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Gatofeo

Hitler's children?

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My mother was a member of the Belgian Resistance during World War II. Because of her incarceration (twice) by the Gestapo, and the execution of her first husband who was a Belgian Resistance leader, she had a very high standing after the war.

Immediately after the war ended, Mom and others were granted access to view classified German war films. Most of these films were viewed so evidence could be collected against war criminals, particularly films shot in concentration camps.

But one film in particular held her interest and made her skin crawl.

Hitler was shown playing with twin blonde girls. Mom immediately got the impression that the girls, about a year old, looked much like Eva Braun, Hitler's longtime mistress and later wife.

Mom said the resemblance was striking and everyone who viewed the film was shaken.

Until the day she died in 1983, Mom wondered if perhaps Hitler and Eva Braun had secretly had children, twin girls to be exact.

Mom felt that the film was taken late in the war, when the German leaders knew the war was lost. For this reason, they would not have announced the birth of Hitler and Braun's children.

Also, Hitler and Braun did not marry until shortly before their mutual suicide. Having two illegitimate children would have been scandalous, especially for the creator of Nazism.

Yes, I know that German women were encouraged to have children with the ideal Aryan German, and numerous facilities were established by the Nazi state for this, but this sort of thing was not seen as acceptable among high-ranking Nazis.

Anyway ...

Could Hitler and Braun have had children? It's possible.

It would have been hushed by the allies, I believe, to avoid a resurgence of interest in Nazism. The defeated Nazis, some years later, might have been given a boost of morale by the announcement of adult daughters of Hitler and Eva.

A recent post in this website, concerning the internet report of a woman who claims to be Hitler's daughter, made me recall the above. This woman claims to have been born in 1954, created by frozen sperm from Hitler. I think this is preposterous.

However, I don't think it's preposterous that Hitler and Braun had children.

It is entirely possible. And it makes sense that such a thing would have been hushed-up for more than 60 years, if only to protect the daughters who may be totally unware of their heritage.

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Hitler had no desire to have children. He told several people that if he had children they were certain to disappoint

him as they would never match his own genius.

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Even if he had twin girls, it is likely that in the last days of the war that he would have sent someone to kill them rather then let them fall into the hands of the Soviets or Americans.

It is an interesting story however. I wonder who the girls really were.

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Are you sure the girls weren't the Goebbels's children?

And while it does sound reasonable that Hitler and Braun would have had children, there is little evidence to suggest that the couple ever slept together. I remember reading the testimony of the housekeeper at the Berghof saying that she changed his bedsheets and never saw any indication of sexual activity.

And if they did have children, I could imagine that they would act like much of the rest of Hitler's remaining relatives. Hide their names and their pasts from shame. I know I would.

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Your mother sounds like quite an extraordinary person! My family fought in Egypt against Rommel at Tobruk, and against the japanese in New Guinea. My father is also a Vietnam veteran, and was posted during the Tet offensive....

I understand the nobility that comes with family who performed great deeds.

However I think this story is being confused with a recent controversy revolving around the two Blonde Twins Lynx and Lamb, members of the pro Socialist pop group Prussian Blue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Blue_(American_duo)

I just want to point out I do NOT endorse this kind of crass offensive music.

They are quite clearly being exploited by their family, to the point that their new album is called For the Fatherland.

I don't doubt the exploits of your mother, and I pray your story is true. However like a game of chinese whispers, I think the facts have become infused over time with other stories...

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Can you imagine dating hitlers daughter? That first date where you have dinner with the family? can you imagine the awkward silence? That is an SNL skit just waiting to happen.

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Can you imagine dating hitlers daughter? That first date where you have dinner with the family? can you imagine the awkward silence? That is an SNL skit just waiting to happen.

haha

Hitler: Ve are going out toniiiiiight, ve haff booked you two tickets as well

You: ohh not the f...g opera again.

Hitler: Yah, Flight of the Valkeries!

At the dinnertable -

Hitler: So tell me, vot kind of music do you like?

You: Err well...

Hitler: Beethoven?

You: Umm no

Hitler: Mozart?

You: not really no

Hitler: Brahms then!!!

You: sorry

Hitler: Sounds like you don't like music at all

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Even if he had twin girls, it is likely that in the last days of the war that he would have sent someone to kill them rather then let them fall into the hands of the Soviets or Americans.

It is an interesting story however. I wonder who the girls really were.

I'm curious to know too. This sounds like a little research is in order.

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Why wouldent Hitler an Eva have kids, they were lovers, they were human, there would be a chance of getting pregnant, maybe the girls were raised in safety, maybe in Argentina were many Nazis went,

of course it would be secret just as many many, priests, bishops cardinals have secret love children why wouldent Hitler unless that rumour about him only having one ball is true and hinders the process,

other than that id say yeah its a possiblity he had kids, after all the rumour was he wanted a master race, so why not use the fruit of his own loins to pass on his greatness.

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I'd be willing to bet there is a simple explanation.

Mengele and Hitler both were completely fascinated by twins. That's a well known fact.

My guess is that they were an associates children. A secretary, or another less known officer in the SS. It would be natural for Eva to have filmed Hitler playing (if you call it that) with someone elses children. Especially given the fact that he was really interested in twins in particular. Eva was also known to have been the person who did most of the candid filming of Hitler, she was obsessed with her movie camera.

There's so much candid film of Braun and Hitler that Eva and Hilter took of each other, that it would be likely that film of her would have turned up showing her to be enormously pregnant if she ever had children. I don't think there's a lull in any of the films of her, certainly not a 9 month lull. With twins, she would have been almost incapacitated in her final months. I don't think she's ever shown up on film as anything but trim, slim, and lithe.

I honestly don't think she and Adolf ever consumated their relationship.

Edited by MissMelsWell

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This could be the case, but I tend to lean towards it not being true. There have been years of speculation about Hitler's sexual persuasion, inadequacies, fears, fetishes etc. Some of them have admittedly been falsified as propoganda, but there is a possibility to some truth in these allegations. However I wouldnt be surprised if he had secretly fathered children but I would agree with the above poster who stated that they would have been executed instead of being allowed to fall into enemy hands.

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My mother died in 1983 of cancer. She survived the Nazis for five years, including two incarcerations by the Gestapo, but a wayward immune system did her in.

So, there could not possibly be any confusion between the twin girls and those recently in the news.

I don't know if Hitler and Braun had children. I'm merely relating what my mother told me. As a highly esteemed member of the Belgian Resistance after the war, she had access to files and information not commonly seen.

Mom said that the hair on her neck stood up when she saw those twin girls in the film, and others around her later agreed that Hitler's attention to the girls seemed extraordinarily close. The others members of the Resistance who watched the film with her also got the "willies."

Perhaps it was simply mass willie-ism.

I posted this conjecture because I was reminded of Mom's comments by someone else's post concerning the possibility of Hitler's children.

I doubt the truth will ever be known or resolved.

Perhaps Hitler, if he had children, had them executed rather than live in a world without Nazism.

Who knows?

It's an interesting topic, however. And I felt that my mother's experience warranted a "what if?" posting.

Yes, she was a remarkable woman.

Her first husband, a Belgian Resistance leader, was captured by the Germans and thrown into the notorious Breendonk torture camp, south of Brussels, Belgium. Pierre endured that hellish place for more than a year. Two weeks before D-Day, he was shipped to Frankfurt, Germany and executed by firing squad.

Pierre is buried in an old cemetery in downtown Brussels, that has a special section set aside for heroes of the Belgian Resistance.

Mom met my father, an American G.I., when she was a 26-year-old widow. She came to America in 1947, without speaking a word of English, and had a good life with my father, despite a nine-year battle with cancer. Dad died in 1998 from a (blessedly) quick heart attack.

They are buried together in Spokane, Washington.

She, Pierre and Dad are at peace now.

I'll bet there was one heck of a reunion when Dad crossed over and found Mom and Pierre waiting for him.

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I think it's possible that Hitler and Eva had children, but personally I find it unlikely that they consumated their relationship.

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If thier is a blood line, and you found out that your Hitler's offspring, would you seriously want to admit that?

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It's an interesting idea, but I don't think anything more than an idea. Or perhaps a fear of your mother's. Imagine just having been through five years of hell like that and then seeing Hitler on tape playing with two little blond angels, at peace and perhaps even laughing with them. It would not be odd for people to subconsciously think what would happen if such a madman had children, what would happen if the Third Reich would have new leaders in such a form? This probably snowballed into your mother thinking he might really have had children.

I think there's too much circumstancial evidence against Hitler having fathered any children. First of all, it's very likely he never consummated the relationship with Eva Braun. Secondly, he disliked the idea of having any children. Thirdly, as someone else has pointed out, there's a whole lot of footage of Braun and Hitler. Private footage. Should she have been pregnant there would've been a lot of material on it. And nothing has ever surfaced.

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If thier is a blood line, and you found out that your Hitler's offspring, would you seriously want to admit that?

:no:

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Gatofeo, thanks for sharing a little of your Mothers experiences, very, very interesting!

I'd be willing to bet there is a simple explanation.

Mengele and Hitler both were completely fascinated by twins. That's a well known fact.

My guess is that they were an associates children. A secretary, or another less known officer in the SS. It would be natural for Eva to have filmed Hitler playing (if you call it that) with someone elses children. Especially given the fact that he was really interested in twins in particular. Eva was also known to have been the person who did most of the candid filming of Hitler, she was obsessed with her movie camera.

I tend to agree with this. Also that the twins were blonde haired, more than likely blue eyed, emphasising the 'perfect family/race' etc etc.

Edited by Lottie

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Of course, there's also a good fictional story written about Hitlers and Mengele's fascination with twins, cloning and children.... Ira Levin wrote "The Boys From Brazil" which is based on the cloning of Hitler by Mengele in Brazil after WWII. Great story, well worth the read (the movie wasn't all that great, skip it and read the book). It is of course completely fictional, but fun none-the-less since it sort of, in a strange way, explores the idea of Hitlers genetics.

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. First of all, it's very likely he never consummated the relationship with Eva Braun.

Why would it be very likely he never consumated the realtionship.

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Why would it be very likely he never consumated the realtionship.

I don't claim to be an expert, but I have read a few things about this. Many WWII scholars believe that they never consummated their relationship. Hitler's housekeeper at the Berhof can attest to that fact, too. And if I remember correctly, they even had different rooms. Much has been written on thier relationship and even Hitler's relationships with women in general.

From a biological perspective, it would be very reasonable to think that two people in love would have sex. But taking into account Hitler's personality and the testament of those around him.... a whole new picture develops. It is highly unlikely that Hitler and Braun ever consummated their relationship.

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I honestly believe that if Ava Braun was pregnant at any time that we'd know about it. There are many people still alive who were in the bunker the day they died who are speaking out about what happened back then, I think someone would have spilled the beans by now.

I've seen a programme where Martin Boorman's son talks about his time with Hitler, he says Hitler was well know to have adored children and to have been very good to them - German ones obviously, not the many thousands he sent to the gas chamber or starved or got shot.

I think the children on the film could well have been Goebels children - they had about 5 daughters very close in age, who Goebels and his wife murdered just before they killed themselves. Those poor children, it's heartbreaking.

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no offense, but how could your mother say the children looked braune if they were one year old? watch maury and see how many times the audience goes "youre the father!" when they put the babys face on the screen, only to have them all eat their words two seconds later. i dont think thats enough to base this off of. all babies look like someone if you have an idea.

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B) Is it possible that these girls could have even been nieces of Eva's? There is a book at the Schertz library about Eva Braun and she did have sisters

and I think they did visit her at Berchsgarten.They also could have been children of Bormann or Goebels.What photos of her and movies I have seen she is fairlylean.As one poster said,surely if she had been pregnant there should have been some photographic evidence of this..

I wonder what rumors were going on at that time about Hitler.Ones that didn't circulate amongst the general public,but more amongst the staff who worked closely with him and the military.I say this because my father's cousin was Generaloberst Carl Hilpert,commander of Army Group Kurland,who later died in 1948 in a soviet prisioner of war camp.

I would imagine that he must have heard through the grapevine various rumors and inuendos about Adolf. Surely if the general staff in the Wermacht were aware Hitler had kids,some of these generals in their memoirs would mention the fact.

Of course your mother and the others were horrified>Just the thought of it is enough to send anyone's head in a whirl.

And thanks for sharing her story,she was an extrodinary lady.

Hitler had a nephew,William Hitler,the son of his half brother,Alois Hitler who was older. William maybe dead now,but he did have children and his sons live in the US under a different name,just to try to lead normal lives,and not be harrassed by individuals and media types. Being related to Hitler is something very few people would admit to.

Too bad they couldn't take and dig up Johann Georg Heidler,also spelt Hitler the supposed grandfather of Adolf and try to match his DNA with that of Hitler'

skull,which I think Moscow has a part of, and see if there is a match.This might answer the final question of who Hitler's grandfather was.So many rumors have swirled around for so long,it would be nice to put them to rest.

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Didn't one of Hitlers Nephews live in Liverpool, England for a while as well?

Edited by Regency

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Gatofeo,

Your mum's story is amazing.

Cheers

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