July 8
San Diego, Cali. - A gun-shaped belt buckle worn by a man in San Diego recently led police to train their real firearms on him after he visited a local bank.
Saturday, 24-year-old Jacob Johnson's fashion statement apparently was realistic enough to lead employees to suspect he was a possible bank robber. Once he stepped back outside he had more than 10 police officers aiming their guns at him.
Johnson said he had simply gone with a friend open an account Friday and never suspected his weapon-like buckle would cause such an uproar.
"I was like, 'What is going on here?'" Johnson said. "They told me to empty my pockets and walk backward. They put me in the back of the car, and I didn't know what was going on."
While the situation was eventually figured out and Johnson was released, he still can't understand why he was thrust into the chaotic situation.
"I mean, it's a belt buckle with half a gun," he said. "It's on my waist. If it's a gun, it's pretty amazing that it can just float on my waist."
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I need a belt buckle like that 
Meanwhile, while there were 10 cops surounding this poor guy, a bank robbery was probably going on around the corner 
oh my... couldnt the teller have ask the guy if it was a real gun and you would think when he was leaveing the bank they would think that they where worge
Well...can't really blame 'em for being jumpy, but something like that is pretty easy to spot as being fake.
OK?
If he just went in with a friend and didn't act suspicious or cause a disturbance, you know, demand money anything typical that a bank robber would do... then why in the world did the teller get so jumpy? You'd think that the teller would have been able to tell the difference. It's kind of hard to know without a photo of the belt buckle. If it was shaped so that it looked like one sticking out of the top of his trousers then the teller might have had a point. but if it is the kind I'm thinking of they look realistic but not that realistic.
Mabon.
If he just went in with a friend and didn't act suspicious or cause a disturbance, you know, demand money anything typical that a bank robber would do... then why in the world did the teller get so jumpy? You'd think that the teller would have been able to tell the difference. It's kind of hard to know without a photo of the belt buckle. If it was shaped so that it looked like one sticking out of the top of his trousers then the teller might have had a point. but if it is the kind I'm thinking of they look realistic but not that realistic.
Mabon.
SO, he supposedly walks into a bank with a 2 inch gun hovering at his waistband, completely FAILS to try to rob it, and then the police knab him (does that have a 'k'?)
Good grief.
Good grief.
Having spent substantial time in the San Diego area, there were some things I noticed.
SD attracts a number of people who, having determined that their fortunes can be accumulated there, find that many employers pay in "sunshine dollars", and common wages are low because of this stupid idea that people are willing to take less for the 'privilege' of living there. It's simple to be driving down the street and be verbally accosted by some moron who thinks he's Rambo, when you've done nothing either illegal or impolite.
While I was there, two incidents stand out. One, right near where I worked at the time, the police (local Gestapo, I think) shot a homeless man 14 times, killing him. The guy lived near a MacDonald's, and the people at that place left unused food out for him after closing. The guy was waving a stick 2 1/2 feet long and 1 1/2 inch diameter at the cops when they shot him. They also shot one of their own dogs. A woman who witnessed the event stated (in a news interview) that she could have easily taken the stick away from the homeless one.
Another was a homeless woman, age 67, who was shot and killed in Balboa Park for waving a knife at the cops. The knife was a penknife with a 2 inch blade. Any policeman (or otherwise) should be able to disarm such a person with a nightstick; instead, they shot and killed her.
I had a co-worker who was constantly under police scrutiny. His idea was to attend council meetings and object to governmental improprieties, such as police abuse of homeless people and non-whites. Since San Diego is close to the border, there are many Mexican-Americans there, and many Mexicans who cross the border to work here daily. It seems that there is some reason to be brutal to these people, many of whom were my neighbors. Anyway, my co-worker many times was followed by cops on his way to work, and a few times they ran him off the road (much of the time he bicycled to work).
There is definitely a seamy side to law enforcement in San Diego county, folks.
One time, I took a lawn chair out to the countryside and was sitting under a tree, doing a design of some firmware. A sheriff's helicopter spotted me, and came down to a hover nearby (raising all manner of dust, and generally making life uncomfortable where I was). This abomination stayed there for several minutes until a car arrived, and this donkey grilled me about what the h--- I was doing there. This was public property (by definition, mine and everybody else's), and I am a taxpayer, and I finally got pissed and told this jerk off, and to go about his own business. Fortunately, he took my advice and left me alone.
The idiots.
SD attracts a number of people who, having determined that their fortunes can be accumulated there, find that many employers pay in "sunshine dollars", and common wages are low because of this stupid idea that people are willing to take less for the 'privilege' of living there. It's simple to be driving down the street and be verbally accosted by some moron who thinks he's Rambo, when you've done nothing either illegal or impolite.
While I was there, two incidents stand out. One, right near where I worked at the time, the police (local Gestapo, I think) shot a homeless man 14 times, killing him. The guy lived near a MacDonald's, and the people at that place left unused food out for him after closing. The guy was waving a stick 2 1/2 feet long and 1 1/2 inch diameter at the cops when they shot him. They also shot one of their own dogs. A woman who witnessed the event stated (in a news interview) that she could have easily taken the stick away from the homeless one.
Another was a homeless woman, age 67, who was shot and killed in Balboa Park for waving a knife at the cops. The knife was a penknife with a 2 inch blade. Any policeman (or otherwise) should be able to disarm such a person with a nightstick; instead, they shot and killed her.
I had a co-worker who was constantly under police scrutiny. His idea was to attend council meetings and object to governmental improprieties, such as police abuse of homeless people and non-whites. Since San Diego is close to the border, there are many Mexican-Americans there, and many Mexicans who cross the border to work here daily. It seems that there is some reason to be brutal to these people, many of whom were my neighbors. Anyway, my co-worker many times was followed by cops on his way to work, and a few times they ran him off the road (much of the time he bicycled to work).
There is definitely a seamy side to law enforcement in San Diego county, folks.
One time, I took a lawn chair out to the countryside and was sitting under a tree, doing a design of some firmware. A sheriff's helicopter spotted me, and came down to a hover nearby (raising all manner of dust, and generally making life uncomfortable where I was). This abomination stayed there for several minutes until a car arrived, and this donkey grilled me about what the h--- I was doing there. This was public property (by definition, mine and everybody else's), and I am a taxpayer, and I finally got pissed and told this jerk off, and to go about his own business. Fortunately, he took my advice and left me alone.
The idiots.
lol-he went with a friend to open an account, do alot of bank robbers open an account before they rob the place??/
the tellers or bank manager should have realized it wasnt a robbery
the tellers or bank manager should have realized it wasnt a robbery
QUOTE(RabidCat @ Jul 9 2007, 04:41 PM) 
Having spent substantial time in the San Diego area, there were some things I noticed.
SD attracts a number of people who, having determined that their fortunes can be accumulated there, find that many employers pay in "sunshine dollars", and common wages are low because of this stupid idea that people are willing to take less for the 'privilege' of living there. It's simple to be driving down the street and be verbally accosted by some moron who thinks he's Rambo, when you've done nothing either illegal or impolite.
While I was there, two incidents stand out. One, right near where I worked at the time, the police (local Gestapo, I think) shot a homeless man 14 times, killing him. The guy lived near a MacDonald's, and the people at that place left unused food out for him after closing. The guy was waving a stick 2 1/2 feet long and 1 1/2 inch diameter at the cops when they shot him. They also shot one of their own dogs. A woman who witnessed the event stated (in a news interview) that she could have easily taken the stick away from the homeless one.
Another was a homeless woman, age 67, who was shot and killed in Balboa Park for waving a knife at the cops. The knife was a penknife with a 2 inch blade. Any policeman (or otherwise) should be able to disarm such a person with a nightstick; instead, they shot and killed her.
I had a co-worker who was constantly under police scrutiny. His idea was to attend council meetings and object to governmental improprieties, such as police abuse of homeless people and non-whites. Since San Diego is close to the border, there are many Mexican-Americans there, and many Mexicans who cross the border to work here daily. It seems that there is some reason to be brutal to these people, many of whom were my neighbors. Anyway, my co-worker many times was followed by cops on his way to work, and a few times they ran him off the road (much of the time he bicycled to work).
There is definitely a seamy side to law enforcement in San Diego county, folks.
One time, I took a lawn chair out to the countryside and was sitting under a tree, doing a design of some firmware. A sheriff's helicopter spotted me, and came down to a hover nearby (raising all manner of dust, and generally making life uncomfortable where I was). This abomination stayed there for several minutes until a car arrived, and this donkey grilled me about what the h--- I was doing there. This was public property (by definition, mine and everybody else's), and I am a taxpayer, and I finally got pissed and told this jerk off, and to go about his own business. Fortunately, he took my advice and left me alone.
The idiots.
SD attracts a number of people who, having determined that their fortunes can be accumulated there, find that many employers pay in "sunshine dollars", and common wages are low because of this stupid idea that people are willing to take less for the 'privilege' of living there. It's simple to be driving down the street and be verbally accosted by some moron who thinks he's Rambo, when you've done nothing either illegal or impolite.
While I was there, two incidents stand out. One, right near where I worked at the time, the police (local Gestapo, I think) shot a homeless man 14 times, killing him. The guy lived near a MacDonald's, and the people at that place left unused food out for him after closing. The guy was waving a stick 2 1/2 feet long and 1 1/2 inch diameter at the cops when they shot him. They also shot one of their own dogs. A woman who witnessed the event stated (in a news interview) that she could have easily taken the stick away from the homeless one.
Another was a homeless woman, age 67, who was shot and killed in Balboa Park for waving a knife at the cops. The knife was a penknife with a 2 inch blade. Any policeman (or otherwise) should be able to disarm such a person with a nightstick; instead, they shot and killed her.
I had a co-worker who was constantly under police scrutiny. His idea was to attend council meetings and object to governmental improprieties, such as police abuse of homeless people and non-whites. Since San Diego is close to the border, there are many Mexican-Americans there, and many Mexicans who cross the border to work here daily. It seems that there is some reason to be brutal to these people, many of whom were my neighbors. Anyway, my co-worker many times was followed by cops on his way to work, and a few times they ran him off the road (much of the time he bicycled to work).
There is definitely a seamy side to law enforcement in San Diego county, folks.
One time, I took a lawn chair out to the countryside and was sitting under a tree, doing a design of some firmware. A sheriff's helicopter spotted me, and came down to a hover nearby (raising all manner of dust, and generally making life uncomfortable where I was). This abomination stayed there for several minutes until a car arrived, and this donkey grilled me about what the h--- I was doing there. This was public property (by definition, mine and everybody else's), and I am a taxpayer, and I finally got pissed and told this jerk off, and to go about his own business. Fortunately, he took my advice and left me alone.
The idiots.
I agree that they are idiots...I am now crossing off San Diego on my road trip...Thanks
QUOTE(goalienan @ Jul 9 2007, 10:52 AM)
I agree that they are idiots...I am now crossing off San Diego on my road trip...Thanks
Well, you can go there to see the zoo, it's really a good one. Or Sea World. Personally, I can't think of one good reason to go to that place. Or LA. Lots of other places to see that are more pleasant, like San Francisco, Mendocino, the north CA coast, Oregon, etc. All a matter of taste, I guess.
BTW, the bicycle guy I mentioned was my boss, and his annual was well over $100k. One would think...
I personally believe that the entire police/sheriff bunch should be disarmed there, except for SQUAT, and issued non-lethal weapons.
Okay, so next time you guys need the police, just don't bother calling, handle it yourselves since you all can do so much better and you're above human.
While that is definitely taking things to the extreme; The teller is probably told by her company to call the cops if anything suspicious goes on, and the cops have to treat every call as a serious threat. Everyone did their job and nothing came of it. Hindsight is always 20/20.
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Jul 9 2007, 12:58 PM)
Okay, so next time you guys need the police, just don't bother calling, handle it yourselves since you all can do so much better and you're above human.
I hardly think I'd shoot an old homeless woman, or a homeless man carrying a stick. After all the police brutality in southern CA, the trials of police who essentially murdered unarmed civilians, I'm coming to the opinion that police shouldn't be allowed to carry guns: they seem to be unable to judge when to use firearms. In Spokane recently, a policeman shot a guy in a convenience store who was wielding a bottle of water. I assume from your comment that such a shooting is justified. My thought is that if the average cop is unable to control himself, then controlling a weapon is beyond his capability. Perhaps the weapons should be left for those who are more highly trained.
It is our responsibility, our right, and our duty as citizens to keep control of "peace officers", if such a name can truly be applied. While these people are in situations that may turn violent, they should also keep in mind that the vast majority of citizens are peaceful, and weapons need not be unholstered. Whatever anyone may think, police are in our employ, not we in theirs.
There has also been a major misconception about other so-called "peace officers", such as game wardens and foresters. These bums seem to think they go into dangerous situations every time they go to work. That is pure nonsense, and I invite anyone to test the statistics.
Any time the number of police officers injured in the line of duty is fewer than the number of citizens they injure, without call to do so, there is something drastically wrong, and it should be corrected.
Any time a legal system treats enforcers and other government employees as something other than the citizens who support it, there is something drastically wrong, and that also should be corrected. If you look at current laws, you'll find that those we employ are considered better than are we employers. That is unconstitutional, and should immediately be corrected.
And yes, I probably could do a better job, at least at subduing a 67 year old woman or a homeless man with a stick.
QUOTE(SirRedeye @ Jul 9 2007, 01:27 PM)
lol-he went with a friend to open an account, do alot of bank robbers open an account before they rob the place??/
the tellers or bank manager should have realized it wasnt a robbery
the tellers or bank manager should have realized it wasnt a robbery
Great point.
"This is a stick up. Give me all the money, and deposit it right into my savings account please."
QUOTE(RabidCat @ Jul 10 2007, 12:38 AM)
I hardly think I'd shoot an old homeless woman, or a homeless man carrying a stick. *SNIP*I assume from your comment that such a shooting is justified.
Assume what you like, I'm not bothered.
Just do as I said. Handle it yourself, I'm sure you'll be just fine.
Treating one as all is exactly the way to go!
This thread wasn't about a shooting it was about police responding to a call by a bank teller. They go on the info they have. Everyone hates them until they need them. That's the fact.
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