I just found this. Click the link and scroll down the page to find the video... Its not like anything I've seen before. . .

http://www.verystrangenews.com/



ANGEL CAUGHT ON TAPE IN GERMANY

Three friends are out for a drive in Hambury, Germany… one decided to turn on his camcorder and starting filming his friends… but it seems he also filmed something else… something very strange. What he caught on film can only be described as a “flying creature”, that was “light” in color. The friends in the car believe it was an angel… but you can come to your own conclusions.

Now, granted, I'm not able to watch the video at the moment, but from the rest of the articles it looks to be some sort of fake news site....

Yeah, I hear ya. Thought it was worth a gander tho...

that looks kinda creepy. but it could be effects. it looks like a guy is falling down then all the sudden he's standing on the roof of a building. he's transaprent?

I don't think that it looked like an angel. It looked more like a bug that was in the car but moving to fast for the camera to focus on it.

lolotronics

what does an angel look like then? pehaps you could break it down for me...maybe i have been walking past them all the time and didnt know it!!!

praise be to da lord

Hmmmm, it took a lot to stage/create that one but I still think it's fake. Sorry. Jody

First glance, it looked like a huge puff of smoke being carried in the wind... dunno.

or it could have beena bit of clear plastic caught in the wind... there was a construction site right there and that stuff is used all the time

yea, and so is all the equipment with all that black smoke...

"Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it." - Hebrews 13:2 (NIV)

and the relevance is....................

You asked a question, I provided an answer.

oh you theists and your unsatisfying word play.

no you just said some stranger entertained an angel so entertain him

i asked what a angel looked like.

because mark said "that didn't look like an angel" .. there for he must have SOME idea what they look like.

stop being so churchy.. loosen up.

hey I'm loose, baby

when talking about a subject (example being angels and our modern day usage and definition of them) and you have a question you should go to the source to find answers. that's all I did. I don't see anything churchy about it.

Yes, maybe you have walked right past them, becasue according to the Bible, and not modern Christian mythology, angels look exactly like normal people. Nor are they spirts. They must eat food both in heaven and in earth, and some like to have sex with women. In heaven they supposedly eat the substance called Manna.

Angels don't become invisible spirits or given wings until pagan cultures inundated the Judao Christian theoology.

The winged Seraphim of the Bible are actually reptilian creatures curiously recognized all over the world, by the term dragon. In fact, when the Jewish rabbis translated their scriptures from Hebrew to Greek they used the Greek word Drakon, to name the highest of Heavenly creatures. The scriptural evidence even suggests Yahweh is such a creature.

These so called Jewish rabbi's were Alexandrian Jews. The LXX was banned from use and the high priest viewed it as a heretical work. That is what the true Jewish history is behind it. Jewish Angelogy indeed views the Angels as being spirit beings that are capable of being seen or not seen. This theology dates to Gamaliel as recorded in the Jewish Study bible. The theology now is based on the works of Maimonides and has not radically changed at all since Gamaliel. This Dragon fetish it has any true academia to it at all, then why not present it to the research department at Tel Aviv University? The masora has been carefully looked after by the scribes where each word was counted and documented to prevent forgery in the text this is why other translations were not considered to have authority for them. The Hebrews said what they meant and meant what they said and sought to protect it.

I saw that video on youtube and it said the it was the mothman or a inseck or even the chupacabras and nown and angel

Just becasue a scholar claims he is Jewish doesn't mean he is particularly knowledgeable. Many scholars still maintain that the Dead Sea Scrolls came from the temple in Jerusalem. Proof of this is the copper scroll that describes the location of the temple treasrues. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Seraphim are translated to Drakons. But it goes much further than this . Jewish religious laws speciically explained how "holy dragons" had to be depiected in art as stated in Zohar 43a. And the early Christians said the same thing, all the way into medieval times the seraphim were recognized as dragons.

So you are saying that the Christians and Jews around the time of Jesus were heretics, instead of ignorant medieval people seperated from the truths by over a 1000 years. Becasue it was in Medieval times when people were very ignorant of everything that moderh Christian ideas came about.

You should read Heisser's Seraphim article. He is a Christian who unlike you really knows Hebrew, and therfore knows the Seraphim were reptiles just as the ancient Jews did.

And i'll say it again, the scholars who wrote the article on seraphim in the Jewish Encyclopedia are more distinguished scholars than your "hack" buddies at Tel Aviv University.

You say the Dead Sea Scrolls are wrong

You say Jewish Religious laws are wrong.

And you still have not explained why there would be dragons on the Menorah, the holiest Jewish object after the ark of the covenant. Oh, and the dragons on the menorah conform to Jewish religious law as they should.

Nothing biblical supports your wacky modern Christian ideas except maybe Sunday School coloring books.

lol well when the source is that crazy bible book, so.. infact YES.. I along with alot of other people would classify that oh i dunno.. CHURCHY
as usual you theists answer my question with another question so on and so forth without actually answering my question... (YOUR ALL VERY GOOD AT THAT THO KUDOS)

perhaps maybe you can see where i am going with my line of questioning and the only place you can see it ending up is a nice flowery place void of all theistic nonsense concepts and logic EVERYWHERE ripe for the picking...also strippers.

so the question remains.. to MARK.. not you Llucid who again and again have shown just how great you are at NOT answering questions. If thats NOT what an angel looks like.. then perhaps you could enlighten me with perhaps.. maybe just one or two angelic traits i should look outfor when im staggering down the street.

I don't want to derail this thread but I have to point out that you completely lost me. I have yet to ask you a single question so this whole notion of 'answering a question with a question' is completely out of left field. I am sorry that anything to do with the ancient texts that make up the Bible is considered 'churchy' to you. It appears that for me to not be 'churchy' I have to talk about keg stands and fornicating with women and things of that nature. In essence, I have to quit talking like me and talk more like you so that I won't be 'churchy' and you'll actually read what I post. Gotcha.

Back onto the subject of angels, as that verse that I posted indicates, they can look exactly like regular human beings. When they aren't suppressing their angelic characteristics the only difference is they are radiating with what can only be described as the glory of God. As DC points out, many of the things we think of when we think of angels isn't from the Bible. That isn't to say that it goes against what the Bible says, however.

One thing I would like to point out about the Dead Sea Scrolls is that it's hard to say they are wrong when they don't even agree with each other. Sure there are texts that back up what DC says, but of the thousands and thousands of scrolls and textual fragments there are also many that mirror what our modern day OT says (more specifically they line up with the Mesoretic texts).

O.K. so to cut thru the non sense basicly your saying that angels look exactly like humans, but you wont know that they are angels, so infact logic suggests its just another human and also.. angels infact only exsist in your mind and nowhere else.. not even in the bible.

SO INFACT

angels are just as mythical as dragons? unicorns and polite prostitutes?


ok so my question is answered. thank you.

Understand that I am not trying to make some obscure lost scripture in the Dead Sea Scrolls into mainstream scripture. The point about the Seraphim has nothing to do with the "new" scriptures found there. The point is that by this time the Jews were writing even the Holy Torah in Greek, and these are the oldest fragments of the bible in existence. . And what we find is that any time Seraphim was translated into Greek, the word that was used was Drakons. If the Seraphim looked like humans they might have used the Greek word Angelos. Nor is it only words. When ancient Christians depiected the throne of God with Seraphim around it, they are giant serpents or dragons, usually in the act of swallowing a sinner. This can be seen on various old bible covers, frescoes and mosaics.

And as I said before, dragons appear on the holiest of temple furniture and religious laws specifically describe how "Holy" Drakons must be depicted. So I am not saying angels look like dragons, but that the Seraphim are definately NOT humanoid angels as often believed in modern Christian mythology.

I don't believe in the winged creatures of today's depiction of angels.. I believe angels to be walking around us as normal people. We don't know who is, and who isn't.

As a Christian, I find your sense of humor amusing. And only a person in a most powerful religion in the world could find such candor a "laugh riot," for one could afford to be generous. Still waiting for your book, DC.

"Let them eat cake."

Incorrect. Angels are present constantly in scripture. I said 'when they suppress their angelic traits' do they look like humans. Here is an example of an angel that is not trying to blend in:

"I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of the finest gold around his waist. His body was like chrysolite, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude." - Daniel 10:5-6 (NIV)

Some argue that this may be Christ Jesus before he became the Son of Man. Regardless, the appearance is similar to that of angels throughout scripture. A human-like figure infused with the power of God. If you saw someone like this, there would be no mistaking who or what it was.





"In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying." - Isaiah 6:1-2 (NIV)


Correct. This verse is the clearest descriptions we have of Seraphim. There is no reference to them appearing like a man, and in fact the Hebrew noun Saraph means a flying, fiery serpent. Now Cherubim on the other hand do have an 'appearance like man'...

"I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, but each of them had four faces and four wings. Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved. Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body." - Ezekiel 1:4-11 (NIV)

The description is actually much long than this, the majority of the whole first chapter of Ezekiel is describing these Cherubim. We know these are Cherubim because Ezekiel chapter 10 (which is even crazier than chapter 1) tells us they are. Now, I know that men do not look like this, but it says that for a reason. What that reason is, I don't know.

Another thing I'd like to note, the reason why I said our modern day views on angels might not be wrong, is that there is a verse in the Bible that uses wings in the description..

"Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth." - Zechariah 5:9 (NIV)

These beings aren't specifically called angels, but the impression they give matches them. It is also important to note that this is the only verse in the Bible where it mentions spirits in the form of women. All other descriptions are that of men.

How can something's body be like Chrysolite... Chrysolite is another word for the gemstone Peridot. ??

That's a weird analogy.

The ancient Hebrews often used gemstones to describe things that weren't really describable. Maybe he was lit up like one of those green/yellow glow sticks. It'd be pretty hard to describe that back then. Especially without the word 'neon'.

The book won't be long now.
Understand, that when I use the term "Modern Christian Mythology", I am referring to those modern religious concepts which Christianity has invented but appear nowhere in the Bible. Much of moondoggy's medieval angelology is a good example of what could be termed "Christian mythology" becasue it is not in the Bilble. Heavenly serpent dragons are most definately IN the Bible, but I never claimed they are angels..

I looked at the video and it seems like an effect to me. It was cool though. The only thing I can suggest to the director is I always thought that Angels just appear where they want to, you know, moving at the "speed of thought". When the Bible said Jesus would appear he just "appeared" or just "disappeared' in a blink of an eye. Never heard of them flying, at least thats what I have heard from people I would believe and not just thought they were making it up.

"Then I looked up--and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth." - Zechariah 5:9 (NIV)


These women are generally seen as angels and it is the only verse in the Bible that I have come across that depicts spirits with wings flying.