I have read this and was wondering what you all thought about it if you take the time to read...its really interesting

http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/tw-...item=1104094367

they're lost, if we knew where they were, they wouldn't be lost, now would they?

sigh....Well read the link... it has pretty well supported and detailed theory on where they are....

The Bible is not a true account of history. There are no lost Tribes of Israel. The Bible is not a book of science or true history. It is a book of religious allegory.

So you're telling me the bible has zero true history in it? This is amusing. Try opening one and reading, you'd be amazed at the historical accuracy.

Well I got about two paragraphs into it and it was clear they were trying to sell me something. . . . Thats not very christian now is it?

The bible is not a true account of history. Nonetheless many of the accounts it contains are based on historical events. Unfortunately, in many cases these accounts were not written down until long after the event, thus allowing for folkoric and religious elements to be added over time.

As for the 'lost tribes' - my guess is that they stayed in Babylon and in time merged with the indigenous peoples and adopted their customs and religions.

The lost tribe of Isreal is a historical account not excluisive to just the bible....

You are very very wrong... the link I posted had nothing regaurding trying to sale anything...

Some examples please, because I think you are mistaken.

Maybe it's really the word "lost" that is lost

What are you impling?

I'm just suggesting that the word "lost" may be misunderstood. And did those ten other tribes really ever exist? I don't know, but what do you and others think

Possible candidates for one of the lost tribes?


“Once they were kings. A half million strong, they matched their faith with fervor and out-matched the Moslem and Christian tribesmen around them to rule the mountain highlands around Lake Tana. They called themselves Beta Israel—the house of Israel—and used the Torah to guide their prayers and memories of the heights of Jerusalem as they lived in their thatched huts in Ethiopia.
But their neighbors called them Falashas—the alien ones, the invaders. And even three hundred years of rule, even the black features that matched those of all the people around them did not make the Jews of Ethiopia secure governors of their destiny in Africa” (“Falashas: The Forgotten Jews,” Baltimore Jewish Times, 9 November 1979).
For centuries, the world Jewish community was not even aware of the existence of the Jewish community of Ethiopia in the northern province of Gondar. The miracle of Operation Solomon is only now being fully understood; an ancient Jewish community has been brought back from the edge of government-imposed exile and starvation.

But once they were kings. . .

fair enough, HD, now you only need nine more

Well can someone at least read some of the link I put up... I just want to see what people think about the theroy.

Na, couldn't bothered reading "books" here in U-M. Got enough books to read, my friend

Hmmm, I've read that article some time ago so I'm not going to read it all again but I think I remember what it was talking about. First of all, there is no historical evidence that suggests there was an Exodus and an enslavement of Israelites by the Egyptians. Also, this guy says that not all Israelites are Jews? I don't understand that one, the term Israel was refered to Jacob, who was the father of the twelve sons, Jacob was the son of Abraham, who was the founder of Judaism. I think he thinks Israelite as in people living in the land of Israel, but that's not the case. People from tons of different countries have moved here to the United States, does that mean the whole United States is filled with Jews? I don't know, my thoughts on it.

Why do people think just because I don't agree with the Christian view of the Bible I haven't read it, I have a couple of times maybe three. I even studied it with a Lutheran minister I had great respect for in my youth. I have also studied some history, too. The Bible was written long after many of the events it described happened at time when historical accuracy was less important than the religious message.



I read it. I could with some time pick it apart, but I don't have that much interest in it.

Cochin Jews of India (Jews in India) Bukharan Jews of Uzbekistan. China's Kaifeng jews, many groups of jews throughout Europe?

Actually Darkwind, the Bible is full of historical accounts. The minimalists who say that it doesn't are simply liars with their own agenda. For example, many of these minimalists make the claim there was never a powerful kingdom of Israel, yet the Assyrian monuments that lists their conquests specifically state humbling the kingdom and levying a huge payment of gold and silver in exchange for not destroying Jerusalem and its temple of Solomon. This is not to say there is some exaggeration, for the Bible says that the reason the Assyrians did not destroy Jerusalem is because an angel killed over 100,000 assyrians in one night, and nothing about the bribe of gold the king paid them.

Which story is the true one? It doesn't really matter. The point is the Assyrians do confirm themselves that Israel was a large and rich kingdom, proving the minimalists who claim it is all a fairytale are simply liars, and liars very ignorant of middle eastern history.

As for the lost tribes, if "God" is real, we may assume they were totally annihlated as divine retribution. This occured almost immediately after King Hezikiah foolishly destroyed the winged serpent idol of Yahweh the Sumerian Storm Dragon. The kingdom of Israel prospered as long as the winged serpent idol which Yahweh ordered Moses to build was worshipped. Weeks after Hezikiah destroyed Yahweh's idol, the Assyrians invaded and 10 of the 12 tribes were destroyed, and Jerusalem spared only when the gold was stripped from the Temple to pay the Assyrian king.

Not a good idea to piss off the Sumerian Storm Dragon that supposedly tried to drown the human race because he thought "they were too noisy", or so the ancient scriptures tell us, ones written 1000 years before the Bible version of the same events.

you believing in talking snakes and donkeys is even more amusing

The very beginning of the Bible declares quite clearly that this is mythology and in no way to be taken literally. A woman sits down and begins to have a very intelligent conversation with a snake. This is after that woman is created from a spare rib taken from her sleeping husband.

Actually, the Bible is a true account of history; from a spiritual perspective, but historical nonetheless. The Assyrians exiled the Israelites and sold them. Tyre and Sidon had a hand in trading them. That is true.

You're gonna make enemies on both sides if you keep up the antagonizing. The Bible never declares such a thing. It wouldn't contradict itself by saying that God created all things and then call it an allegory. Your 20th century mode of thinking isn't going to fit with the B.C. mode of thinking. By mocking with words such as 'talking snakes and donkeys' only testifies to your lack of understanding. Because no where else in the Bible (or history) did you see a serpent speak, or a donkey argue with its owner. These were isolated occasions that apparently you refuse to consider.

Ever just listened to people talk and asked them questions politely with out degrading them for their beliefs. People will like you more.

While I do not agree with all aspects of the link, the general gist of it I can. I believe that there was a birthright handed down to the sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Messanah. The younger son was given this birthright by Israel placing his right hand on the crown/forehead of this young man. Thus the "mark of the beast" is a birthright. It is how inheritance was passed back then. This Ephraim is the last manifestation of the cycle described in the Bible. Thus it is the multitude of people who fall under this birthright that Revelations speaks about.

How about the Exodus of the Israelites in Egypt, no records outside the Bible describe this amazing event. How about Israel's army, which was said to be eight times larger then the Roman Empire's, at the peak of their power? Or how about the story of Noah, which if you look at the babylonian story called the "Epic of the Gilgamesh", which is nearly exactly the same as the story of Noah, but was written long before Noah?

In order to understand that you need to understand the word SEA, Cloud

Something to do with "fish"

The SEA of people

If so, then "Egypt" is as irrelevant as time

Maybe not from Hebrew words. Thats the point we miss. We call some civilizations by names that they weren't called by. Take the Hiksos people. They were a Semitic group of people that were 'exiled' around the same time that Moses led the Exodus. There are Grecian tablets from an ancient city long abandoned with pictures recording the event at the Red Sea.

Who said their army consisted of only Israelites? In fact, David had Philistines enlisted in his army even. Do you think that maybe Gilgamesh and Noah have the same relation; that perhaps they are the same guy called by different names in different cultures. For example, the Germany don't call God by the pronunciation of 'god.' Its a different language. Historical context is a vital tool to the most detailed interpretation of events that have happened so long ago.

YOU'RE RIGHT!!!

The Sumerians wrote of the great flood AND a Garden of Eden complete with a talking "serpent-dragon" and a guy named Adam that the creature tricks. These stories were written on clay tablets a 1000 years before the hebrews started writing these things down. The only problem is that most Christians refuse to give any credence to the Oldest, and therefore probably most accurate versions of these stories.

The original bible, the Torah is the most accurate account of history. But, it is so much more. The bible that we have now is just a covering of words from humans that knew very little of how it was going to turn out. The publishers include the Torah because they have to; it is what they are writing about. But, the letters of the New Testament confirm the existence of the Torah through witness accounts of a person who could be an example of what should be. But, they made the mistake of making an idol out of the person. The bible is not wrong in its original account. And the Tribes that have been Lost have been Lost through intermarriage and other things like death and the Essenes had no women, so they disappeared by natural dissolution. They say that Jesus Christ was an Essene. Maybe the Nazarites were the same. But then, I think they are all Lost now in the Matrix. You'll find them everywhere.

Could you provide a link to this tablet please?

And his army was still 8 times larger then the Roman Empire's at the peak of their power...

You have to realize that the Epic of Gilgamesh is also a lot older then the story written in the Bible. True, they may be based on the same story, but the hebrew version is pampered with. Sorry to say, but the Epic of Gilgamesh which came from Babylon (Where some of the Israelites lived), was taken with the Jews who started their own religion, along with other ancient religious stories and tales.

Dead or possibly diluted to the point of nonexistence.

what about flying unicorns? and if im not mistaken isnt the some of the bible copied and plagarized from earlier ancient text, and other parts of the bible written hundreds of years after the time of jesus's alleged birth.

That would be an opinion then. An educated guess at best.

I would provide a link, but I researched it and am now opposed to it. It seems Jacobovici did a little exaggerating to support his view in the "Exodus Decoded" documentary released last year.

Like I said, you could 'assume' that the Israelites made up their own religion. However, their religion is based mainly on Torah observation. If you compare the differences to the similarities of other cultures in history, you will see an overwhelming support in favor of the differences. Take care

So any other records showing the Exodus and the enslavement of Israel in Egypt besides in the bible?

not yet.

The Tel Armana tablets document the Cananite vassals of Egypt complaining to Pharoah that the "HAIBARUS" (Hebresw) are overrunning the country. This is the correct period of the exodus as I present in my upcoming book. However most Christians date the exodus period to Ramses the Great as we see in Cecil B. DeMilles 10 Commandments Film.

I agree with DC.

About the OP:

I tried to read the article, but to be perfectly honest, I stopped about 1/4 of the way in. The author seriously seems to believe that the Lost Ten Tribes (aka, a minority chunk of the Northern Kingdom, if Archaeology has served us correctly) eventually became the ancestors of the English-Speaking Peoples, which accounts for our national greatness (although this begs the question of why it took the English Speaking Peoples more than two millenia to achieve greatness).

That's patently ridiculous, for a number of reasons including a genetic one. They've managed to successfully trace a Jewish migration to Ethiopia resulting in a modern day group of Ethiopian Jews. In other words, they can tell the genetic and ethnic composition of a group, and there has been no evidence that the Semitic ancestry of the peoples of that region significantly mixed with that of the Northern Europeans, never mind claiming that the Lost Ten Tribes were the ancestors of the English-Speaking Peoples. Much, much more likely is that the inhabitants of the Northern Kingdom who were moved around Assyria, being of the same ethnic composition as the Assyrians, simply assimilated, losing whatever distinct heritage they had.

DC, can you point out which letters refer to said people? There's a lot of letters.

They're back in Isreal now!

I believe it is letter E 238 but when I looked to confirm the site with the full archive was down. But this should be one of the easiest to find because of its mention of the "Harbiru" (Hebrews) make it one of the most famous ones.

If you read further the site explained the gap...

In Daniel 4 we read of a dream that King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon had. In the dream he was told that he would be punished for his pride by losing both his kingdom and his sanity. In this dream he was told that "seven times" would pass before his restoration. In the historical fulfillment of this dream, it is apparent that the seven times were a period of seven literal years.
What were the seven times of Israel’s punishment promised in Leviticus 26:18? If this indicated a duration of time, how long was it to last? Understanding the significance of Israel’s seven times punishment opens up history to far deeper meaning than you have probably ever understood before.
First, let us answer the question concerning the length of the "seven times." How many days would "seven times" be? In Revelation 11 and 12 we find keys to understanding this.
Revelation 11:2–3 equates two periods of time: 42 months and 1,260 days. This is simple to understand, as there are exactly 1,260 days in 42 months of 30 days. In Revelation 12:6 we find another mention of 1,260 days, but this time that figure is paralleled in verse 14 by the term, "time, times, and half a time." We have already seen that 1,260 days is equated with 42 months, which is exactly three-and-a-half years. Clearly then, the Bible equates "time, times and half a time" with a three-and-a half-year period of 1,260 days.
"Seven times" is double the length of "time, times, and half a time" (or three-and-a-half years). Therefore, seven times would represent a duration of 2,520 days (twice the length of the 1,260 days). How long a period of punishment upon Israel would these 2,520 days represent in Bible prophecy? To understand this, look at another incident of punishment on Israel. Numbers 13 and 14 give the account of Moses sending 12 spies, one from each tribe, to investigate the Promised Land. Ten of the spies brought back an evil report that discouraged the people and caused them to refuse to enter the land. God was greatly displeased with the people’s lack of faith. Notice the consequences that followed: "According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years, and you shall know My rejection [‘breach of promise’ KJV]" (Numbers 14:34). With each day representing a year in the fulfillment of Israel’s punishment, seven times would represent 2,520 years. What is the full significance of this period of time?

Anciently, God made remarkable promises to Abraham and his descendants. We have already seen that the northern ten tribes were uprooted from their homes and that they ultimately migrated into northwestern Europe. What became of the fulfillment of the promises to Abraham?
Look at the remarkable way in which God has intervened in history to accomplish His purpose and to fulfill His word.
Seven prophetic times 2,520 years went by from the time of Samaria’s fall and Israel’s captivity in 721bc. This brings us to 1800ad and the time when, according to scripture, Abraham’s descendants would begin coming into possession of the birthright promises. The remarkable story that unfolded in the history of the English-speaking people after 1800 is astounding.

The Orthodox Jews you see in Isreal now are from the tribe of Judah

I suppose this is implying the Welsh since their DNA has not been accounted for.

Probably because some of these Christians believe that since the Sumerian culture is no longer around, destroyed, conquered..., the Sumerian version of the collective story (of the Truth) is, therefore, not worth bothering with, spirituality. The Sumerian collective-story has been corrupted...; therefore, banned by God. Again, this civilization is gone, and that is a very concrete proof. God has left the building, so to speak. And since Christianity has survived this long, God placed his seal of approval to this version. Christianity is the most powerful religion in this world, after all, without a doubt. Hence, one must go with the flow, this relatively "new" order..., until a new version of the story is revealed, or updated.

Problem??? The world is what it is, it's meant to be. Christianity is it, at least in my lifetime. BUT, there are factions under the Christian umbrella.

On the other hand, I very much appreciate your erudite posts. They are always a great read. And yes, I'm still waiting for your amazing book to come out.

On the contrary these people were at the source and the beginning, so you can say there account of belif more was pure since time hasent had its infulence yet... mainstream christain beliefs currently, with your so called "updates" for the worse, have been deluted with pagan beliefs since through out times, most prodominatly by the Romans where you get Chrismas, Easter, and the change of the sabbath ect...which also steam from babalyon.