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Jouster
There has always been a debate on the loch-ness monster. this picture ,though clear, might not be as real as you might think. Where specail effects and hoaxes play their part in this onbegoing question, can there really be a monster in loch ness? or is it just a lie. while some claim to have seen the loch ness monster, could it just be a grab at attention? Here are some "first hand" expeirences that they say are real as cookies. (maybe not cookies but everyone likes cookies!). these are all 2005 sightings of nessy found at the loch ness fan club.


15th October
Robbie Girvan, owner of the Loch Ness Caravan Park at Invermoriston, took five pictures of what he described as a 4 feet high head and neck at 6pm when he was walking his dogs by the loch shore. He said he saw a long neck come out of the water and had time to return to the house, get his camera, and return to take the pictures. Previously a non-believer, he said that the ‘dark green and silvery’ creature could only have been Nessie.


9th September
A retired Master Mariner was cruising just south of Urquhart Bay in a Caley Cruisers boat at a speed of 9 knots when they were overtaken by an unknown object which was between them and the south shore. Unlike anything any of the three people on the boat had seen before, the sighting lasted several minutes with whatever it was only disappearing as they moved the boat towards it. A regular boat user on the loch, the captain said that there was no rational explanation for what they had seen.


28th August
Kelly Yeats and Neil McKenzie from Bridge of Dee were staying at Foyers Bay House when they saw a ‘long necked, curved headed’ creature in the loch at 8.30 in the morning. The sighting lasted 10 minutes.


11th August
Mr Bell and his family from Newcastle watched what they described as the head of a large animal move through the loch at 6pm in the evening. The family, who were on the veranda of a holiday lodge at Foyers at the time, said that the head was larger than that of a cow and was about 1/3 of the way across the loch. Regular visitors to the area, they were convinced it was not a boat wake or wave movement that they had seen.


PS I myself do not believe in such sightings. though they are convincing I beleive that if it was that big some one would see it more often than that. It is really fun to wonder about these things though. that is why I like posting these things!
louie
I thought that photo had been proven to be a fake years ago.
Jouster
QUOTE(louie @ Jul 12 2007, 04:47 AM) *
I thought that photo had been proven to be a fake years ago.



it probly is it just gets people in the swing of things
pinOi32
of course plesiosaurs had the chance of survival when the meteor crashed Earth because they lived in the very deep parts of the ocean, so it doesnt surprise me that a few survived and have been producing young that are still living today. remember the groups of fish they found that has been living ever since the time of dinosaurs? its the same thing. yes.gif
Mad Hatter
I, for one, believe in the Loch Ness Monster. Whether it's a plesiosaur or not, I feel something exists in Loch Ness and other lakes.

I favor Roy P. Mackal's theory of zeuglodons.
FootBeef
QUOTE(pinOi32 @ Jul 12 2007, 03:00 PM) *
of course plesiosaurs had the chance of survival when the meteor crashed Earth because they lived in the very deep parts of the ocean, so it doesnt surprise me that a few survived and have been producing young that are still living today. remember the groups of fish they found that has been living ever since the time of dinosaurs? its the same thing. yes.gif



Actually its not the same thing at all. THe coelacanth they have found aren't exactly the same as their kin. And as far as plesiosaurs are concerned, they are very big and people like to think that Loch Ness is huge but there is no way that a lake of that size could accommodate any kind of breeding population.
the14u2cee
That picture could be a sock puppet........again there are all kinds of things that we have no clue about on this earth, thats what makes it so fascinating...
pinOi32
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Jul 12 2007, 11:21 AM) *
Actually its not the same thing at all. THe coelacanth they have found aren't exactly the same as their kin. And as far as plesiosaurs are concerned, they are very big and people like to think that Loch Ness is huge but there is no way that a lake of that size could accommodate any kind of breeding population.


they both lived in the water, right?? and maybe there is only 1 plesiosaur...
CAptain Scuttle Tew
Ahoy,
Loc Ness is deep, but not big. I don’t think the “monster” can be any type of air breathing animal. It would have to surface too often…think of whales, dolphins, etc. Due to the size of the Loc and the population around it, it would be seen more often than it is. I do think there is some animal life form that is large and lives in deep, cold lakes. Most lakes like Loc Ness, Lake Champlain etc report a large, unidentified animal. It could be that we humans have always been mystified by “what is going on down there,” and make up these mythes. Think about sea monsters. Here is my idea. There are ‘critters” in these deep, cold lakes. They are not air breathers. They live very deep and quite possible live below the lakes in the deep, mineral rich sediment. Current science dismisses the idea of huge nematodes because the oxygen exchange of a nematode is insufficient to support a critter of such size. I guess that rules out huge worms, but I’m thinking it could be more like a newt. It could gill breath as well as “skin breath.” That would explain why we don’t see dead “Nesses” washing up on shore. They die in the deep sediment and rot there. Oh, and the picture was explained years ago as a child’s toy dinosaur. I don’t recall where I read that, but I believe it was admitted as a hoax.
CAptain Scuttle Tew
"Oh, and the picture was explained years ago as a child’s toy dinosaur. I don’t recall where I read that, but I believe it was admitted as a hoax. "
Sorry, I only looked briefly at the picture, I was thinking of a different picture. ooops.
Mordfabrik
Omg! It looks exactly like a large human hand! Mwuhahahhaha
pinOi32
maybe it comes out to breath at night! geek.gif


what a lame theory.
Samael
QUOTE(Tatzelwurm Hunter @ Jul 12 2007, 04:18 PM) *
I, for one, believe in the Loch Ness Monster. Whether it's a plesiosaur or not, I feel something exists in Loch Ness and other lakes.

I favor Roy P. Mackal's theory of zeuglodons.


Technically there was never any such thing as a Zeuglodon. It was a name change for Basilosaurus, but it never caught on and was dropped.
CAptain Scuttle Tew
QUOTE(pinOi32 @ Jul 12 2007, 03:59 PM) *
maybe it comes out to breath at night! geek.gif
what a lame theory.

Give me a better one.
Luka the Rentboy
QUOTE(pinOi32 @ Jul 12 2007, 05:51 PM) *
they both lived in the water, right?? and maybe there is only 1 plesiosaur...


One immortal plesiosaur? Now that'd be something to see.

And one is a fish. One is a large aquatic reptile. Latimeria of today is quite different from the Coelecanth of the past. Loch Ness was frozen in ice till a mere 12,000 years ago. Since then, the area has been cold and highly unfavourable to an aquatic reptile of any kind.

Whatever the Loch Ness monster might be, it is not a prehistoric reptile; that's just the wishful daydreaming of a kid hooked on dinosaurs and prehistoric life.
Shush_rules
that's a really old pic....didn't the guy who took this photo confess on his deathbed that it was fake?

Aren't one of the theories there is a tunnel that goes into the ocean and the loch ness monster goes into the lake to breed or something (actually i made that last part up about the breeding and what not)
questionmark
QUOTE(oOMeatBallOo @ Jul 12 2007, 05:43 PM) *
There has always been a debate on the loch-ness monster. this picture ,though clear, might not be as real as you might think. Where specail effects and hoaxes play their part in this onbegoing question, can there really be a monster in loch ness? or is it just a lie. while some claim to have seen the loch ness monster, could it just be a grab at attention? Here are some "first hand" expeirences that they say are real as cookies. (maybe not cookies but everyone likes cookies!). these are all 2005 sightings of nessy found at the loch ness fan club.


Common now, we know that picture and we know it is an arm out of focus. They should start on something new now.
CAptain Scuttle Tew
QUOTE(pinOi32 @ Jul 12 2007, 03:59 PM) *
maybe it comes out to breath at night! geek.gif
what a lame theory.

Try holding your breath for 12 to 14 hours..... even the best divers in the world, whales, can't go for that long:blink:
Sweetpumper
Elephant trunk.
Jouster
QUOTE(CAptain Scuttle Tew @ Jul 12 2007, 06:10 AM) *
Try holding your breath for 12 to 14 hours..... even the best divers in the world, whales, can't go for that long:blink:



I didn't know that elephants can swim! lol anyway yes it has come to my understanding that that is a fake photo
NatalieK
If there is something in Loch Ness, it's not a Plesiosaur. People claim to see a neck rising out of the water, though as was discovered by a palaeontologist, Plesiosaurs were apparently unable to raise their necks in such a manner.

Source

I'm sure there's a thread on this forum about it, but just thought I'd throw this out for people who were unaware.
capoeiranger
It's a fake photo, proven on TV and the hoaxer admit it! I do think there's something big on the Loch, I've been there myself, but never catch any glimpse of the creature. It maybe just an oversized eel or any fish, you know, usually the thnig we've been searching the most all of our time usually lay open under our nose. So...
FootBeef
QUOTE(Jouster @ Jul 12 2007, 05:31 PM) *
I didn't know that elephants can swim! lol anyway yes it has come to my understanding that that is a fake photo



I think what he was referring too was a famous picture of "nessie" that was actually an elephant crossing the loch.
And yes elephants can swim, and some of the famous nessie photos have turned out to be elephants. What they are doing there beats me.
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NatalieK
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... some of the famous nessie photos have turned out to be elephants. What they are doing there beats me.


I'd say the photos were shot somewhere else, and then claimed to be photos taken at the Loch. Makes sense, not many people would challenge them.
pinOi32
dude forget all my lame theories jeez
~Onyx~
"Very Clear Photo of The Loch Ness Monster"? Who do I sue for false advertising?
FootBeef
QUOTE(pinOi32 @ Jul 12 2007, 06:14 PM) *
dude forget all my lame theories jeez



Why bring it up if you can't take some disagreement?
questionmark
QUOTE(Jouster @ Jul 12 2007, 08:31 PM) *
I didn't know that elephants can swim! lol anyway yes it has come to my understanding that that is a fake photo


Maybe you should watch a little more PBS. Elephants are very good swimmers.

Agent. Mulder
ok, can anyone else see through its friggin eye? straight to the water on the other side

oh, and yeah, ive heard that pic was an elephant as well. its trunk or w/e
Archosaur
QUOTE(FootBeef @ Jul 12 2007, 01:45 PM) *
I think what he was referring too was a famous picture of "nessie" that was actually an elephant crossing the loch.
And yes elephants can swim, and some of the famous nessie photos have turned out to be elephants. What they are doing there beats me.
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Come on: everyone knows that the elephants are provided by the Scottish government to help feed the Nessies. After all, their population is low enough that thye would fit under their local endangered species laws. Besides, a well fed Nessie is a safe Nessie.

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CAptain Scuttle Tew
QUOTE(Archosaur @ Jul 12 2007, 10:23 PM) *
Come on: everyone knows that the elephants are provided by the Scottish government to help feed the Nessies. After all, their population is low enough that thye would fit under their local endangered species laws. Besides, a well fed Nessie is a safe Nessie.

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questionmark
QUOTE(Archosaur @ Jul 13 2007, 01:23 AM) *
Come on: everyone knows that the elephants are provided by the Scottish government to help feed the Nessies. After all, their population is low enough that thye would fit under their local endangered species laws. Besides, a well fed Nessie is a safe Nessie.

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Now we know why the poor things were at the verge of extinction, they were eaten by Nessie
capoeiranger
^Sometimes I wonder, which one must we protect first? Elephant or Nessie original.gif ?
questionmark
QUOTE(capoeiranger @ Jul 13 2007, 10:48 PM) *
^Sometimes I wonder, which one must we protect first? Elephant or Nessie original.gif ?


Aha, now we have a worthwhile thread. Then again, to protect Nessie we first gotta find it original.gif
TheNomad
The elephant theories come from travelling circuses parking up near the loch and allowing their performing elephants to bath in it.
The E
It's an elephant, even if you don't want it to be that original.gif
Stormfin
What do some of you guys think "Nessie" actually is?
Luka the Rentboy
QUOTE(Stormfin @ Jul 14 2007, 05:32 AM) *
What do some of you guys think "Nessie" actually is?


I have a theory.

Seriously.

Listen carefully.

Swampgas.
Stormfin
How about an eel or a sturgeon?
spikeman25
QUOTE(oOMeatBallOo @ Jul 12 2007, 02:43 PM) *
There has always been a debate on the loch-ness monster. this picture ,though clear, might not be as real as you might think. Where specail effects and hoaxes play their part in this onbegoing question, can there really be a monster in loch ness? or is it just a lie. while some claim to have seen the loch ness monster, could it just be a grab at attention? Here are some "first hand" expeirences that they say are real as cookies. (maybe not cookies but everyone likes cookies!). these are all 2005 sightings of nessy found at the loch ness fan club.
15th October
Robbie Girvan, owner of the Loch Ness Caravan Park at Invermoriston, took five pictures of what he described as a 4 feet high head and neck at 6pm when he was walking his dogs by the loch shore. He said he saw a long neck come out of the water and had time to return to the house, get his camera, and return to take the pictures. Previously a non-believer, he said that the ‘dark green and silvery’ creature could only have been Nessie.
9th September
A retired Master Mariner was cruising just south of Urquhart Bay in a Caley Cruisers boat at a speed of 9 knots when they were overtaken by an unknown object which was between them and the south shore. Unlike anything any of the three people on the boat had seen before, the sighting lasted several minutes with whatever it was only disappearing as they moved the boat towards it. A regular boat user on the loch, the captain said that there was no rational explanation for what they had seen.
28th August
Kelly Yeats and Neil McKenzie from Bridge of Dee were staying at Foyers Bay House when they saw a ‘long necked, curved headed’ creature in the loch at 8.30 in the morning. The sighting lasted 10 minutes.
11th August
Mr Bell and his family from Newcastle watched what they described as the head of a large animal move through the loch at 6pm in the evening. The family, who were on the veranda of a holiday lodge at Foyers at the time, said that the head was larger than that of a cow and was about 1/3 of the way across the loch. Regular visitors to the area, they were convinced it was not a boat wake or wave movement that they had seen.
PS I myself do not believe in such sightings. though they are convincing I beleive that if it was that big some one would see it more often than that. It is really fun to wonder about these things though. that is why I like posting these things!
Fake fake fake.
Luka the Rentboy
QUOTE(Stormfin @ Jul 14 2007, 06:18 AM) *
How about an eel or a sturgeon?


What kind of eel? Not one of those... 40 footers right?
FootBeef
QUOTE(Stormfin @ Jul 14 2007, 03:32 AM) *
What do some of you guys think "Nessie" actually is?



I don't think that it's anything. It's mass hysteria, people who look out on the loch are expecting to see nessie subconsciously or otherwise.

They see a log or a pole BAM it's nessie.
Wake of a boat? BAM it's Nessie.
Dog swimming in the water? BAM it's nessie
Person drowning? BAM it's Nessie.


you see where i'm going with this

Athena22
That is definitely a fake picture. I'm sure a lot of artists can replicate that.
capoeiranger
Nessie can be a simple big (well, maybe a little bit oversized) sturgeon or eel seasoned with endless gossips, rumors and well-prepared with hoaxes. Voila!
rosenrot
QUOTE(spikeman25 @ Jul 14 2007, 12:53 AM) *
Fake fake fake.

And please explain why. If you reply with "people can't be trusted" then why should I trust you.
ThaddO
sh**, sorry, that was me. I dropped my Tuggy the Brontosaurus in Loch Ness, and everybody freaked out. and I left my Buggy the Bear costume out in the woods, because when I was wearing it, people were making fun of me, saying I have big feet, or something.
Oh, and one day I was skydiving, and everybody said I was a moth man.

There's the explanation to all you cryptids grin2.gif (jk)
foxgirl
I believe that there is a lochness monster! Some people think nothing is in the lake, but if they are right, what are people seeing? So far, people think it is a plesiosaur, giant eel, unknown species of fish, giant seal or a tully monster.
pinOi32
I think I know what it is now. An elephant's trunk. yes.gif
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(pinOi32 @ Jul 15 2007, 01:25 PM) *
I think I know what it is now. An elephant's trunk. yes.gif


Yes, there's been a population of aquatic elephants roaming loch Ness since the first rash of modern sightings in 1933. And they have eluded scientists doing sonor scans all of these years. Many of the early sightings were quite detailed, the head had eyes it was quite large, and connected to a body much longer than an elephant. And the same creatures are seen in the other Scottish lochs. I guess the elephants really get around, and have been there at least since the 6th century AD.
Archosaur
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Jul 15 2007, 04:34 PM) *
Yes, there's been a population of aquatic elephants roaming loch Ness since the first rash of modern sightings in 1933. And they have eluded scientists doing sonor scans all of these years. Many of the early sightings were quite detailed, the head had eyes it was quite large, and connected to a body much longer than an elephant. And the same creatures are seen in the other Scottish lochs. I guess the elephants really get around, and have been there at least since the 6th century AD.


This explains the rash of peanut disappearances in the Scottish Highlands.
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