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user posted image rSubmitted by Waspie Dwarf: A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change. It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen. It also shows that modern temperatures are not determined by the Sun's effect on cosmic rays, as has been claimed. Writing in the Royal Society's journal Proceedings A, the researchers say cosmic rays may have affected climate in the past, but not the present. "This should settle the debate," said Mike Lockwood, from the UK's Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory, who carried out the new analysis together with Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland. Dr Lockwood initiated the study partially in response to the TV documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, broadcast on Britain's Channel Four earlier this year, which featured the cosmic ray hypothesis. "All the graphs they showed stopped in about 1980, and I knew why, because things diverged after that," he told the BBC News website. "You can't just ignore bits of data that you don't like," he said.

The scientists' main approach on this new analysis was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature, which has risen by about 0.4C over the period. The Sun varies on a cycle of about 11 years between periods of high and low activity. But that cycle comes on top of longer-term trends; and most of the 20th Century saw a slight but steady increase in solar output. However, in about 1985, that trend appears to have reversed, with solar output declining. Yet this period has seen temperatures rise as fast as - if not faster than - any time during the previous 100 years.

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Fluffybunny
Oh good grief...no one tell Theodore about this thread...please...
Ghost Ship
LoL. Before i even clicked on the comments i knew what the first comment here was going to be when i read the topic. laugh.gif This could be bad.
r2d2
QUOTE(SaRuMaN @ Jul 13 2007, 11:05 AM) *
linked-imageSubmitted by Waspie Dwarf: A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change. It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen. It also shows that modern temperatures are not determined by the Sun's effect on cosmic rays, as has been claimed. Writing in the Royal Society's journal Proceedings A, the researchers say cosmic rays may have affected climate in the past, but not the present. "This should settle the debate," said Mike Lockwood, from the UK's Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory, who carried out the new analysis together with Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland. Dr Lockwood initiated the study partially in response to the TV documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, broadcast on Britain's Channel Four earlier this year, which featured the cosmic ray hypothesis. "All the graphs they showed stopped in about 1980, and I knew why, because things diverged after that," he told the BBC News website. "You can't just ignore bits of data that you don't like," he said.

The scientists' main approach on this new analysis was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature, which has risen by about 0.4C over the period. The Sun varies on a cycle of about 11 years between periods of high and low activity. But that cycle comes on top of longer-term trends; and most of the 20th Century saw a slight but steady increase in solar output. However, in about 1985, that trend appears to have reversed, with solar output declining. Yet this period has seen temperatures rise as fast as - if not faster than - any time during the previous 100 years.

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This will disappoint all the global warming debunkers out there... but you could have guessed this was a rather lame arguement to begin with, if the suns output could effect climate so radically we would have all noticed it by now
questionmark
Ehmm.... duh!
Star_girl
can imagine how many replys this topic is going to get... Oh boy...

Well hopefully they will stick to one story now...
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Jul 13 2007, 06:27 AM) *
Oh good grief...no one tell Theodore about this thread...please...


lol everyone hang on !
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE(Star_girl @ Jul 13 2007, 09:39 AM) *
can imagine how many replys this topic is going to get... Oh boy...

Well hopefully they will stick to one story now...


Hmm, I wouldn't tuck my neck on the base of a guillotine just yet! tongue.gif
Reincarnated
The truth will prevail. Do not be fooled by imposters.
Goblin-5
QUOTE(Reincarnated @ Jul 13 2007, 01:18 PM) *
The truth will prevail. Do not be fooled by imposters.


They are correct in their analysis but they miss a very important point. Earths orbital fluctuations. The earth is getting closer to the sun in this period and even if the sun stays constant the energy falling on the earth will increase. You put your finger 1 inch above a match and its warm... 0/10 inch and its bloody hot
SilverCougar
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Jul 13 2007, 10:27 AM) *
Oh good grief...no one tell Theodore about this thread...please...



ROFL My thoughts when I first saw this thread.. like.. omgswtfbbq theodore's going to go balistic here..
Reincarnated
QUOTE(Goblin-5 @ Jul 13 2007, 06:56 PM) *
The earth is getting closer to the sun in this period and even if the sun stays constant the energy falling on the earth will increase. You put your finger 1 inch above a match and its warm... 0/10 inch and its bloody hot
STOP THE PRESSES! laugh.gif
gaia227
Thanks for posting this Saruman. That is all I am going to say and I am never come back to this thread because I cannot argue with Theodore anymore about this. It is hazardous to my health.
keithisco
Nice one SARUMAN... we all have to laugh somtimes. Not at the content but the witticism
r2d2
QUOTE(Goblin-5 @ Jul 13 2007, 07:56 PM) *
They are correct in their analysis but they miss a very important point. Earths orbital fluctuations. The earth is getting closer to the sun in this period and even if the sun stays constant the energy falling on the earth will increase. You put your finger 1 inch above a match and its warm... 0/10 inch and its bloody hot


Thats a myth, its not the distance from the sun that makes summers hotter, but the angle of the IR light from the sun.... light hitting the earth head on has a much higher intensity than light hitting sideways, thats also why the tropics are much hotter than the poles.

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