it is against the law to "insult" the venerable dragon. Western films and commercials that do so are summarily banned.

I suspect the reason Christianity did not have better success in China was because of modern Christianity's warped attempt to demonize the dragon by Christians too ignorant to realize that dragon's are the highest heavenly creatures in their religon as well, even to the point of the creature many mistake as their God (Yahweh) was originally the Sumerian Storm Dragon, Enlil.

BTW, two more chapters of Ms. Dragon's story are up!

One possibility is that there was, in ancient times, a global naga cult that disseminated beliefs in dragons. You may be interested in "The Serpent Grail", by Philip Gardiner and Gary Osborn. Not the most convincing read, in my opinion, but fascinating nevertheless.

I do appreciate the reference. I found they have a website here.
I shall look to see if my local public library has a copy of the book. If not, I shall look at the bookstores. Thank you again. I was quite unaware of such a title.

No problem! Just pleased I could share some knowledge

Much appreciated, always. So, what did you think of the book, "The Serpent Grail" ? Have you had a chance to review the website? Have you studied much about Dragon lore, especially as is related by Draconic Chronicler!?

I look forward to your thoughts.

Ah, no, I am no such scholar as Draconic Chronicler. I simply have an interest in too many subjects for my own good, and when I saw the title in a booklet (my dad was a member of the doubleday book club) I was immediately interested

Now, as they are entitled to sell their book (also it's been a while since I read it ), I won't go into details, but after reading the book, the obvious question is, how did the said naga cult become global? How did the believers even know of other peoples, let alone reach them? A major puzzler until I read "Civilization One", by Christopher Knight & Alan Butler (website: http://www.civilizationone.com/). If these two are right, and there was a single civilisation before all others, and influenced every other early civilisations, that explains how the naga cult could have become global in the first place. Then, but only then, does "The Serpent Grail" turns from an interesting possibility into an earth-shaking probability that will mean a complete rewrite of history!

Fascinating, no?!

This what i believe; other religion are older then christainity and christianity have similarities with other religion but it doesnt mean its a fraud i just believe its an update on what they found out about the dragon(angel,devas,etc).

Other religions depicted the dragons as God and to bow down to em but then a couple of radical thinkers just figure out that they werent God but other evolved creature so the are not the creator but the created so pay no due to em but you can learn something from it, that it. It's simply a now and then thing.

Altered states of consciousness.

The single civilization theory is flawed because it relies on the physical to explain the spiritual, this single civilization would not only have to influence all of these other early civilization but countless shamanic tribes in remote areas like the Amazon, Siberia, the Australian Outback, etc. This wouldnt be possible, however wherever there are humans there are human brains and consciousness... alter it through any one of numerous ways and they come to you.

Well, actually, as there's no time frame for this first civilisation, it could have been existant before groups of people were scattered in all sorts of remote areas. But it's just a hypothesis anyway