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1. Please provide evidence for the cherimoya seed being in India and how it was dated to 3500ya. I've eaten that fruit.

http://www.stephen-k...dic_history.htm

2. Please provide evidence for "Pennsylvania University found 10.000 years old American corn's pollen in India

http://www.sciencema.../145/3633/659.2

need to find my link about PA

3. Please provide evidence that the people in the Andes could melt rock

it is in chrome, need to find it

it is a picture of two rocks welded together, they were joined with a 1 inch slag,

there is a tiwanakuan wall that was patched with other kind of rock,

4. Please explain what you mean when you refer to the Deluge as in "sailed to other parts of the world previous to the flood" or "before the great flood."

The there was not a global flood, the 'Great' flood happened in the highlands of the central Andes. their oral traditions says that water rose from the ground and flooded the area, There ruins of a city inside lake titikaka, roads walls, in the area of Pampa Aullagas there are rocks with straight cuts and painted imbedded into ancient sentiment. Tiwanaku was destroyed by water and mean a lot of water.

1. That link does not support your claim. It does not mention a 3500 year old seed.

2. That link is a discussion of the possibility of pre-Columbian corn in the Old World which is disputed. The evidence is poor at best. There is no mention of India.

3. A photo? Please show that the rocks were melted.

4. So your flood is a local event.

Parts 1, 2, and 3 are all without evidence. Nothing you linked to supports your claims.

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What are your terms to support any migration of ancient americans to Asia, if your in these forum you might have an open mind.

An open mind does not mean accepting any fairy tossed out for consideration. An open mind is one which examines the evidence to make a decision. In this case there are stories about 3500 year old seeds and no evidence to support that claim. Linking to a Hindu version of a creationist site is rather meaningless especially when it does not cover the issue. The same is true of the corn claims.

A typical fringie plan is to use old data. Consider the 1964 letter. Is that really the most recent discussion available? What happened to the claims about corn impressions in Nigerian pottery? Was that shown to be right or wrong? Are the claims of Negroes in the Americas made in that letter right or wrong? What was the follow up in the last 50 years? The fringies would like you to think that just because it is published it must be true. Not at all. It simply means that an issue has been worked out to the point that it is worth discussing.

As far as your rock being melted goes remember that polished, smoothed, oiled, etc. are not evidence of melting. Melting would recrystallize the rock. Be sure to show that the rock has been recrystallized.

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is this called a welding slag?

if it is, two different rocks, different color were join together with a inch slag.

the tiwanaku wall was already smooth, apparently the wall need repair and filled the hole with a different rock,

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I don't bother looking at you tube especially when it is not properly introduced.

The maize site you linked to was not introduced either but sits in the archives under the outlier section. The claims are not considered established, but rather possibly interesting and unproved ideas. The article points out that the claims of maize are not that good and the objects int he photographs could be anything from an imaginary fruit to cintron.

Despite Gupta’s confirmation of maize in the Hoysala sculptures Johannessen and Parker discuss, she argues that the similar but distinctly squatter objects that appear in earlier sculptures are not maize but rather Citron (Citrus medica var. Limonum of Watt.) or Lemon (Citrus limon [Linn.]), both Old World plants (p. 53). Perhaps so, but it is noteworthy that the "citron" she says is held by a Yaksha in an 8th century A.D. sculpture from Aihole has kernels aligned in maize-like rows. A citron looks like a large lemon with a deeply puckered skin, but the puckering is random, and does not simulate maize kernels as in her very clear photograph.

So it appears that the story of the 3500 year old cherimoya fruit is missing all evidence as is the 10,000 year old corn pollen in India.

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is this called a welding slag?

if it is, two different rocks, different color were join together with a inch slag.

the tiwanaku wall was already smooth, apparently the wall need repair and filled the hole with a different rock,

That is a photo of example welds on a metal plate.

It seems that all of your claims are falsehoods.

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I have a question ... why must it be people from the Americas who made it to India and exported stuff like surnames and fruit and not people from India who travelled to the Americas and found some fruit and the like and imported them to India?

Because although you do see things like the British Empire exporting foxes and rabbits to their colonies (so they have things to hunt) you more often see things from the colonies being brought home - so if there's interesting things in India, surely that's evidence of INDIA doing the exploring?

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What are your terms to support any migration of ancient americans to Asia, if your in these forum you might have an open mind.

Speaking for myself, a paper or papers researched and written by legitimate, respected, and vetted professional historians—whose research has been analyzed and peer-reviewed by historians of similar or superior experience, and agreed to be valid and contributive findings.

I've spent more than a quarter of a century reading and studying such research, and I am aware of no professional, respected, published historian who would agree with your theme.

But I tend to be very picky. I think, perhaps, more people should be in these matters.

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Mar 16, 2008 11:26 pm (PDT)

Anil K. Pokharia

Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeobotany, 53, University Road,

Lucknow 226 007, India

Investigation of botanical remains from an ancient site, Tokwa at the confluence of Belan and Adwa rivers, Mirzapur District, Uttar Pradesh (UP), has brought to light the agriculture- based subsistence economy during the Neolithic culture (3rd-2nd millennium BC). They subsisted on cereals, viz. Oryza sativa, Triticum aestivum and Hordeum vulgare, supplemented by leguminous seeds of Lens culinaris, Pisum arvense and Vigna radiata.

Evidence of oil-yielding crops has been documented by recovery of seeds of Linum usitatissimum and Brassica juncea. Fortuitously, an important find among the botanical remains is the seeds of South American custard apple, regarded to have been introduced by the Portuguese in the 16th century. The remains of custard apple as fruit coat and seeds have also been recorded from other sites in the Indian archaeological context, during the Kushana Period (AD 100-300) in Punjab and Early Iron Age (1300-700 BC) in UP. The factual remains of custard apple, along with other stray finds discussed in the text, favour a group of specialists, supporting with diverse arguments, the reasoning of Asian€ ¦’¶American contacts, before the discovery of America by Columbus in 1498. Further, a few weeds have turned up as an admixture in the crop remains."

Full article at: http://www.ias. ac.in/currsci/ jan252008/ 248.pdf

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A Tiwanaku stela's "monolito fraile" have its right hand fingers are backwards; like other statues found in india and Egypt.

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Mar 16, 2008 11:26 pm (PDT)

Anil K. Pokharia

Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeobotany, 53, University Road,

Lucknow 226 007, India

Investigation of botanical remains from an ancient site, Tokwa at the confluence of Belan and Adwa rivers, Mirzapur District, Uttar Pradesh (UP), has brought to light the agriculture- based subsistence economy during the Neolithic culture (3rd-2nd millennium BC). They subsisted on cereals, viz. Oryza sativa, Triticum aestivum and Hordeum vulgare, supplemented by leguminous seeds of Lens culinaris, Pisum arvense and Vigna radiata.

Evidence of oil-yielding crops has been documented by recovery of seeds of Linum usitatissimum and Brassica juncea. Fortuitously, an important find among the botanical remains is the seeds of South American custard apple, regarded to have been introduced by the Portuguese in the 16th century. The remains of custard apple as fruit coat and seeds have also been recorded from other sites in the Indian archaeological context, during the Kushana Period (AD 100-300) in Punjab and Early Iron Age (1300-700 BC) in UP. The factual remains of custard apple, along with other stray finds discussed in the text, favour a group of specialists, supporting with diverse arguments, the reasoning of Asian€ ¦'¶American contacts, before the discovery of America by Columbus in 1498. Further, a few weeds have turned up as an admixture in the crop remains."

Full article at: http://www.ias. ac.in/currsci/ jan252008/ 248.pdf

Your link to the Research Communication should be

http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_094_02_0248_0255_0.pdf

The article does mention that there might be problems with dates due to what appears to be mixing of materials.

On page 253 is a discussion of the custard apple find, the cherimoya. It does mention that the find is disputed and uses as evidence the same articles mentioned in other places. That includes references to maize which is specifically impressions in pots and sculptures which have also been identified as citrons. The article has no evidence for the custard apple as being in India at an earlier date but mentions that there are other plants that might have been there.

The question here is whether or not the seed is old or recent. There was mixing of materials as stated in the article. Did that mixing produce a date mistake in the date for this seed?

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Thank you for that link. That covers question 1. What about issues 2 to 5?

1. Please provide evidence for the cherimoya seed being in India and how it was dated to 3500ya.

2. Please provide evidence for "Pennsylvania University found 10.000 years old American corn's pollen in India."

3. Please provide evidence that the people in the Andes could melt rock

4. Please explain what you mean when you refer to the Deluge as in "sailed to other parts of the world previous to the flood" or "before the great flood."

5. Please provide evidence that the warka vase shows corn plants

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A Tiwanaku stela's "monolito fraile" have its right hand fingers are backwards; like other statues found in india and Egypt.

Are you sure it's "backwards" and not just "facing away from the viewer"?

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15 hours ago, mstower said:

Can I just say (as this is where I found it) that the search is broken?

Yes it has been for some time not sure what is being done about it thou!

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