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The Fifth Dimension

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^_^ Just randomly came across this idea..site... It certainly is worth looking into....

http://www.pyroenergen.com/fifth-dimension.htm

Three dimensions, as most people understand: they are width, height, and depth.

However, I understand that there must be a fourth dimension, which is time, as in three-dimensional objects moving through time.

Many scientists have thought for years that 5th dimensions exist beyond our perception but assumed they were so far out of reach that further investigation would be futile.

I understand that world diseases are probably caused by the 5th dimensional object which I stated in the website as the paranormal wave. Physicists are trying to come up with ways to gather evidence to backup or disprove the extra dimensional theories which are currently in vogue. Finally, a scientist in the US came out to prove its existence with a complete formulation, and there is no scientist in the world who denies or argue with her and her formulation.

http://www.pyroenergen.com/causes.htm

Thousands of medicines and medical devices had been invented to combat world diseases. In addition, there are remarkable remedies and cure for bacterial diseases, and yet, treatment for those affected by viruses, cancer, and diseases of unknown cause remains uncertain. It's because no one has truly discovered the origin of viral and incurable diseases. In other words, medical scholars failed to define the origin of viruses. Is it not the reason that they cannot stipulate the definite cure for them?

They believe that virus is the cause of diseases. They believe that the origin of incurable diseases is virus. They believe that viruses are responsible for the disease. But where do these viruses come from?

Here, they have to understand why and how protein and nucleic acid in the body forms as viruses. If a virus is composed of protein and nucleic acid, what kind of force (energy) is working in a particular person (victim) that creates virus? Let us see our palms. Some patients who suffer from incurable diseases bear deformed or uneven palms which support the claim that an unknown property is surrounding the body.

Truly, when a certain force of energy surrounds the body, it expands and the energy might work as the creator of virus.

Look at the patients suffering from leukemia or cancer due to overexposure to radiations such as X-rays, radioisotope, and nuclear radiation. They are victims of such radiation energy that creates viruses in the body. Therefore, from this evident statement, it is much understandable that virus is just a byproduct of mysterious energy from outside the body.

Illnesses caused by overexposure to X-rays, radioisotope and nuclear radiations are due to side effects from human error.

Now, at least, the origin of viruses can be explained more simply. Certain energy like radioactive property is penetrating the victims. Once such energy enters the body, the body expands, and sometimes you can possibly observe the expansion through your fingers and palms.

What will happen if this strange energy enters the body? The strange energy wave has a shortwave status similar to that of an ionospheric wave in the sky. It has similar characteristic to a radioisotope or nuclear radiation. Since this force of energy wave is more related to that of ionosphere, it is more active at night and weak during daytime due to sunlight. This is the reason why some diseases attack severely during night time. On this website, we'll call this particular wave as paranormal wave.

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http://www.redicecreations.com/specialrepo...hdimension.html

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An animated image shows a collision between two subatomic particles embedded in our 3-D universe (or "brane"). The collision produces other particles, including a graviton that escapes from our brane into the extradimensional "bulk" that lies beyond.

The cosmos would make perfect sense … if it turns out we're living in a 10- or 11-dimensional realm where gravity is bubbling off a different plane entirely. At least that's what's emerging as the hottest concept on the frontier of physics.

Though these sound like virtually unverifiable claims, physicists are trying to come up with ways to gather evidence to back up or disprove the extradimensional theories currently in vogue. But it’ll take several years to get that evidence, if it can be gotten at all.

The claim that the cosmos has more than the four dimensions we can perceive — that is, three spatial dimensions plus time — is exotic enough. But the quest to prove that claim brings in a virtual menagerie of mysteries: mini-black holes and dark matter, gravitational waves and cosmic inflation, super-high-energy particle collisions and ultra-powerful gamma-ray bursts.

Even the physicists behind today's most-talked-about extradimensional theory, Harvard University's Lisa Randall and Johns Hopkins University's Raman Sundrum, aren't yet exactly sure whether the approaches will pay off.

"Nothing comes with a money-back guarantee," Sundrum told MSNBC.com.

So why bother? Physicists aren't just spinning out these tales of 11 dimensions for the amusement of science-fiction writers. Rather, unseen dimensions seem to offer the best hope for solving the kinds of problems that have frustrated theorists since Albert Einstein's day.

B)

I suppose it explains the effectiveness of magnets for healing... it blocks negative energy waves...allows the body to harmonize itself.. a necessity in effecient.. effective healing..restoration....

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http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro15.htm

The Universe is basically 5 dimensions, and is unknown except to a select few of mankind! You are familiar with the first three axis of ordinary space, x, y, and z. The fourth is time. We have to setup a defined three-dimensional box, with defined distances, to explain the fifth dimension. The time progression, forward or reverse of matter and energy within the box is the fourth dimension. The fifth dimension involves vibrational frequency. This frequency is super imposed on matter and energy at the sub atomic level. This would be called its resonant frequency. The fifth dimension has many different levels. In these infinite levels, matter and energy exists in a natural state. What mankind does not know is that matter and energy, and that which is the essence of life, exists at different vibrational frequencies. Each vibrational level is independent from each other, but occupy the same space. Atoms of different frequencies do not mix; they simply slide past each other. To get a clearer picture, lets put part of the Universe in a finite 3 dimensional box, and observe what you would see, and what laws would apply. We would start at the base vibrational frequency for matter and energy. This would be our Universe and laws, represented by the name density level 3. Now a new formula and concept has to be introduced to help you understand. Density Constant = [Time (measured in progression)] * [speed of Light ©]. Mankind is familiar with the density constant by another name, the cosmological constant. For all levels in the fifth dimension, the density constant is the same, but T and C vary in proportion. Meanwhile to an observer in any confined level in the fifth dimension, light will travel its new rate of speed per standard unit of time. Once outside the levels, variations occur in relation to each other. The progression of time is transparent to you, because you have no anchor points or comparisons. Now, lets increase the vibrational frequency governing some of the mass and energy until it completely transposes up to the next level of existence, density level 4. For an example, let heat equal the vibrational frequency of the atomic structure, and water molecules at 20 degrees F. equal mass and energy. Increase the heat, and some of the water molecules move from a solid to a liquid at a particular point, approximately 32 degrees F. The water molecules are still the same, but in a different form. The higher energy levels consist of lower mass density levels, and new laws of motion. Ice and liquid water can be in the same area, but the molecules do not mix. They slide past each other, creating an environment independent from each other. Also vibrational rates just like temperature can vary and still stay at a confined density level. Now the matter and energy in the box at density level 3 is still there, but you can’t see or interact with matter and energy at density level 4. At density level 4 a new Universe appears, less dense in the number of stars, and in the density of matter itself. What else has changed? Some stars will be in the same positions, but the luminosity may be different. There are stars in new locations, but quite are few missing. In fourth density, the density of the Universe is less in comparison to third, our level. Mankind thought that light is a constant, but in fourth density light has a velocity approximately 17 times faster than in third density. Time is progressively slower in fourth density than in third, but to an entity in third density it seems the same. When the frequency is moved density level 5 the velocity of light is squared from the speed in level 4. Time slows down in proportion. When light leaves a star in the Zeta Reticuli system, which is 38 light years away. It takes approximately 1.6 months for light to arrive at Earth in fifth density. All next levels repeat. What controls this? There is a subatomic particle, which is not known to most of mankind. This subatomic particle controls the resonant frequency of the atomic structure, where matter and energy exists. The more the subatomic particle increases in proportion to the affected mass, the resultant frequency becomes higher. Higher dimensions are created at certain frequency break points. Each level is a Quantum leap for differentials in time and the speed of light. You are now pondering to yourself, what does all this mean? Some potential applications are, traveling faster than the speed of light, making it possible to have surgery without breaking the skin, and the ability to transport matter to different locations instantly. The ability to pass through solid matter in 3rd density when in a transition phase move to or from 4th density, and the ability to manipulate the flow of time are some of the benefits for density shifting.

^_^;):lol: Wow!!!!!!!!

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http://www.consult-iidc.com/english/scienc...sprinciples.htm

As duality is part the of process of human perception, 9 tenets guide subjective perceivers in their quest to become more aware:

* Tenet A- Individuals are limited by the very process of perception: Individuals perceive «I-not-I » duality even if Universe is indeed a unified field of Light, a Oneness;

* Tenet B- When one side of a duality is perceived, the other side comes into existence simultaneously, as its related twin;

* Tenet C- When one side of a duality is eliminated, its related twin is eliminated simultaneously;

* Tenet D- Acting on an object simultaneously influences its related twin no matter how far apart they are; this is called quantum action-at-a-distance and it reveals that life is indeed linked via hyperspace, and that existence is not - nor can it be - limited in space-time;

* Tenet E- Individual consciousness assembles specific objects in space and time by perceiving them; quantum mechanics reveals that an object responds as both particles of matter and waves of Light (not either/or… both). Every object - as a wave of light - extends into hyperspace and reaches infinity; every object is therefore part of a magickal universe, and is interchangeable with any other object;

* Tenet F- An object cannot be said to exist until it is observed as a specific form, i.e. collapsing as a Lightwave into a limiting space;

* Tenet G- An object can occupy more than one space at the same time because its Lightwave function is formless and interdimensional;

* Tenet H- Quantum objects can cease to exist in one dimension in space-time and instantly and simultaneously appear in another by collapsing through hyperspace; this « paradigm-shift » provokes the perception of Pure Light, and reveals the Creating Intent of universe.

:lol: Don't know where this fits in yet!!!

http://www.consult-iidc.com/english/scienc...lveofus.htm#One

The « ONE » creative consciousness divides into 12 kinds of awareness, and is concerned with 12 kinds of need. For sorcerers, Astrology then explained how to actualize human need.

The 1st house is I AM, the house concerned with SELF-AWARENESS.

The 2nd house is I HAVE, the house of INVENTORY AND MATERIAL POSSESSION

The 3rd house is I THINK, the house of INTELLECT, DETERMINATION AND COMMUNICATION

The 4th house is I FEEL, the house of EGO, HOME AND PERSONAL HISTORY

The 5th house is I WILL, the house of CREATIVITY, SEX AND JOY.

The 6th house is I DISCERN, the house of HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICE.

The 7th house is I UNITE, the house of ALLIANCE AND PARTNERSHIP.

The 8th house is I DESIRE, the house of DEATH AND RE-BIRTH.

The 9th house is I SEARCH, the house of INNER AND OUTER EXPLORATION.

The 10th house is I USE, the house of CAREER AND POSITION.

The 11th house is I KNOW, the house of FRIENDS, HOPES AND DREAMS.

The 12th house is I UNDERSTAND, the house of SECRETS, LIES AND CHAOS.

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http://universal-healing.net/univhl.html

So just to clarify, the Star systems activate our chemical coding, the magnetics of the orbiting planets provide us with the dynamic magnetic fluxes which unlock our biological time clocks, but it is through the axiatonal lines that operate in several different dimensions and carry numerous frequency vibrations and which are not part of the biological body which carry information in the form of frequency & light, [programming] from the overself. The overself is the "blueprint" of the human. The axiatonal lines may be independant of the overself, but humanity require the governing functions of a higher evolution in order to survive. Without the overself we are only able to relate to a 3D consciousness or reality [Keys of Enoch 3-1-7.10]

Having this new universal connection to the axiatonal lines are necessary for humanities evolution.

If humanity does not receive this higher programming, then our biological systems must eventually go back into the magnetic flux fields [Keys of Enoch 3-1-7.9]

http://quantumpowerchip.com/hlg.aspx

The "Universal connection" joins us to the universal grid system once again by attaching new axiatonal lines which extend out past the acupuncture lines.

Below, roughly drawn in red, are just some of the new axiatonal lines that are drawn above the body in "The Universal connection" notice how they pick up end points of the acupuncture meridians and important nodal points.

The new axiatonal lines act like a link or in computer terms a chip which brings about an upgrade.

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The Universal Connection of these axiatonal lines enables us to receive new frequencies that allow for healing and the evolution of our bodies and souls in the new age. For the first time in thousands of years we can achieve self healing through frequency activation, of sound and heat.

The axiatonal lines form part of a fifth dimension enclosed circulatory system that draws on basic energy of coloured light and sound for the renewal functions of the human body. [see the keys of Enoch 3-1-7.29]

Each axis has its own colour and tone vibration. The axiatonal lines can be used for the complete regeneration of an organ or even to resurrect the dead [see the keys of Enoch 3-1-7.32] this can happen when the human grid system is aligned with the magnetic grid and by using aligned crystals to transpose the ultrasonic pulses

The Universal connection is the new link which joins the acupuncture lines to the universal grid lines, allowing for the frequencies of light & information to be received. The new frequencies allow our DNA strands to regenerate into their original design and be connected through time and space by “strings” to all there is.

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B) It reminds me of this picture...

superimpose the above image of a person's activated meridian points...lines with the tree of life diagram....

http://www.libralion.com/tree1.htm

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:tsu:

we may be on to something then....

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Then the ancient knowledge of Kemetic Wisdom ... energies... how they effect life... our emotions...

Shamanism...

http://www.tehutionline.com/

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13494

http://www.kindredofshiendra.org/havla.htm

The Ancient Art of HaVla

HaVla is an ancient Kemetic (Pre-Egyptian) art for gathering, dispersing, moving and directing Shakti Energy. The word HaVla literally translates to mean Activation through Vibrational Metamorphosis. Shakti, or in the Kemetic vernacular, “SaaKaTi” is unshaped, raw Universal energy. HaVla is the oldest recorded, most ancient system of movements and positions for the manipulation of energy and is believed to be the origin of all other martial arts. Depictions of HaVla in all of its applications can be found in several ancient tombs, temples and papyri throughout Egypt and Nubia (Kush).

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all matter is energy... is directed by energy

http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/matter/index.html

http://bioweb.wku.edu/courses/Biol280/280mat.HTML

Consciousness is light..

Light has consciousness

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/prussell.htm

http://www.peterrussell.com/SG/Ch6.php

http://www.williamjames.com/Theory/REFLEXIV.htm

The first kingdom, which Young refers to as light (or action), and the seventh kingdom, of which humanity is a part, theoretically possess complete asymmetry and complete freedom. A photon released at a certain point could be anywhere within a radius of 186,000 miles a second later. Furthermore, since observation annihilates a photon, it cannot be predicted. Although light has no rest mass, when it is annihilated it can create electrons and protons which do have mass. It has no charge, yet the particles it creates do. In fact, for a pulse of light, time does not exist. Clocks stop at the speed of light. Thus mass, energy, and time are born when the photon condenses into a particle. This is the first step in the process that engenders the universe.

Young regards action as the primary constituent of the universe, and other measures such as force (including gravity), energy and even time as derived parts of a whole which manifests as action. He also introduces the notion of purpose or intention into his scheme. The principle of least action is that light always follows the precise path that gets it to its destination in the shortest possible time. Planck himself observed that this principle expresses, "an explicitly teleological character."

Thus the photons which constitute a ray of light behave like intelligent human beings: Out of all the possible curves they always select the one which will take them most quickly to their goal.

Leibnitz, who discovered this principle, believed himself to have found evidence for an ubiquitous higher reason ruling all of nature. This characterization of light is the one exception to the excluion of purpose from science. Purpose, associated with the quantum of action, becomes the keynote of Arthur Young's theory. He draws on a rich, although often discarded, tradition in science and philosophy.

...as Whitehead pointed out in his Function of Reason: "Scientists, animated by the purpose of proving they are purposeless, constitute an interesting subject for study."

Young points out that 2ph is the quantum of uncertainty. Thus we have a fundamental relationship between purpose and uncertainty, confirmed by the fact that h contains an angle, 2p, which according to Eddington (the physicist from whom Young derives the greatest inspiration), is a phase dimension. For Young, the 2p represents choice. Uncertainty then is not so much a limitation upon science as the positive introduction of purpose and choice and therefore free will.

Essentially then, a light pulse is a piece of uncertainty, and it is possible to account for the chain of effects that it can produce. If it is of a high frequency, it can become a nuclear particle, a proton, or an electron. Some uncertainty will become mass (or certainty). Another step combines nuclear particles into atoms with a further loss of uncertainty, followed by still more at the molecular stage. Nevertheless there still remains enough uncertainty and choice of timing (phase dimension 2p) in certain large molecules, within narrow temperature ranges, to extract energy from the environment and build organizations that emerge as life.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopr...esi_b_6164.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=jHKSl-LEd...uSkObqyxUB1gAq4

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What is consciousness...???

what is it fueled by????

Where did it come from???

Energy.. light..??

Matter is vibrational energy... light????

http://www.spiritportal.org/alchemy.html

Energy

All that exists within the entire created universe is composed of energy: electromagnetic energy, thermal chemical energy, potential gravitational energy, solar photonic energy, sub-atomic nuclear energy, psychic mental emotional vibrational energy.... We live in an ocean of energy: we breathe energy, smell energy, taste energy, see energy, touch energy and think energy. Energy - in one form or another - permeates every one and every thing (whether we are aware of it or not). This energy is incorporated and processed within our beings at every moment of our lives. The law of physics states that “energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transmuted from one form to another”. Within the human being, this process of “shifting” ones energies, emotions, vibrations and consciousness from one state to another is called “Alchemy”.

http://www.news.uiuc.edu/news/04/0923dlott.html

“The movement of vibrational energy within and between molecules is a fundamental process that plays a significant role in condensed matter physics and chemistry,” Dlott said. “In designing nanoscale devices, the shapes of the molecules must be designed not only to be small and fast, but also to efficiently move heat.”

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http://www.hwt-hrw.com/Ma'at.php

At the very deepest levels of our current scientific understanding of material reality lays the quark (Hazen 1991.124). This is the most minute particle science has been able to detect. These appear to be pure energy, at once acting both as solid particles and as waves of power (Hazen 1991.69-71). Journalist George Leonard makes an interesting observation about these:

"[scientists] are looking for quarks, strange subatomic entities, having qualities which they describe with such words as up-ness, down-ness, charm, strangeness, truth, beauty, color, and flavor. But no matter. If we could get close enough to these wondrous quarks, they too would melt away. They too would have to give up all pretense of solidity. Even their speed and position would be unclear, leaving them only relationship and pattern of vibration. Of what is the body made? It is made of emptiness and rhythm. At the ultimate heart of the body, at the heart of the world, there is no solidity. Once again, there is only the dance" (Leonard 1978.34).

"You move in Ma'at, you live in Ma'at. She fills your body, she rests in your head, she makes her seat upon your brow; the breath of your body is of Ma'at, your heart does live in Ma'at. All that you eat, all that you drink, all that you breathe is of Ma'at." Clearly Ma'at is the underlying force that regulates all that is. One may also deduce from the text that Ma'at is the force that connects all that is to each other. She is the ‘truth' that is the core and essence of existence; Ma'at literally becomes "she who guides" (Roberts 1995. 33).

Returning to our earlier discussion on the rhythms that make up existence, research in quantum physics has found that there is a definite connection between the observer in an experiment and the subatomic particles being observed (Talbot 1991.35). "To observe precisely the position or momentum of an electron is to change its position or momentum," reports George Leonard. The implications of this fact are enormous. For this indicates a connection between one's consciousness and the environment around us.

The classic Hermetic work "The Kybalion" states: "the Universe is mental - held in the mind of the All." This work goes on to explain that "the All is spirit . . . the highest conception of Infinite Living Mind" (Three Initiates 65). In Ancient Egyptian religion Ma'at and Djehuty (Greek: Thoth) represent thought and consciousness. Lucie Lamy explains that Ma'at is "consciousness itself, and also the individual consciousness that each person carries in his heart, for she is both the motivating force and the goal of life" (Lamy 1981.17). The Universe is alive; a living spiritual consciousness that we all partake of and, ultimately, influence. Ma'at is the primary essence, the agency or ‘truth', that makes this possible. For without Ma'at there would be no order, no truth; as such there would be no ‘connection' and thus no Universe as we understand it.

Ma'at... is Light... Light is/has consciousness???

"Action is remembering, inaction forgetting. The inactive loses sight of yesterday and the claims it has on today. In this connection, ma'at figures as the proper order of action in the dimension of time, a process kept in motion by the presence of yesterday in today. Ma'at guarantees that what was valid yesterday will hold good today, that a person will stand by what he said and did yesterday, that he will respond to what others have said and done. Ma'at is, thus, a consistency of action beyond the limits of the day, a form of active remembrance that provides the basis of trust and successful accomplishment." (Assmann 2002.129)

Is Ma'at too seen as the energy that hold's the 'Akashic Records'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_Records

http://www.edgarcayce.org/about_ec/cayce_on/akashic/

Cosmic or collective consciousness.

... Karma... the storer of all knowledge???

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http://www.bion.si/InbionikaE.htm

Interesting how information...energy gets stored in water...and we are mainly 'of water'...

http://www.bion.si/InbionikaE.htm

Increasingly the researches in homeopathy and the related fields reveal the reality of the phenomena of information processing in water and electromagnetic fields. Many researches on a wide international scale are going on. But as yet there is no generally accepted hypothesis of the water memory though there is an interesting an challenging hypothesis stemming from the quantum field theory. It seems that the water memory is based on coherent endogenous EM oscillations in water. However, it seems that the phenomena of this kind do not limit themselves solely on water and chemical substances where they were observed for the first time. Therefore we need a new science whose research field would cover the before mentioned phenomena and would be an enlargement of the present scientific fields of homeopathy and digital biology . We called this new field of science and technology information bioelectromagnetics , combining information, biology and technology. In this new field we are studying how to capture, store, transmit and reproduce (express) molecular or biological (physiological information). Of course, there are many possible scientific approaches to the before exposed research problems, so the field needs many scientific groups and areas (directions).

Basic state of art

It is known from physics and chemistry that substances have specific absorption and electromagnetic emission spectra. They may also have characteristic phonon vibrations. However, according to contemporary academic physics, no kind of vibration, be it electromagnetic or sound, can be stored in a water medium for even a very short time. Yet the phenomenon of homeopathy and digital biology and their serious scientific research demonstrate that at least some specific molecular vibration structures may be stored in water for a very long time indeed. Among open-minded scientists there are several hypothesis as to how molecular structures or their presumed field patterns can be stored in water (the phenomenon of water memory). Not one of them explains the phenomenon fully.

Some recent findings further corroborate the hypothesis of water memory.

http://www.energizewater.com/index_files/power2.htm

"Having studied the relationship between the brain, cells and

emotions," he told Joseph Duggan in Vancouver, "I came to

realize that certain trace elements were needed to send

information from one area of the brain to another." Minerals

alone could not convey information. To find out if the carrier

was water itself, Dr. Schweitzer experimented. French

scientist Jacques Benveniste had already shed light on the

memory of water in homeopathy. He and a dozen other scientists

demonstrated that water can retain a memory of molecules it

once contained. Nature magazine in 1988 published their

experiments showing that if water containing antibodies was

diluted repeatedly until it no longer contained a single

molecule of antibody, immune cells still respond to the water.

The publication drew outrage from orthodox professors, and the

magazine later sent a team to Benveniste's laboratory

including the magician James Randi and Walter Stewart, a

self-appointed investigator of scientific fraud. The team

judged the French scientists' results to be a "delusion."

However, a recent book by Michel Schiff says the slander of

Benveniste was the delusion.

Dr. Schweitzer says, aspects of the homeopathic research

couldn't be measured by the investigators' instruments. The

witch hunt in France didn't stop him from radical thinking. He

remembered Albert Einstein's idea that particulate "light

bodies" act in ways we don't yet understand. Waking up one

morning with insight on how to make these bodies visible,

Schweitzer began working on a fluorescent microscope at a

certain light intensity. He wanted to see somatids change in

response to thought and other influences. Just before the

water on the microscope slides evaporated, he saw certain

formations develop "dependent on the thoughts or energy

atmosphere it had been impregnated with. I observed that this

cluster could be modified at will." Further work showed that

microscopic light bodies in the water intensify in the

presence of positive thoughts. They shine brightly if thoughts

are backed up by emotion, and it makes a big difference

whether the emotions are negative or positive.

Intrigued by the tiny light-bodies, he tested holy waters of

religious faiths, from Italy, Russia, Yugoslavia and North

America and saw somatids floating even after years of being

bottled on shelves. "This means there is an ideal balance when

somatids never touch each other, which gives them the

greatest capacity to store information.

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Another scientist at that meeting, Dr. Glen Rein, points out,

that physicists know about the existence of energy fields with

properties, which are not explained by classical equations. He

refers to the non-classical fields as quantum fields. Rein's

work again shows that this non-electromagnetic

energy information from the primordial vacuum of space can be

stored in water and can later communicate with living cells.

Perhaps Viktor Schauberger's most startling observation was

that subtle qualities of water can affect humans mentally and

spiritually, either revitalization or deterioration of

society. Dr. Thomas Narvaez has proven to his own satisfaction

that a vitality factor exists and can be increased or

decreased in water by human activity. "We now see that our

thoughts not only affect our own bodies, but also the bodies

of those around us. Members of this group (speaking to the

Institute of Advanced Water Sciences, in 1996) who bottled

water or who worked with broadcasted energies like crystals or

magnets therefore have a responsibility to keep our view of

the world upbeat and positive."

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....It really would have been better just to post a bunch of links to the sites, instead of posting all of this info.

12 posts in a row.....wow... it does seem interesting though, I only read the first post though.

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^_^ It's the way I work... kind of a journey at exploring an idea... the validity of an idea....

As I believe that all things are connected in some way.... I go back through all the obscure..or potentially validating bits of information that I have come across... have read... that may perhaps add pieces to the puzzle... support the idea... or add to the reflection of it...

So I gather accepted or questioned knowledge ... ideas.. and see how they apply to the understanding of a concept...

In this case ... it could help science validate how reality is or isn't formed...

Why Shamans feel the need to travel interdimensionally... ( to dream time..connect on a meditation..visualizational level of the mind..to bring about healing.).. how illness was seen as a type of possession of energies...

How exorcisms work... how negative energy areas... haunted areas... can make you ill...

How thoughts... beliefs...vodooism.. works...

These all appear to operate on a quantum..or other dimensional level..

perhaps proof that other dimensions exist.... that they can/do affect us on our level of reality....

Spirituality..Mysticism..spells...intent...visualization ... religion... prayer...are all keys to other dimensions...work on the premise of connecting to other dimensions...

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http://easternhealingarts.com/Articles/shamanism.html

The main distinguishing characteristic of a shaman used by Mircea Eliade and anthropologists who study this phenomenon worldwide is that he or she is someone who enters an altered state of consciousness (ecstasy) usually produced by a monotonous drumming or other percussion sound, in order to make journeys for various reasons into what are technically called the Lower and Upper worlds. These other worlds are considered alternate realities, and the shamans purpose for entering other realities is to interact with the spirits, often "seen" as power animals, in order to help other people.

The shaman is a magician, medicine man, pyschopomp, mystic and may even be a priest or poet. There are medicine men and women, priests and mystics who are not technically considered shamans unless they can journey to the Lower and Upper worlds.

http://obebibliography.info/

Usually, an OBE occurs spontaneously and unexpectedly, though a few have been able to induce the state deliberately. The most commonly known practitioners of deliberate OBE are shamans and mystics of virtually all cultures worldwide. Spontaneous OBE is normal and occurs commonly in every population, but because of its extraordinary nature, it is not commonly recognized for what it is. Experiencers usually believe it is a vivid dream. Psychiatrists have established that is not a mental disorder, such as depersonalization, autoscopy (or phenomenon of the double or doppelganger), dissociation (multiple personality disorder), psychogenic amnesia, or psychogenic fugue.

Near-death experience (NDE) is a major type of OBE. NDE is usually induced by serious trauma, and has a distinctive phenomenology (subjective description). Of all that has been published on OBE, the NDE literature contains some of the most personally significant and transformative experience. Like any perceptions, NDEs are subject to various interpretations, and ordinary OBE provides a broader context for their interpretation.

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all of this is complete bull. viruses and cancer are not caused by "strange energy" entering the body. viral illnesses are caused by viruses! the article that the OP posted seemed to claim that we do not have treatments for viruses and cancer we do! we cannot cure viral illnesses completely because anti-viral drugs only prevent a virus from infecting a cell they do not destroy the virus, that job is left to the immune system. cancer cannot be easily treated because the cancer cells are part of the patient's body and their immune system won't attack the cells and treatments that effect the cancer cells often effect other parts of the body, hence the side effects of chemotherapy.

Look at the patients suffering from leukemia or cancer due to overexposure to radiations such as X-rays, radioisotope, and nuclear radiation. They are victims of such radiation energy that creates viruses in the body

this statements says that radiation creates viruses which then cause cancer. this is NOT true. will viruses can cause cancer and radiation causes cancer the above quote is false. viruses come from the environment. cancer comes from mutations in DNA that prevent cancerous cells from undergoing apoptosis.

Now, at least, the origin of viruses can be explained more simply. Certain energy like radioactive property is penetrating the victims. Once such energy enters the body, the body expands, and sometimes you can possibly observe the expansion through your fingers and palms.

nonsense, i'll bet that the author of this also believes that this is what causes lymph nodes to swell when you're sick.

What will happen if this strange energy enters the body? The strange energy wave has a shortwave status similar to that of an ionospheric wave in the sky. It has similar characteristic to a radioisotope or nuclear radiation. Since this force of energy wave is more related to that of ionosphere, it is more active at night and weak during daytime due to sunlight. This is the reason why some diseases attack severely during night time. On this website, we'll call this particular wave as paranormal wave.

this is just a bunch of new age mumbo jumbo.

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this statements says that radiation creates viruses which then cause cancer. this is NOT true. will viruses can cause cancer and radiation causes cancer the above quote is false. viruses come from the environment. cancer comes from mutations in DNA that prevent cancerous cells from undergoing apoptosis.

I just want to point out that there is some recent knowledgeable speculation that some viruses can naturally arise from within a host's cells own existant DNA. Some of what used to be called "junk DNA" has been matched with other organisms. Bacteria have also been observed "hiding" their DNA within the DNA of the host they have infected. Dissimilar bacteria have even been observed conjugating, sharing DNA between species.

Gene therapy is based on just this sort of hiding process. Viruses are engineered to inject new genes into the subject's DNA to repair, negate, or override existing genes that are defective. I should also note, though, that despite a huge amount of research, gene therapy has yet to successfully treat any disease in humans.

But, yeah, you nailed the message you were responding to. New age, crystal-toting, mantra-chanting, detox-footpad-wearing mumbo-jumbo has never cured anything physical either.

Why do people need to make this stuff up when the real, observable world is so full of wonder? The hand of God working through the natural laws is truly magnificent.

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Then there are the viruses that are said to come from flukes....

Heliobacti Pylori is a fluke/bacteria... said to cause ulcers that can mutate into cancer.....

http://www.hpylori.com.au/

http://www.concretebob.com/ib/

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/drclarknetw...and_fever2.html

http://www.earthtym.net/ref-fluke-info.htm

Then there's those who say that all life... matter is vibrational light....

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mysteries/w...this/light.html

Is Light A Wave Or Corpuscle?

Much controversy has arisen as to whether light is corpuscular, as Newton claimed it to be, or waves. There is much evidence in favor of both theories. It is both. Light is expressed by motion. All motion is wave motion. All waves are expressed by fields of equal and opposite pressures of two-way motion. The entire volume within wave fields is filled with the two opposite expressions of motion - the positive expression that compresses light into solids, and the negative expression that expands it into space surrounding solids.

All space within wave fields is curved. Curvature ends at planes of zero curvature that bound all wave fields. These boundary planes of omnipresent magnetic Light act as mirrors to reflect all curvature into all other wave fields in the universe, and as fulcrums from which motion in one wave field is universally repeated.

All Matter Is Wave Motion

Together these constitute what we call matter and space. It has been difficult to conceive light as being purely corpuscular, for light is presumed to fill all space. Space is not empty. It is full of wave motion. Corpuscles of matter are one half of wave cycles of light. Space is the other half.

There need be no mystery as to whether light is corpuscular or wave, for waves of motion which simulate the light and darkness of space is all there is.

The light and motion of solid matter, and of gaseous matter of space, differs only in volume and condition. Water of earth is compressed into small volume while water of the heavens is expanded thou sands of time in volume. Each condition is the opposite half of the cycle of water.

Water vapor is water turned inside out. It again becomes water by turning outside in. Expansion- contraction sequences result from this process.

All Matter Is Simulated Light

Water of the heavens still is water, and it still is light waves. No change whatsoever has taken place between the waters of earth and those of the heavens except a change of its condition from positive to negative preponderance. This change is due solely to a change of its direction in respect to its center of gravity.

All dense cold matter, such as iron, stone, wood, and all growing or decaying things, are light. We do not think of them as light but all are waves of motion, and all waves of motion are light.

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:yes: I came across this old thread trying to look up my exploration on H Pylori . Found this exploration interesting ( remembering how the ancient Shamans worked via Dream time to heal the sick) ... Also noting the various observations and links between Night terrors and disturbing dreams before and during illnesses. How many illnesses, viruses... fevers seem to get worse towards the evening. How now the medical world has found the benefit of using electricity to zap out tumours , ( new research pioneered in Australia where for example the surgeons use four electronic needles at once to completely destroy prostate cancers and the patients can happily limp away from the surgery a few hours later free of disease) they use weak electricity charges to heal Lime Disease, some glandular fevers.. Chronic Fatigue . Some potential corroborating evidence to explore further. I think the original literature I quoted from has since become published... http://www.pyroenergen.com/causes.htm ( it looks like something from Ghost Busters) Then there is parallel research with Dr, Hulda Clark on her fluke Zappers. http://www.drclark.net/ and Dr Holt's Radio Wave Cancer Cure...

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There is this... The EMF radiation concerns http://www.best-emf-health.com/dangers-of-electromagnetic-radiation.html and http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_virus03.htm

A CURE FOR CANCER?

Rife became obsessed with the idea of curing cancer. He found from his experiments that cancerous tumors in animals shrank and even disappeared at certain frequencies.

But his observations showed that the tumor cells did not explode like the bacteria. Something was killing the tumor cells, but in a different way.

He then turned his attention to viruses. At that time little was known about viruses. The word virus itself is derived from one of their properties, "filter passing". A virus by definition was some infective agent that was so small that it could pass through a filter that would block bacteria and other pathogens.

After thousands of further experiments. Rife finally announced that he had isolated the 'filter passing form" of an infective agent that would reliably induce cancer in any animal it was injected into. His conclusion was simple: cancer is caused by a virus and the machine could destroy viruses as effectively as bacteria, ergo, he could cure cancer.

At this point it is worm mentioning that although Rife isolated the cancer pathogen, mere were other researchers in the 1920s, notably Thomas Glover and M. J. Scott who had also done so, and probably earlier man Rife - although Rife was probably the first to actually see the agent with his super microscopes.

In the light of this revelation the tumor cell results became clear.

The machine did not directly kill tumor cells. It killed the virus that was infecting the tumor cell, and when the virus died it decomposed into a mixture of chemical poisons that effectively poisoned and killed the host cell.

The dead tumor cells were subsequently reabsorbed and digested by the host animal's immune system.

and lots more of interest ...

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"Electrical Pulse treatment pokes tiny holes to kill cancer " http://www.kurzweilai.net/electrical-pulse-treatment-pokes-holes-to-treat-tumors ...

“Irreversible electroporation (or IRE) is a new way to attack cancer, using microsecond electrical pulses to kill cancer at the cellular level without damaging healthy tissue nearby.

It may be especially beneficial in treating liver, lung, pancreatic and other cancers that are close to blood vessels, nerves and other sensitive structures,” said Constantinos T. Sofocleous, M.D., Ph.D., FSIR, lead author and interventional radiologist at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, N.Y.

and the scientific evidence of the discovery of the 5th Dimension ... http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/henryk-frystacki-phd/discovery-of-the-fifth-dimension_b_2858709.html

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And discussions regarding that for the String Theory to work... there has to be 10 dimensions !!!! http://mkaku.org/home/articles/blackholes-wormholes-and-the-tenth-dimension/ ..

In some sense, previous attempts at unifying the forces of nature failed because a standard four dimensional theory is “too small” to jam all the forces into one mathematical framework. To visualize higher dimensions, consider a Japanese tea garden, where carp spend their entire lives swimming on the bottom of a shallow pond. The carp are only vaguely aware of a world beyond the surface. To a carp “scientist,” the universe only consists of two dimensions, length and width. There is no such thing as “height.” In fact, they are incapable of imagining a third dimension beyond the pond. The word “up” has no meaning for them. (Imagine their distress if we were to suddenly lift them out of their two dimensional universe into “hyperspace,” i.e. our world!) However, if it rains, then the surface of their pond becomes rippled. Although the third dimension is beyond their comprehension, they can clearly see the waves traveling on the pond’s surface. Likewise, although we earthlings cannot “see” these higher dimensions, we can see their ripples when they vibrate. According to this theory, “light” is nothing but vibrations rippling along the 5th dimension. By adding higher dimensions, we can easily accommodate more and more forces, including the nuclear forces. In a nutshell: the more dimensions we have, the more forces we can accommodate. One persistent criticism of this theory, however, is that we do not see these higher dimensions in the laboratory. At present, every event in the universe, from the tiniest sub-atomic decay to exploding galaxies, can be described by 4 numbers (length, width, depth, and time), not 10 numbers. To answer this criticism, many physicists believe (but cannot yet prove) that the universe at the instant of the Big Bang was in fact fully 10 dimensional. Only after the instant of creation did 6 of the 10 dimensions “curled up” into a ball too tiny to observe. In a real sense, this theory is really a theory of creation, when the full power of 10 dimensional space-time was manifest

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Let's not forget, viruses, bacteria, and fungi live within our bodies. We are more of these things on a cellular level than we are human. Like everything else in the universe, it's all about balance. Here is just an excerpt from an article in Discover magazine that restates what I'm saying:

LaTuga is one of several medical researchers at Duke working with microbial ecologists to study the development of the human microbiome—the enormous population of microbes, including bacteria, fungi, and viruses, that live in the human body, predominantly in the gut. There are 20 times as many of these microbes as there are cells in the body, up to 200 trillion in an adult, and each of us hosts at least 1,000 different species. Seen through the prism of the microbiome, a person is not so much an individual human body as a superorganism made up of diverse ecosystems, each teeming with microscopic creatures that are essential to our well-being.

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All the above... coupled with the combined insights of ancient, eastern, shamanistic that has now been explored expanded to the more contemporary understandings of energy fields and mind.. body.. spirit connections to healing.. perceptive reality.. Socio- experiential perceptions, understandings and consequent expectations and experiences of reality .. the acceptances of these variables leading to a greater tailored individuations of understandings health and wellbeing. No one size.. one reality.. one generalized.. customized , one being.. fits all... ( hence my earlier concerns of vaccines.. one fit for all.. same with the applications of medicine and other various treatments.. even though we know biochemically each individual is unique).

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Let's not forget, viruses, bacteria, and fungi live within our bodies. We are more of these things on a cellular level than we are human. Like everything else in the universe, it's all about balance. Here is just an excerpt from an article in Discover magazine that restates what I'm saying:

LaTuga is one of several medical researchers at Duke working with microbial ecologists to study the development of the human microbiome—the enormous population of microbes, including bacteria, fungi, and viruses, that live in the human body, predominantly in the gut. There are 20 times as many of these microbes as there are cells in the body, up to 200 trillion in an adult, and each of us hosts at least 1,000 different species. Seen through the prism of the microbiome, a person is not so much an individual human body as a superorganism made up of diverse ecosystems, each teeming with microscopic creatures that are essential to our well-being.

Yes... some aren't sure if it is all the microbes. fungi .. bacteria running us in multi symbiotic relationships .. we being .. rather than Artificial Intelligences.. but emotional.. bio chemically functioning beings.. at the mercy of our intestinal.. internal populations of bacteria.. fungi... micro organisms ( we know how internal fungi .. bacteria and the judicious application of beneficial probiotics can affect moods.. thoughts... actions... ) http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/microbiota Edited by crystal sage

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