oso Posted August 4, 2007 #1 Share Posted August 4, 2007 so, i'm having a hard time believing it's possible to have hydrokinesis, photokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. The only thing that caught my attention that made me really think about it was something i saw on ripley believe it or not about the healer that can steam up tinfoil in 60 seconds. does anybody have any videos of themselves or of others that can prove that it really exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsiJames Posted August 4, 2007 #2 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Yes, yes, I would love to see proof...... BUT THERE IS NONE! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuppence Posted August 4, 2007 #3 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Likewise, though, have you got any proof that you exist in the sense of a body and not just a brain in a jar who's fed electrical stimulants to artificially create the senses? There's more than one type of proof, namely proof by showing that it can't not be true (note the double negative). We haven't proved that <prefix>-kinesis doesn't exist yet, so their argument is still valid. Mankind has advanced by questionning things, and until you can prove to me that none of it is real I'll remain at my current state of skeptisism, namely sitting on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsiJames Posted August 4, 2007 #4 Share Posted August 4, 2007 (edited) I never said I DON'T beleive, did I? I do beleive, I just don't have any proof. Though I understand how you could make that statement out to say that I don't beleive... I, too, am sitting on "the fence". Edited August 4, 2007 by PsiJames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haj01 Posted August 4, 2007 #5 Share Posted August 4, 2007 (edited) There are many videos..... but why bother looking at a video when theres endless ways it could have been faked. The only way to prove it is in real life. If you don't believe in kinesis then you'l probably never get it. IF you want kinesis abilities just believe you can do it. Then maybe one day you'l find it. Although theres no real proof of kinesis there isn't any evidence it does not exist. Just keep trying to practise kinesis who knows what will happen. Edited August 4, 2007 by Haj01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oso Posted August 4, 2007 Author #6 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Likewise, though, have you got any proof that you exist in the sense of a body and not just a brain in a jar who's fed electrical stimulants to artificially create the senses? woah. I don't think i could ever think of something that bizarre lol. the only proof of it being true that I'VE seen is the guy on Ripley's: http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE the proof of it not being real is because i can't do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuppence Posted August 4, 2007 #7 Share Posted August 4, 2007 (edited) I never said I DON'T beleive, did I? I do beleive, I just don't have any proof. Though I understand how you could make that statement out to say that I don't beleive... I, too, am sitting on "the fence". I was pretty sure that was what you meant, I wasn't directing it at you as such. The problem with English is that "you" can mean both an individual and a group. Just a discussion point. woah. I don't think i could ever think of something that bizarre lol. Why not? Assuming the human body and brain are like what you believe them to be, there's no reason that this isn't true. Same basis for The Matrix-like effects. They didn't know they were stuck in a pod, so why would you? *waits for the conspiracy theories to form* Edited August 4, 2007 by Tuppence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsiJames Posted August 4, 2007 #8 Share Posted August 4, 2007 I have lately just been toying around with kinesis just to see what pops up, and it's my 4th-5th day and nothing, not even moving a tissue. Of course, they say it will take up to a month to move even a psi wheel(which I don't trust entirely, because the heat of the hands moves the wheel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuppence Posted August 4, 2007 #9 Share Posted August 4, 2007 I've never tried it myself, and I don't really intend to. For those who say it works for them, most are of the opinion that you have to believe it will work for it to work. As I don't believe, I'm not goint to try. Sure, that leaves me uniformed and so on in terms of personal experience, but I'm not too worried about that. I'm half-skeptic, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjbreen Posted August 4, 2007 #10 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Sigh - Here is the a clear fact of life. It has been "sold" and is still being "sold" on some forums that the Pin (Psi) Wheel is the first level of learning TK - Now the FACTS of this is - this is not true. This does not measure TK or help you to develop TK. This is clearly proven to be the biggest scam out there. Now - all one needs to do is look at the foundation of these so called Kinesis abilties - Sci-Fi movies, Anime Cartoons and Comic Books. <-- That's the who foundation. Is it any wonder why there is no proof or evidence out there.... really think about it, why is it a surprise for some that there is no credible or valid evidence out there. Because of the foundation that it's built on -> F A N T A S I E S ....> NOT <.... Science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuppence Posted August 6, 2007 #11 Share Posted August 6, 2007 ... Here is the a clear fact of life. It has been "sold" and is still being "sold" on some forums that the Pin (Psi) Wheel is the first level of learning TK - Now the FACTS of this is - this is not true. This does not measure TK or help you to develop TK. This is clearly proven to be the biggest scam out there. ... Now - all one needs to do is look at the foundation of these so called Kinesis abilties - Sci-Fi movies, Anime Cartoons and Comic Books. <-- That's the who foundation. Is it any wonder why there is no proof or evidence out there.... really think about it, why is it a surprise for some that there is no credible or valid evidence out there. Because of the foundation that it's built on -> F A N T A S I E S ....> NOT <.... Science. Prove it doesn't exist rather than claim there's no proof that it does exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00000000000000000000000000 Posted August 6, 2007 #12 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Prove it doesn't exist rather than claim there's no proof that it does exist. Weakest argument ever. There's no way to prove something does not exist. The burden of proof is not with the skeptics. Seriously, why is that hard to understand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjbreen Posted August 7, 2007 #13 Share Posted August 7, 2007 (edited) woah. I don't think i could ever think of something that bizarre lol. the only proof of it being true that I'VE seen is the guy on Ripley's: http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE the proof of it not being real is because i can't do it I took the website and took it too asian doctor's who practice eastern medicine a while back - long before I was a member of UM. I pointed out that the device he was rolling under his hand would be able to create the needed friction and if there were herbs or oils (like Ben-gay) properties that this could explain how his hands got hot. The three doctor's that reviewed this for me - stated I was exactly right. There were herbs and oils in the cylinder. That the friction heats up the metal device and thus his hands. With out this - his hands would not show up hot on the Thermal Camera. They also stated that 'back there' 'drama is part of the practice' - they are well versed on how to be 'dramatic and mystic'. Much like the ancient wizards and such knew science and past it off to the common people as 'magic'. There is no Psi to this - except Pyschology and power of suggestion. There is another video that shows this Martial Arts being able to 'push people' with his hands without touching them. National Geographic photographers proved this the power of suggestion and expectation. Because it didn't work on them... only on the students who expected this to happen. When you see videos like this - you honestly have to take the skeptics POV and ask questions - the number one being: If Psi isn't real - how is this being done? Then seek out the answer. You will find it if you ask the right people. Next: (Tuppence @ Aug 6 2007, 03:49 PM) Prove it doesn't exist rather than claim there's no proof that it does exist. This is seriously lame and nothing short of desperation, when you know there is zero evidence to support your argument. If we used your "logic" - please note the " ". Prove the toothfairy exist - prove that Tinker Bell is real - prove that the Easterbunny is real - prove Never Never Land exists. See how can one 'prove' something doesn't exist where there is no proof what so ever of it's existance. It's like trying to prove the Tooth Fairy is real or the other afore mentioned fantasy icons. They are just that F A N T A S Y... Edited August 7, 2007 by Jjbreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Kaaru Posted February 7, 2017 #14 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) On 8/5/2007 at 4:54 AM, oso said: woah. I don't think i could ever think of something that bizarre lol. the only proof of it being true that I'VE seen is the guy on Ripley's: http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE the proof of it not being real is because i can't do it alright... the site has been removed now... LOL... since like it was 10 years ago? I was just having a research about Kinesis... That's why I'm really having a hard time searching for proof... ummm HELP? Edited February 7, 2017 by Jon_Kaaru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Kaaru Posted February 7, 2017 #15 Share Posted February 7, 2017 PLEASE HELP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Lowell Posted February 7, 2017 #16 Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Jon_Kaaru said: alright... the site has been removed now... LOL... since like it was 10 years ago? I was just having a research about Kinesis... That's why I'm really having a hard time searching for proof... ummm HELP? Hello, I am kind of curious why you have taken an interest in this subject. Is there a reason why you are searching? John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Kaaru Posted February 9, 2017 #17 Share Posted February 9, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 0:49 AM, John from Lowell said: Hello, I am kind of curious why you have taken an interest in this subject. Is there a reason why you are searching? John In our class, we are having a pair for a research, it just happen that this is the topic my partner wants. Now I'm having a hard time looking for evidence when all I can get is "removed sites" -_- ... And now I'm so curious why those sites are removed, maybe because the information is critical or maybe its just something full of idiocy... is DEEP WEB the answer??? maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted February 10, 2017 #18 Share Posted February 10, 2017 There are plenty of threads here and I am sure in other places where people claim to have been able to move objects. Typically, they employ a system in which there is little friction to allow even the slightest nudge to be visible. The testing is done with an open system in which even the heat rising from a hand can move the device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Lowell Posted February 10, 2017 #19 Share Posted February 10, 2017 23 hours ago, Jon_Kaaru said: In our class, we are having a pair for a research, it just happen that this is the topic my partner wants. Now I'm having a hard time looking for evidence when all I can get is "removed sites" -_- ... And now I'm so curious why those sites are removed, maybe because the information is critical or maybe its just something full of idiocy... is DEEP WEB the answer??? maybe not. Well then here is a link which should work. http://www.telekinesisacademy.net/forum/index.php This is not an active forum however it does have a lot of discussion on a wide range of telekinesis like topics. Perception is everything. Your partner in class has the interest and you are not the one inclined towards wanting to discover evidence. I respect that and do not wish to change your outlook on these things. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Kaaru Posted February 10, 2017 #20 Share Posted February 10, 2017 33 minutes ago, John from Lowell said: Well then here is a link which should work. http://www.telekinesisacademy.net/forum/index.php This is not an active forum however it does have a lot of discussion on a wide range of telekinesis like topics. Perception is everything. Your partner in class has the interest and you are not the one inclined towards wanting to discover evidence. I respect that and do not wish to change your outlook on these things. John Actually... about 5 months ago... I read a lot about kinesis and Time travel (John Titor)... I dont know what to believe without a strong evidence, so I let my curiosity pass... Now I'm doing this thing all over again because of research... What a small world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Kaaru Posted February 10, 2017 #21 Share Posted February 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, John from Lowell said: Well then here is a link which should work. http://www.telekinesisacademy.net/forum/index.php This is not an active forum however it does have a lot of discussion on a wide range of telekinesis like topics. Perception is everything. Your partner in class has the interest and you are not the one inclined towards wanting to discover evidence. I respect that and do not wish to change your outlook on these things. John Thank You anyway... But What are you exactly John? Have you seen or experience Kinesis? Or are you studying it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Lowell Posted February 11, 2017 #22 Share Posted February 11, 2017 22 hours ago, Jon_Kaaru said: Thank You anyway... But What are you exactly John? Have you seen or experience Kinesis? Or are you studying it Hi, I am studying mind over matter types of subjects. In my view, Kinesis is a small sub set in that area of interest. Beliefs can evolve if you allow that to happen. The strongest evidence, in my view, are personal experiences. Those go beyond intellectual reasoning. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 11, 2017 #23 Share Posted February 11, 2017 As someone who has had some interesting and weird experiences, I can tell you that it would be difficult to get this on tape. I doubt there are people who have much control over this type of thing. It tends to manifest when people are under severe stress or trauma, and it's really unpredictable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zayne Kalis Posted February 12, 2017 #24 Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 2/7/2017 at 9:26 AM, Jon_Kaaru said: alright... the site has been removed now... LOL... since like it was 10 years ago? I was just having a research about Kinesis... That's why I'm really having a hard time searching for proof... ummm HELP? If you're looking for proof on telekinesis that'll be hard to find considering how easy it is to fake it on video, and most "proof" is just people messing around trying to fool others. You could always try looking up aerokinesis (wind) though, since that's pretty damn hard to fake, considering the entire environment is affected by wind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcom Posted April 8, 2017 #25 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Geesh, what is the big deal with a little bit of practice, l can pretty much do it every time, move stuff. Well, relatively small things, like dead leaves on plants, and plastic crystals in chandeliers, etc. But l agree putting it on video is pretty useless. And l know that l am not kidding myself, since l can move one chandelier surrounded by others, which discounts wind gusts, or virtually anything else for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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